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WOULD, PLEASE, SILENCE YOUR CELLPHONES AND OTHER DEVICES AT THIS TIME. I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER ON OCTOBER 2, 2025, FOR THE MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF CARROLLTON. THIS COMMISSION CONSISTS OF NINE MEMBERS, TWO OF WHOM ARE ABSENT, VICE CHAIR KRAMER AND COMMISSIONER YARBROUGH. THIS COMMISSION HAS FINAL AUTHORITY ON CERTAIN ITEMS AND AN ADVISORY ROLE ON OTHERS. IN THE CASE OF ADVISORY ITEMS, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IF THE APPLICANT MAKES A REQUEST ACCORDING TO CITY ORDINANCE. -- POSTED AGENDA, COPIES OF WHICH ARE IN THE LOBBY OUTSIDE THESE CHAMBERS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS RESTRICTED FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. APPROVAL OF A SUBDIVISION PLAT OR REPLAT IS REQUIRED BY LAW IF THE PLAT MEETS ALL STATE LAWS AND THE CITY OF CARROLLTON'S ORDINANCES. A PLAT IS DEEMED APPROVED BY OPERATION OF LAW IF NO APPLICATION TO APPROVE OR DENY IS TAKEN WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER A PLAT MEETING ALL REQUIREMENTS IS FILED. THE PUBLIC MAY COMMENT ON ALL ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA FOR PLANNING AND ZONING CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. IF YOU WISH TO COMMENT ON ANY AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE COMPLETE AN APPEARANCE CARD LOCATED ON THE ENTRANCE TO THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA UNDER THE HEADING PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY BEGINNING WITH THE CASE PRESENTATION. AFTER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION OF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, THE COMMISSION WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INDIVIDUALS TO SPEAK ON THE CASE. WHEN IT IS YOUR TIME TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. MAKE YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION. WHEN EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE OR HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THE APPLICANT WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A BRIEF CLOSING COMMENT. AT THAT TIME, THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY ON THAT ITEM. THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTIONS OF THE CASES CONSIDERED TONIGHT ARE TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE HEARD BY THE COMMISSION. IT IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY OR ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. AFTER THE CASE PRESENTATION AND PUBLIC TESTIMONY PERIOD IS COMPLETED, THE COMMISSION WILL CONDUCT ANY DISCUSSION AND ACTION AS APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS TO HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE TWO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, ONE AND TWO, WHICH IS OUR SEPTEMBER 4TH MEETING MINUTES AND CASE NUMBER PLRP 2025-144 AER MANUFACTURING ADDITION, LOT 1R, BLOCK A. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH COMMENTS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT? I
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DON'T SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD. ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS OR WOULD LIKE TO PULL AN ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OR MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME? YES, COMMISSIONER,FIRST VICE CHAIR FOSTER . >> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE, THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 4, 2025 MEETING, AND THEN CASE NUMBER PLRP 2025-144.
>> TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING. YES, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER HERMON.
>> ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL ITEM OR DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE? NOW LET'S START THE VOTE. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WITH VICE CHAIR KRAMER AND
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COMMISSIONER YARBROUGH BEING ABSENT. OKAY, I WAS HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM GETTING IT TO REGISTER. SO FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER OVERHOLT DID VOTE YES, IT JUST DIDN'T REGISTER ON[PUBLIC HEARING]
THE MACHINE. SO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEM IS NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING TO ESTABLISH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW AN AMUSEMENT ARCADE, EXCLUDING ADULT ARCADE, LOCATE AT 2760 EAST TRINITY MILLS ROAD, SUITE 120 AND ZONED FOR THE LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ACCORDINGLY.THIS IS CASE NUMBER PL SUP 2025-151 CLAW UP ARCADE AND OUR CASE COORDINATOR TONIGHT IS MR. SHAD RHOTEN.
>> SHAD RHOTEN WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. LET ME FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPERATE THIS. SO THE -- JUST TO ORIENT YOU, THE PROPERTY IS DELINEATED IN WHITE. TRINITY MILLS IS TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND MARSH LANE IS TO THE EAST. THIS IS A MULTICENTER PROPERTY CENTER. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED LR2 OR LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT. AN SUP IS REQUIRED FOR THE AMUSEMENT ARCADE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE HERE TONIGHT. THE TENANT SUITE IS 120. I HAVE A SITE PLAN SHOWING ROUGHLY WHERE THAT'S LOCATED IN THE BUILDING. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SUITE MARKED IN GREEN. AND THEN HERE'S THE FLOOR PLAN, EXCUSE ME, OF THE ACTUAL SUITE. SO THE ARCADE WILL FEATURE 15 -- OR 15 SINGLE-PLAYER GAMES AND THEN ONE MACHINE THAT WILL ALLOW FOR FOUR PLAYERS, SO A TOTAL OF 19 MACHINES WITH A POSSIBILITY OF MACHINES IN THE FUTURE. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A KIND OF GENERAL LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY. WE DID RECEIVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS, WHICH YOU HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR REPORT. ONE, I BELIEVE, IN OPPOSITION. I THINK FOR THE MOST PART THAT COVERS EVERYTHING. WE IN OUR ANALYSIS FEEL THAT THIS IS A COMPATIBLE USE SUITABLE FOR THIS LOCATION WITH STIPULATIONS AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE NOTATED IN YOUR REPORT. AND I BELIEVE THAT COVERS EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.
>> YES, COMMISSIONER OVERHOLT? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I KIND OF AGREE WITH SOME OF THESE PUBLIC COMMENTS. I WONDERED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST. WE'VE APPROVED A LOT OF THESE, AND HAS THERE BEEN ANY EXPERIENCE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF WHERE THIS WOULD ROLL OVER TO WHERE A MORE ADULT GAMES TAKES PLACE?
>> SO THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT LINE ITEM USE IN THE ZONED OR SANS. SO IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE CO IF IT DID MIGRATE THAT. AND HENCE A CODE ISSUE. I'M NOT AWARE, CERTAINLY, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE BEING AS NEW AS I AM. FIVE YEARS AGO, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S BEEN EIGHT OF THESE APPROVED, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CHANGES OR MIGRATION OF THOSE USES TO SOMETHING ELSE.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. RHODEN AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, MR.
>> THE APPLICANTS HERE TONIGHT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND DO SO AT THIS TIME. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONER. I AM THE OWNER OF CLAW LOCATED AT 2760 EAST TRINITY MILLS ROAD 120 CARROLLTON, TEXAS, 75006. IT'S A FAMILY-FRIENDLY CLAW MACHINE ARCADE. OUR MACHINE WILL HAVE LIKE PLUSH TOYS AND ANIMAL THEMES INSIDE THE MACHINE. IT'S MOSTLY FOR KIDS AND IT'S PRETTY SAFE. IN ADDITION, WE WILL ALSO HAVE A SMALL VIP CONSOLE GAME ROOM FOR KIDS. IT ACTS LIKE A WAITING ROOM. WE ONLY OFFER LIKE
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KID-FRIENDLY GAMES LIKE MARIO CART, BOARD GAMES, XBOX GAMES.WE WILL NOT SERVE ANY FOOD OR ALCOHOL AT ALL. AND THEN THE BUSINESS WILL BE MONITORED AT ALL TIMES WITH STAFF ON SITE AND SECURITY CAMERAS IN PLACE. I HAVE ALSO REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT AND UNDERSTAND THE STIPULATIONS. I AM FULLY PREPARED TO COMPLY WITH ALL RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATIONS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. >> YES, COMMISSIONER MARTIN?
>> THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT AGES ARE THESE CLAW MACHINES GEARED TOWARD? WHAT'S THE AGES OF YOUR
CLIENTELE YOU'RE LOOKING AT? >> IT CAN BE, LIKE, KIDS, 6 YEARS OLD, TO YOUNG ADULTS, 20S, 30S, YEAH. IT'S MORE LIKE A SKU-BASED GAME. YOU CLICK THE BUTTON AND GRAB IS ALL.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> YES, COMMISSIONER DOYLE?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO YOU HAPPEN TO OWN ANY OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT WE'VE APPROVED HERE IN TOWN.
>> NO. I'VE BEEN TO ALL THOSE LOCATIONS, BUT I DON'T OWN ANY
OF THEM. >> NOT GOOD BAD OR INDIFFERENT, JUST WONDERING IF YOU'RE EXPANDING OR A NEW BUSINESS.
OKAY, VERY GOOD, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR? YES, COMMISSIONER MARTIN.
>> I'M SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT VENUES OR VENDORS THAT ARE IN THE AREA, YOU SAID THIS IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY OPERATION. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE AROUND THIS CLAW?
>> YES. I KNOW THERE'S, LIKE, A CANNABIS STORE RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND THEN THE HOOKAH LOUNGE, BUT RIGHT NEXT TO MY SUITE IS A MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOL THAT HAS A LOT OF KIDS. THAT'S WHAT I'M TARGETING. AND THEN I OPEN PRETTY EARLY, LIKE AROUND NOON, LIKE 11:30, AND THEN I CLOSE AT 9:00. MAYBE CLOSE EARLIER THAN THAT TO AVOID A CROWD AT THE LATE NIGHT.
>> THANK YOU. >> AGAIN, ARE THERE ANY OTHER FINAL QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT?
NO? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.
>> SO AS NOTED, THERE WAS TWO PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BEFORE THE MEETING. THEY'RE BOTH FROM THE SAME ADDRESS, SO THEY DO COUNT AS ONE. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE COMMENTS OR THEIR OPINION KNOWN FOR THIS CASE, YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND DO SO AT THIS TIME. I DO NOT SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD. THE APPLICANTS, YOU'RE AFFORDED TO MAKE A CLOSING REMARK IF YOU'D LIKE TO. OR IF YOU'RE GOOD, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. DOES ANYONE HAVE FINAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF OR WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION CONCERNING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE AT THIS TIME. YES,
COMMISSIONER DOYLE? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE PLRP -- OH, EXCUSE ME, ON 2025-151, THE CLAW UP ARCADE, AND VOTE TO APPROVE IT WITH
STAFF STIPULATIONS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER
DOYLE. YES, COMMISSIONER MARTIN. >> I SECOND THAT.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MARTIN. SO THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER DOYLE AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MARTIN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE CASE PLSUP 2025-151 CLAW UP ARCADE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, WE WILL MOVE TO A VOTE.
LET'S MOVE TO A VOTE. SO THE MOTION PASSES WITH FIRST VICE CHAIR FOSTER VOTING AGAINST AND WITH THE TWO COMMISSIONERS YARBROUGH AND VICE CHAIR KRAMER BEING ABSENT. SO THE MOTION WAS -- AND DID PASS, SO THE CASE IS GOING TO BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 14, 2025. SO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEM IS NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING TO ESTABLISH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW
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ATHLETIC -- TO ALLOW LIGHTED ATHLETIC FIELDS ON OUR APPROXIMATELY 4.86-ACRE TRACT ZONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND LOCATED AT 3000 BELMEADE DRIVE. IT'S AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ACCORDINGLY. THIS IS CASE NUMBER PLSUP 2025-119, DALLAS PADEL CLUB LIGHTING. AND OUR CASE COORDINATOR IS MR. MICHAEL MCCAULEY.>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, GOOD EVENING. MICHAEL MCCAULEY, PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE APPLICANT PLANS TO REMODEL THE EXISTING SPORTS FACILITY AND OPERATE A PADDLE CLUB WITH OUTDOOR PADDLE COURTS. IT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. THE REQUEST FOR THE SUP -- THERE'S SEVEN PADEL COURTS FOR THIS SITE. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN FOR REVIEW AS RELATES TO THE ORDINANCE, AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH THAT ORDINANCE.
THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES WITH NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES NEARBY. FURTHER, STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THIS REQUEST, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATIONS OUTLINED IN YOUR REPORT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME, AND THE APPLICANT'S HERE AS WELL SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
>> I DON'T SEE ANY COMMISSIONERS REQUESTING TO ASK.
THANK YOU, MR. MCCAULEY. IF THE APPLICANT'S HERE TONIGHT AND WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> GOOD EVENING, FERNANDO, 3000 BELMEADE CARROLLTON, 75006. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GET APPROVAL FOR OUR SUP FOR OUR LIGHTING BASED ON WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN IN THE STIPULATIONS, OUR LIGHTS WILL BE IN REGULATION. THAT'S ALL. IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS. SORRY. >> COMMISSIONERS, ARE FROM ANY
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> YES, COMMISSIONER FOSTER?
>> YES, THANK YOU. I HAVE A BASIC QUESTION. WHAT IS THIS GAME? I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE.
>> SO IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION OF TENNIS AND SQUASH, AND SO THE COURT THAT YOU SEE UP THERE, IT'S A TENNIS COURT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER INSIDE GLASS WALLS WITH FENCE. SO THE BALL STAYS LIVE KIND OF LIKE IN A RACKETBALL OR SQUASH SETTING, BUT YOU PLAY ACROSS THE NET IN A TENNIS
SCORING SETTING. >> WHAT KIND OF RACKET DO YOU
USE? >> ABOUT 20 INCHES, ABOUT AS
HEAVY AS A TENNIS RACKET. >> THANK YOU.
>> IT'S KIND OF LIKE PICKLEBALL, BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD PLAYED THIS INSTEAD OF PICKLEBALL, SO IT'S NOT MAKING
IT TO THE STATES. >> WELL, I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING HERE IS USTA, I ASSUME U.S. TENNIS ASSOCIATION, SO THAT GOES ALONG WITH THEIR STANDARDS AS FAR AS LIGHTING AND USING A
TENNIS COURT BASICALLY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND THIS IS A PADEL COURT BUILT IN ORLANDO AT THE USTA NATIONAL CAMPUS. AND THIS IS THE SAME PADEL COURT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BRINGING
>> THANK YOU. >> YES, COMMISSIONER DOYLE?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. ARE THERE ANY OTHER FACILITIES OF OF
THIS TYPE IN THE METROPLEX? >> THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER CLUBS THAT HAVE PADEL COURTS, BUT NOT TOO MANY. T BAR WAS THE FIRST IN DALLAS. THEY STILL HAVE COURTS TODAY.
>> EXCELLENT. AND WILL THERE BE -- THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE IS QUITE EXTENSIVE, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY USE OF THE BUILD
SOMETHING. >> YEAH, WE HAVE THREE PADEL COURTS INSIDE RIGHT NOW IN OPERATION.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE COMMENTS OR THEIR OPINION KNOWN FOR THIS CASE MAY COME FORWARD AND DO SO AT THIS TIME. I DO NOT
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SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD. DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY FINAL QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION CONCERNING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR? YES, COMMISSIONER HERMON.>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE CASE NUMBER PLSUP 2025-119, DALLAS PADEL CLUB LIGHTING WITH STIPULATIONS.
>> THANK YOU. YES COMMISSIONER FOSER?
>> I SECOND THAT. >> THANK YOU. A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER HERMON AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER FOSTER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE CASE NUMBER PLSUP 2025-119 DALLAS PADEL CLUB LIGHTING. IS THERE ANY FINAL DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE? IF NOT, THEN LET'S MOVE TO A VOTE. SO THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WITH VICE CHAIR KRAMER AND COMMISSIONER YARBROUGH BEING ABSENT. THE CASE WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL, MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 14, 2025. THANK YOU. SO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEM IS NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING TO ESTABLISH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW AN ALL OTHER AMUSEMENT AND RECREATION USES AND ACTIVITIES LOCATED AT 2661 MIDWAY ROAD SUITE 110 AND ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ACCORDINGLY.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER PLSUP 2025-150, CODED LOUNGE CAFE, AND OUR CASE COORDINATOR IS MR. MICHAEL MCCAULEY.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE APPLICANT PLANS TO OPERATE A LOUNGE AND NEEDS A USE ALLOWED IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. THE SUITE IS ONE OF MANY SUITES IN THIS MULTITENANT BUILDING WHICH IS LOCATED IN A SHOPPING CENTER AND IS RIGHT NOW RIGHT NEXT TO A PIZZA OR A LIMITED SERVICE RESTAURANT, TC'S PIZZA, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE IS -- IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATIONS FOR A BAR AND GRILL. FURTHER, THE SHOPPING CENTER IS NOT NEXT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL USES, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS AERIAL PHOTO. STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE REQUEST, AND HERE'S THE SITE PLAN ITSELF.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT LARGE BOX THERE USED TO BE A MOVIE THEATER. THINK IT MIGHT STILL BE NEESHS VENETIA N THEATER. I SHOULDN'T TRUST MY MEMORY. THIS IS STIPULATIONS OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME. AND THE APPLICANT'S HERE AS WELL SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
>> YES , COMMISSIONER FOSTER. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WHAT WAS THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS?
>> PARDON ME? >> WHAT WAS THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS THAT WAS IN THIS LOCATION?
>> THIS SUITE WAS CREATED FROM THE SUITE NEXT DOOR, AND THEY JUST BISECTED IT AND CREATED THIS ADDITIONAL SUITE. AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE RENOVATION FOR HIS OTHER
RESTAURANT ON ITS SIDE. >> THE CHOP SHOP?
>> PARDON ME? >> IS THAT THE OTHER RESTAURANT?
>> YES. >> OKAY. I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT ANY POLICE CALLS IN THAT GENERAL AREA. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER AREA.
>> WHEN STAFF REVIEWED WITH POLICE, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REGARDING THIS SUITE.
>> YEAH, REGARDING THIS SUITE, BUT WHAT ABOUT AS FAR AS OTHER
-- >> BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONER, YOU NEED TO STICK TO THE QUESTIONS PERT INNOCENT TO THE SUP AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU CAN'T APPLY IT TO THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
>> I THINK IT IS RELEVANT. I THINK IT IS RELEVANT TO KNOW AS FAR AS THIS WHOLE SUITE OF BUILDINGS. I DISAGREE. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW AS FAR AS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, BECAUSE THE ACTIVITY
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DOESN'T STAY INSIDE THE PROPERTY. IT WILL GO OUTSIDEINTO THE PARKING LOT. >> THE INFORMATION YOU CAN CONSIDER TONIGHT IS INFORMATION RELATIVE TO THIS APPLICANT. SO IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD CONCERNS REGARDING THIS APPLICANT AND THIS USE OF THIS LOCATION, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE, THEY WOULD HAVE PROVIDED INFORMATION TO MR. MCCAULEY, BUT SINCE THAT INFORMATION ISN'T AVAILABLE, ANY CRIME RELATED TO OTHER USES AREN'T RELATED TO THIS USE, AND THAT WOULD BE
INAPPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER. >> I'M DONE ASKING. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME? MR. OVERHOLT, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR DID YOU PUT -- YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIT
YOUR MIC BECAUSE IT WENT OFF. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. SO WHAT IT SAYS HERE IS THAT YOU ARE APPLYING FOR A LOUNGE CAFE,
>> AND CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT THAT IS FOR ME?
>> IT'S A -- FROM OUR ARTICLE FIVE IN OUR COMPETENT ZONING ORDINANCE, WE CLASSIFY IT AS A LOUNGE BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN THIS FACILITY. THE OWNER OR THE TENANT WILL HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT HE WILL BE MANAGING AND OPERATING OUT THERE, LIKE AN EVENT CENTER OR RECEPTION HALL WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE LEASE A SPOT FOR A PARTICULAR EVENT. THE TENANT HIMSELF WILL BE PROVIDING THESE SPECIAL EVENTS THERE AND AS WELL PROVIDING MEALS AND ALSO NONALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. THAT'S WHY WE GAVE IT THAT CLASSIFICATION. IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF LOUNGE YOU TYPICALLY WOULD SEE, LIKE PART OF A HOTEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THEY SERVE ALCOHOL.
>> IS THIS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? >> IT IS TO SOME EXTENT, BUT THE EVENTS MAY BE CHARGED. BUT THE APPLICANT'S HERE WHO COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION MORE SPECIFICALLY THAN I CAN.
>> I GUESS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS BEING OPEN UNTIL 4:00 IN THE
MORNING. >> WELL, WE STIPULATED THAT 2:00
P.M. ON PART OF IT. >> 2:00 A.M.
>> RIGHT, IT'S -- WE'RE PROPOSING NOT TO EXCEED 2:00 A.M. AS FAR AS OPERATING HOURS.
>> I'M SORRY. >> STIPULATION FIVE SAYS ON
SUNDAYS UNTIL 4:00 A.M. >> THAT'S IN THEIR NARRATIVE.
YOU'RE CORRECT. >> BUT WHAT ARE WE APPROVING?
>> WE'RE STIPULATING ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THEY SHALL NOT
>> THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'D CONSIDER AS PART OF YOUR
MOTION. >> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR
NOW. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER OVERHOLT. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? YES, COMMISSIONER MARTIN?
>> MIKE, IN YOUR NARRATIVE JUST THEN, I DIDN'T THINK THAT THIS WAS A -- AN EVENT-TYPE -- WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO THROW EVENTS IN THIS LOUNGE.
>> HE CAN PROVIDE -- THE REQUEST IS TO -- FOR THEM TO USE OR HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE EVENTS, YES. THE ANSWER IS YES.
>> AND HE'S -- HE'S TURNING THAT OVER TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO EVENTS. OH, I GUESS WE'LL ASK HIM WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES UP,
OKAY, I'M SORRY. >> IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTED TO LEASE THIS SPOT, THEN THAT'D BE A DIFFERENT USE.
>> YES, YES. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT I HEARD IN YOUR NARRATIVE. BUT I MIGHT HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. THANK YOU.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MARTIN. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MCCAULEY AT THIS TIME? YES, COMMISSIONER OVERHOLT?
>> YES, THANK YOU. HER QUESTION BROUGHT TO MIND, IT SAYS HERE THE BUSINESS AFFIRMS THAT NO SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WILL OCCUR ON THE PREMISE. CAN THEY HAVE ALCOHOL THERE? CAN PEOPLE
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BRING IT IN OR? >> THAT IS SOMETHING WE DID NOT CONSIDER. THIS IS NOT PART OF THEIR APPLICATION. I KNOW IT'S IN THEIR NARRATIVE, THEY WERE MENTIONING THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO BE OPEN TO THAT BUT NOT WITH THE PARTICULAR APPLICATION AT
THIS TIME. >> SO WHAT WE WOULD PASS THEN WOULD NOT ALLOW ANY ALCOHOL ON THE FACILITY?
>> NO, WE WEREN'T CONSIDERING ANY ALCOHOL. IT WASN'T PART OF THEIR REQUEST, ALCOHOL. BUT THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE ANY STIPULATIONS OR ANYTHING AS IT RELATES TO ALCOHOL.
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR NOW, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF WE PASS IT AS WORDED HERE THEY CANNOT HAVE ALCOHOL AT ALL.
>> NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I'M SAYING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS SOLELY FOR A LOUNGE. THEY WANT TO HAVE ALCOHOL, THEY'D NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE. THEY WOULD COORDINATE
WITH THE STATE. >> OH. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
>> YES, COMMISSIONER FOSTER. >> I THINK HE WAS ASKING A MORE BASIC QUESTION, DOES THIS ALLOW FOR BYOB, SOMEBODY ELSE BRINGING IN ALCOHOL, IF WE APPROVE THIS, CAN THEY DO BYOB?
>> WHEN WE LOOK AT BYOBS, THAT'S A USE THAT WOULD BE COORDINATED BETWEEN THE PARTY AND THE STATE. IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD NOT REGULATE BY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
>> OKAY. SO THE STATE MONITORS BYOB OR GIVES PERMITS FOR BYOB
AS FAR AS YOU KNOW. >> THROUGH THE STATE.
>> -- WE CAN'T REGULATE. WE CAN'T REGULATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE BYOB. WE ARE PREEMPTED FROM REGULATING ALCOHOL. WE CAN REGULATE RELATING TO LOCATION, AND AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T MEET A LOCATION REQUIREMENT, BYOB IS PERMITTED IN ANY LOCATION THAT'S NOT OTHERWISE A PERMITTED LOCATION. SO WE CAN'T
AS A CITY RESTRICT BYOB. >> WELL, I THINK I WAS ASKING MORE BASIC. DOES THE STATE REGULATE BYOB?
>> NO. >> OKAY, SO STATE DOESN'T
>> ONLY ALCOHOL SALES BUT NOT --
>> RIGHT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> YEAH. >> YES, COMMISSIONER MARTIN.
>> I HATE TO BRING THIS UP, BUT IT'S RIGHT IN MY FACE. IT SAYS NO ALCOHOL SALE ON PREMISES. I DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE THIS, IS THAT PART OF THE APPLICANT'S TELLING US THAT OR DID YOU TELL US THAT, MIKE, ON PAGE NUMBER FIVE.
>> THAT IS DIRECT VERBAGE FROM THEIR NARRATIVE THAT'S IN THE REPORT. THAT'S A LITTLE EXCERPT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MARTIN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, THANK YOU, MR. MCCAULEY. IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND
DO SO AT THIS TIME. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS -- AMANI, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT. I COME TO YOU WITH A DUAL PERSPECTIVE FIRST AS A CORPORATE EXECUTIVE WITH MORE THAN TWO DECADES OF EXPERIENCE IN SOME OF THE WORLD'S LARGEST CORPORATION, ENSURING THEIR BRANDS AND THEIR FUNDS ARE WELL MANAGED ACROSS DIFFERENT CORPORATE INITIATIVES. MY CORPORATE CAREER -- AT FIRMS LIKE DELOITTE -- EDELMAN, WATERMAN THOMPSON -- TRANSFORMATIONS. I'VE BUILT REPUTATION ON ENSURING THAT GROWTH IS PURSUED SUCCESSFULLY AND RESPONSIBLY FOR ALL MY CLIENTS AND FOR ALL THE VENTURES I WAS EVER INVOLVED IN. AS AN ENTREPRENEUR, I BROUGHT THE SAME DISCIPLINE TO MY HOSPITALITY VENTURES HERE IN DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA. I OWN CAFE, INUBIA. IT HAS BECOME KNOWNAS ONE OF THE DISTINGUISHED ENVIRONMENTS AND WELCOMING ENVIRONMENTS IN THE AREA. AS WE HOPED, WE SERVED OVER 150,000 GUESTS SINCE LAST
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YEAR. AND WE'VE HAD ZERO, ZERO POLICE INCIDENTS OR ISSUES. WE CATER TO A VERY HIGH CLIENTELE, PROFESSIONALS, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY ENCOUNTERS AND WE'VE NOT DEVIATED FROM THE ORDINANCES AND COMPLIANCES SET FORTH FOR US TO OPERATE WITHIN. SO AS WE EXPAND OUR FOOTPRINT IN THE HOSPITALITY SPACE, GET INTO THIS PARTICULAR VENTURE, WE WILL ENSURE THAT WE BRING THE SAME LEVEL OF OUR COMPLIANCE, DISCIPLINE, AND RESPONSIBILITY AND TO PLACATE WHATEVER CONCERNS MIGHT BE LINGERING REGARDING INCIDENTS NEARBY SURROUNDING OR WHATNOT. I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE LOUNGE CONCEPT AND OTHERVENTURES THAT I HAVE. >> YES, COMMISSIONER MARTIN.
>> YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED YOUR BUSINESS, I DIDN'T CATCH THE NAME. THE HOSPITALITY ONE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU'VE SERVED OVER 150,000.
>> IT'S CAFE NUBIA. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> YES, COMMISSIONER DOYLE? >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. WHERE
IS THAT LOCATED, PLEASE? >> ROSE MEAD AND GEORGE BUSH.
>> THAT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I'M TRYING TO SCOPE IT OUT. AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, IT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS, WHAT'S THE DRAW TO A PLACE LIKE THIS? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A BIG OPEN
ROOM, BUT I'LL WITHDRAW THAT. >> WHAT'S THE DRAW?
>> I'M SORRY, THE QUESTION'S BEEN WITHDRAWN. COMMISSIONERS ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME.
>> SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE COMMENTS OR THEIR OPINION KNOWN FOR THIS CASE MAY COME FORWARD AND DO SO AT THIS TIME. I DO NOT SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD. DOES ANYONE ON UP THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF OR APPLICANT AT THIS TIME OR WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION CONCERNING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE? YES, COMMISSIONER MARTIN.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE CASE NUMBER PLSUP 2025-150, CODED LOUNGE CAFE,
WITH STIPULATIONS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER
MARTIN. YES, XHIXER HERMON. >> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND
THAT MOTION. >> SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HERMON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE CASE NUMBER 2025-150, CODED LOUNGE CAFE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THIS MOTION BY COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE? YES,
COMMISSIONER MARTIN. >> I'M SORRY. THERE SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE CLOSING TIME. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS ON THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC ABOUT THE STIPULATION SAYING YOU CLOSE AT 2:00, NOT
THE VERBAGE THAT SAID 4:00. . >> CORRECT, THE RESULT SHEET IS
>> AS FAR AS THE STIPULATIONS. >> OKAY.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MARTIN, FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE? IF NOT, THEN LET'S MOVE TO A VOTE. SO THE MOTION PASSES WITH COMMISSIONER OVERHOLT AND FIRST VICE CHAIR FOSTER VOTING AGAINST WITH VICE CHAIR KRAMER BEING ABSENT AND COMMISSIONER YARBROUGH BEING ABSENT. SO THE MOTION WAS FOR AND DID PASS, SO THIS CASE WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 14, 2025. THANK
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YOU. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS ITEMS, STAFF REPORTS?MR. MCCAULEY? >> I BELIEVE SO. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT TOOK PLACE AT THE SEPTEMBER CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
TWO CASES THAT YOU REVIEWED IN AUGUST, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT
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REQUEST FOR THE NORTH JOSIE CARROLLTON EVENT CENTER, IT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A 4-3 VOTE. IT WENT THERE BY WAY OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AS WELL. AND SECONDLY, THE -- WELL, I APOLOGIZE. I APOLOGIZE. I WENT TO MY AUDIOLOGIST TODAY. SHOULD HAVE GONE TO MY OPTOMETRIST. SO THE ZONING REQUEST FOR 2763 EAST TRINITY MILLS ROAD FOR THE INDOOR TENNIS CLUB, THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WENT THERE BY WAY OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.>> RECOMMENDED DENIAL. 4-4, MOTION FAILED.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MCCAULEY. I DO WANT TO THANK CITY STAFF, AS ALWAYS, FOR YOUR EXCELLENT SUPPORT AND PREPARATION FOR THESE MEETINGS. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMISSIONERS PUTTING ASIDE YOUR TIME TO COME UP AND HEAR US MOVE THESE AGENDA ITEMS FORWARD. SO HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, I'M CALLING TH
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