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          LAST MEETING. MY FATHER PASSED AWAY, SO FOR THOSE OF YOU , FOR ALL THE WELL WISHES AND SO FORTH, I DEEPLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WELL WISHES AND PRAYERS AND SO FORTH. IT MEANT A LOT DURING A DIFFICULT TIME FOR MY FAMILY. WITH THAT, LET'S DIVE INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THE FIRST ITEM IS NUMBER NINE, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 23RD REGULAR MEETING MINUTES. ANY COMMENTS ON THOSE? MOVE ON TO EITHER NUMBER 10, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH STRYKER MEDICAL FOR THE PURCHASE OF EIGHT 3.ONE CHEST COMPRESSION SYSTEMS AND ASSOCIATED CHARGING EQUIPMENT FOR CARROLLTON FIRE RESCUE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $209,000 , THAT YOU'LL RECALL FROM OUR DISCUSSION. NUMBER 11 IS CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH MULTIPLE VENDORS PURSUANT TO RFP #25-054 FOR CITY OF CARROLLTON HVAC SERVICES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $100,000 ANNUALLY FOR A FOUR YEAR TOTAL AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $400,000. A NORMAL CONTRACT AS PART OF OUR BUDGET, ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> I NOTICED THAT THERE'S A BIG BUFFER, UNLESS I'M NOT READING THIS CORRECTLY, I'M JUST CURIOUS. 48,000, IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT'S STANDARD TO HAVE SUCH A BIG 
          BUFFER. >> DUANE WILL BE HAPPY TO TALK 
          ABOUT CONTINGENCY AND BUFFERS. >> DIRECTOR OF FLEET FACILITIES, WE GENERALLY ADD EXTRA MONEY, ABOUT 10%. SO, I'M NOT SURE I 
          GOT ALL OF YOUR QUESTION. >> IT LOOKS LIKE UNLESS I'M READING IT CORRECTLY, ONLY ABOUT IN THE FIRST YEAR TO 48,000, SOMETHING , BUT THE AMOUNT THAT WAS LISTED IS UP TO 100,000. IT SEEMS LIKE SUCH A BIG NUMBER, MORE THAN 100%. 
          >> WE GENERALLY USE $100,000 WORTH OF SERVICES A YEAR WITH 
          AIR-CONDITIONING AGREEMENT. >> IF THAT'S YOUR BID SHEET, 
          >> A COUPLE OF HOURS IS A NORMAL RESPONSE TIME. WE WEIGH THEM ON HOW FAST IS THE RESPONSE TIME, SOME PEOPLE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIME IS UNDER 20 MINUTES BUT SOME PEOPLE SAY IT'S 480 MINUTES. THE PERSON WHO IS 120 MINUTES, WE LIKE HIM BETTER. HE 
          CAN GIVE YOU QUICKER. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> NEXT ITEM, NUMBER 12, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE A SERVICES CONTRACT WITH CSRS, LLC, TO THE TECH SHARE STATE CO-OP FOR GRANT MANAGEMENT SUPPORT SERVICES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $800,000. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? COUNCILMEMBER CLINE. 
          >> I REMEMBER WE BUDGETED FOR GRANTS, I THINK. TWO OR THREE 
          YEARS AGO. >> SOME OF THE FUNDS FOR THAT WILL BE HELPING TO PAY FOR THIS. 
          >> I WASN'T SURE IF WE EVER HIRED SOMEONE, OR IF INSTEAD 
          WE'RE OUTSOURCING. >> WE DID. 
          >> AND THEN THIS IS TO DO THE COMPLIANCE PART, MAINLY? IS THAT 
          WHAT THIS IS? >> IT'S MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING IN ACCORDANCE WITH FEDERAL RULES SO THEY DON'T COME BACK LATER AND ASK US TO PAY BACK $18 MILLION. 
          >> BECAUSE THEY DO THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. AND, GO AHEAD. WE 
          HAVE A SPEAKER AT THE PODIUM. >> DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. WE DID BRING ON A SMALL CONTRACTOR, THERE'S A GRANT THAT WE HAD APPLIED FOR, FOR TRAIL FUNDING, LOOKING AT FOR MANAGEMENT CURRENTLY. WE DID UTILIZE SOME OF THAT FUNDING. 
          >> BUT THESE ARE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF ACCEPTING FEDERAL DOLLARS, YOU GET A GRANT AND YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMPLIANT, THIS IS THE COST OF COMPLIANCE. IS THAT FAIR? 
          >> I WAS CURIOUS HOW THE FEES ARE CALCULATED. IS IT A PERCENTAGE OF THE GRANT? IS IT HOURLY? 
          >> THEY RUN THROUGH THE SCOPE OF SERVICES, THEY LOOK AT THE TYPE OF GRANT, WE DISCUSS HOW LONG ABOUT WE THINK CONSTRUCTION MAY 
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TAKE, AS WELL AS THE SIZE OF THE GRANT. AND THEN, I GUESS, THEY LOOK AT IT ON THEIR STANDPOINT FROM AN HOURLY BASIS HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO TAKE AND THEY USE THEIR PREAPPROVED, WE ARE DOING THIS ONE, THEY ALREADY HAVE HOURLY RATES THROUGH TEXTURE, WE'RE USING THAT AND THEY UTILIZE THOSE RATES TO CALCULATE HOW MANY HOURS THEY THINK IT WILL TAKE TO RUN. 
          >> SO, EACH TIME IT'S AUTHORIZED IT'S A LUMP SUM? OR, 
          >> IT'S AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED. BILL CHARGES HOURLY. 
          >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD, LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER 13. BUYING SOME VEHICLES. 
          TWO FORD F1 50 TRUCKS FROM THROUGH AN AGREEMENT WITH TIPS, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 105,003 83.25,, 11 YEARS OLD. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS PART OF A REPLACEMENT FUND. 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> NUMBER 14, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE A CONTRACT FOR THE PURCHASE OF ONE AMBULANCE BODY FROM SOUTHERN EMERGENCY & RESCUE VEHICLE SALES THROW-IN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH SOURCE WELL PURCHASING IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $350,183. THIS IS , WE'VE GOTTEN TO WHERE WE BUY THE PIECES AND PUT IT TOGETHER, RIGHT? THIS IS FOLLOWING THE SAME. I THINK WE SAVE MONEY THERE. NUMBER 14, NUMBER 15, PROBABLY REDUCE TIME AS WELL. 
          NUMBER 15, THEN IS BUYING 11 TAHOE'S FROM LAKE COUNTRY CHEVROLET THROW-IN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT PURCHASING IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $950,000 $86.83. 10 REPLACEMENTS, ONE ADDITIONAL, THE ONE ADDITIONAL IS FOR THE ATV IN THE BUDGET. 
          OKAY. THAT'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER 16, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS RELATED TO THE SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION THROUGH THE 2026 RIFLE RESISTANT BODY ARMOR GRANT PROGRAM AND ACCEPTANCE OF A SPECIFIC AWARD UNDER THE 2026 RIFLE RESISTANT BODY ARMOR GRANT PROGRAM GRANT FOR A TOTAL OF $51,836.40. THIS IS GRANT TWO OF TWO . NUMBER 17, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARROLLTON, FINDING THE ONCOR ELECTRIC DELIVERY COMPANY, ONCOR, APPLICATION TO CHANGE RATES WITHIN THE CITY SHOULD BE DENIED, FINDING THE CITIES REASONABLE RATE CASE EXPENSES SHALL BE REIMBURSED BY THE COMPANY, FINDING THAT THE MEETING AT WHICH THIS RESOLUTION IS PASSED IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS REQUIRED BY LAW, REQUIRING NOTICE OF THE RESOLUTION TO THE COMPANY AND TO LEGAL COUNCIL FOR THE STEERING COMMITTEE. THIS IS THE DANCE WE DO EVERY YEAR WITH 
          ONCOR AND THE VARIOUS UTILITIES. >> I GOT A QUESTION. HOW MUCH HAS THE CITY, HAS THE CITY SPENT ANY MONEY? AS FAR AS TRYING TO 
          DEFEND ANY POSITION? NO. >> WE SPEND ABOUT, ABOUT 3000 
          ANNUALLY TO BE PART OF THIS. >> IS NOT A CLASS ACTION. 
          >> WE'RE PART OF THE COLLECTIVE. 
          >> WE DON'T HIRE ANY TYPE OF EXPERT CONSULTANTS OR ANYTHING 
          LIKE THAT. >> WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY. 
          ALL THE CITIES , EVERYBODY. >> MAKES SENSE, THANK YOU. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ONCOR?  ALL RIGHT, WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL. NUMBER 18, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE CONTRACT AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE WITH A CALM FOR GENERAL ENGINEERING CONSULTANT SERVICES RELATED TO PROJECT MANAGEMENT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,550,000.00 FOR A REVISED CONTRACT AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED  $2,912,500.00 . 
          QUESTIONS ON THIS? YES, COUNCILMEMBER KLEIN. 
          >> GO FIRST, I'M FINE. >> YOU WILL HAVE BETTER 
          QUESTIONS. >> MAYBE, DON'T SELL YOURSELF 
          SHORT. >> IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY LARGE AMOUNT. I WAS JUST WONDERING, WHAT WAS THE TRIGGER FOR THAT 
          ONE? >> THIS IS PART OF AN ATV THAT WAS APPROVED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, THIS IS THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF THAT ARE MANAGING SOME OF OUR BOND PROGRAM PROJECTS. THEY'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A RENEWAL FOR THIS NEXT YEAR TO ALLOW THEM DOWN THERE TO 
          MANAGE OUR PROJECTS. >> I WAS JUST WONDERING, WHY , 
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WHY THE AMENDMENT IS SO BIG. IT'S 87%. 
          >> WE DON'T BUILD PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, THERE IS NO CAP ON THE AMENDMENT. I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING, USUALLY WE'RE LIMITED TO 25% BUT THAT'S REGARDING THE BID. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AREN'T BID BY VALUE, IT'S BEEN BY QUALITY OF SERVICE. 
          >> DON'T QUOTE ME ON IT, WE HAVE $350 MILLION OF CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE TO BE MANAGED, THEY'RE COMING OUT OF DESIGN, GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAVING UP. THIS AND EVERY YEAR WE HAVE PROJECT MANAGERS THAT WE CONTRACT FOR, THEY GET ROLLED INTO THE COST OF THE CAPITAL THAT WE APPROVED BY PROJECT. VERSUS HIRING THESE PRODUCT MANAGERS IN-HOUSE AND POTENTIALLY LIMITING CAPACITY. 
          THIS GIVES A SCALE AND SUSTAINABILITY FOR THESE CAPITAL 
          PROJECTS. >> I GOT A QUESTION. WAS THIS ANTICIPATED DURING THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT? 
          >> THIS WAS AN ATB. TO MANAGE ALL OF THEM. 
          >> WE'LL HAVE PROJECT MANAGERS UNDER CONTRACT PROBABLY AS LONG 
          AS THE CITY EXISTS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THE NEW BOND PROJECTS ARE COMING UP, THE COST FOR THESE INCLUDED IN THE BOND COST, THAT WILL BE INCLUDED GOING FORWARD, THESE ARE ALL PAID FOR WITH ONE-TIME FUNDS EVERY YEAR RIGHT NOW IS HOW WE'RE DOING IT. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HIRE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, WE ARE FUNDING THEM WITH ONE-TIME FUNDS THROUGH ATVS. 
          >> AND NO TWO CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE THE SAME, YOU HAVE TO HAVE GENERAL VERSUS BEING ABLE TO LEVERAGE SPECIALTIES. 
          >> WE DO IN I.T. AS WELL. >> IT'S ALL BAKED INTO THE SOW. 
          >> IT IS. >> IS SO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT HOW IS REIMBURSEMENT DONE, IS IT LUMP SUM, IS IT BASED ON HOURS, AND ALSO, DOES IT INCLUDE ANY INSPECTION SERVICES? IS IT 
          PRIMARILY JUST OFFICE TYPE WORK? >> DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, SO THIS IS AN HOURLY BASED REIMBURSEMENT. THEY TRACK THEIR HOURS, HOW MUCH HOURS THEY SPEND ON EVERYTHING. AND THEN SUBMIT REIMBURSEMENT MONTHLY BASED ON THAT. TRACKING EACH PROJECT THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. AND THEN, FROM AN INSPECTION STANDPOINT, THEY DON'T DO THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION PER SE, WE HAVE INSPECTORS ON STAFF, BUT THEY GET OUT IN THE FIELD, THEY LOOK AT PROJECTS, THEY VISIT WITH CONTRACTORS, THEY VISIT WITH OUR INSPECTORS, THEY REVIEW THE WORK THAT'S GONE ON. IT'S NOT JUST , IT'S ESSENTIALLY SIMILAR TO OUR PROJECT MANAGER, WHAT THEY'RE HANDLING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. 
          >> I NOTICED ONE OF THE OTHER ADDENDUM'S WAS FOR VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE FOR FLAT CONSTRUCTION. PROJECTS ARE JUST A SIGNED BASED ON THE TIME? 
          >> IT'S A COMBINATION. ORIGINALLY WE STARTED THIS AS A WE'VE NEVER DONE IT AS A CITY. BUT, TO TRY TO PICK UP THE WORKLOAD THAT WE HAVE, WE STARTED WITH VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF STREETS AND NEEDED TO START PICK UP CONSTRUCTION ON THAT. THE RESPONSE THAT WE GOT BACK WE LIKE THE WORD THAT WE'RE GETTING AND WE HAVE A LOT OF VERTICAL PROJECTS THAT NEEDED TO GET UP AND RUNNING, AND THEY HAD PEOPLE THAT SPECIALIZED IN VERTICAL PROJECTS. SO, WE BROUGHT THEM ON, THROUGH THOSE OTHER CHANGE ORDERS. AS WELL AS EXTENDING THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION FULL-TIME BECAUSE IT WAS PART-TIME AT FIRST, AND THEN THAT WE'VE BEEN , BASED ON THOSE MEMBERS SPECIALTIES DIFFERENT PROJECTS. 
          >> AND THEN, I THINK I RECALL A VERY SMART , YOU HIRED SOMEBODY THAT WAS HELPING AS PART OF THE CONTRACT, TO AUGMENT, I CAN SEE, 
          IS THAT CORRECT? >> I THINK FORT WORTH HAS DONE THAT. AND THEN I DON'T, WE HAVE AN OPENING RIGHT NOW, NOT SPECIFICALLY WITH ANYONE FROM THIS. 
          >> NOT FROM THIS CONTRACT. >> IT'S A GOOD WAY TO STAFF 
          AUGMENT AND THEN PICK SOMETIMES. >> YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL ON THAT, BUT I'M A FAN OF PROJECTS WHERE YOU BUY. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I THINK ANYTHING THAT HELPS OUR PROJECTS KEEP MOVING IS GREAT. ESPECIALLY NAVIGATING UTILITIES AND ALL THE DETAILS AND ALL THAT STUFF IS GOOD. 
          >> IT'S GOOD DISCUSSION. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HUGE PROJECTS, YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT ALL THE VARIOUS PROCUREMENT VEHICLES THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE PART OF THE APPROVAL, THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM. 
          >> HAVING BEEN HERE WHEN THE COMPETITION WAS BORN I'M CURIOUS WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ENGINEERING WENT THROUGH MANAGED 
          COMPETITION. >> CIP COMPETITION IN 2024, THAT'S ONE OF OUR BRANCHES. AND PART OF THAT FUNDING DID 
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RECOMMEND BRINGING ON SOME EXTERNAL PROJECT MANAGERS. 
          >> BECAUSE IT LOOKS AT THE LOAD AND THE BURDEN. 
          >> EBB AND FLOW. >> THE KEY NUMBER IS $350 MILLION CAPITAL PROJECT, SO WE'VE GOT TO EXECUTE. 
          >> QUESTION. SO, HOW MANY CONTRACTORS DOES THIS AMENDMENT 
          PROVIDE FOR? >> THIS AMENDMENT HAS 3 1/2. WE HAVE ONE WITH THE VERTICAL, NOT FULL-TIME WITH US BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORK THAT WE'VE GOT, BUT HAS A TWO VERTICAL THAT ARE FULL-TIME, AND THEN ONE HORIZONTAL THAT'S FULL-TIME WITH THIS CONTRACT. AND THEN THE HALF IS ALSO VERTICAL. SO, THIS TEAM IS HEAVILY MANAGING OUR VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION TAKES A LOT MORE , MORE FINE DETAIL, MORE IS HAPPENING ALL AT ONCE. YOU CAN'T MANAGE AS MANY PROBLEMS ON THE VERTICAL SIDE, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE SPECIAL IN THESE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR DECADES. WE'VE GOT THEM HANDLING . 
          >> GREAT. FOR THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION, THE VERBIAGE ON THE RESOLUTION ATTACHED SAYS IT'S AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. BUT, THE TITLE OF OUR ITEM SAYS IT'S FOR AMENDMENT NO. 3. SO, HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN DOING BUSINESS WITH THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY FOR THEIR CONTRACTING SERVICES? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED 
          TO ADDRESS? AS AMENDED. >> IT SHOULD BE AS SUBMITTED, 
          NUMBER THREE. >> GOOD CATCH. 
          >> CAN YOU LET ME KNOW HOW MANY YEARS WE'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS 
          WITH A CALM? >> SECTION 1, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, THIS IS THE THIRD AMENDMENT. SO, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2024 IS WHEN WE STARTED, THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THE HALFTIME HORIZONTAL. AND THE NEXT AMENDMENT WAS BRINGING ON FULL-TIME. CONTRACT AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, CONTRACT AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO BROUGHT ON ADDITIONAL VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION PLUS THE INITIAL HORIZONTAL FULL-TIME. AND THEN, THROUGH STAFFING CHANGES THAT THEY HAD INTERNALLY, WE WERE ABLE TO BRING ON A HALFTIME EMPLOYEE WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL COST. 
          THAT'S JUST BASED ON THEIR HOURLY RATES. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE 3 1/2 AND WE SEE THREE HISTORICALLY. 
          >> IS THERE, TO THE COUNCILMEMBERS POINT, IS THERE 
          AN EDIT TO BE MADE? >> YES, ON THE RESOLUTION IN SECTION 1 IT SHOULD SAY AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. JUST, AS 
          AMENDED. >> AS AMENDED, WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION. ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. INDICATE THIS ONE SAYS AMENDED. ALL RIGHT. GOOD, GOOD DISCUSSION. NUMBER 19. CONSIDER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH DENTON COUNTY FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF HEBRON BETWEEN JOSEY LANE AND MEADOW DRIVE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $6,375,000.00 KEY THOROUGHFARE 
          FOR US. ANY QUESTIONS? >> HOW IS THE REIMBURSEMENT PROVIDED TO THE CITY? THAT'S PROBABLY A , IS IT LUMP-SUM? 
          >> THIS IS FROM THE COUNTY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? 
          >> DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, SO THIS IS A REIMBURSEMENT FOR AS CONSTRUCTION IS OCCURRING WE SUBMIT THE INVOICES AND THEY 
          REIMBURSE US BACK. >> CONSTRUCTION IS OCCURRING? SO, AFTER, NOT PART OF THE DESIGN. 
          >> THE REASON WE'RE DOING ALL THE CONSTRUCTION PIECES, IS BECAUSE THE DESIGN DOES INCLUDE SOME UTILITY AND DRAINAGE WORK NOT INCLUDED AS PART OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO TRY TO PARSE OUT THE DIFFERENT PIECES IN DESIGN. 
          BECAUSE IT'S ALL CHARGED AS ONE FEE. WE'D BE BRINGING THE INDIVIDUAL BACK. HE DECIDED AND DISCUSSED THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO BRING THIS AS CONSTRUCTION. 
          >> THEY HAVE ALIGNED TO THEIR BOND. 
          >> THIS IS ITEM 19, SO, IT SAYS THAT THE DESIGN CONTRACT IS 30% 
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COMPLETE BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS I THINK THERE'S THREE DESIGN CONTRACT. BUT THEY'RE ALL ABOUT THE SAME. 
          >> APPROXIMATELY 30%. DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIORITIES FOR ONE OF 
          THE THREE PHASES? >> WE'VE HAD THE INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS CURRENTLY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DISCUSSING IS WHETHER WE WANT TO TAKE THIS AS ONE LARGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT 
          WHICH IS DIFFERENT. >> THAT WOULD BE VERY SCARY. 
          >> IT WOULD ATTRACT DIFFERENT COMPANIES, SO, SOME LARGER COMPANIES, I THINK A LOT OF LARGER SCALE PROJECTS. WE WOULD PROBABLY ATTRACT A DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. AND, THEY, IF WE WENT THAT ROUTE, WE CAN END UP HAVING THEM HELP AS FAR AS WE WANT TO CONSTRUCT IT, OUR INITIAL THOUGHTS WE PUT IT IN SECTIONS TO GO FROM THE OUTERMOST PARTS INTO THE MIDDLE. 
          BUT, DISCUSSING IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO ATTRACT ONE OF THE COMPANIES, AND THEN BID IT ALL OUT. SO, WE'RE STILL WORKING TO DETERMINE THAT, BUT, WE DID WITH ALL OF OUR DESIGN FIRMS, WE ASKED AS PART OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION DETERMINATION AS FAR AS EACH SECTION GOES, WAS TO LOOK AT MAINTAINING TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS DURING CONSTRUCTION. TEMPORARILY, SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN TRAFFIC FLOW AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. 
          >> THAT'S VERY KIND. >> OUR RESIDENTS THANK YOU. 
          >> THAT'S INTERESTING, SO, THE INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT, NOW CALLED AN ICA, IS THAT THE SAME AS IN THE OLDEN DAYS? I WAS JUST CURIOUS, THE AGENDA ITEM REFERS AND THEN ICA, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING. THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER 20 AM I CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE A DESIGN SERVICES CONTRACT WITH DUNAWAY LLC FOR EW BRAKE NEIGHBORHOOD REHAB PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $512,975.00. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? 
          >> YES. >> I'M CURIOUS, THIS IS, I THINK, PART OF THE LAST BOND PROGRAM? 
          >> 2022 BONDS. >> THE LAST BOND PROGRAM. I FORGOT MY QUESTION. BUT, AND THEN, IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WILL BE GOING ON, AND I DO UNDERSTAND 
          THE BURDEN. >> WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK, THREE TO $50 MILLION OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE REMIND FOLKS AT THE STATE OF THE CITY. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 21. 21, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE DESIGN SERVICES WITH DUNAWAY FOR THE JOSEY SCREENING PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $30,920.00. THIS IS RIGHT THERE . CHAIN-LINK FENCE. IT'S BEING REPLACED. NOT WITH CHAIN-LINK FENCE. 
          >> THAT'S RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER 22, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE A DESIGN SERVICES CONTRACT WITH DUNAWAY FOR THE FRANCIS PERRY NEIGHBORHOOD REHAB PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $753,970.00 . THIS IS RIGHT DOWN IN OUR HISTORIC AREA HEADING INTO DOWNTOWN. DEFINITELY ANY 
          QUESTIONS ON THIS. >> IT'S A 753,000. 
          >> $753,970.00. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, IT LOOKS LIKE WARNER OR ONE OF THE STREETS PART OF IT AS BEEN DONE BUT NOT ALL OF IT. IS IT BASED ON THE PAYMENT SCORES, OR HOW IS 
          THAT? >> MOST OF THE SOUTH STREET WERE RECONSTRUCTED IN 2010, WILL BE WORK ON THAT STREET, AND THERE'LL BE SOME SIDEWALKS, THIS IS ALL CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER WITH ENCLOSED DRAINAGE? AND THE QUESTION I MEANT TO ASK EARLIER AND I COULDN'T THINK OF IS, ARE THE FEES FOR THE ENGINEERING DESIGN CALCULATED BASED ON CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES? OR, HOW ARE THE AMOUNT OF THE FEES DECIDED? 
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          >> DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, THIS, IT'S AN ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT WE GO TO, WE'LL SIT DOWN WITH THEM ONCE WE MAKE OUR SELECTION BASED OFF OUR RESULTS, WE WILL SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND SCOPE OUT, HERE'S ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED DONE IN THE AREA ON THIS PROJECT, THEY TAKE IT BACK, COME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE, ABOUT HOW MANY HOURS IT WILL TAKE, AND THEN THE PROVIDE STAFF WITH PROBABLE CAUSE, AND AMOUNT OF HOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, A LOT OF THOSE GO OFTEN HAND-IN-HAND, BUT, THEY GIVE US , THEY'LL GIVE US A LINE ITEM OF HERE'S ABOUT HOW MUCH WE THINK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND SAY, WE KNOW YOU'RE A LITTLE HIGH ON THIS, A LITTLE OFF ON THIS, WE DON'T DO THIS, AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND BACK AND FORTH, THAT WE WOULD GET A GOOD PRICING FOR THE PROJECT. OFTEN TIMES IT WILL START AT ONE NUMBER AND IN THE FINAL NUMBER, SOMETIMES REVEALED REALIZE AS WE GET INTO THE SCOPE OF THE SESSION THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR THAT NEEDS TO BE SCOPED. WE'LL HAVE THAT BEFORE WE EXECUTE THE CONTRACT. 
          >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> VERY GOOD, THANK YOU, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO NUMBER 23, CONSIDER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT WITH DENTON COUNTY FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF FRANKFORD ROAD BETWEEN OLD DENTON IN SANDRIDGE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $3,250,000. AGAIN, A LOT OF GOOD PRODUCTS UNDERWAY, THIS IS , WE'RE NOT CAREFUL WE'RE GOING TO BE IN GRIDLOCK, HERE, STAGING IS SO IMPORTANT. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THESE HITTING THE AGENDAS FOR AUTHORIZATION. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. 
          >> IS OF THE SAME REIMBURSEMENT AS HEBRON WHERE IT'S ONLY 
          CONSTRUCTION? >> CORRECT. 
          >> NOT ANY DESIGN? >> CORRECT. 
          >> PARTNERS UP IN DENTON COUNTY HELPING US WITH HEBRON AND 
          FRANKFURT. >> SO IS THIS ALL THE MONEY FOR FRANKFURT THAT WE'RE GETTING, OR IS THERE MORE MONEY? 
          >> THERE'S MORE MONEY. >> MORE COMING. AND, WAS IT FOR 
          THE OTHER SECTION? >> WE HAD ONE THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2023, FOR THE SECTION BETWEEN COMMODORE AND EISENHOWER, AND WE HAVE ONE MORE SECTION BETWEEN VICKERS AND AN OLD DENTON, IS 
          THAT CORRECT? >> I THINK YOU HAVE A CHEAT SHEET IN FRONT OF YOU. THAT'S PRETTY SMART, THANK YOU. 
          >> LET'S MOVE ON, WE HAVE SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS, UNLESS THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE'LL HOLD THOSE . WITH THAT 
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THAT TAKES US BACK. SO, THAT TAKES US BACK TO OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS. WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER FOUR, AMENDMENT TO THE CARROLLTON CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE NINE, CHAPTER 
          91, ANIMAL REGULATIONS. >> GOOD EVENING, MARY AND COUNCIL, AS THE MAYOR SAID TONIGHT WE HAVE PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 91, THAT'S OUR ANIMAL REGULATIONS. JUST AS A BRIEF OVERVIEW, THIS IS THE DRIVING ORDINANCE BEHIND THE ENTIRETY OF THE ANIMAL SERVICES OPERATION AND HOW THEY DO BUSINESS. WITH THE MAIN GOAL OF PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, BY DOING, THROUGH THAT, THROUGH PREVENTING DISEASE. THIS IS A HOLISTIC LOOK AT HOW WE PROTECT THE PUBLIC, CARROLLTON ANIMALS AS WELL. AND ENSURE HUMANE TREATMENT. THIS ALSO PROVIDES A REGISTRATION OF PERMIT PROCESS FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS, ANIMAL IMPOUNDMENT AND CONTROL. THERE'S A LOT TO COVER IN IT, IT'S A FAIRLY LONG ORDINANCE, HOWEVER, TONIGHT'S GOAL, WE HAVE SEVERAL CHANGES THAT WE LIKE COUNCIL FEEDBACK ON, AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE HIGH LEVEL MAJOR IMPACTS THAT WOULD BE FELT BY CARROLLTON RESIDENTS. THOSE ARE BROKEN UP INTO THREE SEPARATE CATEGORIES. STATE DRIVEN UPDATES, THOSE WILL NOT BE UP FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK AT A LATER TIME. THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ALREADY IN ANIMAL SERVICES OPERATIONS. THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH TO DISCUSS ON THOSE. HOWEVER, STAFF DRIVEN UPDATES, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ANIMAL SERVICES STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT TO BETTER PROVIDE A SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS. IMPROVE ENFORCEMENT OR PROVIDE A NEW PATHWAY FOR FOLKS. WE HAVE SOME LOW IMPACTS THAT WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT BUT WE DO HAVE A FEW HIGH IMPACT ONES THAT WE'LL BE 
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SEEKING COUNCIL AND PUT ON. THEN THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE PUBLIC DRIVEN UPDATES, SPECIFICALLY SOME RESIDENTS AND THE RESCUE COMMUNITY HAVE CONTACTED ANIMAL SERVICES OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, WITH QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS ABOUT A FEW OF THESE THINGS, THOSE ARE THE ONES TH WE'RE LOOKING FOR COUNCIL AND PUT ON TONIGHT. STAFF ARE COMMI UPDATES. THE FIRST ONE BEING SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND, OR YOU CERTAINLY HAVE SEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA. WE HAVE PUBLIC NUISANCE ANIMALS AND ESSENTIALLY THAT IS A DOG THAT'S AT LARGE. OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WAYS THAT THAT DOG CAN BECOME AT LARGE. CARROLLTON HAS VERY SOFT SOIL, FENCES SHIFT, DOGS ARE ABLE TO ESCAPE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, SOMETIMES A DOG WILL ESCAPE ITS HARNESS OR FRANKLY IS ALLOWED TO BE AT LARGE. IN A GIVEN YEAR STAFF ARE RESPONDING TO 500 OF THESE CALLS AND RETURNING ABOUT 500 ANIMALS BACK TO THEIR OWNER. THAT'S A LOT OF INCIDENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP TRY TO REDUCE THAT NUMBER. RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT PROCESS IS WHEN STAFF ARE ABLE TO CAPTURE AN AT-LARGE ANIMAL, THEY'LL HOLD IT AT THE SHELTER UNLESS IT'S MICROCHIPPED, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO CONTACT THE OWNER, WE CAN TAKE IT BACK TO THEIR HOUSE AND AVOID THAT TIME AT THE SHELTER. IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN WARNED, WE CAN ISSUE A CITATION, BUT IF THAT ANIMAL CONTINUES TO ESCAPE, THAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT LOOP THAT WE'RE STUCK IN. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX TO HELP TRY TO DRIVE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS DOWN A BIT. THE STAFF RECOMMENDED UPDATE IS TO IMPLEMENT A COURT HEARING FOR A SEIZURE AFTER THE THIRD CONVICTION ABOUT DOG BEING AT LARGE. SO, CLEARLY, THEY'VE PROVEN THAT THIS DOG IS ABLE TO ESCAPE, THEY HAVEN'T YET DONE WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO FIX THAT PROBLEM, SO WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BEFORE A JUDGE AND LET THE JUDGE DECIDE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THIS DOG. THEY CAN DECIDE THAT IT NEEDS TO SIMPLY BE RETURNED BACK TO ITS OWNER. 
          THEY CAN SAY IT CAN BE RETURNED TO ITS OWNER BUT IT'S NO LONGER WELCOME WITHIN THE CITY OF CARROLLTON AND IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN ELSEWHERE. FOUR, IT'S NOT RETURNED TO THE OWNER, IT BECOMES ANIMAL SERVICES PROPERTY AND WE'LL FIND A NEW HOME FOR THAT DOG. EVERY CITY THAT WE'VE BENCHMARKED HAVE A SIMILAR PROCESS FOR THIS. CURRENTLY IN CARROLLTON WE DO NOT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO IMPLEMENT WITH THIS UPDATE. 
          >> THE LISTING OF CITIES, ARE THERE ALL THREE CONVICTIONS, 
          THREE STRIKES? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION HERE BUT CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT. 
          >> DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THESE ONE BY ONE, DO YOU HAVE A WRAP UP? 
          >> IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE WHILE WE'RE HERE. 
          >> WE CAN DO A THUMBS UP. >> SOUNDS GOOD. 
          >> IS THAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AFTER THE 
          THIRD CONVICTION? >> IT DOES VARY HOW MANY TIMES THE ANIMAL IS CONVICTED, BUT THE COURT HEARING OR SOME KIND OF HEARING IS A FAIRLY STANDARD PROCESS. 
          >> THIS WILL REQUIRE UPDATES TO THE ORDINANCE, IT'S A WORK SESSION ITEM. WHEN IT COMES BACK IF YOU'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR US. IF THE AVERAGE IS SIX, WE MAY WANT TO ON-THE-FLY CHANGE IT TO SIX. BUT THEY GOT CONSENSUS. 
          >> SO, THE ITEMS , IT'S UNDERNEATH THE THIRD CONVICTION. 
          ARE THOSE THE THINGS THAT LEAD TO A CONVICTION? WHAT ARE YOU TELLING ME WITH THAT INFORMATION. 
          >> A CITATION OR CONVICTION? >> I DID GLOSS OVER THAT, THESE ARE THE VARIOUS WAYS THAT AN ANIMAL CAN BE DEEMED A PUBLIC NUISANCE. IF YOU READ THROUGH THEM, THEY'RE ALL ESSENTIALLY BEING AT LARGE, INTERFERING WITH A PERSON OR A PASSING VEHICLE WHILE AT LARGE, ATTACKING AN ANIMAL WHILE AT LARGE, 
          TRESPASSING. >> I'M SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED IN THE SECOND ONE. THEY HAVE TO, IT SOUNDS TERRIBLE, THREE PEOPLE HAVE TO DIE BEFORE WE CAN DO ANYTHING? WE DON'T HAVE, 
          >> WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. THAT SEEMS LIKE AN ODD ONE. 
          >> ANOTHER ANIMAL ATTACK, NOT A PERSON. 
          >> AN ANIMAL ATTACK ON AN ANIMAL. NO, NO, NO. 
          >> WHY WOULD WE NOT DO SOMETHING MUCH, MUCH SOONER? 
          >> THAT'S A DANGEROUS DOG PROCESS WHICH IS SEPARATE. 
          >> I CAN'T WAIT THREE TIMES AND FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          >> THAT'S A FAIR CONCERN TO HAVE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, GREAT. >> I APOLOGIZE FOR MY IGNORANCE. 
          DON'T WE ALSO HAVE SOMETHING DEALING WITH ANIMAL ON ANIMAL? 
          >> THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL A FEW YEARS AGO. IT DID NOT PASS. BECAUSE THERE WAS A HORROR STORY ONCE UPON A TIME WHERE BIG DOG CHEWS UP LITTLE DOG. SO, 
          >> WHEN I WAS A KID IT HAPPENED. >> THESE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS 
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THAT ARE ALL OVER NEXT-DOOR, THE SAME PEOPLE LETTING THE SAME 
          DOGS OUT. >> IN A SIMILAR VEIN, AS ANIMAL SERVICES ARE PICKING UP THESE AT-LARGE DOGS, CURRENTLY THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THE OWNER TO REDEEM IT. ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THEY CAN PROVE THAT THAT ANIMAL HAS BEEN RABIES VACCINATED. IF THEY CAN'T PROVE IT WE'LL ENSURE THAT THAT SERVICE IS PROVIDED SO THAT DOG IS GOING HOME VACCINATED. HOWEVER, THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE STILL GOING HOME POTENTIALLY IN VIOLATION OF NOT BEING REGISTERED WITH THE CITY, NOT BEING MICROCHIPPED, WHICH GREATLY EASES THE WAY THE ANIMAL SERVICES IS ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THE OWNER. AND THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT A DOG IS A STERILIZED IF IT CONTINUES TO BE AT LARGE. WE DID THE BENCHMARKING ON THIS, EVERY CITY THAT WE CONTACTED HAS THE SAME REQUIREMENT. IF YOU'RE WONDERING ABOUT FRISCO, CITY OF FRISCO DOES NOT HAVE A SHOULDER SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY REDEMPTION REQUIREMENTS. MOST CITIES REQUIRE THAT IF THE ANIMAL IS NOT ALREADY REGISTERED THAT WE DO IT BEFORE THEY'RE ABLE TO TAKE THAT ANIMAL BACK HOME WITH THEM. WE'RE STARTING TO SEE CITIES SHIFT TOWARD REQUIRING MICROCHIPPING, WHICH WE STRONGLY FEEL IS A GREAT WAY TO PROTECT ANIMALS . AND THEN, A NUMBER OF CITIES ARE STARTING TO REQUIRE THE STERILIZATION IF THERE ANIMAL CONTINUES TO BE FOUND AT LARGE. IN A SIMILAR VEIN, IF YOUR ANIMAL CONTINUES TO BE AT-LARGE THREE TIMES WITHIN ONE YEAR, THAT WILL REQUIRE THAT ANIMAL TO BE STERILIZED, WHICH SHOULD REDUCE ITS BEHAVIOR TO 
          WANT TO BE AT-LARGE. >> IT SHOULD. 
          >> THAT'S A HARSH PUNISHMENT. >> A QUICK QUESTION. IS THERE A CHARGE FOR A DOG TO BE AT-LARGE IF THE CITY COMES OUT? 
          >> NUMBER OF CHARGES, WE HAVE A $10 A DAY IMPOUND FEE, A $20 REDEMPTION FEE, AND IF IT'S MORE THAN A ONE OFF THE FENCE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CITATION THAT ESCALATES FROM $281 UP TO 
          841, I BELIEVE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          >> SO, YOU GOT A RECOMMENDATION, SEND ME FURTHER COMMENT. 
          >> MOVING INTO THE PUBLIC DRIVEN UPDATES, THESE ARE COMMENTS OR CONCERNS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WE WANT TO INCORPORATE IN THESE PROPOSED CHANGES. ONE OF WHICH BEING, THE PUBLIC RESPONSE TO DOG WASTE NOT BEING REMOVED FROM STREETS, SIDEWALKS, PUBLIC PARKS. CURRENTLY, WE'RE GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT, HOWEVER IT'S VERY HARD TO ENFORCE. WE HAD TO SEE IT IN THE ACT, MAKE CONTACT WITH THAT PERSON, EXPLAIN WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THEM, AND HOPE THAT THEY DO THAT IN THE FUTURE. EVERY CITY, ALONG WITH CARROLLTON, REQUIRES THAT EVERYONE CLEAN UP AFTER THEIR ANIMAL. THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A SHIFT TOWARD REQUIRING THAT THE PERSON HAVE DOG WASTE REMOVAL BAGS ON THEIR PERSON IF THEY'RE OUT WALKING THEIR DOG OUTSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY. THAT WAY, IT'S ESSENTIALLY EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF PICKING UP AFTER THEIR DOG, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE BAGS ON THEM. 
          >> AGREE. >> THIS IS A HOT BUTTON FOR MANY 
          PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. >> THIS ONE IT WOULD BE ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX TO ADDRESS THAT, WE WOULD EXCLUDE AREAS THAT ALREADY HAVE DOG WASTE BAGS PROVIDED LIKE DOG PARKS. 
          >> MOST OF THESE DON'T HAVE THIS NOW IS WHAT I'M READING? 
          >> THIS IS A NEW SHIFT, PLANO BEING A GOOD MODEL OF ORDINANCE 
          FOR THAT. THOUGHTS? >> I'LL SHARE. THOSE ADVERTISEMENTS THAT NO ONE LIKES THAT GET THROWN, IF YOU'RE WITHOUT A BAG THAT WORKS REALLY WELL. 
          >> THERE YOU GO. >> A GREAT RECYCLING 
          OPPORTUNITY. >> IT IS. 
          >> I THINK YOU HAD CONSENSUS. >> THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A NEW VENTURE WE'RE SEEING IN THE COMMUNITY IN URBAN BEEKEEPING. I LIKE TO SAY FIRST AND FOREMOST, ANIMAL SERVICES, WE PROMOTE THE BEES, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT. FOLKS THAT ARE WANTING TO DO BEEHIVES AT HOME, FOR THEIR OWN HONEY, CAN CAUSE A DISTURBANCE TO THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IN GENERAL. RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO ORDINANCE THAT PREVENTS OR REQUIRES ANYTHING IF SOMEONE WANTS TO KEEP BEES IN THEIR BACKYARD. THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT WE CAN DO TO PUT GUIDE RAILS ON THAT. JUST, A COUPLE OF QUICK FACTS TO REALLY DRIVE IT HOME, THESE CAN TRAVEL UP TO A MILE OR TWO WHEN THEIR FORAGING, THE BIGGER CONCERN, THOUGH, IS THEY NEED WATER IN THE SUMMER TO KEEP THE HIVE COOL, IF THEY'RE NOT PROVIDED WATER IN THEIR BACKYARD, THE NEIGHBORS POOL IS GOING TO BE THERE WATER SOURCE. 
          AND YOU HAVE POTENTIALLY THOUSANDS OF BEES IN SOMEONE'S 
          BACKYARD. >> WHAT'S INVOLVED IN A PERMIT, 
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          THEN? >> SIMPLY IDENTIFYING HOW MANY HIVES THEY HAVE, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, THEIR ADDRESSES SO WE 
          KNOW WHERE TO RESPOND. >> SO IT'S NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T DO IT, IT'S JUST SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE REGISTERED. 
          >> EXACTLY. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS IN CONFORMITY WITH THE TEXAS BEST PRACTICES FOR BEEKEEPING IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, ENSURING THAT ITS SETBACK FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR'S FENCE, PROVIDING A FLIGHTPATH THAT'S NOT INTO SOMEONE'S BACKYARD, THAT BEES ARE COMING IN AND OUT OF AND ENSURING THAT THERE IS WATER ON 
          SITE ARE THE BIG ONES. >> THOSE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT A PERMIT? OR ISSUE A PERMIT? DO WE HAVE AN EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO THAT THAT WE REFERENCE? 
          >> THE STIPULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD, THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE AN EXPERT TO WEIGH IN ON. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL LANGUAGE RIGHT OUT OF THE 
          STATE'S RECOMMENDATIONS. >> ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE AN 
          INSPECTION WITH THE PERMIT? >> WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE AN INSPECTION, THE PERMIT WOULD ALLOW US TO KNOW WHERE THESE 
          BEES ARE. >> PRESUMABLY, WHOEVER IS GOING TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT IS GOING TO BE A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON. 
          AND WHEN THEY READ YOUR STATE-LEVEL DOCUMENTATION, THEY'RE GOING TO , IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT THEY'RE NOT, MAYBE A POOL IS INVESTED WITH BEES, THEN YOU INSPECT AND THIS IS NOT A PERMITTED BEEKEEPING, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? 
          >> IN THAT INSTANCE, WE'D BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM THE CORRECT PATHWAY TO DO THIS AND ACHIEVE THE PERMIT. ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO THEN MAINTAIN THEIR BEEKEEPING WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS, THEN NO FURTHER ENFORCEMENT NEEDED. 
          >> DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY BEEHIVES WE HAVE IN THE CITY? 
          >> A GREAT QUESTION, WE DON'T. WE KNOW OF A HANDFUL , WE HAVE GOTTEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM. I WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE ARE MORE 
          OUT THERE. >> I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE FOLLOW-UP, HOW MANY FOLKS HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS THAT WE 
          BROUGHT IT TO THIS POINT? >> I WOULD SAY, IT'S A SMALL NUMBER THAT WE'VE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM, BUT IT'S OF 
          HIGH CONCERN TO THEM. >> ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE 
          ALLERGIC. >> I GET IT. I'M ALSO SENSITIVE TO OVERREACH. AS YOU THINK ABOUT, IS THERE VALUE IN US KNOWING, FOR INSTANCE, MOSQUITO SPRING OR OTHER , IS THERE VALUE IN THE CITIES KNOWING WHERE THESE BEEHIVES ARE AT? THAT WE CAN USE AS A POSITIVE VERSUS A NEGATIVE? 
          >> I WOULD ANSWER THAT THERE IS A BENEFIT TO KNOWING WHERE THEY 
          ARE. >> THROUGH NEXT-DOOR, SOMETIMES THEY PICK UP AND MOVE AND SOMETIMES YOU WANT TO SEND THEM BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM. I HAVE A CURIOSITY QUESTION, IN CARROLLTON, RELATIVELY ABOUT THE SAME SIZE. WITH THE SPACING REQUIREMENTS PROHIBIT OR ALLOW MOST LOTS IN CARROLLTON TO FIND 
          A SPOT TO PUT ONE IN? >> FAIR QUESTION. THAT'S ONE INSTANCE WHERE WE'RE LESS STRINGENT THAN THE STATE REQUIREMENTS. I BELIEVE THE STATE RECOMMENDED 25 FEET OFF OF THE FENCE WHICH IS NOT CONDUCIVE FOR CARROLLTON. I THINK WE 
          LANDED AT 10. >> IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YARD. 
          >> 10 IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. >> IS THERE A BEEKEEPING CERTIFICATION? BE FRIENDLY CITY OR SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN, BY KNOWING WHERE THEY'RE AT THAT YOU CAN LEVERAGE? I'M GOING BACK TO THE POSITIVES. THERE'S PROBABLY 1000 GOOD REASONS TO DO THIS. RIGHT? VERSUS BEING OVERREACHING. SUDDENLY ADDING YET ANOTHER REQUIREMENT. I THINK THERE'S RESPONSIBLE BEEKEEPING AND THERE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE BEEKEEPING. DO WE KNOW IF , RVS 
          ARE IMPORTANT TO US. >> THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT, YES. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT THAT PRACTICE, SOMEONE IS DOING IT CORRECTLY. THOSE ARE OFTEN NOT THE ONES THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, THEY ARE DOING IT CORRECTLY SO WE DON'T RECEIVE COMPLAINTS ON 
          IT. >> OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? THIS IS NOT SAYING YES, IT'S NOW LAW, THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE FENCE, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY CONSENSUS, THAT'S FINE. WE'LL HAVE 
          ANOTHER BITE AT THIS APPLE. >> OKAY, I'M NOT SEEING A 
          CONSENSUS ON THIS ONE. OKAY. >> THE LAST PUBLIC DRIVEN CONCERN THAT WE RECEIVED A FEW YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A NEW ESTABLISHMENT OPEN IN CARROLLTON , THEIR SOLE BUSINESS IS SELLING DOGS. WE RECEIVED A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THIS PLACE. THE CONCERN BEING, ONE, THAT IT COMPETES WITH ADOPTIONS, THE 
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LEVEL OF CARE BEHIND-THE-SCENES AT THIS FACILITY, AS WELL AS CONCERNS REGARDING BREEDING. WE DID RESPOND, WE DID AN INSPECTION ON THE PROPERTY AND FOUND NONE OF THOSE TO BE THE CASE. THOSE ANIMALS ARE WELL CARED FOR. THE REAL CONCERN COMES BACK TO, SHOULD THIS ESTABLISHMENT BE WITHIN THE CITY OF CARROLLTON AND COMPETE WITH OUR ADOPTION OPERATION KINDNESS? RIGHT NOW, THESE ESTABLISHMENTS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT, ANYONE COULD OPEN ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS. THERE MAY BE ZONING RESTRICTIONS, THOUGH. THIS IS ONE THAT'S BEEN PRESSING WITH THE STATE AS WELL THE LAST FEW LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS, FIVE BILLS HAVE BEEN FILED TO PROHIBIT THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES STATEWIDE. NONE OF THEM HAVE PASSED SO FAR. THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS PASSED PREEMPTED CITIES FROM TAKING ACTION TO PROHIBIT THESE. 
          HOWEVER, THESE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER APPEAL, SO, THIS IS NOT 
          CURRENTLY IN PRACTICE. >> SO, THERE'S AN APPEAL THAT'S FILED WITH THE COURT OF APPEALS ON A PASSED BILL. 
          >> CORRECT. >> AND WE'RE CONSIDERING ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE THAT SUPPORTS THE STATE BILL FOR 
          PROHIBITING IT? >> IT DEPENDS ON WHICH BILL, THERE'S THE BILLS THAT DID NOT PASS WOULD PROHIBIT THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, THE BILL THAT PASSED IS IN SUPPORT OF THESE 
          BUSINESSES STAYING. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. SO, THE BILL THAT PASSED, WHICH IS UNDER APPEAL, ALLOWS BASICALLY ALLOWS STATE LAW ALLOWS THESE TO EXIST. 
          >> CORRECT. >> HOW DOES OUR ORDINANCE, THEN, 
          COEXIST WITH THAT? >> UNTIL THE APPEAL IS RESOLVED, THE ORDINANCE MAY NOT BE AFFECTED. WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS IF COUNCIL SUPPORTS BANNING THEM IN WHATEVER FORM WE LAND ON, WHICH I'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON. WE MAY BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT ON THE BOOKS PRIOR TO THE STATE LAW GOING INTO EFFECT. THE ONE THAT DID PASS , IF YOU HAD AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS IN EFFECT PRIOR, THEN IT DID NOT PREEMPT THAT PROHIBITION. 
          >> OKAY, SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT SOME OTHER SLIDES. 
          >> THIS ONE WE HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS WE COULD DO IT. 
          ONE OF WHICH WE COULD PASS WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITION ON NEW BUSINESSES. ANY BUSINESS THAT WANTS TO COME TO CARROLLTON COULD STILL DO ADOPTABLE ANIMALS FROM A 501(C)(3) RESCUE. BUT, NOT THE HIGH-END BREEDER ANIMALS. OPTION TWO WOULD BE TO PROHIBIT THE ONE EXISTING ONE WITHIN THE CITY OF CARROLLTON. 
          AND OPTION THREE BEING NO ACTION ALLOWED BY RIGHT. 
          >> IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU DON'T, IT LOOKS LIKE LENA REQUIRES A PERMIT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. IS THERE A REASON WHY 
          THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE OPTIONS? >> THAT IS ANOTHER VALID OPTION AS WELL. THERE IS AN INSPECTION PROCESS FROM WHAT I'VE GATHERED WITH THAT, THEY PERMIT REQUIRED OPERATION BEING THE TWO THAT WE IDENTIFIED TO HAVE PROHIBITED THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESS. 
          >> DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY OF THESE DO WE KNOW OF THE 
          ONE? >> ONE IN CARROLLTON, AND TO REITERATE THIS WOULD NOT IMPACT , THEY'RE NOT SELLING DOGS AND CATS, AND IT'S LIMITED TO DOGS AND CATS, BIRDS, FISH, REPTILE 
          WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED. >> OKAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON OPTIONS ONE, TWO, THREE OR THE PERMIT? 
          >> I ALWAYS SAID WITH THE GUYS OUTSIDE SWINGING THE SIGN THAT SAYS PUPPIES AND I WONDER, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS? ON THE OTHER HAND, I UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT OF A BUSINESS TO OPERATE. 
          IT'S A CHALLENGE TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST PATH FORWARD. 
          >> IF THEY'RE NOT SELLING SICK ANIMALS. AND THEY HAVE THEIR 
          SHOTS. >> SEEMS LIKE THE PERMIT MIGHT 
          BE A GOOD IDEA. >> WITH THE PERMIT PROCESS ALLOW ANNUAL VISITS OR SOMETHING? DO WE JUST PERMIT ONCE, ARE THEY, 
          WHAT'S >> WE COULD DRAFT IT THAT WAY. 
          THERE IS NO FACILITIES THAT ANIMAL SERVICES ARE CURRENTLY DOING ROUTINE INSPECTIONS ON. BUT, THIS COULD BE A STARTING 
          POINT. >> AND WHAT ABOUT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE? WHAT IS THE CURRENT ZONING REQUIREMENT? 
          >> I'M NOT AWARE OF A ZONING REQUIREMENT. 
          >> SO THERE'S NO SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIRED FOR SOMETHING 
          LIKE THIS. >> THERE'S NOT. 
          >> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY IS CONSIDERED TO EVALUATE THESE IN ADDITION TO A PERMIT? 
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          >> THAT COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL OPTION AS WELL. 
          >> WE'RE THROWING A FEW IDEAS THAT ARE ALL VALUE ADDED, I THINK. WHY DON'T YOU BRING THIS BACK TO US? AND IT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK WITH THE OTHERS, BUT LET'S REVISIT SOME OF THESE OTHER IDEAS AND WHERE YOU ALL LANDED BASED ON THAT. 
          >> SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. >> THAT WAS EVERYTHING I HAD. 
          >> WE'VE COVERED DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO NUMBER FIVE, CHANGING MAIN AND FOURTH STREET TO ONE-WAY STREETS AS PART OF THE QUIET ZONE PHASE THREE 
          PROJECT. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. TONIGHT, WE WILL DISCUSS SWAPPING MAIN AND FOURTH STREETS ON THE EASTERNMOST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN TO ONE-WAY STREETS, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON QUIET ZONES, QUIET ZONE THREE, WHY STAFF BELIEVES THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, AND CORRECT DECISION. AND THEN, OUR GOAL TONIGHT IS TO SEEK GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL ON TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SWAPPING THESE TWO SECTIONS OF MAINE AND FORTH TO ONE-WAY STREETS. SO, A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON QUIET ZONES IN THE CITY. 
          WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PHASES OF QUIET ZONES, THE INITIAL QUIET ZONE PHASE STARTED WITH THE NORTHERNMOST CROSSINGS, AS WELL AS THE CTA QUIET ZONES , WHICH ALSO ROLLED OVER TO DARK, QUIET ZONES SO, THAT WAS PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO WAS THE REMAINDER OF THE QUIET ZONES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PERRY, TOWARD DOWNTOWN. 
          AND SILVER LINE RAIL, THE ENTIRETY OF THE SILVER LINE RAIL AREA WAS , HAS GONE INTO EFFECT IS A QUIET ZONE. RECENTLY, JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. THAT'S THE BACKGROUND OF IT. WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS IN DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE DOWNTOWN BE A QUIET ZONE. THERE'S 10 CROSSINGS DOWNTOWN, THERE ARE SEVEN DGN TO CROSSINGS THAT OPERATE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF DOWNTOWN, AND THERE ARE THREE THAT OPERATE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF I-35, DOWNTOWN. SO, ALL OF THESE AREAS ARE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS QUIET ZONE PHASE THREE. AS YOU MAY RECALL, COUNCIL APPROVED THE CONTRACT FOR DESIGN FOR QUITE ZONE THREE IN AUGUST OF 2024, AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE WAS FROM JULY OF 2025, THAT WAS TO LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY DOWNTOWN CROSSINGS. AS ONE-WAY STREETS. AS WELL AS DESIGN CONTRACT IN JULY 2025. CURRENT ESTIMATE , WE REALLY DISCUSSED AND THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE 7 1/2 MILLION TO DO THESE QUIET ZONES. WE'VE COME BACK AFTER DESIGNERS LOOKED AT IT AND TALK TO DGNO, AND THAT ESTIMATE HAS DROPPED TO 3.4 MILLION. THAT'S DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DECIDE. FROM A DIRECTION GOING FORWARD FROM TONIGHT. SPECIFICALLY, THE DOWNTOWN ONCE WE'RE LOOKING AT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY POTENTIALLY MAKING ONE-WAY LONG-TERM. WOULD BE THESE FOUR ON MAIN AND FOURTH. 
          SPECIFICALLY TONIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TWO EASTERNMOST. 
          NOT ALL FOUR, JUST THE TWO EASTERNMOST TONIGHT. MOSTLY BECAUSE THERE'S PART OF A LONG-TERM MASTER PLAN WITH DOWNTOWN ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. SO, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THE TWO WAY, I GOT THE TWO WAY DESIGN, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH OUR CONSULTANT. OUR STAFF CONCERN OF MAKING THESE WHEN WE INITIALLY WAS, WHAT IMPACTS TO THE BUSINESS? THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWNTOWN, HOW DO WE MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS? AND THEN WE GOT THE TWO WE DESIGN BACK. THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH TWO WAY DESIGNS, AND I HAVE THE FOURTH STREET DESIGN COMING UP ON THE NEXT SLIDE. NUMBER ONE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR A QUIET ZONE WITH TWO WAY IS, NON-TRAVERSABLE BARRIER OR MEDIUM, AND THAT , ON MAIN STREET, LIMITS ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOT, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, TO WESTBOUND TRAFFIC ONLY. SO YOU COULD NOT, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCESS IT TO PARK IN THE PARKING LOT, AND YOU CAME DOWN BROADWAY 
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AND TURN LEFT ON MAIN STREET, YOU CANNOT ACTUALLY ACCESS THE PARKING LOT. IT EFFECTIVELY WOULD MAKE IT A ONE-WAY STREET, AS WELL AS, THERE IS AN ALLEY JUST WEST OF THE RAIL LINE, THAT YOU CAN ONLY ACCESS IT FROM THAT EASTERN DIRECTION. AND THEN, ON THE FOURTH AVENUE, IF YOU CAME AND TRIED TO GET AND YOU CAME ON FOURTH AVENUE YOU WOULD BE FORCED TO GO BACK AROUND IN A CIRCLE. AGAIN, NON-TRAVERSABLE BARRIER, LIMITS ACCESS TO PARKING LOTS AS WELL AS THE APARTMENT COMPLEX PARKING JUST AT THE EAST, SO, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OVER HERE. SO, IT WOULD LIMIT ACCESS, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE REQUIRED FOR QUIET ZONES WITH TWO WAY STREET. SO, STAFF LOOKED AT THIS FROM A STANDPOINT OF, THE LONG TERM PLAN, FOR THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WHILE IT DOESN'T, AFTER SPEAKING FURTHER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN DESIGNER, IT DOESN'T EXPLICITLY IDENTIFY ONE-WAY STREETS . INSTEAD, IT LEAVES IT UP TO THE DETERMINATION OF STAFF'S DISCRETION. OUR STAFF LOOKED AT IT AND IMMEDIATELY SAW IT AS A ONE-WAY, WHICH IS WHY WE SOUGHT ALIGN WITH THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN MAKING IT ONE-WAY. NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THESE DESIGNS BACK, WE SEE IT EVEN MORE SO. AS A ONE-WAY COUPLET. PART OF THAT IS DUE TO THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN IS REGULARLY REFERS TO WALK ABILITY AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ACCESS OF DOWNTOWN , THE RIGHT OF WAYS A LITTLE BIT NARROW, THERE'S PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET. WE BELIEVE THE ONE-WAY STREETS WILL HELP IMPROVE WALK ABILITY IN THESE SECTIONS, SO, THAT'S WHY OUR INITIAL THOUGHT WAS LOOKING AT IT AS A ONE-WAY STREET. SPECIFICALLY AFTER WE GOT BACK THESE QUIET ZONE DESIGNS. SO, HOW WOULD TRAFFIC FLOW IN THE EVENT OF ONE-WAY STREETS? THIS ISN'T A TOMORROW THING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE CHANGES TOMORROW. THIS IS A GUIDANCE TO MOVE FORWARD ON OUR DESIGN. TRAFFIC FLOW FOR ONE-WAY DOWNTOWN, SWAPPING THE MAIN AND FOURTH STREET CROSSINGS ON THE EAST SIDE TO ONE-WAY, IT WOULD START AT ELM AND EAST WOULD BE THE ONE-WAY SECTION, SO YOU COULD HAD WESTBOUND ON MAIN STREET, AND BROADWAY WOULDN'T CHANGE, ELM STREET CURRENTLY IS ONE-WAY ON THE DOWNTOWN, SOUTHBOUND, SO YOU HEAD WEST ON MAIN STREET, TURN SOUTH ON BROADWAY AND HEAD EAST OR SOUTH AND HEAD EAST ON FOURTH, WE WOULD ALLOW FOR ACCESS, STILL, ON MAIN STREET EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, BUT RIGHT AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS YOU'D BE FORCED TO HEAD SOUTH TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX PARKING LOT TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THAT. SO, THIS WOULD ULTIMATELY BE THE FLOW, AGAIN, IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT NOW THIS IS, WE'RE JUST IN DESIGN. SO, OUR GUIDANCE TONIGHT IS, ON THE EASTBOUND SIDE, OPTION ONE IS MAIN STREET FOR THE REMAINING TWO WAY, SO, AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION ONCE WE GET THERE AND DESIGN WILL HAVE TO NOTIFY BUSINESSES OF THE CHANGES, BECAUSE OF THE NON-TRANSVERSAL MEDIANS. OPTION TWO, MAIN STREET ONE-WAY WESTBOUND, FOURTH STREET ONE-WAY EASTBOUND. IT ULTIMATELY REDUCES THE CONSTRUCTION BY ABOUT HALF $1 MILLION. BUT, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO GO BECAUSE IT WILL BE AFFECTING THEM. 
          THAT'S THE GUIDANCE WE HAVE THAT WE'RE SEEKING. AND APPROVED SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING WE HAVE GOING ON DOWNTOWN. 
          >> AND WE TALKED TO THE HDC A ABOUT THIS? THAT'S PART OF OUR 
          WORK PLAN ? >> ABSOLUTELY. 
          >> AND NOBODY'S HOLDING YOU TO IT BUT, ASSUMING DESIGN GOES AS PLANNED, WHAT IS THE TIMING ON CONSTRUCTION AND THEREFORE THE 
          TIMING OF THIS BEING ONE-WAY? >> IT DEPENDS ON FUNDING. WE CURRENTLY ONLY HAVE THE FUNDING ALLOCATED FOR THE DESIGN PORTION OF THIS. WE REACHED OUT FOR POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES, THEY DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE EITHER. SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TOLD US , GET THROUGH YOUR DESIGN AND SUBMIT IT TO US. 
          WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU. RIGHT NOW WE'RE WAITING ON FINALIZING DESIGN, FINALIZING THE PLAN, REACHING OUT AND SAYING, HERE'S A PROJECT WE'VE GOT, WE KNOW YOU'RE INTERESTED, ESPECIALLY HELPING MAKE THEM , SO, THAT'S ALL IN OUR PLAN. 
          >> IF YOU WERE A BETTING MAN, IS THIS 28, 29, 30 TIMEFRAME? 
          >> I THINK, I WOULD ASSUME 28, 29. 
          >> IT'S SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU CAN MANAGE , YOU CAN MANAGE 
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THE PUBLIC, YOU CAN MANAGE THE LECTERN, SUDDENLY CREATES A CHALLENGE. I BROUGHT IT UP AT OUR LAST MEETING WHEN WE WERE FOCUSING ON QUIET ZONES, AND I REMINDED THEM OF OURS. WE HAVE 
          QUESTIONS. >> WE CALL AND THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, THE ONE-WAY STREET EVEN BEING MENTIONED. I WOULD HESITATE, ONE OF THE REASONS TO DO, THE ONE BY BABES IS BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T TURN IN BECAUSE OF THE BARRIER IN THE ROAD. WHEN YOU MAKE IT ONE-WAY, THEY CAN'T COME FROM THAT DIRECTION ANYWAY. 
          THEY STILL HAVE TO GO AROUND THE MULBERRY BUSH, IT DOESN'T REALLY GET A LOT, THERE. MY OTHER MAIN CONCERN IS, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE, TWO WAY STREET COMING DOWN FROM THE APARTMENTS. AND YOU REALLY ALMOST NEED TO PUT IN SOME KIND OF BARRIER SYSTEM TO STOP THEM, AND I CAN'T RECALL WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS WITH THAT CROSSING, WHAT THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF THE CURBS IN THE STREET WERE TO THAT ONE. SO, I WOULD SAY I HESITATE TO DO THIS, I WASHED SAN ANTONIO 20 YEARS AGO SWISHED THEIR STREETS TO GO ONE WAY AND WENT BACK TO TWO WAY. A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE FINDING THAT THEY PREFER TWO RIVERS IS ONE-WAY, ONE WAY BECOMES FASTER. THERE'S ALSO THE PARKING ON THE STREET COLUMNS THINGS. I WOULD SUGGEST NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS WITHOUT TALKING IT THROUGH MORE. 
          I HAVE SERIOUS HESITATION ON THE BENEFIT OF THIS. 
          >> WE HAVE TO HEAR BACK BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING. BUT, THE ONE-WAY TRAFFIC, THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC, AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON ELM STREET. OF CLOSING THAT TO EXTEND THE SQUARE, AND FORCING THE CIRCLE, THE CIRCLE PATTERN TO GO DOWN TO FOURTH STREET. THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT EITHER. THE POINT IS THAT AS WE THINK ABOUT OUR DOWNTOWN WHETHER IT'S THAT SQUARE OR WHETHER IT'S THE SQUARE DOWN BELOW, AS WE THINK ABOUT THESE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENTS, AND GETTING THE MOST OUT OF YOUR DOWNTOWN, CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN WE SHOULD BE, THESE ARE THINGS WE SHOULD CONSIDER BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING A FIRM DECISION. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR DOWNTOWN. 
          OTHER THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS? >> ONE THING, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE GOOGLE MAPS AND WAYS TO SHOW STREETS IS ONE-WAY. WHICH WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO NAVIGATE. IF YOU'RE GOING IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, AND THERE IS A RAISED MEDIAN AND YOU CANNOT TURN INTO THAT PARKING LOT YOU WON'T KNOW WHAT UNTIL YOU GET THERE. IF WE CHANGE THEM TO ONE WAY WE FEEL IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO NAVIGATE. YOU SEE A LOT OF SMALL TOWNS, IN AND AROUND TEXAS WITH ONE-WAY STREETS AROUND THEIR CENTER SQUARES, AND IT'S A 
          COMMON OCCURRENCE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IN THE WORLD WHERE WE WENT TO ONE-WAY STREETS, WOULD THEY STILL HAVE TWO LANES? OR WOULD WE MAKE IT ONE LANE? THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE, IF IT WAS JUST ONE LANE, WITHOUT GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY, I GUESS WOULD HAVE TO GIVE UP RIGHT AWAY OR SOMETHING. BUT TO PROVIDE PARKING OR TO PROVIDE LARGER SIDEWALKS WHERE YOU COULD HAVE DINING OUTSIDE OR THINGS LIKE 
          THAT. I DON'T KNOW. >> WHAT DOES 1A MEAN? DOES IT 
          MEAN WE HAVE TWO LANES OR ONE? >> THAT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT AS PART OF TRAFFIC STUDIES. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO BRING THEM DOWN TO ONE LANE? OR MAKE SENSE TO KEEP THEM AS TWO LANES? SO, SOME OF THE AREAS, AS WERE MENTIONED THAT ARE ONE-WAY AND DOWNTOWN ARE ONE LANE STREETS. ELM STREET HEADING SOUTHBOUND IS A ONE-WAY STREET. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED THROUGH 
          FURTHER STUDIES. >> THE PARKING IS ONE, PARKING IS ALWAYS A CONCERN EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A TON OF PARKING. IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN, AND IF THIS DOESN'T BENEFIT FROM IT AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER. 
          >> RIGHT THERE WHERE FOURTH AND MAIN MEET, BY TWISTED BURGER, THAT ARROW IS INDICATING DOWN INTO THE PARKING LOT. 
          >> ARE CORRECT. WE WOULD PUT IN SOME KIND OF BARRIER TO THE 
          LEFT. >> WOULD TRAFFIC BE ALLOWED UP 
          AS WELL? >> YOU COULD GO THIS WAY, TWO 
          WAYS . >> THIS IS CONFUSING. 
          >> SO, IT WOULD BE, THANK YOU. >> THE PARKING LOT IS A TWO WAY 
          JUST AS THE ROAD IS A TWO WAY. >> IT'S, I'M TORN, HERE. I 
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KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES FOR THE CUSTOMERS TO COME IN. HOWEVER, AS WE IMPROVE ON THE WALK ABILITY , THAT MIGHT EVENTUALLY BE HELPFUL TO THEM. 
          THE ONE-WAY AND WALK ABILITY BECAUSE IT WILL BRING MORE PEOPLE IN. I AGREE. TALK TO DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK, AND THE TIMELINE AS WELL. 
          >> I AGREE. THE IMPORTANT PIECE HERE WOULD BE THE PARKING THAT WOULD BE ENABLED BY A ONE-WAY, THE WALK ABILITY WITH THE SIDEWALKS, THAT IN ITSELF, THAT IMPROVEMENT I THINK, IF YOU WERE TO BRING THAT TO BUSINESSES WITH THAT, THAT WOULD BE A MORE 
          COMPELLING ARGUMENT. >> HAVE YOU GUYS PROVIDED A TRAFFIC STUDY OR SOME TYPE OF SIMULATION? 
          >> THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP FOR US. THIS IS AN INITIAL, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, AND WE'RE GREATLY CONCERNED WITH THE TWO-WAY. AND WE SAW, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THOSE NON-TRANSMISSIBLE MEDIANS, AND PREVENTING ACCESS. WE FELT LIKE PEOPLE WOULD GET LOST IN THE AREA. AS WELL AS SPECIFICALLY, THE ONE ON MAIN STREET HEADING SOUTH. WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN THAT NEEDS TO PARK OVER HERE WOULD HAVE TO CIRCLE AROUND, AND GO BACK TO THE PARKING GARAGE. THAT WAS ONE OF OUR LARGE 
          CONCERNS. >> I THINK WITH THE ONE-WAY AND TWO-WAY, WE MAY HAVE TO PUT IT IN IS THE CONCERN. BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PEEP PEOPLE FROM DRIVING THE WRONG WAY ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS WHETHER IT'S ONE-WAY OR TWO-WAY. 
          >> THAT'S WHY WE WERE GOING TO DO SIGNAGE. 
          >> I THINK THEY WANTED YOU DO IT WITH SIGNAGE. I THINK IT WILL REQUIRE YOU TO PUT A BARRIER. THAT'S THE WHOLE THING, NO DING 'S SINCE THERE'S NO SOUND, THERE'S GOT TO BE NO WAY. 
          >> NOW, THIS DOWNTOWN, WHAT I MEAN RIGHT THERE, IS THAT NOT 
          THE QUIET ZONE? >> IT'S NOT TODAY. 
          >> I THOUGHT IT WAS. >> WE'VE ORDERED THE DESIGN AND THIS IS PART OF THE DESIGN OUTCOME. AND THEN WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE, BUT IT'S, NOTHINGS APPROVED YET. 
          >> ALL OF THESE ARE CURRENTLY NOT DOWNTOWN, WHEN YOU GET TO THE YELLOW DOTS AT THE TOP, MOVING SOUTH, AT THE LINE GOING SOUTH, NONE OF THAT IS A QUIET ZONE. 
          >> THE QUIET ZONES ARE UP ON SILVER LINE. 
          >> I COULD HAVE SWORE. >> THAT'S THE ONE THAT BLARES OUT THREE NATIONS BREWERY. OKAY. SO, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM COUNCIL TONIGHT IN TERMS OF, YOU GOT MORE WORK TO DO. AND SOME VETTING, AND TELL US WHAT IT MEANS TO PARKING AND SO FORTH. I DON'T THINK WE'VE GIVEN YOU -- 
          >> NOT NECESSARILY A DECISION, BUT 
          >> CAN I ASK A FOLLOW-UP ON COUNCILMAN KLEIN'S POINT, IF THE BARRIERS ARE REQUIRED, DON'T WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM FOR ACCESSING SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES? IT SEEMS, 
          >> SO OUR VIEWPOINT OF IT IS WHEN YOU MAKE IT ONE WAY, YOU'RE ABLE TO CIRCLE AND ACCESS IT, VERSUS, THE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC FLOW REQUIRES, IF YOU'RE HEADING EASTBOUND ON MAIN STREET YOU CAN'T ACCESS THE NORTH, SO IF YOU TURN SOUTH ON FOURTH, AND YOU CIRCLE BACK AROUND, YOU'RE STILL STUCK . SO, THAT'S, IF YOU TURN LEFT TO GO DOWN TO BELTLINE AND COME BACK AROUND AGAIN, YOU CAN'T TURN RIGHT, YOU END UP FINDING A WAY TO TURN AROUND AND HEAD WEST ON MAIN STREET. VERSUS A CIRCLE. 
          >> I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IF YOU GOT TWO WAY TRAFFIC THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIEST, I WOULD THINK, FOR THE PATRONS TO FIND THE RESTAURANTS. BUT THE ONE WAY WOULD BE, OVERALL, A LITTLE BIT 
          -- >> THE RAISED MEDIAN IS PREVENTING YOU FROM TURNING INTO THE BUSINESS. THAT'S THE 
          PROBLEM WITH THE TWO-WAY. >> IT'S NOT THERE TODAY. WE'RE 
          GOING TO REQUIRE THIS. >> I THOUGHT THAT WAS YOUR POINT, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S ONE-WAY OR TWO-WAY, YOU ARE STILL GOING TO BE CHALLENGED TO 
          TURN INTO THOSE. >> YES. YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET TO BABES FROM THE WEST GOING EASTBOUND , PERIOD, NOW. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AROUND THE MULBERRY BUSH, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. MY OTHER CONCERN IS THE OTHER ONE, WHEN YOU'RE COMING SOUTH AND YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO TURN INTO THAT DRIVE EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACK, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE YOU PUT THAT BARRIER CURB UP IF YOU'RE GOING TO QUIET ZONE IT. YOU HAVE GOT TO STOP PEOPLE FROM DRIVING ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACK THE WRONG 
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WAY. THE FACT THAT YOU GOT A TWO WAY ENTERING THE INTERSECTION, THE WHOLE THING IS, IF YOU LISTEN TO TRAIN CONDUCTORS, THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO RUN INTO CARS. IF YOU'RE REQUIRING THEM TO NOT USE THEIR HORNS, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER IT 
          TAKES. >> I'D NEED MORE INFORMATION, FOR SURE. LET'S TAKE THE NEXT STEP. AND LET US HEAR FROM 
          DOWNTOWN. >> SO, JUST TO MAKE SURE I GOT CLEAR DIRECTION, WE WILL VISIT WITH OUR CONSULTANT AND HAVE THEM RUN SOME OF THE SIMULATIONS, AS YOU REQUESTED. 
          AS WELL AS ANSWER BARRIER WITH THE CENTER SECTION. MAKE SURE WHETHER OR NOT IT IS ALLOWED. THAT WAS A CONCERN. WE'LL VISIT WITH THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON ASSOCIATION, GET THEIR CONCERNS, SHOW THEM BOTH LAYOUTS , ONCE WE HAVE THAT, AND 
          BRING THAT BACK. >> SOUNDS LIKE A WINNER. 
          >> COUNCIL, WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN OUR WORK SESSION. WE'RE COMING BACK IN HERE AFTER. AND WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONVENE AT THE DAIS, 
          [INVOCATION - Councilmember Andrew Palacios]
          >> CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE CITY OF CARROLLTON, APPRECIATE EVERYONE JOINING US. AS WE ALWAYS DO, WE WILL START OUR MEETING WITH OUR INVOCATION, LED BY COUNCILMEMBER ANDREW PALACIOS, AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COUNCILMEMBER KIM NANCY CLINE. PLEASE RISE IF YOU'RE ABLE. 
          >> LET'S BOW OUR HEADS. HEAVENLY FATHER, AS WE GATHER TONIGHT FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE'RE NOT ASHAMED TO EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE FOR THIS WONDERFUL CITY AND FOR THE CHANCE TO SERVE ONE ANOTHER. TONIGHT, WE SEEK YOUR WISDOM AND GUIDANCE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS FOR OUR CITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALWAYS WORKING IN YOUR PERFECT PLAN FOR 
          US. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE, TEXAS, ONE STATE, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE. 
          >> THAT TAKES US TO OUR CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THAT'S ITEMS NUMBER NINE THROUGH 23, TO MAKE A COMMENT. 
          WE WILL HAVE SEPARATE CONSIDERATIONS FOR ITEMS NUMBER 24, 25, AND 26, AND A PUBLIC FORUM AT THE END OF THE MEETING. 
          I WILL START WITH OUR CITIZEN COMMENT. THIS IS FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER NINE THROUGH 23. I DO HAVE THREE CARDS, FOR INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THAT. AGAIN, DOESN'T INDICATE IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC ITEM. 
          I'LL JUST ASK FOR CLARITY WHEN YOU APPROACH, WHICH ITEM YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON. MY FIRST SPEAKER IS STEVE BEARMAN. SO, THIS IS 24, THANK YOU. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK ON THAT ONE. MY NEXT ONE IS JEFF . IS THAT ALSO ON 24? OKAY, 24. AND THEN, MY LAST CARD IS CAROL ROSA. OKAY, 24 AS WELL? OKAY. THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. IF ANYONE WISHES TO APPROACH THE PODIUM, YOU MAY 
          [CONSENT AGENDA ]
DO SO NOW TO SPEAK ON THOSE ITEMS. SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. WITH THAT THAT TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER NINE THROUGH 23. 
          I'LL REMIND YOU THAT ITEM NUMBER 18 IS AS AMENDED. DEPUTY 
          MAYOR PRO TEM PALOMO. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER NINE THROUGH 
          23, AND NUMBER 18 IS STIPULATED. >> AND MAYOR PRO TEM AXBERG? 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION. 
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          >> I HAVE A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM COLUMBO AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM AXBERG, TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER NINE THROUGH 23. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE I WILL CALL THE BOAT. AND THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS PASSED 
          [24. Hold A Public Hearing To Consider An Ordinance Amending The Zoning For An Approximately 11.2-Acre Tract Zoned Planned Development District 39 (PD-39) For The (MF-18) Multi-Family Residential District And Located At 3500 Old Denton Road, To Repeal And Replace Ordinance No. 2905, Reestablishing Planned Development 39; To Increase The Maximum Building Height For The Assisted Living Facility To Three-Stories; To Modify Conceptual Plans And Revise Development Standards; Amending The Official Zoning Map Accordingly. Case No. PLZ 2025-132 Aspens Rosemeade Senior Living.]
UNANIMOUSLY. THAT DOES TAKE US TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, MY FIRST ITEM IS NUMBER 24, THIS IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING FOR APPROXIMATELY 11.2 ACRE TRACT ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 39 PD-39, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY A TEAM MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND LOCATED AT 3500 OLD DENTON ROAD TO REPEAL AND REPLACE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2905 , RE-ESTABLISHING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 39, TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT FOR THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY TO THREE STORIES TO MODIFY CONCEPTUAL PLANS, AND REVISE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS , AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAC ACCORDINGLY. THIS IS CASE NUMBER PLZ 2025-132 ASPENS ROSEMEAD SENIOR LIVING. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, LAUREN SCHAPIRO WITH PLANNING MANAGER. THE PD BEFORE YOU IS THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THEM COMING FORWARD AS IT RELATES TO THE ZONING IS TO MODIFY THEIR CONCEPT PLAN. AND MODIFY IT, THEY'LL HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, HOWEVER, AS STATED IN THE CAPTION, THEY'RE INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, AND ADDING SEPARATE VILLA UNITS FOR THE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. YOU MAY NOTE IN YOUR RESULTS SHEET, IT ALSO ALLOWS THEM TO KEEP THE CURRENT SITE IN PLACE, SHOULD THEY DECIDE NOT TO REDEVELOP THE SITE. AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SIMILAR CIRCULATION BUT, THEY'RE PROPOSING THREE-STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS WITH TUCK UNDER GARAGE IS ON THE CENTER PART OF THE BUILDING. THE VILLAS WILL BE ON THE PERIPHERY. THEY, TOO, WILL HAVE GARAGES AS PART OF THE UNIT. THEY HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS FROM OLD DENTON AS IS SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING SITE. THEY PROVIDED LANDSCAPING, THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE. SOME OF IT WILL REMAIN, OTHERS WILL BE ADDED. AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE CENTER PART OF THE SITE WILL HAVE THAT THREE-STORY MULTIFAMILY, THE BOTTOM STORY WILL HAVE THAT UNDERSTORY PARKING ON THE LOWER LEVEL, ON THOSE UNITS, ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE MULTIFAMILY. AND THEY PROVIDED SINGLE-STORY BILLOWS AS I MENTIONED ON THE PERIPHERY PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WHEN WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT, THE CONCERN WE LOOK AT IS THE SCALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, TO ANY ADJOINING PROPERTIES, SPECIFICALLY SINGLE-FAMILY. IN THIS INSTANCE WHILE THERE IS NO SINGLE-FAMILY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, THERE IS SINGLE-FAMILY ACROSS THE STREET, IT'S ABOUT 160 FEET ACROSS OLD DENTON. THEY DID PROVIDE A SCHEMATIC INDICATING THAT SCALE OF THE DRAWING COMPARING THE THREE-STORY TO THE EXISTING HOMES TO THE WEST. APPLICANTS PROVIDED COLOR RENDERINGS, THREE DRAWINGS PROVIDING THE MULTIFAMILY SECTION IN THE CENTER AS WELL AS THE BILLOWS, AND OF COURSE WE ALL HAVE OUR NOTICE AREA THAT GOES WITH 200 FEET OF THE SITE. I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS INDICATED IN THE CASE REPORT. WE DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL THE APPLICANTS HERE TO SPEAK AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WILLING TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL. 
          >> OKAY, COUNCIL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. BUT, I WILL FIRST SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCILMEMBER CARPENTER. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. SCHAPIRO, THE DENSITY IS NOT CHANGING WITH THIS PLOT, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? THAT WHEN YOU MAKE THE POINT OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD REMAIN THE SAME. 
          >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THAT IS MY QUESTION, THANK 
          YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER FLEMING? 
          >> YES, HOW DOES THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT DIFFER FROM THE 
          CURRENT PD-39 STANDARDS? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          OTHER THAN THE CONCEPT PLAN, NOTHING IS REALLY CHANGING. 
          WE'VE PROVIDED STIPULATIONS TO THE APPLICANT DECIDE TO GO THIS ROUTE WITH THE NEWER PLAN. I PROVIDED , I HOPE I DID AT THE END, HERE, I GUESS I DIDN'T. BASICALLY THIS IS THE SITE THAT'S THERE NOW. IF THEY DECIDE TO REDEVELOP, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO WITH THIS NEWER PLAN. THIS EXHIBIT, HERE. 
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          >> WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT? 
          >> THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS THREE STORIES. 
          >> DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THAT AREA THAT'S THREE STORIES? 
          >> WE DO NOT, OTHER THAN THE SURROUNDING MULTIFAMILY IS 
          NEARBY. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE, THANK 
          YOU. >> OKAY, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, WITH THAT I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. YES. AS I NORMALLY DO I WILL START WITH OUR APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO MAKE 
          A STATEMENT, YOU MAY DO SO. >> TERRIFIC, THANK YOU. VICTORIA MORRIS WITH JACKSON WALKER, 2323 ROSS AVENUE SUITE 600 IN DALLAS. 
          HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. I AM HERE WITH ASPEN SENIOR LIVING, A LOCAL REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT FIRM FOCUSED ON PROVIDING PREMIER ACTIVE ADULT INDEPENDENT LIVING COMMUNITIES. AS STAFF MENTIONED, OUR REQUEST IS TO AMEND PD-39, WHICH IS A RELATIVELY OLD PD AND DOESN'T INCLUDE MANY DETAILS OR EXHIBITS THAT THE CITY NOW REQUIRES AS PART OF APD. WITH THAT SAID, THE EXISTING PD INCLUDES A MULTIFAMILY BASED ZONING DISTRICT. WHICH WE'RE NOT SEEKING TO CHANGE . THE PERMITS SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES AGAIN, NOT SEEKING TO CHANGE, AND HAS A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 126 DWELLING UNITS, NOT SEEKING TO CHANGE. IT ALSO INCLUDES A VERY BASIC LINE DRAWING SITE PLAN , AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, WE'RE SEEKING TO RETAIN ALL OF THOSE ZONING STANDARDS AND SITE PLAN THAT GOVERN THE PROPERTY , SO THAT THE PROPERTY CAN REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS , THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. BUT THIS APPLICATION DOES PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDES NUMEROUS ENHANCEMENTS TO THE UNDERLYING ZONING. THAT INCLUDES INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF REQUIRED OPEN SPACE, LANDSCAPED AREA, AND PROVIDING ENHANCED PLANTING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE, REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON SITE, PROVIDING MANY NEW AMENITIES FOR RESIDENTS AND PROVIDING, OF COURSE, A DETAILED SITE PLAN LANDSCAPE PLAN AND ELEVATION PLANS , ALL OF WHICH SHOWCASE THE HIGH QUALITY OF THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT . WE BELIEVE THAT THIS REQUEST WILL HELP REVITALIZE THE PROPERTY TO BETTER SERVE THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS, AND WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL. I WILL PASS IT TO BARRY METCALF, THE FOUNDER AND MANAGER OF ASPEN SENIOR LIVING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. BARRY METCALF, ASPEN SENIOR LIVING. 505 PECAN STREET, SUITE 202 FORT WORTH TEXAS. ASPEN SENIOR LIVING WAS FORMED IN 2009 TO DEVELOP 55+ COMMUNITIES FOR ACTIVE SENIORS . WE'VE DEVELOPED SEVEN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING THREE IN DFW , ONE IN ALLEN, ONE IN FRISCO, ONE IN GRAND PRAIRIE. OUR CURRENT PROJECT, HERE IN CARROLLTON IS ONE WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND A SITE IN CARROLLTON FOR A LONG TIME, AS YOU ALL KNOW, CARROLLTON IS A CITY THAT HAS BEEN BUILT OUT FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO FIND A SITE IN YOUR CITY. WE'RE GRATEFUL TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, AND SHARE OUR PLANS WITH YOU THIS EVENING. THE COMMUNITY SITS ON APPROXIMATELY 11 ACRES, OF WHICH ABOUT SIX ARE DEVELOPABLE. THE COMMITTEE WILL INCLUDE 94 APARTMENTS, AS THE PLANNING MANAGER LAID OUT IN THE CENTER. 32 VILLAS THAT SURROUND THE THREE-STORY APARTMENT BUILDING, THE APARTMENT BUILDING WILL INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 8500 SQUARE FEET OF AMENITY SPACE WORTH OF FITNESS, COMMUNITY GATHERING AREAS, OUTDOOR GRILLING AREA, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SHOWN HERE ARE TWO CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS, THE RENDERING ON THE LEFT IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE, THE NORTHERNMOST DRIVEWAY FROM OLD DENTON DRIVE. 
          THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS THE VIEW HEADING SOUTH ON OLD DENTON ROAD. TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE PLANNING MANAGER REFERENCE ACROSS OLD DENTON ROAD WE DEVELOPED THIS LINE OF SIGHT 
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EXHIBIT TO PROVIDE PERSPECTIVE FOR THOSE RESIDENTS BACKYARDS, WITH THE ALLEY THAT SERVES THOSE RESIDENCES SCREEN FROM OLD DENTON ROAD BY A MASONRY WALL, ALONG WITH THE WIDTH OF OLD DENTON ROAD. WE ANTICIPATE NO MORE IMPACT THAN WHAT PRESENTLY EXISTS TODAY. LASTLY, FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE FROM THE CITY, THE CURRENT ASSESSED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS LESS THAN $8 MILLION. WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, WE ESTIMATE THAT THE TAX BASIS FOR THE PROPERTY WOULD INCREASE BY THREE TO FOUR TIMES. WE ARE VERY EXCITED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVITALIZE THIS PROPERTY, TO BETTER SERVE THE CITY, AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND APPROVAL. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. BEFORE I OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. OTHERWISE WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FROM THEM AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AFTERWARD. SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE. 
          SEVERAL WISH NOT TO SPEAK. YES, SOME OF THESE WERE CARRYOVER FROM THE PRIOR. LET ME READ THOSE WHO WISH NOT TO SPEAK FIRST, IF YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND, LET ME KNOW. MY FIRST ONE IS RAFAEL FARRAR JUNIOR. IF YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR HAND FOR ME. 
          JUST LET ME KNOW. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          OKAY. JAMES REYNOLDS DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. OKAY, SHERRY DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. WANDA WISHES TO SPEAK. OKAY. WE HAVE A LOT OF CARDS, SO I'M GOING TO SET THE TIMER AT THREE MINUTES. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS WANDA, I LIVE AT 2834 MIRAMAR IN CARROLLTON, AND MY MOTHER, DIANE GRAY, LIVES AT EMERSON SENIOR LIVING. I BELIEVE THAT EMERSON SENIOR LIVING AT ROSEMEAD MEETS A UNIQUE NEED FOR OUR CITY OF CARROLLTON. IT'S A MODERATELY PRICED INDEPENDENT LIVING COMMUNITY THAT AUTHORS MUCH-NEEDED SUPPORT FOR SENIORS WHO DO NOT NEED OR CANNOT AFFORD ASSISTED LIVING HOMES. THE PROPOSED ASPEN ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY WILL OFFER LESS SUPPORT FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS, AND BE MORE EXPENSIVE. WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CARROLLTON FOR OUR SENIORS, NOT LESS. IF THE CHANGE IS APPROVED, PLEASE INSIST ON CLEAR AND TIMELY COMMUNICATION AT ECONOMIC AND PRACTICAL ASSISTANCE FOR THE VERY CHALLENGING TASK OF MOVING FOR THE 150 RESIDENTS WHO LIVE AT EMERSON. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. MY NEXT CARD. IS AGAIN, I JUST REMIND YOU, FROM OUR, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF AND A LOT THAT YOU MAY NOT BE IN FAVOR OF. I DO ASK THAT YOU HOLD A PLAZA. WE HAVE A LOT OF CARDS TO SPEAK, SO I'LL RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU GIVE RESPECT TO EVERY SPEAKER. MY NEXT CARD DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK. BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          OKAY. MY NEXT CARD IS JUDY FRAMES. I THINK WISHES TO SPEAK, PERHAPS. NO, IS IN OPPOSITION. MY NEXT CARD IS LISA NIELSEN. 
          AGAIN, LISA, WE'LL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES, GIVEN THE VOLUME 
          OF CARDS WE HAVE. . >> I'M LISA NIELSEN , WATERFORD WAY IN CARROLLTON, MY MOM LIVES AT EMERSON. I ALSO AM A PROUD AGGIE. YOU WILL HEAR MANY EMOTIONAL TAXPAYERS ARE FIGHTING TO SAVE THEIR HOMES , AND THE DEVELOPER PROMISING TO INCREASE 
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TAX REVENUE. MY EXPERTISE, MY PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND IS 30 YEARS IN HEALTHCARE, OPERATION SALES AND CONSULTING. UTILIZING THIS EXPERIENCE TO GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF WHAT THE CITY OF CARROLLTON CAN ANTICIPATE IF THIS IS APPROVED. THE MAJORITY OF THESE SENIORS ARE MEDICALLY FRAGILE AND DISABLED. CONTINUITY OF CARE IS KEY. YOU NEED TO SEE THE SAME PROVIDERS, THE SAME DOCTORS, THE SAME PHARMACIST, THE SAME HOSPITALS, WHEN YOU DISRUPT THIS, YOU DISRUPT THEIR CARE AND IT NEVER -- INEVITABLY IMPACTED. THESE SENIORS WILL ALSO FACE FOOD INSECURITY OR, AS MY GENERATION CALLED IT, STARVATION. THEY WILL MOVE TO PLACES WHERE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO EAT AND THERE IS A WAITING LIST OF OVER FOUR MONTHS FOR MEALS ON WHEELS. THEY WILL BE FORCED TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE MEDICATION OR FOOD. 
          BECAUSE OF THAT HOSPITALIZATIONS WILL INCREASE. SO, ALL OF US, EVERY CITY, EVERY TAXPAYER, WILL PAY THE COST OF THOSE HOSPITALIZATIONS . WHEN YOU LOOK AT INCREASING THE TAX BASE, WE'RE LOOKING AT $1.5 MILLION A MONTH , ASSUMING JUST 10% OF THEM ARE HOSPITALIZED. JUST 10%. AN ADDITIONAL 700,000 PER MONTH WILL BE RACKED UP BY THE TAXPAYERS OF CARROLLTON AND TEXAS FOR INCREASED NURSING HOME FACILITY AND PROBABLY SOME OF THEM WILL BE FORCED TO MOVE INTO NURSING HOMES. AGAIN, THE MATH DOES NOT MAKE SENSE IN DISPLACING MEDICAL FRAGILE SENIORS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED HARD ALL THEIR LIVES, PAID TAXES, AND DESERVE THE DIGNITY OF AFFORDABLE LIVING VERSUS THREE OR FOUR INCREASES ON $8 MILLION. THE MATH DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. I ASK YOU, RESPECTFULLY, TO READ THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY SOME OF THESE SENIORS WITH PHRASES LIKE, I CAN'T AFFORD TO MOVE, I'M WORRIED, I'M SCARED. WHERE AM I GOING TO GO? I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE. PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN. IT SEEMS SO UN-AMERICAN FOR THEM TO DO THIS AT THIS TIME OF OUR LIVES. I WON'T BE ABLE TO DRIVE TO APPOINTMENTS OR GROCERY STORES. BEING HERE IS A GODSEND. WHEN I STARTED MY CAREER 30 YEARS AGO I TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN MEDICATION AND DRUGS WHO BURIED FAMILY MEMBERS, BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD FOOD AND MEDS. YOU CLOSE THIS PLACE DOWN, YOU'LL BE BURYING SOME OF THESE SENIORS BEFORE THEIR TIME. IT'S NOT RIGHT, AND IT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY GOOD FOR 
          CARROLLTON OR TEXAS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NEXT , MY NEXT CARD IS URSULA WOOTEN, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. URSULA. MY NEXT CARD IS BLAKE TAYLOR, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. MY NEXT IS MARY STEWART, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. MY NEXT CARD IS EMILY ELLIS, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          OKAY, WE GOT HER CARD. MY NEXT CARD IS ISAAC ELLIS , THAT'S YOU, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION, AND THEN JENNIFER BLANTON DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          OKAY, NOW I HAVE SEVERAL THAT WISH TO SPEAK, AND I'LL CONTINUE THOSE. MY NEXT CARD IS GREG NIELSEN. AND I'LL REMIND YOU, FOR ALL THE SPEAKERS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES GIVEN THE VOLUME OF CARDS WE HAVE. WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS DIFFICULT TO GET INTO THREE MINUTES. YOU MAY BEGIN. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL. I'M GREG NIELSEN, SISTER, OR, BROTHER TO KNEES LISA NIELSEN, WHO JUST SPOKE. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF EMERSON . NOT JUST BECAUSE MY MOM LIVES THERE, AND SHE WOULD BE HERE BUT SHE JUST CAME BACK FROM THE HOSPITAL, YESTERDAY. SHE HERSELF IS 92, AND A MOVE WOULD BE EXTREMELY HARD ON HER. THE IMPORTANT THING, THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT EMERSON IS THAT IT FILLS A VERY BADLY NEEDED GAP IN AFFORDABLE SENIOR LIVING. IT DOES MARKET ITSELF AS INDEPENDENT SENIOR LIVING, BUT THEY OFFER A LOT OF THINGS THAT 
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ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES OFFER, LIKE TWO MEALS A DAY, MEAL DELIVERY IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT TO THE DINING ROOM, WEEKLY HOUSEKEEPING, SOCIAL ACTIVITIES, THERE IS AN ON-SITE OFFICE FOR KINDNESS SENIOR CARE WHO HAVE A NUMBER OF AND PROVIDE HOME HEALTH SERVICES. THERE IS AN OFFICE LEASED BY LEGACY HEALTHCARE SERVICES, AND THEY OFFER PHYSICAL THERAPY FOR THE RESIDENTS. THERE IS A HAIR SALON. THERE IS A SHUTTLE. AND FOR A NUMBER OF US, THE LOCATION IS IMPORTANT. I'M FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM MY MOTHER, SO IF SHE NEEDS ASSISTANCE, I'M FIVE MINUTES AWAY. THERE JUST AREN'T OTHER PLACES THAT OFFER THESE SERVICES AT THIS PRICE, STARTING AT ABOUT $1800. AND I KNOW, I WILL GET ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE FACILITIES IN THE AREA AND FOUND NOTHING COMPARABLE. THE PEOPLE HERE DO NOT WANT FANCY AMENITIES. THEY WANT A PLACE THAT IS CLEAN AND ATTRACTIVE, AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE THEIR LIVES WITH DIGNITY. AND THERE ARE AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE THERE WHO ABSOLUTELY CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE, MANY ARE DISABLED. SOME HAVE NO FAMILY MEMBERS TO HELP THEM. 
          SOME HAVE TO DECIDE, WELL, THEY DO GET , I JUST SPOKE TO SOMEONE WHO HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN FOOD AND A PHONE. AND THE RESIDENTS WERE BLINDSIDED. IT WASN'T UNTIL ABOUT FOUR DAYS AGO THAT THEY EVEN KNEW THAT THIS PLAN WAS AFOOT. LEASES, FOR SOME REASON, ARE STILL BEING OFFERED, THEY'RE STILL GIVING TOURS. 
          WHAT I REALLY WISH IS THAT THE FOLKS AT ASPEN SENIOR LIVING AND THE COUNCILMEMBERS COULD SEE THESE PEOPLE, SEE THE FACES, TALK TO THEM. THERE ARE SOME VERY SAD STORIES, AND SOME PEOPLE WHO SIMPLY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. SO, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS PLAN TO GO 
          THROUGH. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBERT MCGOWAN SENIOR. MR. MCGOWAN, YOU HAVE 
          THREE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU. FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO Y'ALL. I AM AN ACTUAL RESIDENT AT EMERSON. I HAVE BEEN FOR SIX YEARS, BUT MY FAMILY STARTED THERE ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO. I'VE SEEN MY IN-LAWS LIVE THERE AND PASS AWAY THERE. MY WIFE LIVED THERE WITH ME AND PASSED AWAY THERE. MY PLAN, TO LIVE THERE UNTIL MY TIME COMES. THAT MAY SOUND PRETTY DRAMATIC TO YOU GUYS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE 73 YEARS OLD IN POOR HEALTH, LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK, THAT'S REALITY. I'M FORTUNATE TO HAVE A DOCTOR THAT COMES TO SEE ME BECAUSE I SIGNED UP WITH HOME HEALTH CARE, BECAUSE I COULDN'T AFFORD TO GET OUT AND GO TO THE DOCTOR. THE BUS IS LIMITED TO HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY CAN TAKE A DAY, BUT THEY DO TAKE US. FOR A WHILE THEY WERE PROVIDING OTHER AMENITIES TO US TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO OUR DOCTORS APPOINTMENTS, AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEEDED. AND I'VE HEARD ABOUT HOW, IT'S , THIS IS ALSO A MELTING POT FOR AMERICA. WE HAVE, AS YOU KNOW, THE ELDERLY, SENIORS, WE HAVE DISABILITIES, WE HAVE VETERANS, WE HAVE MINORITIES, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE LIVING THERE AND LIVING PRETTY WELL TOGETHER. UNTIL THIS HAPPENED. I CANNOT IMAGINE ANYBODY TELLING ME I'VE GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO LIVE OUT THE REST OF MY LIFE. WHEN I PLAN TO DO IT HERE. SO, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH THINKING ABOUT DISRUPTING LIFE THAT'S BEEN PLANNING THIS FOR OVER 30 YEARS. I HAVE TWO SONS, THEY LOVE TO COME SEE THEIR DAD, AND IT'S GREAT FOR ALL OF US. BUT, I CAN'T BE MOVING OUT OF MY HOUSE, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT. AND EXPECT MY SONS TO TAKE CARE OF ME. I LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK, AS MOST OF US DO. AS IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE ARE NO AFFORDABLE PLACES NEARBY, AND I'M SURE WITH A 
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BILL THERE WILL DEFINITELY NOT BE AFFORDABLE, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD. EVERYTHING WHAT'S MENTIONED , IN THIS GENTLEMAN STATEMENT FROM ASPEN, BUT NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE NOW? I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT QUESTION BROUGHT UP UNTIL I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WE'VE SEEN ALL THESE LETTERS THAT CAME TO US FRIDAY AFTERNOON, THREE OR FOUR DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING. NONE OF US HAD A CLUE ANY OF THIS WAS GOING ON. I KNOW HOW BUSINESS IS, IT'S KEPT QUIET. IT'S DONE IN MEETINGS, PRIVATE MEETINGS. ABOUT PUBLIC PEOPLE. IN THIS COUNTRY TODAY, WE DO NOT NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANYBODY ELSE, MONEY OVER FOLKS, THE NEEDS, THE PEOPLE LIKE ME. IT'S A RICH COUNTRY THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO TRY TO GET RICHER, ESPECIALLY IN CARROLLTON. I KNOW THIS GENTLEMAN SAYS HE WANTS TO TAKE CARE OF THE RESIDENTS IN CARROLLTON FOR THE FUTURE AND HOW THIS WILL BE GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE FUTURE. BUT RIGHT NOW, OUR FUTURE IS HERE. WE CAN'T LOOK , AND I DON'T 
          LOOK FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBERT MCGOWAN JUNIOR. I'LL JUST REMIND YOU, THREE MINUTES. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THE CHANCE TO SPEAK. THAT WAS MY DAD. AND, LIKE YOU SAID, MY GRANDPARENTS WERE THERE. MY GRANDPARENTS, MY PARENTS, MY MOM PASSED AWAY THERE. AND WE'RE TALKING , DEMOLISHING A BUILDING. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEMOLISHING PEOPLE'S LIVES AND THEIR HOUSES. THEY'RE SCARED. THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO NEXT. IT'S SCARY ENOUGH FOR ANYBODY, MUCH LESS SENIORS THAT DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO NEXT. THEY DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT YOU'D BE SENDING A RESIDENTS FOR THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, TO CARROLLTON, ABOUT WHAT YOU VALUE.  WHAT DO YOU VALUE? THIS IS A CHANCE TO SIGNIFY WHAT YOU VALUE. DO YOU VALUE THE PEOPLE? DO YOU VALUE THE SENIOR CITIZENS? NO MATTER WHAT COMPENSATION IS OFFERED, THEY DON'T WANT THAT. THEY WANT THEIR HOMES. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DESERVE. THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED. PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE NEEDS AND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE, IT JUST WOULD NOT BE RIGHT. DISPLACING THESE RESIDENTS IN THE NAME OF PROGRESS WOULD CAUSE UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP FOR SOME OF OUR CITY'S MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS. 
          AFFORDABLE STABLE SENIOR HOUSING IS ALREADY SCARCE, AS YOU KNOW, AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO. THINK ABOUT IF IT WAS YOUR PARENTS. YOU KNOW THE RIGHT THING TO DO. DO IT. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY NEXT CARD IS JANET MOORE. 
          >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MY NAME IS JANET MOORE, I'M A RESIDENT OF AUBREY, TEXAS, MY STEPMOTHER LIVES AT EMERSON ROSEMEAD. I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF MY STEPMOTHER AND SEVERAL OF HER FRIENDS, ALL RESIDENTS OF EMERSON AT ROSEMEAD PARK. MY STEPMOTHER COULDN'T BE HERE HERSELF BECAUSE SHE RECENTLY HAD EYE SURGERY, BUT SHE AND HER FRIENDS ASKED ME TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL TO REDEVELOPMENT EMERSON WOULD DISPLACE EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT. MANY OF WHOM HAVE LIVED THERE FOR YEARS, BUILT THE FRIENDSHIPS AND DEPEND ON THE SENSE OF BELONGING THAT THIS COMMUNITY PROVIDES. THESE RESIDENTS ARE MORE THAN JUST NEIGHBORS. THEY'RE LIKE A FAMILY. THEY SHARE MEALS, CHECK IN ON EACH OTHER AND CREATE THE KIND OF SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE SHOULD BE WORKING TO PRESERVE, NOT TO UPROOT. WE'VE HEARD STATEMENTS TONIGHT SUGGESTING THAT NOTHING IS REALLY CHANGING. BUT, THE PLAN STAYS THE SAME, AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS AREN'T BEING IMPACTED. THE WAY THIS PROPOSAL HAS BEEN FRAMED IS MISLEADING. THE CURRENT STRUCTURE WOULD NEVER SUPPORT A THIRD FLOOR WITHOUT MAJOR DEMOLITION , AND CALLING IT AN ADDITION DOWNPLAYS THE IMPACT AND MAKES THIS SOUND LIKE RESIDENTS WILL REMAIN UNDISTURBED. WHEN IN REALITY, IT WOULD MEAN TEARING DOWN THEIR HOME AND FORCING EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT TO RELOCATE. ASPEN SENIOR LIVING'S PROPOSED VIEWS MAY BE BEAUTIFUL BUT ARE UNDOUBTEDLY MORE EXPENSIVE, AND MOST OF THE CURRENT RESIDENTS ARE SENIORS ON FIXED INCOMES SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD TO MOVE INTO HIGH-QUALITY FACILITIES, OR HIGH END FACILITIES. FOR MANY OF THEM INCLUDING MY STEPMOTHER, THIS IS THE MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTION LEFT. SHE LIVES HERE BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY 
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PLACE SHE CAN MANAGE AFTER SOCIAL SECURITY RUNS OUT AND I COVER WHAT'S LEFT. FOR FAMILIES LIKE OURS, REDEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS DOESN'T JUST IMPACT THE RESIDENTS, IT PLACES AN ENORMOUS FINANCIAL AND EMOTIONAL BURDEN ON THE CHILDREN AND CAREGIVERS WHO ARE ALREADY DOING THEIR BEST TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS. 
          FOR THESE RESIDENTS, EMERSON ISN'T JUST THE PLACE THEY STAY, IT'S THEIR HOME. WE'RE ASKING THAT THE COUNCIL PLEASE PROTECT THE RESIDENTS AND REJECT ANY PLAN THAT FORCES THEM OUT. IF THE PLAN DOES MOVE FORWARD, AGAINST THE WILL OF ALL THE RESIDENTS YOU SEE HERE TONIGHT AND PROBABLY 100+ MORE THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND, AND SPEAK, WE URGE YOU TO REQUIRE ASPEN OR THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER TO PROVIDE FAIR RELOCATION ASSISTANCE , COMPARABLE HOUSING OPTIONS, AND ADEQUATE TIME AND SUPPORT FOR EVERY RESIDENT, NOT ONLY SUPPORTING TO FIND A PLACE, BUT IN CONSIDERATION OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT BASED ON THE DIFFERENCE OF THIS DISPLACEMENT. SENIORS IN THIS COMMUNITY DESERVE SECURITY AND NOT DISPLACEMENT, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR CONSIDERING THE HUMAN COST BEHIND SUCH A 
          PROPOSAL. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY NEXT CARD IS FROM SA BRYCE GLENN MAAS. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MY NEXT CARD IS HELEN MARIE WILSON. REGISTERS OPPOSITION, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, OKAY. ROSEMARY JONES. REGISTERS OPPOSITION, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK. CAROL ROSA. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, IS OPPOSED. 
          MY NEXT CARD IS JUST VERBAL. THREE MINUTES, SIR. 
          >> MY NAME IS JEFF GRIBBLE, I LIVE AT 2025 DRIVE IN CARROLLTON. MY MOTHER IS A RESIDENT OF EMERSON, ONLY RECENTLY SINCE THE BREAK, BECAUSE THE LAST AFFORDABLE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY SHE WAS IN, CALLED AUTUMN LEAVES, DID THE SAME THING. THEY PUT NOTICES ON EVERYONE'S DOOR, YOU HAVE 60 DAYS TO GET OUT, AND WE'RE SELLING THE PROPERTY AND BUILDING HIGH-END CONDOS. FROM WHAT I'VE READ ABOUT THIS PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO BE HIGH-END VILLAS. THE REASON PEOPLE LIVE IN SUCH PLACES BECAUSE THEY DON'T COME FROM A POSITION OF FINANCIAL STABILITY OR EXCESS. MY MOTHER'S RETIREMENT PLAN IS ME AND MY BROTHER, AND WE SCRAPED IT TOGETHER TO GET HER TO MOVE EARLIER THIS YEAR, INCLUDING MOVING COSTS, PACKING HER UP, GETTING HER MOVED, GETTING THE DEPOSITS, THE ADVANCE RENT, ALL OF IT. IT WAS A STRUGGLE FOR OUR FAMILY , AND FOR HER, SHE'S 89 YEARS OLD, SHE'LL BE 90 IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. HER MOBILITY SUFFERS . SHE'S AFRAID. SHE CALLED ME, PANICKED, WHEN SHE GOT THE NOTICE ON HER DOOR SAYING, I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'RE DOING THIS TO ME AGAIN. AND THAT'S THE POINT, ALL OF THESE PLACES AROUND THE METROPLEX THAT ARE AFFORDABLE SENIOR LIVING PLACES ARE GETTING SHUT DOWN, THE RESIDENTS ARE GETTING BOOTED OUT WITH NO COMPENSATION OF 60 DAYS NOTICE, THEY ARE IN FOR, THEY'RE OLD, THEY HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES, THEY ARE SCARED, THEY HAVE THEIR DOCTORS NEARBY, THE GROCERY STORE THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DRIVE IN AND GET OUT, THIS IS A SOCIETY. THIS IS A COMMUNITY FOR THEM, SHE'S NOT EVEN DONE UNPACKING YET WHEN THIS COMES OUT. AND NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, OH MY GOD, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO MOVE HER AGAIN THIS YEAR. THAT WAS A HARD SHIP TO BEGIN WITH, AND THERE'S EVEN WORSE, THERE ARE SOME WHO HAVE NO SUPPORT. WHO ABSOLUTELY HAVE NOTHING TO LEAN ON. DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. I THINK IT'S TIME, THIS IS NOT LOGAN'S RUN , DATED REFERENCE FOR ANYBODY WHO IS A SCI-FI FAN. ONCE YOU'RE NOT A USEFUL COG OF THE MACHINE ANYMORE DOES NOT MEAN YOU NEED TO BE DISPOSED OF. 
          THESE PEOPLE HAVE PUT IN THEIR TIME, THEY DESERVE OUR RESPECT, THEY DESERVE OUR SUPPORT. YOU'RE THE ONLY NATION IN THE WORLD THAT TREATS THEIR ELDERLY SO POORLY. AND I SAY WE NEED TO START STANDING UP FOR OUR MOTHERS, OUR FATHERS, OUR GRANDPARENTS . OUR FAVORITE AUNTS AND UNCLES AND PEOPLE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW. IT'S CALLED EMPATHY, AND I THINK OUR SENIORS 
          DESERVE IT. THANK YOU. >> MY NEXT CARD IS FROM STEVE 
          BERRYMAN. >> WELL, THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR 
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          HEARING ME. EXCUSE ME. >> ESTHER BERMAN, I'M HAPPY TO 
          CALL YOU BACK UP. >> I DON'T LIVE IN EMERSON, I DON'T HAVE A MOTHER THAT LIVES THERE, BUT I'M THERE EVERY SUNDAY. MY WIFE AND I LEAD WORSHIP THERE , IN THEIR CHAPEL. 
          AND I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 10 YEARS. BEFORE ME THERE WAS A COUPLE THAT DID IT FOR 17 YEARS, AND BEFORE THEM WAS THE GUY THAT STARTED FOR THREE YEARS. THAT'S A 30 YEARS OF MINISTRY TO THIS PLACE. 30 YEARS OF SINGING HYMNS, 30 YEARS OF PRAYING. 30 YEARS OF HEARING THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD. THESE, LIKE I SAID, ALL THESE PEOPLE EXPRESSED IT BETTER THAN I CAN. THEY DESERVE BETTER. THEY HAVE THEIR FRIENDS THERE. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM. THEY SHOULDN'T BE WORRIED ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE LIVING. 
          THAT SHOULD BE THE LAST THING ON THEIR MIND, THEY SHOULD BE PLAYING BINGO, PLAYING DOMINOES. WHERE THEY LIVE SHOULD BE THE LAST OF THEIR CONCERN. SO, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, IT WAS YOUR OWN MOM AND DAD, YOUR GRANDPARENTS, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT FOR THEM? THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MY NEXT CARD IS DAVID LONDON. 
          >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DO APPRECIATE YOUR LETTING ME SPEAK. WE HAVE OVER 30 PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT THAT SHOWED UP BECAUSE THEY'RE IN DANGER. THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS. THEY'RE HURTING BECAUSE THIS HAS COME UP SO FAST, AND THEY DO NOT KNOW WHERE, HOW, WHERE THEY WILL LAND. AND B. TAKEN CARE OF WITH THE SUPPORT OF OUR COMMUNITY. EMERSON IS LIKE A COMMUNITY THAT WE LIVE IN, AND WE TRY TO HELP EACH OTHER , THIS COMPANY IS ONLY SEEING THE $ . WE NEED TO LOOK AT MORE THAN THE DOLLAR SIGNS. WE NEED TO KNOW, ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE ANY REIMBURSEMENT FOR MOVING? RELOCATING? HELP FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT AFFORD ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE PAYING NOW? AND THEY'RE REALLY HAVING TO WORK TO DO THAT. I WOULD REALLY CONSIDER IT A PLEASURE TO LET YOU MAKE A DECISION ON HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS, AND STILL MAINTAIN THEIR DIGNITY. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. MY NEXT CARD IS . >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE. I HAD EVERYTHING, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, THOSE THAT SPOKE SAID IT ALL, SO I'M GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          I'VE BEEN IN CARROLLTON FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS, AND I LIVE LITERALLY NOT EVEN A MILE AWAY FROM EMERSON. 2016 AND MY DAD WAS IN A STROKE, I HAD TO MOVE MY MOM AND DAD FROM THEIR HOME, WHICH WAS A MOBILE HOME IN LITTLE ELM. EMERSON AT THAT TIME WAS CORINTH, THAT WAS THE ONLY PLACE WE COULD AFFORD. THEY LIVED ON SOCIAL SECURITY, THAT IS IT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LOOK INTO YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY, BUT, $1400 A MONTH IS NOT A LOT. 
          OKAY? MY DAD , WHEN I MOVED IN, HE DID THE LAST SIX, SEVEN MONTHS. IT WAS A HARD MOVE FOR HIM. RIGHTFULLY SO. I FELT BAD, I HAD NO CHOICE. I CALLED ASSISTED LIVING , THEY WERE OUTRAGEOUSLY PRICED. THEY SAID TO MY FACE, 3500 TO 5500? HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THAT? YOU TAKE THEIR INCOME LITERALLY WITH A STRAIGHT FACE, FIVE LOCATIONS SAID, THAT'S WHERE CHILDREN OR FAMILY MEMBERS PAY THE DIFFERENCE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, MY 
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HUSBAND AND ME DON'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE TO SURVIVE AS WELL. MY MOM HAS BEEN LIVING THERE SINCE 2017 BECAUSE I MOVE THEM OVER THERE APRIL 2017. MY MOM, THAT IS HOME. EVERYBODY HAS SHARED, IT IS A COMMUNITY, IT IS A FAMILY. THEY DO TAKE CARE OF ONE ANOTHER. MY MOM HAS A PLACE, IF YOU HAD TO MOVE IN WITH ME, IS THAT IDEAL? NO. I DON'T WANT MY MOM LIVING WITH ME. I GO AND VISIT HER ALL THE TIME, I TAKE CARE OF HER, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE SHARED. THEY PROVIDE SERVICES, YOU PAY FOR IT. IT IS A COMMUNITY. AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST 40 YEARS. I GET THINGS CHANGE AND YOU HAVE TO GROW. I'VE NEVER STEPPED FOOT INTO THIS BUILDING, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT WAS AT IN THE 40 YEARS BECAUSE I KNOW CHANGE IS INEVITABLE. I WORK AT THE AIRPORT, CHANGE IS CONSTANT OUT THERE. THIS, I DO NOT AGREE WITH. I'M VERY UPSET WITH THE CITY IF THEY DO ALLOW THIS. YOU'RE DISPLACING OVER 150 RESIDENTS , I DON'T KNOW WHERE SOME OF THEM WOULD GO AND I DON'T KNOW HOW SOME OF THEM, HOW LONG THEY WOULD SURVIVE AFTER IT. I HAD THIS WHOLE SPEECH BUT I THINK YOU PUT ENOUGH. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED, IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH. I KNOW GROWTH IS EVERYTHING, I SEE IT A LOT IN THE 40 YEARS WE'VE LIVED HERE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, 
          THANK YOU. >> MY NEXT SPEAKER IS MARIANNA. 
          THAT'S YOUR MOM. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN KIM. 
          >> MY NAME IS JOHN KIM, MY FATHER-IN-LAW IS LIVING AT EMERSON AT THIS TIME. AND HE LOVES IT THERE, AND I CREATED A YOUTUBE VIDEO, SAVE CAROL EMERSON, IF YOU TYPE IT IN YOU CAN SEE A COUPLE OF VIDEOS, THERE. THERE ARE EIGHT TO 10 RESIDENTS WHO SPOKE AGAINST , DEMOLITION, AND BUILDING THE NEW BUILDING. AND FOR THEM IT'S A DEATH SENTENCE. SOME OF THEM AND SAID I WANT TO LIVE UNTIL I DIE, I DON'T WANT TO GET KICKED OUT. 
          AND ONE OF THEM WAS 91. A LOT OF THEM CANNOT MAKE IT, NONE OF THEM MADE IT HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE DISABLED, THEY'RE TOO OLD. I HOPE YOU HAVE MERCY AND SAVE EMERSON. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. MY NEXT CARD IS VICKI CHANG. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK. BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. MY NEXT CARD IS CHRISTINE CAMP . 
          >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, OF CARROLLTON. I AM CHRISTINE CAMP, AND I RESIDE AT 3500 OLD DENTON ROAD HERE IN CARROLLTON. BETTER KNOWN AS EMERSON ROSEMEAD . I'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 12 YEARS. 
          EMERSON IS MY HOME. AND I PLAN TO LIVE THERE MY REMAINING LIFE . SINCE I'M THE ONLY SURVIVING MEMBER OF MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY, I HAVE MADE MANY FRIENDS AT EMERSON, AND ENJOY THE SOCIAL LIFE AND SUPPORT THERE. WE EVEN HAVE A CHAPEL THAT STEVE PREACHES TO US, OR SPEAKS TO US. TWO THINK OF HAVING TO MOVE FROM EMERSON IS UNBEARABLE. IT WOULD BE A PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND FINANCIAL STRAIN FOR ALL RESIDENTS . I PRAY THAT YOU WILL NOT APPROVE THE SALE OF EMERSON FOR DEMOLITION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BARRY METCALF. OKAY. VICTORIA MORRIS, WE ALREADY HEARD FROM AS WELL. GARY PARTS? 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 5728 LBJ FREEWAY, SUITE 260, DALLAS. I'M THE PRINCIPAL AND FOUNDER OF CR CAPITAL, THE PROPERTY OWNER, HERE TO EXPRESS OUR FULL SUPPORT OF THE REZONING REQUEST. CR CAPITAL HAS OWNED EMERSON ROSEMEAD FOR SIX YEARS, SINCE 2019 . WE'RE EXCITED TO BE WORKING WITH ASPEN SENIOR LIVING'S ON THE RE-ENVISION THE 
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FUTURE OF THE PROPERTY. ASPEN'S PROPOSAL WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE THE CITY OF CARROLLTON AND THE SURROUNDING AREA BY PROVIDING MUCH-NEEDED SENIOR HOUSING WHILE INCORPORATING MANY NEW AMENITIES AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPING THAT BRINGS THE PROPERTY UP TO TODAY'S STANDARDS AND ALLOWS IT TO THRIVE IN THE FUTURE. IT'S HEARTBREAKING TO ME TO HEAR THE COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS AND FAMILY MEMBERS ARE PRIORITY ALWAYS HAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELL-BEING OF OUR RESIDENTS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE SO IN THE FUTURE. BUT THE UNFORTUNATE REALITY IS THAT PROPERTY IS FINANCIALLY INSOLVENT. WE'VE MARKETED THE PROPERTY FOR SALE THREE DIFFERENT TIMES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS WITH THREE OF THE LARGEST INSTITUTIONAL COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE ADVISORY FIRMS IN THE COUNTRY, AND THERE ISN'T A SENIOR HOUSING OPERATOR OR INVESTOR IN THE COUNTRY WHO CAN BUY AND OPERATE THE FACILITY AS IS. IN MY OPINION, THE PROPOSED REZONING IS THE BEST VIABLE SOLUTION FOR THE CITY OF CARROLLTON, THE RESIDENTS, AND EVERYONE INVOLVED. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION . I WISH I HAD MORE THAN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, I'M SURE EVERYONE HAS MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME. HAPPY TO GIVE MORE DETAILS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE. 
          >> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A REBUTTAL. AND THEY MAY DEFER TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS JUDY THURMAN. REMINDER, YOU WILL 
          HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> I'M JUDY THURMAN, I HAVE LIVED IN CARROLLTON FOR 50 YEARS. I HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER THAT LIVES AT EMERSON , AND IS VERY HAPPY LIVING THERE. I HAVE A QUESTION, HAS EMERSON ALREADY BEEN SOLD? IS THE SALE FINAL? 
          >> THIS IS NOT, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO US. YOU RAISE THAT QUESTION, I'M SURE SOMEBODY APPEAR WILL ASK THAT 
          QUESTION FOR YOU. >> WELL, THAT'S ONE QUESTION I WAS WANTING TO KNOW IF IT HAD BEEN SOLD. IF THE PLANS HAD FINANCIALLY ALREADY BEEN SETTLED. JUST WAITING FOR THE ZONING TO GO THROUGH. CARROLLTON, I DON'T BELIEVE, REALLY NEEDS ANOTHER HIGH-END SENIOR LIVING FACILITY , SINCE THEY JUST COMPLETED ONE AT AVENIDA. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MOST RESIDENTS WHO HAVE ELDERLY FAMILY MEMBERS CANNOT AFFORD TO MOVE TO AVENIDA, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO TRY TO KEEP EMERSON HERE FOR OUR RELATIVES THAT ARE CLOSE BY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO PLANO OR MCKINNEY OR WHATEVER. IT'S SO CONVENIENT TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE IN CARROLLTON. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. MY NEXT CARD IS LINDA BROWN. LINDA DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS. I HAVE A FEW -- YEAH, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY ANYWAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS BUT IF ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK, YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. PLEASE DO ME A FAVOR AND 
          STATE YOUR NAME. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, MY NAME IS REGINA, I LIVE IN RICHARDSON, MY BEST FRIEND EVER LIVES AT EMERSON. I HELP HER GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND DO VARIOUS STUFF, I'VE BEEN AT EMERSON FREQUENTLY. I AM A REALIST, AND I REALIZE THE CITY GIVING THE REAL ESTATE TAXES OF $24 MILLION IS VERY ATTRACTIVE THAN GETTING IT OFF OF $8 MILLION. I ALSO AM A RETIRED ACCOUNTANT, AND I KNOW NUMBERS. I WILL PROCEED WITH WHAT I WANT TO SAY, BUT, LISTENING TO THESE RESIDENTS, MADE ME CRY. IT'S AN OVERALL PROBLEM, AND CARROLLTON IS A CITY, BUT WHERE HAVE WE GONE WRONG AS A COUNTRY THAT WE CANNOT GIVE PEOPLE PLACES TO LIVE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD? IT'S EVERYONE'S PROBLEM, AND I HOPE THE COUNCIL REALLY LOOKS DEEPLY IN THEIR HEART, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DUTY TO PROVIDE FINANCE AND MONEY AND INCOME TO THE CITY, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A DUTY TO DO RIGHT BY THEIR CITIZENS FOR THEIR CITIZENS. THIS SALE NOT ONLY WILL IMPACT THEM, FINDING ANOTHER PLACE, THEY'LL HAVE TO PUT UP NEW DEPOSITS , THEY'LL HAVE TO PUT UP DEPOSITS FOR THINGS THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT UP DEPOSITS FOR EMERSON'S, LIKE TELEPHONES, INTERNET, I KNOW THAT WHEN THIS PASSES, AND I BELIEVE IT WILL, BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THAT REVENUE, THAT THE DAY AFTER IT PASSES, THE CURRENT 
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OWNER, NEW OWNER, WILL REFUND EVERY RESIDENT THEIR DEPOSIT SO THEY HAVE THE DEPOSIT AVAILABLE TO PUT ON ANOTHER FACILITY. I ALSO THINK THE RIGHT THING TO DO, WHICH WE ALL TALK ABOUT IN THE NEWS EVERYWHERE ELSE, WOULD BE TO GIVE EVERY RESIDENT A STIPEND TO HELP THEM WITH THAT MOVE. I WAS SO DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THE CURRENT OWNER MANAGEMENT COMPANY AT EMERSON IS CURRENTLY SHOWING THAT PROPERTY FOR SALE. I KNOW NOTHINGS FINALIZED, BUT ONE OF THESE GENTLEMEN THAT SPOKE, HE JUST MOVED HIS MOTHER IN FEBRUARY. I HELPED LINDA MOVE. IT'S NOT AN EASY THING FOR SENIORS. I'M A SENIOR. IT WOULD NOT BE EASY FOR ME. AND IT'S UNCONSCIONABLE THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT. I ALSO WONDER IF THE NEW FACILITY WOULD OFFER MONTHLY RENTS AT 1800, EVERYBODY WOULD BE GREAT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, I CAN TELL YOU, AND SOMEONE SAID MAYBE THEY CAN OFFER US A DISCOUNT. THEY HAD PEOPLE COME IN AND TALK TO THE RESIDENTS AT EMERSON , SIMILAR $2500 A MONTH, A 70% INCREASE FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE. THEY CAN'T DO IT, AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? YOUR VOTE TONIGHT WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUTTING PEOPLE OUT ON THE STREET OR PROVIDING THEM WITH A FACILITY 
          TO LIVE IN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS BUT, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM AND GIVE ME YOUR NAME , AND ADDRESS IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. AND IF YOU HAVE A CARD, YOU CAN JUST HAND IT , WHEN YOU'RE DONE, HANDED OVER TO THE SIDE. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MY FATHER IS A RESIDENT, HE'S 90 YEARS OLD. HE CANNOT MAKE IT. I'VE HEARD EVERYBODY. WE STARTED WITH PRAYERS, SO WHAT DOES THAT REPRESENT? ETHICS, MORALITY. SO, YOU ALL HAVE A CHALLENGE. WE STARTED WITH THE PRAYERS AND OUR ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. THAT'S THE MORAL ASPECT OF THE ARGUMENT, HERE. THE CAPITALISTIC ASPECT IS THREE TIMES THE PROPERTY TAXES. WHICH, I'M SURE YOU CAN DO WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO MAKE IT VIABLE FOR THEM. BUT, THREE TIMES THE CAPITAL, IF YOU TALK ABOUT REAL ESTATE, THREE TIMES X MEANS THREE TIMES THE RENTS GOING TO INCREASE. IF SOMEBODY IS $1500, THEY WILL NEED TO REGROUP $4500 TO MAKE IT MEANINGFUL. THEY'RE GOING TO TEAR DOWN THE PROPERTY, SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS , THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION THESE FOLKS ARE RIGHT NOW. SO, THAT'S THE CAPITALISTIC ARGUMENT. CAPITALISTIC ARGUMENT, YOU GUYS, I DON'T KNOW. GIVE THEM A BREAK WITH PROPERTY TAXES, WHATEVER IT IS. BUT MORAL ARGUMENT IS VERY CLEAR, HERE, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. MAKE THE MORAL DECISION THAT YOU CAN LIVE AND SLEEP TONIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE FOR OR AGAINST, YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW IF YOU'VE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A REBUTTAL. 
          EITHER BARRY OR VICTORIA, MISS MORRIS OR MR. METCALF, AS YOU DEEM APPROPRIATE. THAT'S FINE. IT'S YOUR REBUTTAL. WHOEVER IS BEST TO SPEAK FOR IT. AND WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS AFTER YOUR 
          REBUTTAL. >> I'M SURE THERE'S LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND WE WILL HAVE AN EMERSON TOWN HALL WHERE WE ARE HOPING TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE WHEN THE TIME IS APPROPRIATE, SO THE AUDIENCE IS AWARE. AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE OWNED THIS FACILITY SINCE 2019. I HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY WITH THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO THAT, THROUGH OTHER RELATIONSHIPS. THIS PROPERTY WAS BUILT IN THE EARLY 90S. IT'S FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLESCENCE AS IS, THE FLOORPLAN DOES NOT HAVE FULL SIZE KITCHEN, A LOT OF THE AMENITIES THAT NEWER COMMUNITIES HAVE TODAY, UNFORTUNATELY IN TODAY'S LANDSCAPE, IT'S NOT IN A FINANCIALLY VIABLE POSITION TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS IS. SINCE 2019, WE HAVE HAD TO FUND AN ADDITIONAL $2.6 MILLION JUST TO KEEP THE PROPERTY AFLOAT. IN SIMPLE TERMS, THE REVENUE DOES NOT COVER THE EXPENSES. THAT'S A $40,000 A MONTH FOR ALMOST SEVEN STRAIGHT YEARS. WE NO LONGER HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO PUT MONEY INTO THIS FACILITY . AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE TRIED TO SELL IT TO OTHER OWNERS AND OPERATORS, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE CAPITAL MARKETS JUST AREN'T THERE TO WHERE PEOPLE WILL BUY THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT. SO, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I THINK THE PROPOSED 
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REDEVELOPMENT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY. I THINK, SPEAKING OF ETHICALLY AND MORALLY, IT PUTS US IN THE BEST POSITION TO HELP RESIDENTS SUCCESSFULLY MOVE OR TRANSITION OUT OF THE COMMUNITY . THE ALTERNATIVE IS THIS LIKELY WILL GO BACK TO A BANK, AND THE LOAN WILL BE SOLD FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR, AND, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S NOT A BETTER ALTERNATIVE FOR THE CITY OR THE RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. COUNCIL, WITH THAT, THAT FINALIZES OUR PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL AS OUR REBUTTAL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? COUNCILMEMBER 
          CARPENTER? >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. SCHAPIRO, WHAT COULD THE CURRENT OWNER DO WITH THE PROPERTY, AS IT IS NOW? FROM A REDEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT? 
          >> WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, THEY'D HAVE TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS, OR OBVIOUSLY CHANGE THE ZONING. AS IT IS NOW, THEY CAN KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS, WITH A PD. THERE'S A CONCEPT PLAN THAT 
          GOES WITH IT. >> I MEAN, NOT ONLY BUT HE WOULD DO THIS, BUT THEY COULD EFFECTIVELY TEAR IT DOWN AND REBUILD IT EXACTLY LIKE IT IS NOW IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OR THEY COULD CEASE TO OPERATE IT I GUESS WOULD BE ANOTHER OPTION. IF IT'S FINANCIALLY UNVIABLE. THIS IS INTERESTING. IT'S A LAND-USE QUESTION THAT I'M BEING ASKED TO ANSWER. I'M NOT BEING ASKED TO ANSWER A BUSINESS QUESTION, SO, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE INPUT, AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CURRENT OWNER WOULD BE ABLE TO DO WITH IT, SO THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNCIL, I WILL AS WAS STATED, I WILL REMIND US THAT THIS IS A LAND-USE DISCUSSION. AND FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, IT'S A LAND-USE DISCUSSION. SO, MAYOR PRO TEM AXBERG? 
          >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, MR. SCHAPIRO. I DID NOT SEE IN ANY OF THE DOCUMENTATION ANY KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE , WAS THERE ANY KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE RESEARCH OR ANYTHING PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT WHATEVER IS BEING PROPOSED , THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE , THE CURRENT ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING CAN SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER? 
          >> THERE REALLY WASN'T AT THIS MOMENT, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST DOING THE ENTITLEMENT FOR THE ZONING. THAT, AGAIN, COMES AFTERWARDS. THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE CIVIL PLANS AND BUILDING PLANS TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ABLE 
          TO PHYSICALLY WORK. >> IS SO, SO I UNDERSTAND, THAT TYPICALLY IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION AT THIS 
          POINT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. 
          >> THANK YOU. AND THE DENSITY QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER, SO, THEY'RE NOT INCREASING ANY OF THE UNITS, THEY'RE NOT INCREASING ANY OF THE VOLUME, LET'S SAY, OF THE PEOPLE THERE. 
          PARKING CHANGES ARE NECESSARY, THERE WAS , IS THAT THE REASON 
          BEHIND ALL OF THAT? >> THAT IS CORRECT, IT WILL 
          REMAIN THE SAME. >> THE UNITS ARE BIGGER, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY MORE , MORE PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT LIVE THERE, CORRECT? THAT'S WHY THE CITY DIDN'T REQUIRE THAT, IS 
          THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH, THANK YOU. AND I JUST HAVE, I HAVE ONE COMMENT, TOO. AS A FAMILY WHO'S BEEN IN CARROLLTON FOR 50 YEARS, AND WITH PARENTS, AND NOW JUST A MOTHER WHO ALSO LIVES IN SENIOR LIVING IN CARROLLTON, I CAN ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENTS AND THE EMOTION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE, WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CARPENTER SAID, IS THAT, IN LAND USE CASES LIKE THIS, YOU ARE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LAND USE IT SELF IS BEING PROPERLY UTILIZED, THAT THOSE PARTICULAR RULES ARE BEING FOLLOWED, AND WE'RE WEIGHING IT ON THAT. I HAVE, QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE TAX REVENUE IS FOR THE CITY. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT WHEN IT COMES TO LAND-USE. WHAT COMES TO RELEVANCE WITH LAND-USE IS BEING ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS BEING PROPERLY UTILIZED, BUT ALL OF THOSE ORDINANCES ARE BEING FOLLOWED. AND IT FITS WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS MUCH AS I REALLY DO BOTH EMPATHIZE AND 
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SYMPATHIZE WITH OUR RESIDENTS, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS. THIS 
          PROPOSAL. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLINE? 
          >> MR. SCHAPIRO, IS THERE A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THE CURRENT BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND THE PROPOSED MAIN BUILDING 
          FOOTPRINT? >> I DID NOT PUT IT ON THE POWERPOINT, HOWEVER, WITHIN YOUR, WITHIN YOUR CASE REPORT THERE IS THAT. THE EASIEST THING TO SHOW IS THE AERIAL, THAT BASICALLY SHOWS THE FOOTPRINT. OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          >> I GUESS I WAS FOLLOWING UP ON MR. CARPENTER'S QUESTION. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ADD SOME EXISTING STRUCTURE OR , DOES IT 
          REQUIRE THIS -- A >> IF THEY WERE TO ADD TO THIS, THEN IT WOULD TRIGGER GOING THROUGH ANOTHER CASE. 
          >> BECAUSE THE CURRENT IS LIMITED TO TWO STORIES. 
          >> AND THE FOOTPRINT, IF IT'S MODIFIED, THAT WOULD ALSO 
          TRIGGER. >> AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A LAND-USE DISCUSSION. WHAT IS REALLY HARD IS LISTENING TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES. MY MOTHER LIVED TO BE 96, BUT ALSO, REALIZING , THIS PROJECT MAY NOT BE SUSTAINABLE AS IS. I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER IS COMING TO US WITH A REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO SERVE SOMEHOW IN THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE LOOK AT THE MONEY, OR ANYTHING. AS IF IT WAS JUST , UNFORTUNATELY, THESE ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER ISSUES. THIS IS A HARD 
          DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER FLEMING. 
          >> YES, SIR, MR. MAYOR. MR. SCHAPIRO. HAS THERE BEEN ANY IMPACT STUDIES TO SHOW ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL, ANY KIND OF VISUAL THAT MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH INCREASING THE BUSINESS , THE BUILDING HEIGHT? 
          >> THERE HAS NOT. AT THIS LEVEL. >> HOW DOES THIS TO PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT RELATE TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS ? 
          >> FROM A LAND-USE STANDPOINT, THE SCALE OF IT ISN'T THAT MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN WHAT'S SURROUNDING IT. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY, BUT IS ACROSS THE STREET, AS PRESENTED BEFORE, THEY PROVIDED A PROFILE OF THE BUILDING IN COMPARISON TO THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET. THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. 
          >> WHAT ABOUT THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AND PARKING? 
          >> AGAIN, SINCE THE NUMBER OF UNITS ARE CHANGING, IT DIDN'T TRIGGER THE NECESSITY FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          >> RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO REITERATE WHAT OUR FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS ARE SAYING, THIS IS A LAND-USE DISCUSSION . BUT, IN SAYING THAT, I KNOW THAT IN THE U.S. RIGHT NOW, THE NUMBER ONE CRISIS IN AMERICA IS QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND IT'S ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND THE CITY OF CARROLLTON IS NO DIFFERENT. WHAT I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN , COME THROUGH WOULD BE, THIS PARTICULAR OWNER COME IN AND APPLY FOR SOME TYPE OF TAX CREDIT OR INCENTIVES IN ORDER TO KEEP THESE RENTS THE SAME. 
          INSTEAD OF GOING DOWN AT SOMETHING NEW AND GIVING MORE RENTS. BECAUSE I SAY WE GIVE FORMALLY TO CORPORATIONS, WE GIVE FOR $5 MILLION TO MILLIONAIRES. BUT, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. FOR THE SIMPLE FACT, THIS IS A LAND-USE AND I THINK THE BEST USE IS IN ITS CURRENT CAPACITY. THANK YOU. 
          >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM PALOMA. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. SCHAPIRO, LOOKING OVER THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US, I DIDN'T SEE ANY TIMEFRAME FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES. WAS THERE ONE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT? 
          >> THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO ASK THE APPLICANT. IT'S ONLY THE ZONING THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT. 
          >> WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO 
          RESPOND. >> YOU WANT MY NAME AGAIN? 
          >> GO AHEAD. >> VICTORIA, WITH JACKSON 
          WALKER. >> SO, DID YOU SUBMIT ANY SORT OF A TIMEFRAME, OR PLAN TO GIVE -- 
          >> WE DID NOT. THIS IS A LENGTHY PROCESS, FIRST TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE ENTITLEMENTS, AND STILL WORKING THROUGH THE CLOSURE OF THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY, FURTHERING DESIGN EFFORTS, AND 
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THEN ALSO SECURING FINANCING FOR THE PROJECTS, WE'RE MANY, MANY MONTHS OUT FROM GETTING TO ALL OF THOSE POINTS. SO, NOT YET. 
          >> I, TOO, EMPATHIZE AND SYMPATHIZE WITH MANY OF THE SPEAKERS HERE TONIGHT, WE DO APPRECIATE YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND COMING HERE TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS WITH US. IT IS A LAND-USE CASE, BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, AS FAR AS MY TIME ON COUNCIL, I HAVEN'T BEEN ON A LAND-USE CASE WHERE THERE WERE SO MANY RESIDENTS ON THE LAND THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED. SO, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I, WITH MY WHOLE HEART, CANNOT VOTE FOR THIS. THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNCILMEMBER PALACIOS. >> THANK YOU, JUST WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS. FIRST, AS MY OTHER COLLEAGUES AND COUNCILMEMBERS OF SAID THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING SITUATION FOR ALL OF US. THIS ONE EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO EACH ONE OF YOU FOR COMING OUT AND SPEAKING. IT IS A LAND-USE CASE AS YOU'VE HEARD MANY TIMES, NOW. I'M STILL THINKING, THANK YOU FOR YOUR 
          INVOLVEMENT. >> COUNCILMEMBER PALACIOS 
          >> ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER WATTERS? 
          >> THANK YOU, FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. FOR THE SENTIMENTS. WHAT YOU'VE EXPRESSED IS NOT LOST TO US. WE ARE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE FAMILY. LIKE YOU SAID, IT COULD BE , IT COULD BE A FAMILY MEMBER , OR IT COULD BE US. WE ARE LIMITED BY WHAT WE CAN DECIDE ON TONIGHT, ESSENTIALLY LAND-USE IS LAND-USE. AND I STILL HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT WHAT YOU'VE EXPRESSED IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO UNDERSTAND AND WE FEEL. THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNCILMEMBER FLEMING. >> YES, SIR, MR. MAYOR. FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT TALKED ABOUT LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK, YOUR CURRENT SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER, HE LIVES 
          PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER LIGHTS TO SPEAK OR QUESTIONS TO ASK. AGAIN, THIS IS AS INDICATED A DISCUSSION OF LAND USE. OF COURSE, COUNCIL IS LISTENS TO ALL THE INPUT, SOME INPUT IS TIED TO LAND-USE , APPROPRIATE, SOME MAY OR MAY NOT BE. THAT'S FOR THE COUNCIL TO DETERMINE. I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER, COUNCILMEMBER CLINE. 
          >> JUST, YOUR MENTION WHEN ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SPOKE, WE WOULD ASK WHO THE OWNER WAS CURRENTLY. AND, I WAS JUST GOING TO CLARIFY, IT IS NOT THE APPLICANT, IT'S THE OTHER 
          GENTLEMAN. WHO IS THE OWNER. >> THE APPLICANT, AGAIN, IS A DEVELOPER WHO IS APPLIED FOR A ZONING PLAN DEVELOPMENT CHANGE. 
          THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT THE APPLICANT. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT BUT IF YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          >> YES, MR. MAYOR, THAT'S CORRECT. WE ARE ASPEN SENIOR LIVING IS A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, THE APPLICANT TO THIS REQUEST, BUT OF COURSE WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERED A PROPERTY OWNER TO PROCEED WITH THEIR REQUESTS, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR 
          HIM. >> THE PROPERTY OWNER SPOKE IN 
          FAVOR OF THE CASE. >> YES, SIR. OKAY, COUNCIL, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER LIGHTS TO SPEAK. THIS IS A LAND-USE DISCUSSION. BASED ON THE ELEMENTS AS STIPULATED IN THE CASE. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION, MAYOR PRO 
          TEM AXBERG. >> ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE PD-39 . IS THAT 
          CORRECT? >> IT'S PLZT 20 -- ASPENS 
          ROSEMEADE SENIOR LIVING CENTER. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE. 
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          >> THERE WE GO. COUNCILMEMBER CARPENTER. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, I SECOND THE MOTION. 
          >> I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM AXBERG AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARPENTER TO APPROVE I'VE NEVER 24 WHICH IS CASE NUMBER PLZT 2025-132 ASPENS ROSEMEADE SENIOR LIVING . ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OTHERWISE I WILL CALL THE VOTE. 
          SEEING NONE, I WILL CALL THE VOTE. AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE PASSES WITH COUNCILMEMBERS FLEMING AND PALERMO IN OPPOSITION. AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE ALL THOSE WHO CAME OUT TO SPEAK TODAY. I'M SORRY FOR THOSE WHO SPOKE AND THE VOTE WENT AGAINST WHAT THEIR DESIRE WAS. STAFF WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT FOR NEXT STEPS. OKAY. COUNCIL, WITH THAT, THAT TAKES 
          [25. Hold A Public Hearing To Consider An Ordinance Amending The Zoning For An Approximately 10-Acre Tract Zoned Planned Development District 132 (PD-132) For The (O-4) Office District And Located At The Northwest Corner Of Josey Lane And Arbor Creek Drive; To Repeal And Replace Ordinance No. 4196, Reestablishing Planned Development 132; To Allow Additional Covered Parking, To Modify Conceptual Plans And To Revise Development Standards; Amending The Official Zoning Map Accordingly. Case No. PLZ 2025-137 Avenida Carrollton Covered Parking.]
US TO OUR NEXT CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. NUMBER, I'M SORRY, NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, NUMBER 25. THIS IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING FOR AN APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRE TRACT ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 132 FOR THE O-4 OFFICE DISTRICT AND LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF JOSEY LANE AND ARBOR CREEK DRIVE , TO REPEAL AND REPLACE ORDINANCE NUMBER 4196, ESTABLISHING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 132 TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL COVERED PARKING , TO MODIFY CONCEPTUAL PLANS, AND TO REVISE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS , AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ACCORDINGLY. THIS IS CASE NUMBER PLZ 2025-137 , AVENIDA CARROLLTON COVERED PARKING. MR. SHAPIRO. 
          >> MAYOR, COUNCIL, THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT BEFORE YOU IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE EXCEPT THAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO CREATE NEW CARPORTS, OR THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT NEW CARPORTS. SIMILAR TO THE LAST CASE BECAUSE THEY'RE CHANGING THE CONCEPT PLAN, BASICALLY ADDING THE 77 SPACES THAT WILL BE COVERED, NOT ADDING PARKING BUT BARELY THE PARKING STRUCTURE, THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO COME BACK AND PROVIDE US A REVISED CONCEPT PLAN. NONE OF THE OTHER STIPULATIONS IN THE CASE REPORT OR THE ORDINANCE IS GOING TO CHANGE, OTHER THAN THE COVERED PARKING IS PROVIDED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. AND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT CONCEPT PLAN. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATIONS INDICATED IN THE 
          CASE REPORT. >> OKAY, COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ON THE ITEM? OTHERWISE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, IS THE 
          APPLICANT HERE? >> YES. 
          >> IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT, YOU MAY DO 
          SO. >> MY NAME IS FRANK ENGLISH, I REPRESENT AVENIDA CARROLLTON. WE ARE A THIRD-PARTY GROUP, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL. AFTER HAVING BUILT AVENIDA, WE REALIZE THAT THE RESIDENTS MUCH PREFERRED TO HAVE COVERED PARKING,  BECAUSE GOOD OLD TEXAS HEAT, AND IT PROVIDES THEM SOME ADDITIONAL COVER FOR THAT, THAT PROPERTY IS PRESENTLY BY AND THE 80% RANGE AS FAR AS AT LEAST IN THAT, OUR PLAN WAS TO ADD 35, ONCE WE REALIZED WE HAD TO KEEP COMING BACK FOR PLANNING AND ZONING, WE SAID, WHAT'S OUR OUTLINE? AND WE CAME UP WITH 77 WOULD BE THE TOTAL. OUR FIRST DATE WOULD BE 35, AND WE WANTED TO COME BACK ONCE AND NOT HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK EVERY TIME AND TAKE YOUR TIME IN DOING THIS. 
          >> SO, THE FULL BEYOND THE 35 IS ALL THE RED HIGHLIGHTS. AND JUST FOR OUR BENEFIT, WHAT IS THE FIRST PHASE? 
          >> IT'S DOWN ON THE BOTTOM, THREE, THOSE THAT ARE ONE UP ON THE TOP. THAT'S WHERE THOSE WILL END UP GOING, TO THE 35. 
          ORIGINALLY THEY WERE ASKED TO BE PUT ON FACING JOSEY, THE ZONING DEPARTMENT SO THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT FACING JOSEY FOR THAT. THAT 
          WAS NOT A PROBLEM. >> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR 
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THE APPLICANT FOR STAFF? OTHERWISE I'LL MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING. AXBERG, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU WERE THERE FOR A SECOND AND IT DISAPPEARED. 
          >> YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS REGISTERED FOR ANYONE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE APPLICANT IS ENTITLED TO A REBUTTAL, BEING NO TESTIMONY, I ASSUME YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH YOUR INITIAL RESPONSE. WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN , CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING, AND ENTERTAIN FURTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION. 
          COUNCILMEMBER AXBERG. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER PLZ 2025-137 . AVENIDA 
          CARROLLTON COVERED PARKING. >> OKAY. AND, COUNCILMEMBER 
          CLINE. >> I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT 
          MOTION. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM AXBERG AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL NUMBER CLIENT TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER PLZ 2025-137 AVENIDA CARROLLTON COVERED PARKING. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL THE VOTE. AND 
          [26. Hold A Public Hearing To Consider An Ordinance Of The City Council Of The City Of Carrollton, Texas Amending Ordinance Number 1470, Otherwise Known As The Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance, By Amending Article XX.1 Corporate Commercial District To Remove Certain Existing Restrictions On Uses And Article V. Use Of Land Concurrently, Revisions To Article V Would Reclassify XC Uses To Be Permitted By Right, SC Uses To Be Permitted By Way Of An SUP, AC Uses To Be Permitted As An Accessory Use By Right, And SAC Uses To Be Permitted By Way Of An SUP Within The Corporate Commercial District And To Remove The Allowed By Right Designation For The “Temporary On-Site Construction Office, Temporary On-Site Hiring or Employment Office or Temporary On-Site Administration Office” And Article XXXIV. Definitions To Remove The Term “Structure” From The Building Coverage Definition. Case No. PLZT 2025-120 CZO (CC) Corporate Commercial Zoning District And The Conditional Use Restrictions. Case Coordinator: Emily Offer.]
THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, CONGRATULATIONS. MY NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 26, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARROLLTON AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 1470, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, BY AMENDING ARTICLE 20.ONE , CORPORATE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO REMOVE CERTAIN EXISTING RESTRICTIONS ON USERS AND ARTICLE FIVE, USE OF LAND CONCURRENT , CONCURRENTLY, REVISIONS TO ARTICLE FIVE WOULD RECLASSIFY CAPITAL XC USES IT TO BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, SC USES TO BE PERMITTED BY WAY OF AN TO BE PERMITTED AS AN ACCESSORY USE BY RIGHT, AND SAC USES TO BE PERMITTED BY WAY OF AN SUP WITHIN THE CORPORATE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND TO REMOVE THE ALLOWED BY RIGHT DESIGNATION FOR THE TEMPORARY ON-SITE CONSTRUCTION OFFICE , TEMPORARY ON-SITE HIRING AND APPOINTED OFFICE, OR TEMPORARY ON-SITE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, AND ARTICLE XXXIV, DEFINITIONS TO REMOVE THE TERM STRUCTURE FROM THE BUILDING COVERAGE DEFINITION. THIS IS CASE NUMBER PLZT 2025-120 CZ OCC CORPORATE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND CONDITIONAL USE FICTIONS. CASE COORDINATOR IS EMILY OFFER. MR. SHAPIRO. 
          >> YES, MAYOR, COUNCIL, WHAT THIS PRIMARILY USE IS TO MODIFY OUR CORPORATE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THIS IS PRIMARILY AN AREA ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE CITY, IT WAS ANTICIPATED THAT THIS WOULD BECOME A CORPORATE OFFICE PARK ESSENTIALLY. IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1993 WITH THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD DEVELOP AS SUCH, SINCE THAT TIME IF YOU LOOK AT THE ARIAL ON THE RIGHT, PRIMARILY IT'S EXISTED, IT IS DEVELOPED AS SINGLE-FAMILY, WITH VERY LITTLE IN THE WAY OF NONRESIDENTIAL WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS OF SOME OFFICE WAREHOUSE TYPE USES, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF CORPORATE OFFICES THAT ARE OUT THERE. THE MARKET HAS DICTATED THAT MORE RETAIL ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN IN DEMAND, FROM PREDEVELOPMENT MEETINGS TO DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED. STARTING FROM THE CORNER OF JOSEY LANE AND PARKER , THAT CORNER HAS PRIMARILY COME IN BOTH ZONING WISE AND DEVELOPMENT AS RETAIL MULTIFAMILY , RETAIL AND SERVICE ORIENTED , THE SAME HOLDS TRUE FOR THE REMAINING PARCELS THAT ARE LEFT OVER. SO, WHAT STAFF IS WANTING TO DO IS TO UPDATE AND BASICALLY COME BACK AND MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO IT, BECAUSE IT'S GEARED TOWARD ONLY THAT CAMPUS STYLE OFFICE, WHERE IT'S DISCOURAGING THAT AMENDED RETAIL AND SERVICE TYPE INDUSTRIES THAT WOULD GO IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS THAT THERE IS VERY STRINGENT REGULATIONS PRESUMING THAT IT WOULD DEVELOP AS CORPORATE OFFICE, WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS WOULD DO IS ESSENTIALLY COME BACK AND 
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ELIMINATE THE CONDITIONAL USE ASPECT OF IT AND ARE YOU START, NOT TO MAKE IT TOO CONVOLUTED, THERE'S ACTUALLY SEPARATE SYMBOLS OR ABBREVIATIONS FOR ACCESSORY USES, THOSE USES ALLOWED BY RIGHT, OR THOSE THAT REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT EVEN THOSE THAT ARE ACCESSORY. BECAUSE WE NO LONGER SEE THE DEMAND FOR NEED FOR CORPORATE OFFICE STYLE, NOT TO SAY THEY CAN'T COME THERE, WE DIDN'T FEEL IT SHOULD PENALIZE THE REMAINING TRACKS TO DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE BY HAVING ALL THESE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE. THAT SAID, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS, IN ADDITION TO GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE RETAILERS SERVICES TO COME IN, WE'RE SIMPLIFYING IT SO THAT ANY OF THESE ADDITIONAL USES SUCH AS WHAT WAS ONCE CALLED AN ACCESSORY CONDITIONAL USE WOULD JUST GO UNDER THE AUSPICES OF BEING AN ACCESSORY USE, AS ALREADY INDICATED IN ARTICLE FIVE. THE SCENE WAS SO TRUE FOR THOSE USES THAT WERE ADDITIONAL USES BUT ALLOWED BY RIGHT BUT SYMBOLIZED AS XC, THEY WOULD BE A DOT ON ARE YOU START THAT WOULD MAKE IT ALLOWED BY RIGHT WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THE SAME THING BUT WITHOUT THE ADDITIONS. THE SAME WOULD HOLD TRUE FOR THOSE USES THAT WOULD SYMBOLIZING AN SC, SPECIALIZED CONDITIONAL USE WITH SU P, AND FINALLY A SPECIALIZED USE AS AN ACCESSORY USE REQUIRING AN SEP. IN THOSE INSTANCES THEY WOULD JUST BE ALLOWED BY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. ESSENTIALLY, SIMPLIFYING IT IN OUR YOU START. 
          -- BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY TEMPORARY. THE SECOND CHANGES REGARDING BUILDING COVERAGE. TO BETTER CLARIFY, IT'S BASICALLY THE SITE COVERED BY THE BUILDING , BUILDING IS ALREADY COVERS THE STRUCTURE, SO WE MAKE IT A LOT EASIER BY REMOVING THAT TERM, MAKES IT EASIER TO ADMINISTER AND ENFORCE. THOSE ARE THE CHANGES WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE, THOSE CHANGES ARE REFLECTED IN THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. 
          >> OKAY, COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SCHAPIRO ON THE CHANGES TO THE CCO? COUNCILMEMBER FLEMING? 
          >> WHY IS THE TEMPORARY ON-SITE OFFICE , WHY IS THAT BEING 
          REMOVED? >> WITHIN OUR ARTICLE FIVE, THE USE CHART, THERE'S ACTUALLY A DUPLICATION, ONE HAS TEMPORARY ON-SITE, AND IT HAS A T NEXT TO IT, THE OTHER JUST HAS IT BASICALLY AS A USE, SO WE WANTED TO GET RID OF IT, IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO HAVE IT AS A SINGLE USE ON THE USE CHART. 
          >> WITH THIS MAKE CONSTRUCTION A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO 
          MANAGE IN THE FUTURE? >> NO, IT WILL REMAIN THE SAME. 
          IT'S JUST, WE HAD A DUPLICATE OF IT, AND WE JUST CLASSIFIED IT DIFFERENT, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT WAS DOING THE SAME THING. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          >> COUNCIL, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS LISTED FOR STAFF, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS, YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW. OKAY, SEEING THEM, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL, WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. COUNCILMEMBER CARPENTER? 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 
          26. >> AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM 
          PALOMO? >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          >> COUNCIL, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CARPENTER AND THE SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM PALOMO TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 26, CASE NUMBER PLZT 2025-120 CZO CC CORPORATE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND THE CONDITIONAL USE RESTRICTIONS CASE COORDINATOR, EMILY OFFER. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING THEM, I WILL CALL THE VOTE. 
          [PUBLIC FORUM]
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THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCIL, THAT TAKES US TO OUR PUBLIC FORUM. I HAVE ONE CARD TO SPEAK, MISS SISSY SILO. 
          >> 1512, BLUE MESA, CARROLLTON, TEXAS, 75007. BEEN A RESIDENT OF CARROLLTON ABOUT 40 YEARS, THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR ALLOWING ME. I EMAILED YOU AND ASKED TO COME SPEAK, I WASN'T SURE IF I WAS ALLOWED. I RETIRED FIVE YEARS AGO, FROM WORKING. I SYMPATHIZE WITH A LOT OF THE PEOPLE HERE , I RETIRED FIVE YEARS AGO TO TAKE CARE OF MY FATHER WHO HAD ALZHEIMER'S. AND HE LIVED WITH US, HE PASSED AWAY LAST YEAR AT ALMOST 93. NOW I TAKE CARE OF HER 16-MONTH-OLD GRANDSON. FULL-CIRCLE IN MY LIFE. I CAME HERE TONIGHT TO THANK, ONE, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, A RESIDENT TOLD ME WE ARE OFTEN VERY BUSY IN OUR LIVES, AND WE OFTEN CRITICIZE OR GIVE THORNS IN OUR LIVES. WE'RE ALL OF US VERY QUICK TO DO THAT. BUT SO OFTEN DO WE GIVE ROSES OUT, OR TAKE THANK YOU TO PEOPLE. AND I TOOK THAT TO HEART WHEN THIS PERSON CAME AND TOLD ME THAT. I TOOK THAT AS A PHILOSOPHY IN LIFE, BOTH PERSONALLY AND IN BUSINESS FROM THAT DAY FORWARD. SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE YOU SOME ROSES OF A NUMBER OF YOUR STAFF, AND ALSO ONE TO YOU. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING YOUR TIME TO SERVE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WOULD EVER DO. I KNOW IT TAKES SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILIES, YOUR BUSINESSES, AND IT TAKES A LOT TO SIT IN FRONT OF US AND MAKE DECISIONS THAT LEAD OUR CITIZENS AND US WHERE WE NEED TO BE FINANCIALLY. TO BE IN LEADERSHIP ROLES AND I THINK EACH OF YOU ALSO ARE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY, THANK YOU FOR SERVING. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SECOND, ROBBIE SHOP. I SERVED FOR A LONG TIME, PROBABLY MORE THAN 10 YEARS AS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT STEPPED DOWN. I OFTEN GET CALLED BY OUR CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT TO HELP OUT OCCASIONALLY. I REACHED OUT TO ROBBIE ON AN ISSUE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I EMAILED HIM, I DON'T HAVE PHONE NUMBERS ANYMORE. I EMAILED HIM, HE CALLED ME WITHIN MINUTES ON HIS PERSONAL CELL PHONE ON A DAY OFF OF HIS ACCORD, I WAS SHOCKED THAT THE CITY EMPLOYEE WOULD CALL ME BACK QUICKLY TO DISCUSS SOMETHING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          HE SCHEDULED A MEETING, ALLOWED ME TO COME WITH MY 16-MONTH-OLD GRANDSON TO COME WITH THE MEETING, SCHEDULED IT , I GUESS ALL THE STAFF HAS LEFT. OH, YOU'RE STILL HERE. PLANNING STAFF, ENGINEERING STAFF CAME, IT WAS A GREAT MEETING, AND I APPRECIATED HOW MUCH THEY WENT TO BED EFFORT TO RESOLVE SOME OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES. IT'S NOT OFTEN YOU GET THAT KIND OF CUSTOMER SERVICE FROM CITY STAFF , AND I WOULD SAY ROBBIE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND, EVEN HELPED ME CARRY MY GRANDSON OUT TO MY CAR WHEN THE MEETING WAS OVER. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT WAS A SPECIAL ABOVE AND BEYOND. SECOND, JONATHAN REACHED OUT TO ME RECENTLY, I HAPPENED TO SEE SOMETHING ELSE REGARDING FRANKFORD ROAD. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRESIDENT KEEPS REACHING OUT TO ME ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS, AND I SAW SOMETHING. 
          JONATHAN REACHED OUT TO ME THIS WEEKEND, I DID NOT EXPECT THAT. 
          THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR A CITY STAFF MEMBER. AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS WRONG, DEBBIE MONTES , SHE IS A LIBRARY RESOURCE SUPERVISOR IN HER STAFF, I HAD A CLOUD LIBRARY ISSUE OVER ONE WEEKEND, I WENT INTO THE PHONE FOR JOSIE LIBRARY, AND THE STAFF AT THE DESK DIDN'T FIX MY LOUD ISSUE EITHER. SO THAT EMAILED UNDER MY EMAIL ADDRESS, AND GABBY EMAILED ME BACK ON A SATURDAY. ONCE AGAIN, SHE WAS OFF, SHE EMAILED ME IN MY CLOUD LIBRARY ISSUE IS RESOLVED, THAT'S EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR SOMEONE TO TAKE THEIR TIME WHEN THEY'RE ON THEIR DAY OFF, ALSO, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU AS A NANA, TO MY GRANDSON, YOUR LIBRARY IS EXCEPTIONAL. I GO TO RICHARDSON LIBRARY, DALLAS LIBRARY, FRISCO LIBRARY, BECAUSE I HAVE A 16-MONTH-OLD I ENTERTAIN FIVE DAYS A WEEK 10 HOURS A DAY. THE FRISCO LIBRARY OVERWHELMS HIM, CARROLLTON JOSIE RANCH LIBRARY 
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IS THE BEST LIBRARY ALLOWED IN THE METROPLEX. THE ACTIVITIES, THE STORYTIME, IT'S FABULOUS. THESE KEEP FUNDING THAT. I NEVER WENT AND TOOK MY KIDS BECAUSE I WAS WORKING, BUT NOW, THE ACTIVITIES THERE ARE FABULOUS AND THE PARENTS I TALK AROUND TO LOVE IT. LASTLY, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY OFFICIALS, FIRE AND POLICE WHO ATTENDED OUR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. I TALKED TO JASON MOLL HE WAS THERE, THE FIRE AND POLICEMAN, THANK YOU FOR COMING. IT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU FOR COMING, THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR 
          ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. >> THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS, BUT IF ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL, YOU MAY DO SO BY APPROACHING THE PODIUM NOW. I DON'T SEE ANYONE MOVING, SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM, AND COUNCIL, WITH THAT, WE WILL STAND A 
          >> OKAY, COUNCIL, WE WILL PICK UP OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER SIX TO DISCUSS THE PLANNING AND ZONING FINDINGS RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. ME AGAIN, SCHAPIRO, INAUDIBLE ] SO, AS YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN REALLY RESEARCHING THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS , SINCE WE DID THE PROHIBITION WITH THEM, BACK IN MAY. SO, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FAMILIAR LIST FOR THE COUNCIL, MAYOR, WE LOOK INTO WHEN WE DID THE PROHIBITION, THE PURPOSE OF IT WAS TO RESEARCH, WHAT CAN WE DO NEXT, WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE? WE LOOK TO THESE THEMES, JUST THIS PAST MEETING BACK ON THE 23RD OF SEPTEMBER, YOU ALL LOOKED AT SAFETY ZONES AND TRAFFIC PREVENTION THAT WAS THE TOPIC OF, WHAT I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON TODAY IS THE ZONING RESTRICTIONS, AND THE COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL AREAS. LET'S START WITH ZONING REGULATIONS. 
          LIKE TO GO BACK AT OUR CURRENT STANDARDS ARE, BEFORE THE INTERIM PROHIBITION CAME IN, AS YOU KNOW, AS TR'S WERE BASICALLY ALLOWED BUT WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, ALSO, BY RIGHT IN OUR HISTORIC SQUARE, WHICH IS THE DOWNTOWN TRANSIT CENTER. THAT'S DIFFERENTLY AS YOU KNOW, OWNER OR OPERATOR HAS TO OCCUPY IT, AND IT WAS ALLOWED BY S U.P. AS WELL AS THE SINGLE-FAMILY DUPLEX TO SIX, AND OF COURSE OUR ZONING ORDINANCE ALSO DEFINES THE STR'S AND BED AND BREAKFAST. I KNOW IT'S SCHMALTZY BUT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY OUR CURRENT USE CHART WHICH OBVIOUSLY, WOULD IT BE ALLOWED IN THE DISTRICT BUT ONLY WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE ONLY EXCEPTION WAS FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN HISTORIC SQUARE AND URBAN GENERAL, WITH AN S U.P. IS THE AREA THAT HAS THE LEAST DENSITY , THAT'S WHY WE WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE WAS A THEME THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU, IN JULY BY COREY, JUST THIS PAST MEETING. WE CAME BACK AND WE WANTED TO ALSO LOOK AT WHAT DID OTHER CITIES DO AS IT RELATES TO THAT? WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING AS FAR AS REGULATING THOSE CATEGORIES OF CHARACTERISTICS? WE LOOK AT SEVERAL CITIES AND OUR FOCUS IS ON THE DENSITIES, WHAT ARE THEY DOING AS FAR AS BUFFERING FROM OTHER SHORT-TERM RENTALS, OR ARE THEY LIMITING HOW MANY CAN BE IN CITIES THAT WERE PROVIDING DENSITIES, DO THEY HAVE PROHIBITIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE? AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS LIST, AUSTIN LOOKED AT THE FIRST COLUMN, THE SECOND COLUMN FROM THE WEST FOR SINGLE-FAMILY, WHAT THAT MEANT IS, HOW FAR WOULD YOU HAVE TO BE FROM A SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT OR IN THIS CASE MOST OF THE TIME IT WAS THE SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT THAT HAD THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. IN AUSTIN THEY DID IT BY CENSUS TRACT, U.S. CENSUS COMES BACK AND THEY HAVE CENSUS TRACTS, SO THEY DID IT BY 1000 FEET FROM THOSE CENSUS TRACTS. BUT, THEY ALSO WENT AHEAD AND THEY ALSO SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO 3% OF THE TOTAL UNITS. THEY WANTED TO LIMIT IT THAT WAY, THEY HAD NO CAPS. DENTIN WHICH IS CLOSER BY 
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US, THEY ARE THE LEAST STRINGENT, THEY HAVE A 100 FOOT, BASICALLY SEPARATION FROM ANOTHER STR, SINGLE FAMILY AND THEY PROVIDE A CAP OF 10% FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WITH THEIR CAP IT'S MISLEADING, IT'S 1000 PERMIT THEY ALLOW PER YEAR, NOT A CAP PER SE ON A PERMANENT BASIS. THE NEXT ONE, THEY BASICALLY HAVE 12 1/2% OF , THINK OF IT AS A SINGLE-FAMILY BLOCK IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, THOSE AREAS BETWEEN STREETS FOR EXAMPLE, THEY ALLOWED 12.5% PER BLOCK, OR 12 1/2% PER MULTIFAMILY BUILDING IS HOW THEY CALLED IT, THEY ALSO DIDN'T HAVE ANY CAPS. GRAPEVINE PROHIBITED SINGLE-FAMILY ALTOGETHER, TO HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN A SINGLE-FAMILY. THAT SAID, THEY DO ALLOW IT IN MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN THEY ALSO RESTRICT THAT IT IS 500 FEET FROM ANY AREAS ZONED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY. LOUISVILLE, WHILE THEY DIDN'T HAVE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS, THEY DID HAVE A CAP. THEY HAVE AN OVERALL CAP OF 130 SHORT-TERM RENTALS ALLOWED THROUGHOUT THE CITY. PLANO HAD A PROHIBITION OF ALLOWING SINGLE-FAMILY, SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THEIR HERITAGE RESOURCE OVERLAY DISTRICT. THEY DID PROVIDE LIMITATIONS, THOUGH, ON A 5% CAP FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE AREAS AND THEY DID NOT HAVE A CAP. I DON'T KNOW WHY I PUT SAN MARCO'S IN THERE. THEY HAD RESTRICTIONS. VERY QUICKLY. 
          THEY HAD SOME RESTRICTIONS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT NONE OF THEM , DIDN'T GET TOO MUCH INTO THE DENSITY. WACO, HOWEVER, HAD A PRETTY GOOD REGULATION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS, A 500 FOOT DISTANCE REQUIREMENT FOR OTHER SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT ARE SINGLE-FAMILY, THEY LIMITED IT TO A MINIMUM OF THE MOST FOR FIVE UNITS WITHIN MULTIFAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX. AND WEATHERFORD, SIMILAR TO LEWIS, ALLOWED A 25% LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN A BLOG, AND THAT FLOWS OVER TO MULTIFAMILY, THEY COULD HAVE UP TO 25% PER BLOCK OR PER RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY. SO, WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN? THIS IS LOOKING AT A COMPARISON TO WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES IN TEXAS DO, WITH IT BEING A HIGH PROPERTY RIGHTS STATE WE WANTED TO FOCUS OUR ATTENTION ON TEXAS AND WHAT HAS WORKED, WHAT IS ADOPTED MOST IMPORTANTLY. SO, WHAT THIS MAP IS, IT'S KIND OF MESSY BUT I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU. YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THE CHILD SAFETY, WHAT THIS MAP REPRESENTS IS THE RED BOUNDARIES OR WHERE ALL OF OUR PARKS, ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS , ALL OF OUR PLAYGROUNDS AND TRAILS ARE LOCATED. THAT'S HOW WE COME UP WITH A CHILD SAFETY ZONE DEFINITION. THAT'S THE RED AREAS. WHAT THE GREEN AREAS ARE, THOSE ARE THE AREAS ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILIES. THAT GIVES YOU A PERSPECTIVE FROM A HOLISTIC VIEW PRETTY HIGH UP TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. YOU'RE KIND OF AWARE OF THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS GIVES YOU A VIEW OF WHAT AREAS, WHAT HOLES ARE LEFT OVER THAT ARE NOT IN THOSE BUFFER AREAS THAT ARE YOUR CHILD SAFETY ZONES. BUT, THE NEXT THING WE DID, WE LOOKED AT WHAT THOSE OTHER CITIES DID. NONE OF THE CITIES HAD ANY CHILD SAFETY ZONES, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL BUT DID HAVE THESE BUFFER AREAS THAT VARIED ANYWHERE FROM 100 FEET, UP TO 1000 FEET THAT AUSTIN DID. SO, WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO IS LOOK AT THE EXISTING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THAT'S WHAT THIS MAP REPRESENTS. LOOKING AT THOSE DISTANCES BETWEEN SHORT-TERM RENTALS, 300, 500, OR 1000 FEET. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS GRAPHIC INDICATES, AND THE SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING IS UNDERNEATH IT, SO YOU GET A SENSE OF WHERE ALL THESE ARE. WE DECIDED, WOULDN'T IT BE NEAT TO COMBINE THEM WITH THAT SAFETY ZONE, SO, YOU SAW THE HOLES THAT WERE LEFT WITH THE CHILD SAFETY ZONES, WE WENT AHEAD AND ALSO LOOKED AT THE GRAPHICS FOR THE VARIOUS PROPER DISTANCE FOR 300, 500, 1000 FEET. YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S LEFT OVER OF AREAS, IT SHOWS THE INSIDE OF A LOT OF THESE BUFFERS, BUT ALSO THOSE THAT ARE ISLANDS THAT ARE REMAINING THEIR OUTSIDE. TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK, TO MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING, THIS IS THE 300 FOOT BUFFER, AND WE FOUND AN AREA ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF CARROLLTON, WHERE THERE IS LITERALLY THAT HOLE, WHERE THERE'S CHILD SAFETY ZONE ON THE PERIPHERY, THE EAST, THE NORTH, THE WESTSIDE, THIS IS OVER BY MARSH AND ROSEMEAD FOR EXAMPLE, IN THESE INSTANCES. THESE ARE EXISTING SHORT-TERM RENTALS BUT IT PROVIDES THAT BUFFER AREA WHERE THEY'RE IN THIS CASE A 300 FOOT BUFFER, FROM AN EXISTING SHORT-TERM RENTAL. 
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THESE GRAY AREAS REPRESENT WHERE, IF YOU WOULD GO WITH A BUFFER LIKE THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR COMING IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THESE GREEN AREAS WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO. WE DID THE SAME THING FOR THE 500 FOOT BUFFER, YOU CAN SEE THERE IS LESSER TRACKS THAT ARE THERE, AND THEN WE DID IT AGAIN FOR 1000 FEET. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE IS LESSER IN THAT SAME SAMPLE AREA. SO, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE LOOKED AT, GIVING YOU A SENSE OF LOOKING AT THE CHILD SAFETY ZONE AND OR THE STR BUFFERS OF VARIOUS DISTANCES. SO, THAT'S WHAT OUR FINDINGS WERE. AS FAR AS THAT GOES FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND CHILD SAFETY ZONES. 
          >> SO, WE'VE HAD A SERIES OF MEETINGS, RIGHT? COVERING DIFFERENT TOPICS. THE BUFFERS, THE CHILD ZONES, RIGHT? WE DO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO SCHEDULE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DIVE INTO SOME LEGAL CONCERNS. BUT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. 
          SHAPIRO BASED ON THIS? >> CAN I TAKE A LOOK AT THAT 
          SLIDE AGAIN THAT HAS THE 1000? >> THIS ONE HERE? 
          >> THE COMPARISON. >> THE OTHER CITIES, I'M SORRY, YES. JUST AUSTIN. THEY DO IT BASED ON CENSUS TRACT. 
          >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE AGAIN HOW THAT MIGHT RELATE IN CARROLLTON? I'M NOT REALLY SURE, CENSUS TRACT MAPS AREN'T ON MY 
          RADAR. >> SO, EVERY 10 YEARS, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMES OUT WITH CENSUS BLOCKS AND CENSUS TRACTS, TO GET A COUNT AND AN IDEA OF DEMOGRAPHICS. AUSTIN DECIDED TO USE THAT MEANS OF BASICALLY HAVING DISTANCES FROM, IN THIS CASE, FOR SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS BY CENSUS TRACT, RATHER THAN BY THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THINK OF 
          IT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD. >> LIKE A DENSITY. IT COULD BE 
          FOUR IN A ROW AS LONG AS -- >> BUT IT'S A LARGER AREA BECAUSE IT'S A CENSUS TRACT. IT COULD BE A SUBDIVISION, IT COULD BE MORE MASSIVE THAN THAT. IT'S BY TRACT, NOT BY CENSUS BLOCK. 
          IT IS A LARGER AREA THAN JUST A TRACT THAT HAS A SHORT-TERM 
          RENTAL ON IT. >> THEY HAVE TO BE SEPARATED BY 1000 FEET IS THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING? 
          >> YES. >> SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          >> WHAT DOES THE NUN REPRESENT? >> AUSTIN IN THIS CASE DOESN'T HAVE A CAP TO THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT CAN BE 
          IN THE CITY. >> I'M SORRY, IN THE FIRST COLUMN SINGLE-FAMILY, IT SAYS NONE/1000 FEET. 
          >> THEY DON'T HAVE A DENSITY WHERE, FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL THE SINGLE-FAMILY, INSTANTLY DO IT BY THE CENSUS 
          TRACT. >> IF THERE'S ONE IN THE CENSUS TRACT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER ONE FOR 1000 FEET. 
          >> SO IN ESSENCE, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU, IT BASICALLY MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE EITHER ON A REALLY BIG TRACK OF LAND OR YOU'VE GOT TO BE IN A RURAL AREA BASICALLY. 
          >> BUT OBVIOUSLY BEING THE CITY OF AUSTIN. PROBABLY DIFFICULT TO 
          BE BEYOND THAT. >> SO UNLESS YOU LIVE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OR YOU HAVE A LAKE HOUSE OUT IN, ON THE LAKE. 
          >> ONE THING TO REMEMBER ABOUT AUSTIN IS, THEY HAVE BEEN SUED TWICE AND THEY LOST TWICE, THIS IS THEIR BRAND-NEW ORDINANCE THAT'S JUST TAKEN EFFECT, WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN HOW IT'S TAKEN EFFECT. BECAUSE THEY'VE CONTINUOUSLY LOST. 
          >> CAN YOU GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE THAT YOU SHOWED WITH THE COLORS? 
          >> THE SAFETY ZONES? >> THE BEGINNING. IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH, THERE WE GO. 
          >> YES. >> OKAY, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THIS CHART AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S VERY SMALL. BUT, THE SR WHERE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE, PERMITTED WITH AN SU P, WITH THE SU P, THIS IS THE CURRENT, RIGHT? 
          >> THAT IS CURRENT, CORRECT. >> AND, CAN YOU QUICKLY TELL ME, SO, EACH OF THOSE COLORS REPRESENT DIFFERENT ZONES, SO IT'S SINGLE-FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY, STUFF LIKE THAT? 
          >> AS IT RELATES, WE HAD THAT MAP THAT HAD THE GREEN ON IT THAT SHOWED WHERE THE SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING IS. SO, THOSE AREAS IN YELLOW, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, ATTACHED, DUPLEX, THAT REPRESENTS SINGLE-FAMILY ZONES. 
          ESSENTIALLY IT'S SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, DETACHED, THEN WE GET 
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MULTIFAMILY, DOESN'T ALLOW IT. THEN YOU GET INTO THE OFFICE DISTRICT, THE PINK SHADE, AND THE LOCAL RETAIL, THOSE ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, HOWEVER IT DOES NOT ALLOW THE BED-AND-BREAKFAST. 
          >> ARE THERE EXAMPLES IN THE CHARTS THAT YOU SHOWED WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY DELINEATING BETWEEN THE TYPE OF UNIT, DUPLEX, ARE THERE, ARE THEY SAYING THAT, I MAKING THIS UP, BUT ALL DUPLEXES IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, OR DUPLEXES WITHIN THAT 1000 FEET, ARE THEY DESIGNATING ANY OF THOSE THINGS TO BE ABLE TO SAY, THEY'RE NOT. IT'S NOT RELEVANT NECESSARILY IN THIS EXAMPLE, DELINEATING BETWEEN THE TYPE OF RESIDENT. IN THIS 
          PARTICULAR CASE. >> THIS IS TELLING YOU WHAT YOU 
          HAVE. >> THE THINKING HERE WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WAS USING THIS TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE IF THEY WERE GOING TO GRANT EITHER AN STR OR BMB OR SPECIAL USE PERMIT BASED ON UNIT ITSELF. 
          >> THEY DO HAVE ZONING DISTRICTS. THEY FOCUS ON THE USE IT SELF, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED. DUPLEX. SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE, THEY HAVE A CHART THAT SHOWS, THESE ARE THE ZONING DISTRICTS, IN ADDITION TO STATING IS A SINGLE FAMILY, WHETHER OR NOT, 
          WHAT DISTANCE IT NEEDS TO BE. >> I WOULD THINK THAT BECAUSE I'M UNAWARE IN CARROLLTON OF ANY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THAT MIXED-USE SINGLE-FAMILY, IF IT'S A DUPLEX, ATTACHED, MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE FAIRLY UNIFIED WHEN IT COMES TO SECTIONING. WOULD THAT BE A SAFE ASSUMPTION IN CARROLLTON? WOULD 
          YOU KNOW? >> WE JUST DIVIDE IT BY THE 
          ZONING. OURS IS SEPARATED. >> OKAY. 
          >> IF YOU STAY ON THAT SLIDE, THE COLOR CHART. CAN YOU, 
          >> THE ZONING ONE. >> THAT ONE. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT URBAN GENERAL IS MADE UP OF? 
          >> URBAN GENERAL IS PART OF OUR DOWNTOWN TRANSIT CENTER, THINK OF OUR DOWNTOWN, THE AREA BASICALLY SOUTH FROM DOWN TO CROSBY. THAT'S REALLY OUR URBAN GENERAL. THAT'S IN THAT AREA. 
          >> OKAY. ANYBODY WHO HAS PROPERTY THERE, AND ALSO 
          INCLUDING THE HISTORIC SQUARE, >> THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY 
          RIGHT. >> TO OPEN UP. 
          >> TO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. >> SUBJECT TO OTHER, I MEAN, TO THEIR OWN RESTRICTIONS, LIKE LEASES AND OTHER THINGS. AND SUBJECT TO A NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, LIKE, WE DON'T, OUR DOWNTOWN SQUARE, RIGHT? WE EXPLORED HAVING A MINIMUM NUMBER OF RENTAL UNITS ON AN UPSTAIRS BUILDING. 
          >> THE HISTORIC SQUARE AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IT, WE LIMIT HOW MANY UNITS YOU CAN HAVE. WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE URBAN GENERAL ANY OTHER AREA FOR THAT MATTER THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          >> IF IT'S AN APARTMENT YOU'RE SIGNING A LEASE, THAT LEASE WOULD, THAT'S THE POINT. THE LEASE TYPICALLY IS GOING TO PRECLUDE A REZONING. SO, WE MAY ALLOW IT BUT THE LEASE DOESN'T. 
          >> THE LEASE SAYS YOU CAN'T DO IT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE 
          TO DO IT NO MATTER WHAT. >> OKAY. IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, WE ARE GOING TO, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL US INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO WE CAN . WITH THAT, COUNCIL, , COUNCIL WILL CONVENE IN EXECUTIVES SECTION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE FOR PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO THE PENDING LITIGATION AND INCLUDING ALL MATTERS ON THIS AGENDA TO WHICH THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS A DUTY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT REGARDING CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. SECTION 551.074 WE WILL GET INTO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, SECTION 551
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