Oct 28, 2025 City Council

WE WILL GET READY TO START HERE AND GO RIGHT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

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[***PRE-MEETING / EXECUTIVE SESSION***]

SO IT'LL BE A WHILE. COUNCIL WILL CONVENE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074, FOR PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO PENDING AND CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION, AND INCLUDING ALL MATTERS ON THE AGENDA TO WHICH THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS A DUTY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY.

UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT REGARDING CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION.

CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. SECTION 551.074 TO DISCUSS PERSONNEL MATTERS, BOARDS AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS. CLICK THE BUTTON TO I DID OKAY.

GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. OKAY. COUNCIL. COUNCIL WILL RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION TO CONSIDER ACTION,

[***WORKSESSION***]

ALL ACTIONS WILL BE WILL BE APPROVED AS PART OF OUR NORMAL CONSENT AGENDA.

ITEMS FROM THE DAIS WHICH WE'LL COVER MOMENTARILY.

SO THE THE ITEMS NUMBER 13 THROUGH 22 WILL BE AS AMENDED OR AS STIPULATED BASED ON OUR, OUR WORK SESSION AND EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO QUICKLY THROUGH OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.

NUMBER EIGHT IS AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH DE FORCE THROUGH A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENT WITH COLAS GROUP IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 490,604 FOR THE FIRST YEAR, AND A TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED 1,000,109 886 FOR THREE YEARS.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES. IS THIS IS THIS A PROGRAM WHERE IT ALREADY HAVE IN A DIFFERENT MODEL, OR IS THIS A NEW PROGRAM? THE WORKFORCE SERVICES DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS HR, THEY ALREADY HAVE DE FORCE, BUT THESE ARE MODULES THEY DIDN'T ADD BECAUSE CURRENTLY PAYROLL AND TIME AND ATTENDANCE LIVE IN THE FINANCE ERP SYSTEM.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY JUST MOVING THEM FROM THE ERP SYSTEM INTO THE EXISTING HRIS SOLUTION THAT WORKFORCE SERVICES.

SO NO STAFFING CHANGES. THERE WILL BE ONE PERSON WHO MOVES FROM FINANCE INTO WORKFORCE SERVICES.

BUT THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. YEP. YOU'RE WELCOME.

DE FORCE IS A IS A GREAT APPLICATION. I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.

NUMBER NINE, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH HDL COMPANIES PURSUANT TO RFP 25055 FOR SALES TAX, COMPLIANCE REVIEW AND RECOVERY SERVICES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED AROUND 10,000 ANNUALLY, FOR A SEVEN YEAR TOTAL OF 770,000. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. SO THEY'RE PAID ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS WITH A NOT TO EXCEED, BUT NOT A CONTRACTED LUMP SUM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A PERCENTAGE IS WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I READ IN THE THE ONLY THING THAT IS GUARANTEED IS WE USE THEIR DATA.

AND SO THAT'S $4,800. AND THEN OTHER THAN THAT IF THEY DON'T RECOVER ANYTHING THEY DON'T GET PAID EVERYTHING.

OKAY. SO THEY GET SO WHAT WE'RE AUTHORIZING IS THEY'RE MOTIVATED TO WORK.

THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER TEN, UNLESS THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTION.

OKAY. NUMBER TEN, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE KOJI HOUSE, LLC FOR RENOVATIONS OF 344 OLD DENTON ROAD, SUITE 310, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 159,932.

THIS WILL BE A NICE RESTAURANT AT OUR CORNER OF FRANKFORT AND OLD DENTON.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? OKAY. NUMBER 11, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT WITH HADRIAN PROPERTIES, LLC FOR THE RENOVATION OF 1028 SOUTH ELM STREET, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $99,640. MY ONLY QUESTION IS FOR STAFF IS WHETHER WE'VE RESOLVED ALL THE FENCE PLATTING ISSUES AND SO FORTH, OR AS FAR AS THE CITY'S CONCERNED, THAT THEY'VE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

THEY'VE THEY'VE PROVIDED EGRESS OUTSIDE OF THE DOOR FROM THE AMERICAN LEGION.

SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS THE TACK SHOP DOWN IN DOWNTOWN.

ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 12, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT WITH KEVIN S JAMESON AND KAREN L STEPHENS FOR THE RENOVATION OF 1105 SOUTH BROADWAY STREET, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 17,540 $0.09.

THIS IS THE URBAN MARKET, RIGHT? THERE USED TO BE VINTAGE CLOTHING.

WE'LL BE EXCITING TO HAVE THIS ONE DONE. OKAY.

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SO WHEN WE MAKE THE MOTION, I'M NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE, BUT THOSE APPOINTMENTS ARE THE BLANKS ARE ALL FILLED IN RELATIVE TO THE TO THE TO THE RESOLUTIONS THAT I'LL BE SIGNING AFTERWARDS BASED ON YOUR APPROVAL. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE BACK TO INFORMATION SHARING.

WE'LL WE'LL JUST GO AROUND THE TABLE HERE. I'LL START WITH MY MAYOR PRO TEM, CHRISTOPHER AXBERG.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. YEAH. THE THE DART OPENING IN ADDISON STATION WAS WAS PRETTY MAYOR.

I THOUGHT YOU DID AN AMAZING JOB PRESENTING THE THE CITY.

REALLY EXCITING TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO THE OTHER BOTH MEMBER CITIES, AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH OF THE CITIES.

I THOUGHT IT WENT VERY, VERY WELL. I THOUGHT YOU DID AN AMAZING JOB. EXCUSE ME.

ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE PHILIPPINE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WATERS.

AGAIN, IT WAS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO SEE EVERYONE IF EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THEY HAD THEIR THEIR EVENT LAST YEAR HERE IN THE METROPLEX.

THIS YEAR IT'S IN AUSTIN. I THINK NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE IN HOUSTON.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER WATERS FOR THE INVITATION.

AND DEFINITELY LOOKING FORWARD TO SWITCHYARD COMING UP NEXT.

NEXT WEEKEND? NOT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SAYS THIS, BUT CERTAINLY MY FAVORITE EVENT, PUBLIC EVENT HERE IN CARROLLTON.

SO VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR.

SO SINCE OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE MAYOR'S FORUM LUNCHEON AT BROOKHAVEN.

SO I THINK THE CHANGE IN THEIR AGENDA, THE FORMAT WAS DONE REALLY WELL THIS TIME.

THE SEATING WAS MUCH BETTER. YES, IT WAS MUCH BETTER.

AND NOT HAVING. YOU HAVE TO SIT UP THERE THE ENTIRE TIME TO LISTEN TO EVERYBODY ELSE'S ANSWERS.

I THINK IT WAS VERY WELL. THE FORMAT CHANGE WAS GREAT AND VERY INFORMATIVE, AND I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF REPRESENTING WHAT CARROLLTON IS DOING ON THE BROADER LEVEL AND LETTING EVERYBODY ELSE KNOW HOW GREAT WE ARE.

AND THEN ON FRIDAY THE 17TH, I WAS ABLE TO CELEBRATE WITH OUR CARROLLTON FOUR MINUTE COMMUNITY CELEBRATION. AND WE GOT TO HEAR ABOUT THE ACTUAL LIFE SAVING EVENT THAT OUR CARE TEAM MEMBERS WERE ABLE TO HELP WITH, AND I'VE BEEN SAYING IT SINCE THEN. IF IT'S IF IT'S ONE LIFE WE SAVE, IT'S ALL WELL WORTH THE EFFORT AND TIME AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING INTO THIS PROGRAM. SO. HEAR, HEAR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING A CARE TEAM MEMBER.

THANK YOU. AND THEN LAST WEEK WE WENT TO THE DIWALI CELEBRATION AT BAPS DALLAS, WHICH WAS ALSO A LOT OF LIGHTS, A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF TASTES AND A LOT OF FOOD.

IT WAS GREAT. SO MANY COLORS. SO IT'S IT'S SUCH A VIBRANT EVENT TO ATTEND.

AND IF ANYBODY HASN'T GONE, I TOTALLY RECOMMEND IT.

IT'S A IT'S A WONDERFUL CELEBRATION. THIS YEAR'S THEME WAS INTO THE LIGHT.

AND SO IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY NEAT EVENT TO BE A PART OF.

GREAT JOB WITH THE KIDS TOO. OH YEAH. EXCELLENT JOB.

I WAS LIKE, ARE THEY READING OFF OF PROMPTER OR ANYTHING? THEY MEMORIZED ALL OF THESE LINES. IT WAS GREAT.

THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS APPRECIATION DINNER WAS ALSO LAST WEEK.

AND SO THAT WAS REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE THE OUR MEMBERS OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT DEDICATE THEIR TIME TO HELP WITH OUR CITY AFFAIRS. SO THAT WAS WONDERFUL.

AND THEN THIS WEEKEND KICKED IT ALL OFF WITH THE OUR CAPPED IT ALL OFF WITH THE DART CELEBRATION.

SO I WAS ABLE TO TAKE THAT FIRST RIDE ON THE TRAIN, AND IT WAS SMOOTH THE ENTIRE WAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO GO THAT SLOW EVERY TIME, BUT AS I MENTIONED IN OUR TOD MEETING LAST NIGHT YOU CAN SEE DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON IS A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE AS YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH ON OR AS YOU'RE RIDING THROUGH ON THE SILVER LINE.

AND JUST A PART OF CARROLLTON YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET TO SEE.

SO IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE SILVER LINE YET, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT, TOO.

THEN COFFEE WITH A COP WAS SATURDAY, AND THAT WAS ALSO REALLY GREAT AT CHICK FIL A, ONE OF OUR GREAT PARTNERS.

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AND TODD COMMITTEE YESTERDAY, WHICH WAS REALLY GREAT.

I LOVE TO SEE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE ART PUZZLE COMING INTO OUR DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON SPACES.

AND IT'S EXCITING TIMES. AND THANK YOU TO OUR COMMITTEE.

THAT'S KIND OF AN ADDITION TO THE TODD MEMBERS.

YES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR.. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

JASON. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'LL JUST ADD ONE THING.

MANY OF THOSE I ALSO ATTENDED, BUT WE HAD OUR MEDIA FEST WAS HERE IN CARROLLTON, AND THAT WAS A GREAT EVENT.

IT ALWAYS IS A GREAT EVENT, AND I ENJOY I THOROUGHLY ENJOY GOING TO THERE AND AND I JUST I MARVEL AT THAT.

THAT BUILDING I DABBLED IN ARCHITECTURE IN COLLEGE FOR A YEAR AND DECIDED I WASN'T GOING TO BE ONE.

IT'S A GOOD THING, BUT BUT I LOVE ARCHITECTURE, AND THAT'S JUST SUCH AN AMAZING BUILDING.

WHAT A GREAT ASSET CARROLLTON HAS IN THAT BUILDING OUT THERE.

AND THAT AWARD WINNING. ABSOLUTELY AWARD WINNING.

I LOVE IT. SO IT WAS A GREAT TIME. THANK YOU.

IT'S A REPLICA, I THINK, OF OF ONE OF THE ORIGINAL CHAPELS IN ARMENIA.

COUNCIL MEMBER WATTERS. YEAH. THANK YOU. OCTOBER IS VERY BUSY.

WE HAD THE MEETING WITH MAKE IT COUNT.

FOR THE CHILDREN OF CARROLLTON AND FARMERS BRANCH AND SURROUNDING CITIES.

BECAUSE I HAD THE CHOICE AND I WANTED TO HEAR THE MAYOR SPEAK, AND IT WAS CERTAINLY WELL RECEIVED.

AN INSURANCE FOLKS. AND IT WAS DONE HERE IN.

THERE WAS THE ARMENIAN FESTIVAL AND. AND THE WAY THEY'RE VERY, VERY PROUD OF WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT WHO THEY ARE.

I SPOKE WITH THE MAYOR OF YES. AND ANYWAY, PLEASE. MY. THE VIETNAMESE COMMUNITY IN PARTICULAR. PORTSMOUTH.

AND I REALLY ENJOYED THAT MEETING. THERE'S A LOT THAT'S THAT'S.

COUNCIL MEMBER NANCY ASKED TO. MED STUDENTS, YOUNG LADIES. AND I LOVE THE ENERGY OF YOUNG. PIPELINE FOR LEADERSHIP IN THE HINDU COMMUNITY. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THAT.

IT WAS IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD TIME TO BE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

WE HAD OF COURSE, THE GALA FOR AUSTIN.

FOR THE WEEKEND WERE IN STATE MEETING FOR THE PHILIPPINE CHAMBER.

MET OVER AFTER THE. ASIAN CHAMBER OF AUSTIN AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL ICE. FOR THE ASIAN COMMUNITY, BUT FOR ALL SMALL BUSINESSES, THEY. THINK IT'S SOME INFORMATION THAT WE COULD SHARE WITH OUR SMALL BUSINESSES. LIKE. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

AWESOME. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. I LOOK

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TO KNOW THAT I TOOK OUT MY MASTER'S DEGREE AND.

I ATTENDED LAST FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. THE DARTS.

FOLKS OUT THERE. AND SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO SEE.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DO THAT ONE OF THESE DAYS.

GRACE, MIKE JUST GOT AN AWARD WITH NORTH TEXAS.

THE RECIPIENT FOR HIS OUTSTANDING WORK IN URBAN PLANNING.

JAPAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AS WELL AS THE. THE FIRST RESPONDERS BREAKFAST OVER AT THE MCDONALD'S.

AND CHAT WITH THOSE GUYS FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES.

THEN I ATTENDED THE RIBBON CUTTING LATER THIS AFTERNOON AT KING K'S BAR.

I CAN'T THINK OF THE I THINK IT'S MIDWAY AND TRINITY MILLS, I BELIEVE.

IF YOU GUYS GET A CHANCE, GO OUT AND TAKE AND.

COUNCIL MEMBERS SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER I WAS THE FIRST.

BACK THEN I HAD TO. I HAD TO SUE THE DISTRICT.

15FT. I CHALLENGED THE ACTION IN COURT.

THE YEARS I'VE CONTINUED TO ADVOCATE FOR FAIRNESS, TRANSPARENCY.

AGAINST CARROLLTON-FARMERS BRANCH INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE'RE GOING. TO SPEAK AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. THIS ACTION IS NOT.

ABOUT THE. RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE.

I'M SHARING THIS WITH YOU. TO BE. TO ENSURE THAT OUR INSTITUTIONS TREAT PEOPLE FAIRLY. THE. SAME STANDARDS, TRANSPARENCY AND FAIRNESS TO MY WORK. IN THE CITY OR ELSEWHERE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. TODAY IS NEXT TUESDAY, WHICH I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE NOVEMBER.

PHILIP IN THE BUBBLE. YEAH, IT WAS A LOT OF WORK, BUT STATION CONCEPT THAT WILL PROBABLY BE USED.

INTO THE DIWALI CELEBRATION OF LIGHTS, WHICH I'VE BEEN BEFORE.

I ATTENDED CPAC. WRAP UP FOR THE TERM OF THE.

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LEWISVILLE.

THINGS AND THEN I. MEAN, WHICH MY SON HOPEFULLY UNDERSTANDS IS A HUGE SACRIFICE ON MY PART. BUT YESTERDAY I ARRIVED AT SIX.

SO THAT IS A HUGE REGION WIDE EFFORT AND OUR STAFF HAS BEEN VERY.

HELPFUL. AND THEY WERE WRAPPING UP AT MCINNIS AT LIKE 345.

THE FIRST RESPONDERS THEY JUST THE THEY.

CLIMB THE ROPE UP TO THE TOP. AND THEN. I AM GOING TO MAKE IT. I MEAN, IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE.

AMMUNITION. THEY FOUND BOMBS. THEY I MEAN, THEY.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE EXPERTISE IN FOOTBALL, AS THEY CALL IT.

AND I JUST SERVE AS A. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. WELL, I APPRECIATE.

BEING INVOLVED IN THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR PALACIOS.

THANK YOU MA'AM. A FEW OF YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I ALSO WAS INVOLVED IN A SECOND. MAJOR IRON IN THE FIRE THAT I COMPLETE.

AND SO I. GUESS THE SECOND THING IS THAT I THINK EVENTS LIKE THE. FOR THE COMMUNITY. I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE SPECIFICALLY ALSO. IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THE MORE COMFORTABLE THEY ARE.

BUT I THINK THE BETTER SOCIETY. DID NOT MISS OUT ON THAT SATURDAY.

AND Y'ALL, IF YOU WERE THERE I MEAN. I MEAN TRYING TO GET IN.

WE WE HAD TO WAIT A WHILE UNTIL WE HAD A PLACE TO.

GO. THEY WERE EXCITED GETTING ON AND I THINK THEY WERE WAITING FOR SOME TYPE OF LIKE.

THEY'LL GET IT IN THE FUTURE. BUT THEY WERE VERY MUCH EXCITED.

AND WE'RE. WE WHICH IS REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL. WE ALSO WORK. AROUND THE 17TH 17TH.

SO WE'LL BE BRINGING SOME OF THOSE EARLY. BETWEEN IN CARROLLTON, RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF ADDISON. AND AND SO FORTH.

150,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY. OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM, FOR ALL YOU DO IN TERMS OF CONTINUING TO HAVE.

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RECORD. THEY'RE GOING TO GO FOR A WORLD RECORD 40 STRAIGHT HOURS OF PICKLEBALL.

AND AND SHOW UP. THEY THEY HAVE A WONDERFUL NOT NOT A CHICKEN AND PICKLE. BUT.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SHORTAGES IN TERMS OF PICKLEBALL.

AFTER THE COUNCIL MEETING WITH THAT AND 20 AFTER I KNOW IT'S A SHORT FUZE, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY.

WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON OUR WORK SESSION. ITEMS THAT WOULD.

COUNCIL. AS WE ALWAYS DO, WE WILL START WITH OUR INVOCATION.

[INVOCATION - Councilmember Jason Carpenter]

PLEASE RISE. PLEASE JOIN ME IN PRAYER. FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR THE CHANCE TO COME TOGETHER AND TO LEGISLATE AS A BODY.

I JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT WELL THIS EVENING, THAT WE HAVE GREAT CONVERSATIONS THAT HONOR YOU AND HONOR OUR CITIZENS.

I PRAY THAT, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD JUST ALLOW US TO MAKE GREAT DECISIONS.

WE PRAY THIS ALL IN CHRIST'S NAME. AMEN. AMEN.

PLEASE JOIN ME IN OUR PLEDGES. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE.

TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL. APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE TONIGHT.

THIS IS WE WILL START WITH OUR PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.

[CITIZEN COMMENT]

THAT WOULD BE ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT THROUGH 22. TO DO SO BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, BUT IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT THROUGH 22, YOU MAY DO SO BY APPROACHING THE PODIUM NOW. I DO HAVE SEVERAL CARDS TO SPEAK DURING OUR PUBLIC FORUM, WHICH WILL BE FOLLOWING THE NORMAL COURSE OF THE BUSINESS.

IF YOU HAVE ANY. I IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK, YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW.

OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD. AND WITH THAT COUNCIL I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT THROUGH 12.

[CONSENT AGENDA ]

WITH THAT I DO HAVE A MOVEMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER PALOMA.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT THROUGH 12.

12. OKAY. AND COUNCIL MEMBER. KLEIN. I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. COUNCIL. I HAVE A MOTION BY OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM PALERMO, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER KLEIN TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT THROUGH 12. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE, I WILL CALL THE VOTE.

AND THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL. THAT TAKES US TO OUR ITEMS NUMBER 13 THROUGH 22.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE INDIVIDUALLY. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND NAMING

[*13. Consider A Resolution Appointing Members To Serve On The Capital Improvements Plan Advisory Committee And Naming A Chair.]

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AND MY QUESTION IS, IS IS IT IS THAT NOT NECESSARY? I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS NEED TO BE POSTED SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THE PUBLIC TIME TO, FOR OUR FULL THREE DAY NOTICE, AND SO, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE VISITORS COME UP HERE AND DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE DELIBERATING.

YOUR QUESTION. YOU HAVE A POSTING QUESTION? YEAH.

POSTING QUESTION. I'LL. I'LL DEFER TO MY CITY ATTORNEY.

SURE. SO OPEN MEETINGS ACT REQUIRE THE OPEN MEETING ACT REQUIRES PUBLIC NOTICE SO THAT ANY PERSON WHO'S INTERESTED IN THE WHO ARE THE MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS COMMITTEE CAN COME AND DISCUSS THAT.

AND HAVING THE NAMES OF ALL THE MEMBERS IN THE POSTING IS NOT REQUIRED.

NOT REQUIRED? NOT IN THE AGENDA ITEM? NO, SIR.

OKAY. AND THIS IS THIS IS A NOMINATION BASED ON WHAT I'M. I'M SORRY, THIS IS THE NOMINATION BASED ON WHAT? THESE ARE NOT NOMINATIONS. WE RECEIVED APPLICATIONS FROM ABOUT 70 DIFFERENT APPLICANTS FOR POSITIONS ACROSS EACH OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

AND AS A COUNCIL, AS YOU RECALL, WE WE DISCUSSED ALL APPLICATIONS.

MOST COUNCIL MEMBERS DO A GOOD JOB OF READING THEM.

SURE. AND ALL COMMITTEES, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE VACANCIES THE APPLICANTS WERE VETTED AND NOMINATED OR EFFECTIVELY CONSENSUS FOR A SLATE OF CANDIDATES FOR EACH ONE OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

BUT REGARDING NUMBER 13 AS, AS DISCUSSED AS DISCUSSED WHEN, AS DISCUSSED IN OUR LAST TWO MEETINGS DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION. THESE ARE BOARDS AND COMMISSION PERSONNEL APPOINTMENTS, SO WE DISCUSS THESE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. YES.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. I DON'T ACTUALLY ITEMS 13 TO 22.

I WILL NOT BE MAKING A VOTE ON ON THESE BECAUSE OF I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC.

I THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE SURE THAT WE POST THESE INDIVIDUALS AND AND THAT WE DISCUSS THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE'RE SELECTING ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSION, THEY SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC'S PURVIEW.

AND I THINK THE WAY THAT WE HANDLED THIS WHOLE PROCESS, GUYS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE WE TRY TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE PUBLIC'S PURVIEW.

AND THAT'S NOT RIGHT. YOU KNOW, OPEN TRANSPARENCY.

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ABOUT. THIS IS WHAT THE CITY OF CARROLLTON IS ABOUT.

AND THIS WHOLE PROCESS TO ME, GUYS, WAS NOT TRANSPARENT AT ALL.

AT ALL. AND SO I HEARD THE DISCUSSION TALKING ABOUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL ISSUES, I BELIEVE THAT THAT WHEN IT WHEN IT STATES REGARDING PERSONNEL ISSUES, REGARDING PERSONNEL OF THE CITY AND THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE NOT PERSONNEL OF THE CITY. BUT AS, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU OPINE ON THAT? SO UNDER THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE COUNCIL CAN DISCUSS NOT ONLY THEIR APPOINTED PUBLIC OFFICIALS, THEY CAN APPOINT EMPLOYEE OR APPOINTED PERSONNEL.

OKAY. THEY APPOINTED PUBLIC OFFICIALS. ARE PEOPLE LIKE AS STATED IN THE CHARTER, THAT THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE IN A PUBLIC OFFICE. THEY SHALL HOLD NO OTHER PUBLIC OFFICE BUT THIS POSITION.

APPOINTED PUBLIC OFFICIALS ARE ALSO PEOPLE LIKE THE CITY MANAGER OR MYSELF OR THE JUDGE.

THOSE ARE APPOINTED PUBLIC OFFICIALS BY THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY. AND YOU HAVE AUTHORITY UNDER THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION ON THAT TOPIC.

AND SO AND SO BOARDS AND COMMISSION ARE NOT ARE NOT PUBLIC OFFICIALS.

THEY ARE PUBLIC OFFICIALS. THEY ARE PUBLIC PUBLIC OFFICIALS. YES, SIR. OKAY.

UNDER YOUR CHARTER. UNDER OUR CHARTER. YES, SIR.

WHAT DOES STATE LAW SAY ABOUT THAT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I MEAN, WHAT HAS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL? HAS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MADE AN OPINION ON THAT PARTICULAR? I HAVEN'T LOOKED THAT UP TODAY BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE THIS WAS AN ISSUE. BUT IN MY RESEARCH IN THE PAST, I HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL UPHOLDS THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, WHICH SAYS YOU CAN BE A PUBLIC OFFICIAL AND A BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBER CAN BE A PUBLIC OFFICIAL. OKAY. MR. MAYOR, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE.

I JUST KIND OF WANT TO JUST DISCUSS THIS IN OPEN MEETINGS.

I JUST THINK THE WHOLE PROCESS, WE COULD HAVE DONE IT BETTER AND OPENLY.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT ONE OF THESE CANDIDATES THAT THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOMINATING TONIGHT TRYING TO NOMINATE TONIGHT,

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BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS WHY WOULD THIS PARTICULAR PERSON BE SO BOLD? AND WHY WOULD THIS COUNCIL AFTER. YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THIS COUNCIL IS AWARE OF HER BACKGROUND.

WHY WOULD THEY, YOU KNOW, EVEN APPOINT THIS PERSON TO A BOARD AND OR COMMISSION BASED ON THE BACKGROUND.

AND SO BUT I GOT A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHY AND AN IDEA THE, THE IDEA IS BECAUSE SHE'S THE.

SHE'S THE BEST FRIEND OF THE MAYOR'S WIFE. THAT'S THE SOLE REASON WHY.

AND SO I'LL LET THAT BE. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME.

I JUST THINK THIS WHOLE PROCESS, THERE WAS NO TRANSPARENCY.

WE MUST DO BETTER. WE KNOW BETTER. WHEN WE KNOW BETTER, WE MUST DO BETTER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, I WILL REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT THAT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN FOLLOWED FOR I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL SINCE 2014, AND THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN FOLLOWED SINCE AT LEAST 2017, IN CLOSED SESSION. EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND THE OBJECTIVE IS, IS TO ENSURE THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION.

PROS AND CONS ABOUT EVERY APPLICANT WITHOUT DEFAMING A POTENTIAL APPLICANT FROM THE DAIS OR FROM OPEN STREAMING MEDIA. SO WITH THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ADD.

COUNCIL MEMBER AXBERG. THANK YOU MAYOR. THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH MY QUESTION.

I WAS ASKING IF THERE WAS ANY VARIANCE BETWEEN THE PROCESS IN WHICH WE WENT THROUGH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

I MEAN, IN MY SECOND TERM, I JUST FROM MY RECOLLECTION, I BELIEVE THAT WE FOLLOWED THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

IS THAT CORRECT? I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS ONCE WE DO PASS EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY, THEN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WILL ARE STATED PUBLICLY THAT WHICH MEMBERS WE HAVE APPOINTED TO THE BOARD.

AS A RESULT OF THIS EVENING'S VOTES ON EACH OF THE ITEMS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER FLEMING.

YES, SIR. MR. MAYOR. I THINK IN MORE DETAIL, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS I WAS TRYING TO FLESH OUT WAS WITH SOME EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS THAT WE COULD PRODUCE THIS, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY STATED THAT, YOU KNOW, TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL, BUT YET I WAS LOOKING FOR A TEXAS ATTORNEY, TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION THAT STATED SUCH.

AND SO ONCE I PROVIDED SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'M GOOD TO GO.

COUNCIL MEMBER DID YOU SEND THIS REQUEST IN PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WHAT'S THAT SIR? DID YOU SEND YOUR REQUEST IN FOR LEGAL BACKGROUND PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, OR DID YOU JUST WAIT TILL THE MEETING TO BRING THIS UP? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT OUR MEETINGS FOR. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. AND, MR. MAYOR, THAT'S BECAUSE I WAS LEFT OUT OF THE WHOLE PROCESS.

NO, SIR. NO, SIR. LET'S BE CLEAR. FOR EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE.

YOU SAT IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS TWO WEEKS AGO, AND YOU SAT IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS THIS WEEK.

AND IN FACT, I BELIEVE YOU'VE ATTENDED THE MEETINGS WITHOUT WITHOUT MISSING A MEETING FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS AT LEAST.

ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WERE LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS.

WELL, WE WILL MOVE ON. YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER. COUNCIL.

WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM PALERMO.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 13.

COUNCIL MAYOR PRO TEM, OXFORD. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

I'D LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION, PLEASE. OKAY. COUNCIL, I HAVE A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM PALERMO AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM OXFORD TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 13 REGARDING OUR CPAC. NOMINATIONS AND OR APPOINTMENTS.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE, I WILL CALL THE VOTE.

THE MOTION PASSES WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING IN OPPOSITION.

ITEM NUMBER 14. SORRY. DISREGARD. IT SAYS ABSTAIN.

COUNCIL. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR DISCUSSION ON, ITEM NUMBER 14, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION RATIFYING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE CIVIL SERVICE

[*14. Consider A Resolution Ratifying Members To Serve On The Civil Service Commission And Naming A Chair.]

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAYOR PRO TEM, OXFORD.

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AND COUNCIL MEMBER KLEIN. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

OKAY. COUNCIL. I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KLEIN TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 14 REGARDING RATIFYING OUR CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION APPOINTEES. ANY DISCUSSION, AS AMENDED. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

SEEING NONE, I WILL CALL THE VOTE. AND THE MOTION PASSES WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING ABSTAINING.

ITEM NUMBER 15. CONSIDER RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO OUR LIBRARY BOARD.

[*15. Consider A Resolution Appointing Members To Serve On The Library Board And Naming A Chair.]

COUNCIL MEMBER KLEIN. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, AS AMENDED.

AND MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION.

OKAY. COUNCIL, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER KLEIN AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 15, APPOINTING MEMBERS TO OUR LIBRARY BOARD, AS AMENDED.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE, I WILL CALL THE VOTE.

AND THE MOTION PASSES WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING IN ABSTENTION.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 16. CONSIDER RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE MUSEUM AND HISTORIC ADVISORY COMMISSION COMMITTEE.

[*16. Consider A Resolution Appointing Members To Serve On The Museum And Historic Advisory Committee And Naming A Chair.]

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 16, AS AMENDED.

AND COUNCIL MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER KLEIN AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 16.

REGARDING OUR MUSEUM AND MUSEUM AND HISTORIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND NAMING A CHAIR, AS AMENDED.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I WILL CALL THE VOTE.

AND THE MOTION PASSES WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING AND ABSTENTION.

ITEM NUMBER 17. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADVISORY COMMISSION AND NAMING A CHAIR.

[*17. Consider A Resolution Appointing Members To Serve On The Neighborhood Advisory Commission And Naming Chair.]

RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADVISORY COMMISSION AND NAMING A CHAIR, AS AMENDED. AND COUNCIL MEMBER WALTERS. THANK YOU SIR.

I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION. COUNCIL. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER KLINE, A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER WATERS.

APPROVING ITEM NUMBER 17 REGARDING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ADVISORY COMMISSION APPOINTEES AND CHAIR, AS AMENDED. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? COUNCILMEMBER KLINE? OH, NONE. OKAY. I WILL SAY NO DISCUSSIONS. I WILL CALL THE VOTE.

AND THE MOTION PASSES WITH COUNCILMEMBER FLEMING AND ABSTENTION.

THAT TAKES ME TO ITEM NUMBER 18. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE PARKS BOARD AND NAMING A CHAIR,

[*18. Consider A Resolution Appointing Members To Serve On The Parks Board And Naming A Chair.]

MAYOR PRO TEM OXFORD. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT ITEM NUMBER 18.

AS AMENDED. AS AMENDED. FORGIVE ME. AND COUNCIL MEMBER KLINE, I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION.

OKAY, COUNCIL, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR PRO TEM AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KLINE, APPROVING A RESOLUTION REGARDING OUR APPOINTMENT FOR THE PARKS BOARD AND NAMING A CHAIR, ANY, AS AMENDED. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL THE VOTE.

AND THE MOTION PASSES WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING AN ABSTENTION.

ITEM NUMBER 19. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE PROPERTY STANDARDS BOARD AND NAMING A CHAIR.

[*19. Consider A Resolution Appointing Members To Serve On The Property Standards Board And Naming A Chair.]

COUNCIL MEMBER KLINE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 19.

CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE PROPERTY STANDARDS BOARD AND NAMING AND CHAIR AS AMENDED.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR PALACIOS. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. I SECOND THE MOTION. COUNCIL. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER KLINE AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DOCTOR PALACIOS TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 18, A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS FOR THE PROPERTY STANDARDS BOARD AND NAMING A CHAIR, AS AMENDED.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL THE VOTE.

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ITEM NUMBER 20. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND NAMING A CHAIR,

[*20. Consider A Resolution Appointing Members To Serve On The Planning And Zoning Commission And Naming A Chair.]

COUNCIL MEMBER. PALACIOS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20, AS AMENDED.

OKAY. AND THAT TAKES ME TO COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR PRO TEM CHRISTOPHER.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION, PLEASE. OKAY. COUNCIL, I HAVE A MOTION BY DOCTOR PALACIOS, COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR PALACIOS, AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 20, T A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS FOR OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

AND NAMING A CHAIR. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL THE VOTE. AND THE MOTION PASSES WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING IN ABSTENTION.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER 21. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE TRAFFIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND NAMING A CHAIR,

[*21. Consider A Resolution Appointing Members To Serve On The Traffic Advisory Committee And Naming A Chair.]

COUNCIL MEMBER. DOCTOR PALACIOS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 21, AS AMENDED.

ALL RIGHT. AND COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM AXBERG.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION, PLEASE. OKAY. COUNCIL, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR PALACIOS AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM AXBERG TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 21, A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO OUR TRAFFIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND NAMING A CHAIR, AS AMENDED. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL THE VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING IN ABSTENTION. THE MOTION PASSES.

OTHERWISE ITEM NUMBER 22. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE BOARD AND NAMING A CHAIR

[*22. Consider A Resolution Appointing Members To Serve On The Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone No. 1 Board And Naming A Chair.]

I MOVE TO ADOPT ITEM 22 AS AMENDED. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER KLINE, I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. COUNCIL, I HAVE A MOTION TO BY MAYOR PRO TEM AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KLINE TO APPROVE.

ITEM NUMBER 22, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPOINTING MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE BOARD AND NAMING A CHAIR, AS AMENDED. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. COUNCILMEMBER.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY WITH THE LAST ITEM HERE REGARDING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO BE ABLE TO THANK ALL OF THE APPLICANTS APPLICANTS THAT SUBMITTED FOR BOARDS, COMMISSIONS.

IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT OUR CITIZENS WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN OUR CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE A GREAT WAY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

WE SAW SEVERAL APPLICANTS THAT HAVE APPLIED OVER THE YEARS THAT HAVE HAVEN'T BEEN ACCEPTED TO BOARD.

WE'LL HAVE NEW PEOPLE THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AFTER SEVERAL APPLICATIONS.

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR BOARD.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS COUNCIL FOR THE APPOINTMENTS THAT WE HAVE MADE.

AND WE'VE PASSED. AND THEN FINALLY, AFTER BEING ABLE TO REFLECT JUST A LITTLE BIT AND THROUGH THESE VOTING THROUGH THESE, THESE ITEMS. I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK OPENLY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING EACH OF THE APPLICANTS, WITHOUT DISPARAGING OR WITHOUT HURTING ANYONE'S PARTICULAR FEELINGS WHEN THEY'RE APPLYING FOR THESE BOARDS.

IF WE WERE DUE, IF WE WERE TO DO THIS IN OPEN SESSION, WHERE WE'RE EVALUATING EACH OF THESE APPLICANTS, I FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE LIKELY THAT IT WOULD DETER SOME PEOPLE FROM APPLYING FOR THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IF THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE LET'S SAY EVALUATED IN AN OPEN MEETING SESSION.

SO I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE OUR PROCESS. AND AGAIN, I THANK OUR, OUR COUNCIL AS WELL AS EVERYBODY THAT APPLIED FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THIS OF COURSE, AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. VERY GOOD COUNCIL. I HAVE NO OTHER REQUESTS TO SPEAK WITH THAT I WILL CALL THE VOTE.

AND THE MOTION PASSES WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING IN ABSTENTION.

I ECHO ALL THE COMMENTS FROM OUR MAYOR PRO TEM, OXFORD.

AGAIN, IT IS OUR VOLUNTEERS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND VARIOUS VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES THAT REALLY HELP THIS COMMUNITY TO BE THE COMMUNITY THAT FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES WANT TO CALL HOME. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE INTERESTED.

AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE WILLING TO SERVE THAT WE'VE APPOINTED TONIGHT.

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AND SO WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COUNCIL, WITH THAT, THAT TAKES US TO OUR PUBLIC FORUM.

[PUBLIC FORUM]

I WILL REMIND SPEAKERS THAT YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

AS I CALL YOUR NAME, I'LL ALSO REMIND YOU TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR.

AND THAT AND REMIND YOU TO READ THE REQUIREMENTS OR THE RULES, SO TO SPEAK, FOR PUBLIC FORUM.

SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY DIFFICULT DISCUSSIONS.

WITH THAT, MY FIRST SPEAKER IS SIRI ARAVALI. SIRI, IF YOU'D LIKE TO APPROACH THE PODIUM AND SPEAK, YOUR LAST NAME STARTS WITH A. AND AGAIN, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING, MISTER MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THIS PUBLIC FORUM.

MY NAME IS SIRI ARAVALI AND I AM HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT OF OAK CREEK TENNIS CENTER AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE PLAYERS, FAMILIES AND COMMUNITY WHO CALL IT HOME.

I'VE TRAINED AT OAK CREEK AND OAK CREEK ONLY FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS.

DURING THAT TIME, I'VE SEEN ATTENDANCE IN CLASSES DOUBLE OR EVEN TRIPLE, WITH MORE NEW PLAYERS JOINING EVERY SINGLE WEEK, AND MANY WHO WEREN'T EVEN THERE THE WEEK BEFORE.

THE VARIETY OF KIDS AND ADULTS WHO COME THROUGH THOSE DOORS IS AMAZING.

EVERY PRACTICE SESSION IS FULL OF ENERGY, GROWTH, AND ENCOURAGEMENT, ALWAYS GETTING US READY TO COMPETE AND REPRESENT OAK CREEK PROUDLY AT TOURNAMENTS. OAK CREEK IS WHERE I'VE GROWN, BOTH AS A PLAYER AND AS A PERSON.

THE LESSONS I'VE LEARNED GO FAR BEYOND TENNIS.

DISCIPLINE, SPORTSMANSHIP AND RESILIENCE. AND ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE FRIENDSHIPS WE'VE BUILT, WE JUNIOR PLAYERS HAVE LEARNED THAT WE NEVER LET UP AND WE NEVER GIVE UP NO MATTER WHAT.

THE REASON I'M SPEAKING TODAY IS BECAUSE OAK CREEK HAS SHAPED WHO I AM AND HAS DONE THE SAME FOR COUNTLESS OTHERS.

IT'S A PLACE WHERE THE QUALITY OF COACHING, THE COMMUNITY SPIRIT, AND THE ACCESSIBILITY HAVE MADE IT A SUCCESS STORY FOR THE CITY OF CARROLLTON.

ATTENDANCE AND PARTICIPATION ARE AT RECORD HIGHS.

PROGRAMS FOR BOTH ADULTS AND JUNIORS ARE THRIVING.

LEAGUE PLAY CONTINUES TO GROW, AND PLAYER SATISFACTION IS AMONG THE HIGHEST IT HAS EVER BEEN.

OAK CREEK'S REVENUE HAS TRIPLED SINCE 2009, SHOWING THAT IT'S NOT JUST SURVIVING, IT'S THRIVING AS A PUBLICLY MANAGED FACILITY THAT SERVES THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, IF MANAGEMENT IS TAKEN OVER BY IMPACT ACTIVITIES, THAT SUCCESS AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT COULD BE AT RISK. MANDATORY MEMBERSHIPS FOR COURT USE, HIGHER COURT RATES AND REDUCED ACCESS TO TO THOSE COURTS CAN MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR MANY FAMILIES TO CONTINUE PARTICIPATING. THESE FINANCIAL BARRIERS COULD CAUSE A DECLINE IN CLASS QUALITY, FEWER PROGRAM OPTIONS, AND EVEN THE LOSS OF RESPECTED COACHES WHO HAVE BEEN THE HEART OF OAK CREEK SUCCESS.

PROFIT DRIVEN MANAGEMENT OFTEN PRIORITIZES REVENUE OVER RELATIONSHIPS, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT OAK CREEK STANDS FOR.

IF THERE ARE FAMILIES, PARENTS AND EVEN PLAYERS HERE TONIGHT FROM OAK CREEK, THEY ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY'VE WITNESSED WHAT MAKES THIS PLACE SO SPECIAL.

THEY KNOW THE TRUTH BEHIND EVERYTHING. I'VE JUST SAID THAT OAK CREEK IS NOT JUST A TENNIS CENTER, BUT A COMMUNITY BUILT ON TRUST, CARE, AND OPPORTUNITY.

PLEASE DON'T LET THAT BE LOST FOR THE KIDS WHO'VE GROWN UP HERE, THE FAMILIES WHO FOUND A SECOND HOME, AND THE FUTURE PLAYERS WHO DESERVE THAT SAME CHANCE.

I ASK YOU THAT YOU PRESERVE OAK CREEK AS A THRIVING, PUBLICLY MANAGED TENNIS CENTER IT IS TODAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL DONE. THANK YOU. MY NEXT MY NEXT SPEAKER IS CLARE CARR. CLARE, COME ON DOWN AGAIN. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

CLARE, AND ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR, PLEASE.

THANKS. GOOD EVENING. AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING THE LETTING ME GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS CLARE AND I'M 12 YEARS OLD. I'VE BEEN PLAYING TENNIS AT OAK CREEK TENNIS CENTER SINCE I WAS SIX.

IT'S NOT JUST A PLACE I GO TO PLAY TENNIS. IT'S MY SECOND HOME.

WHEN I HEARD OAK CREEK WAS BEING TAKEN OVER BY ANOTHER COMPANY, WHICH WAS ABOUT A MONTH AGO,

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IT WAS NEWS THAT I NEVER THOUGHT WOULD COME TO ME AND THAT IT WOULD EVEN BE A POSSIBILITY.

OAK CREEK IS WHERE I'VE LEARNED WHAT TEAMWORK MEANS.

WHAT IT. WHAT NEVER STOPPED BELIEVING MEANS AND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE ENCOURAGED EVEN WHEN YOU WANT TO GIVE UP.

IT'S WHERE I MET SOME OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS, PEOPLE I SEE ALMOST EVERY DAY, AND WHERE THE COACHES SMILE AND GREET ME AS I WALK IN.

I MAY ONLY BE 12, BUT I'VE HEARD WHAT'S HAPPENED AT OTHER PLACES WHERE IMPACT ACTIVITIES RUN, PRICES GO UP, DEDICATED COACHES WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.

WHY CHANGE WHAT'S WORKING WHEN IT? WHY CHANGE WHAT'S WORKED? IF THAT HAPPENS HERE, OAK CREEK WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.

AND YES, THE DOUBT THAT I WON'T HAVE A COACH SOON HAS MADE ME DISTRESSED, DISTRACTED AND AFRAID OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT.

EVERY DAY. STEP ONTO A TENNIS COURT. THE REALIZATION SINKS INTO ME AND FOCUSING SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE.

SCHOOL HAS GOTTEN HARDER LATELY, ESPECIALLY TO STAY CONCENTRATED DURING CLASS.

NOT ONLY IN SCHOOL, ON THE TENNIS COURT, BUT ALMOST EVERYWHERE AND EVERY DAY, OAK CREEK IS ALL I CAN THINK ABOUT.

OAK CREEK IS NOT JUST A TENNIS CENTER. IT'S A LOVING COMMUNITY THAT MANY PEOPLE LIKE ME CALL HOME, WHERE EVERYONE IS WELCOME. IT'S WHERE FRIENDSHIP STARTS, WHERE CONFIDENCE GROWS, AND WHERE WE ALL SHARE THE LOVE OF THE GAME.

AND REALLY, YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON THAT. I'VE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS HITTING BALLS WITH MY COACH, SO MANY MORNINGS WARMING UP BEFORE A TOURNAMENT, AND INFINITE EVENINGS PLAYING PRACTICE MATCHES IN GROUP CLASS WITH FRIENDS.

THIS DECISION FOR ME, FEELS LIKE TAKING AWAY SO MANY PEOPLE'S PRECIOUS AND BELOVED MEMORIES THAT HAVE A MUCH LARGER VALUE TO FIT ON A PRICE TAG.

PLEASE PROTECT OAK CREEK FOR THE KIDS WHO DREAM ABOUT THEIR NEXT TOURNAMENT.

FOR THE PARENTS WHO CHEER FROM THE BENCHES AND FOR THE COACHES WHO HAVE DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO HELPING US GROW AND ACHIEVE OUR GOALS, OAK CREEK HAS TAUGHT ME SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST HOW TO HIT THE BALL.

IT HAS TAUGHT ME PATIENCE, RESPECT AND HOW TO KEEP TRYING ON AND OFF THE COURT.

I'VE LEARNED THAT WHEN SOMETHING MATTERS TO YOU, YOU HAVE TO STAND UP FOR IT.

AND REALLY, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT. BECAUSE OAK CREEK MATTERS.

WE GREW UP THERE. WE LEARNED THERE. WE BELONGED THERE.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND FOR CARING ABOUT THE PEOPLE AND THE PLACE.

THAT MEANS SO MUCH TO ALL OF US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MY NEXT MY NEXT CARD IS I APOLOGIZE IF I MISPRONOUNCED THIS.

BREE DAVIDSON. BRUCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COULDN'T READ IT.

BAD HANDWRITING. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. MY NAME IS BRUCE DAVIDSON, AND I'M A 30 YEAR CITIZEN OF CARROLLTON.

CARROLLTON TENNIS PLAYER AND THE HEAD TENNIS COACH AT PRESTONWOOD CHRISTIAN ACADEMY. I'M HERE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT AT OAK CREEK.

FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY THAT CARROLLTON IS FAR AND AWAY THE BEST, BEST TENNIS TOWN IN THE METROPLEX.

PEOPLE COME HERE TO PLAY FROM ALL OVER THE DALLAS AREA IN ADDITION TO CITIZENS, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BEST CLUB AND BEST TENNIS ASSOCIATION.

OUR CITIZENS ENJOY PLAYING AT OAK CREEK AS WELL AS OUR SATELLITE COURTS.

RANCH HOLLOW, WOODLAKE AND CROFT. AND WE HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH BRANT MARQUETTE AND ALL THE OAK RIDGE FOLKS.

SO TELL ME AGAIN WHY IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAND THIS OVER TO AN OUT-OF-TOWN GROUP THAT MANAGES SEVERAL OTHER CLUBS IN THE AREA.

I'M PRETTY NAIVE WHEN IT COMES TO CITY POLITICS, BUT ISN'T A CITY COUNCIL SUPPOSED TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ITS CITIZENS? BECAUSE THIS THIS BUSINESS IS NOT. I'VE TALKED TO DOZENS OF TENNIS FOLKS IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, AND NOT ONE OF THEM SAID THEY LIKED THIS IDEA.

ALMOST TO A MAN, THEY ASKED WHY WE'RE MESSING WITH SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY WORKING SO WELL.

I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR HIM, AND I'M BETTING Y'ALL DON'T EITHER. DO YOU THINK IT WILL GET MORE PERSONALIZED SERVICE FROM A LARGER GROUP MANAGING MANY CLUBS? PERHAPS WE'LL GET EXCITED ABOUT THE HIGHER FEES AND REQUIRED MEMBERSHIP. EVEN MORE DISCONCERTING IS THE DEAL IS THE WAY THIS DEAL HAS BEEN HANDLED AND THE TOTAL LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.

I SAT ON A COMMITTEE 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO THAT REVIEWED BIDS FROM THREE OTHER TENNIS MANAGEMENT GROUPS, AND WE WERE ABLE TO TALK AMONGST OURSELVES AND WEIGH THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH OF EACH GROUP.

OAK CREEK WON OUT BECAUSE OF THE THINGS NOTED ABOVE, A POPULAR CLUB THAT PEOPLE REALLY LIKE, AND ALSO IT'S RUN BY CARROLLTON PEOPLE. BREAD AND COMPANY HAVE FORGED RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE IN ALL WALKS OF TENNIS LIFE, AND Y'ALL WANT TO TOSS THAT AWAY. EXACTLY WHY? ALSO INTERESTING IS THE DEADLINE YOU SET FOR GROUPS TO MAKE THEIR BID, WHICH INITIALLY DID INCLUDE IMPACT.

THEN FOR SOME REASON YOU EXTENDED IT AND PRESTO IMPACT WAS THERE.

WHY SET A DEADLINE THAT MEANT NOTHING, UNLESS OF COURSE, SOMEONE WAS.

SOMEONE WAS ENTICED INTO SUDDEN FLEXIBILITY BY THEIR FAVORITE CANDIDATE.

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THIS IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND ANYWAY. THIS TELLS ME THIS WAS ABOUT MONEY AND MONEY ONLY, WHICH IS QUITE INTERESTING SINCE I UNDERSTAND AND I THINK YOU'LL HAVE THIS INFORMATION AS WELL THAT THE IMPACT GROUP WAS TURNED DOWN BY HIGH POINT BECAUSE THEY QUESTIONED THE FINANCIAL PROMISES OR SPECULATED INCOME.

THEY DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS FEASIBLE. AND THIS IS THE GROUP YOU WANT COMING TO CARROLLTON. FINALLY, SPEAKING OF TRANSPARENCY, WHEN I WAS WHEN I CALLED IN, I WAS TOLD I SHOULD EMAIL ONLY ONE PERSON, NOBODY ELSE, AND I UNDERSTOOD. WHY WOULD THAT BE? UNLESS SOMEBODY IS HIDING SOMETHING, NOT HIDING, BUT SOMETHING'S SOMETHING'S UP A LITTLE BIT. IN CLOSING, THIS SITUATION HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF US UPSET BECAUSE WE SEE ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR IT.

IT'S ALMOST INSANE TO THINK WE'D WANT TO TAKE THE MOST POPULAR TENNIS TOWN AND CLUB IN THE METROPLEX AND TURN IT UPSIDE DOWN.

I HOPE WHEN YOU DECIDE THIS, YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT YOU'RE HERE FOR THE CITY OF CARROLLTON. CITIZENS NOT OUT OF TOWN, BUSINESS PEOPLE OFFERING MORE MONEY. MONEY THAT WILL BE MADE LARGELY FROM RAISING FEES ON THESE SAME CITIZEN TENNIS PLAYERS.

THIS SHOULD BE A VERY EASY DECISION. MAKE THE RIGHT ONE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, COACH. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS ANNIE JIANG.

JIANG. HI. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANNIE AND I'M 12 YEARS OLD. I'VE BEEN PLAYING TENNIS FOR SEVEN YEARS, MORE THAN HALF OF MY TENNIS CAREER.

AND FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS, OAK CREEK TENNIS CENTER HAS BEEN MY SECOND HOME.

IT'S NOT JUST WHERE I PLAY TENNIS. I'VE GROWN UP THERE.

THIS PLACE MEANS EVERYTHING TO ME. IT'S WHERE I'VE SPENT HOURS TRAINING AFTER SCHOOL, WHERE I MET MY CLOSEST FRIENDS, AND WHERE I'VE HAD COACHES WHO HAVE CHANGED MY LIFE.

ONE OF THEM IS COACH J. HE HAS BEEN MY COACH FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS, AND HE'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS I'VE GROWN SO MUCH AS A PLAYER AND AS A PERSON.

HE PUSHES ME TO BE BETTER AND WOULD CATCH EVERY SINGLE DETAIL.

I CAN'T IMAGINE PLAYING TENNIS WITHOUT HIM AS MY COACH.

IT GIVES ME TIME TO REALIZE WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT AND WHAT I CAN DO EVEN BETTER.

ANOTHER ONE OF THEM IS COACH BRETT, OUR HEAD DIRECTOR.

THIS PLACE WOULDN'T BE ALIVE WITHOUT HIM. HE'S ALSO THE REASON WHY I CAME TO OAK CREEK IN THE FIRST PLACE.

HE HAS SUCH A GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR AND MAKES SURE THAT WE ARE HAVING FUN IMPROVING AT THE SAME TIME.

HE PUT IN SO MUCH EFFORT AND WITHOUT HIM WOULDN'T BE WHAT IT IS TODAY.

OAK CREEK IS MORE THAN JUST A TENNIS CENTER. IT'S WHERE KIDS LIKE ME GET BETTER EVERY DAY AND LEARN HOW TO STAY HEALTHY, ACTIVE, AND ATHLETIC. IT'S A PLACE WHERE WE LOOK FORWARD TO EVERY DAY AT SCHOOL.

WE ARE NOT READY TO SAY GOODBYE TO ALL OF OUR MEMORIES AND EXPERIENCE THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS KUN LI, SPEAKING ON DARK GOVERNANCE. HELLO. MY NAME IS KHAN LEE.

EVENTUALLY YOU'LL GET IT. AND SO I WAS TALKING TO DAVID BRADY.

HE IS A LONG TIME. HE WAS BASICALLY WITH DART FROM THE BEGINNING.

HE'S PART OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE GOVERNANCE DISCUSSIONS, AND I, I SAW THE DOCUMENT THAT SAYS CURRENTLY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 22 TO 23 BOARD MEMBERS.

AND HE ADVISED THAT INITIALLY WHEN DART WAS CREATED, THERE WERE 25 BOARD MEMBERS.

AND THAT CREATED BASICALLY GETTING 25 PEOPLE TO AGREE ON ANYTHING IS ALMOST AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK.

AND IT CREATED GRIDLOCK, WHICH CAUSED CONFUSION, FRUSTRATION WITH MEMBER CITIES.

AND THEY LOST A COUPLE OF MEMBER CITIES BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOUR DISCUSSIONS KEEP GOING.

AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

MY NEXT CARD IS FROM TASHA MA MIHALI. DID I GET THAT RIGHT? YES. YOU DID. I'M SO SURPRISED. HI. I'M HERE BECAUSE OF MY LOVE FOR OAK CREEK TENNIS CENTER.

I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU GUYS IN A WHILE BECAUSE MY KNEE IS A LITTLE MESSED UP.

I'VE BEEN PLAYING OUT OF THE TENNIS CENTER SINCE 2008, WHEN I MOVED HERE FROM NEW JERSEY.

AND I JUST LOVE THE COMMUNITY. I LOVE THE PEOPLE.

I HAVE THREE CHILDREN THAT WENT THROUGH THE TENNIS CENTER THAT WE GET A CHANCE TO COME HOME.

AND, I MEAN, WHEN THEY COME HOME FROM COLLEGE OR AUSTIN OR HOUSTON, WE GO UP THERE AND WE PLAY, AND IT'S JUST LIKE YESTERDAY. SO I JUST WISH IT WOULD STAY THE SAME.

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WHEN YOU START. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SHALINI.

I AM A MOTHER WHOSE HEART IS POUNDING JUST STANDING HERE.

BECAUSE WHAT'S AT STAKE IS ISN'T JUST A TENNIS CENTER.

IT'S MY DAUGHTER'S JOY. IT'S A SOUL OF OAK CREEK.

TWO YEARS AGO, WE LEFT CORE OF MCKINNEY, RUN BY IMPACT ACTIVITIES.

PICTURE THIS ONE. COACH OVERSAW FOUR COURTS FOR ALMOST 20 KIDS.

CHAOS. BECAUSE THERE ARE THERE AREN'T ENOUGH STAFF.

COACH ACTUALLY TAUGHT MY DAUGHTER TO FEED BALLS TO TO OTHERS.

EIGHT AND NINE YEAR OLD BOUNCING BALLS OF RACKET.

NO FEEDBACK. MEANWHILE. FEES. FEES SKYROCKETED.

INTERNAL POLITICS. PARENTS TREATED AS ATMS. WE LEFT WITH HEAVY HEARTS, SEARCHING FOR A PLACE THAT ACTUALLY CARED. THEN WE FOUND OAK CREEK. IT JUST FELT LIKE COMING HOME.

UNDER COACH BRAD AND HIS TEAM, ERIC KEYS IS SEEN GROUP OF 5 TO 8 KIDS PER COACH.

COACH WHO KNOWS THEIR KEYS. NAME YOUR KEYS. BACKHAND YOUR KEYS.

SHY SMILE AFTER A GOOD RALLY. FRONT DESK STAFF WHO GREETING US LIKE FAMILY.

AFFORDABLE PRICE. I WATCHED MY DAUGHTER'S CONFIDENCE ROAR.

I'VE SEEN HER LEARN RESISTANCE WHEN SHE MISSED A SERVE AND JOY WHEN SHE NAILS IT.

OH, CRAIG IS CITY COUNCIL FOR A REASON TO SERVE FAMILIES, NOT PROFIT MARGINS.

IF IMPACT OR OTHER GROUP WITH THAT MINDSET TAKE OVER, WE LOSE SMALL GROUPS, PASSIONATE COACHES AND FAMILY, OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. I'M BEGGING YOU, PROTECT OAK CREEK.

KEEP IT IN HANDS OF CITY AND LEADERS LIKE BRAD WHO? WHO MADE IT HOME FOR TENNIS KEYS. BRING US TO TABLE.

BRING THE PARENTS. LET THE PARENTS SPEAK. LET THE KIDS SPEAK.

CHOICE IS YOURS. CHOOSE THE KEYS. CHOOSE A CREEK.

KEEP IT OURS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MY NEXT MY NEXT CARD IS FROM HEMEL SHORE. APOLOGIES IF I DIDN'T PRONOUNCE THAT RIGHT.

FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME. OKAY. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, RESPECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS HEMEL SHAH, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE TOPIC OF PROTECT OAK CREEK TENNIS CENTER AND KEEP IT PUBLIC.

I'M A FATHER OF TWO BEAUTIFUL GIRLS, 112 YEAR OLD AND ONE SIX YEAR OLD, AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING TENNIS FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS.

I HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I MY DAUGHTERS WERE GETTING TRAINED AT COURTS OF MCKINNEY AND IMPACT ACTIVITIES WAS THE ONE, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT WAS RUNNING THAT ACADEMY, AND I SAW THAT THE QUALITY DETERIORATED FROM WEEK AFTER WEEK, MONTH AFTER MONTH, AND I WOULD GET MY DAUGHTER TO GO PLAY ALL THESE USTA TOURNAMENTS, AND EVERY TIME SHE WOULD PLAY AGAINST A GIRL THAT THE QUALITY WAS LIKE TOP NOTCH. AND I WOULD ASK THE PARENTS AND THEN I WOULD FIND OUT THAT THEY ALL TRAIN AT OAK CREEK.

SO I'M LIKE, WHAT'S SO SPECIAL ABOUT OAK CREEK? SO THIS SUMMER I INTRODUCED MYSELF TO COACH BRETT, WHO IS THE PERSON WHO IS THE DIRECTOR WHO RUNS THAT ORGANIZATION OVER THERE.

AND HE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO GIVE LESSONS TO MY TO MY DAUGHTER.

HE STARTED THIS SUMMER, AND WITHIN 3 OR 4 MONTHS, I SEE A BIG CHANGE IN HER GAME, IN HER ENJOYMENT FOR TENNIS AND THE TIME THAT SHE'S SPENDING ON ON COURT. SO IT'S ONLY BEEN THREE MONTHS.

OBVIOUSLY, UNLIKE OTHERS WHO CAME AND SPOKE, WHO HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, I'VE JUST BEEN THERE FOR THREE, FOUR MONTHS. BUT I'VE SEEN A BIG CHANGE, NOT ONLY IN THE QUALITY, BUT IN THE ENJOYMENT THAT MY MY DAUGHTERS ARE HAVING PLAYING TENNIS, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS THE HEALTHIEST SPORT IN THE WORLD NOW, I REALLY URGE YOU GUYS TO LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER, BECAUSE I HAVE FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE SEEING HOW THINGS ARE RUN BY IMPACT ACTIVITIES, WHICH IS THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY,

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AND I URGE YOU TO LOOK INTO THIS MATTER AND PROTECT OAK CREEK TENNIS CENTER.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY.

MY LAST MY LAST CARD IS FROM BONNIE JO. BONNIE.

OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. SO SHE. I'M SORRY. DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.

SOUNDS LIKE SHE'S IN SUPPORT OF THE TENNIS GROUP.

AND I'LL JUST. PRIOR DISCUSSIONS. OKAY. COUNCIL.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS. IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM, YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW.

OKAY. SEEING. GO AHEAD. YES. DO ME A FAVOR. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN JUST ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. ABSOLUTELY. MY NAME IS LISA RATCHER.

I LIVE IN PROSPER, ACTUALLY. 581 AMISTAD DRIVE.

PROSPER, TEXAS. I AM NEWLY APPOINTED PRESIDENT OF CETA CARROLLTON TENNIS ASSOCIATION.

JUST NOT EVEN TWO WEEKS YET. AND WE HAD OUR MEMBER GUEST MEETING ON SATURDAY, AND THERE WAS LOTS OF PUBLIC CONCERN OF THE FUTURE OF OAK CREEK. I AM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THESE OPINIONS, MEANING I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF COURTS OF MCKINNEY. I PLAY ON FIVE TEAMS. I CAPTAINED MULTIPLE TEAMS, SO I PLAY AT SEVERAL IMPACT ACTIVITY FACILITIES.

AND I UNDERSTAND CHANGE IS HARD, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE WAS A MOVIE THAT WAS QUOTED THAT CHANGE WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN, BUT IT'S HAPPENED AND NOW YOU HAVE TO ROLL WITH IT.

I THINK THE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN IS SCARY. HOWEVER, I HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH MATT HANLON AND THE LEADERSHIP OF IMPACT ACTIVITIES AND SEEING THEM TAKE OVER PLACES SUCH AS SAMUEL GRAND, L.B. HOUSTON. AND THEY HAVE MADE IT BETTER. THEY HAVE GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO ENSURE QUALITY, TENNIS QUALITY COACHES FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

I ALSO WANT TO STRESS THAT I WAS THE PRESIDENT OF TCD TENNIS COMPETITORS OF DALLAS, WHICH, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, IS THE BIGGEST TENNIS ORGANIZATION IN THE STATE OF, WELL, IN NORTHERN, ACTUALLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR COMPETITIVE RECREATIONAL PLAY, AND HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY AGAIN WITH THE LEADERSHIP AT IMPACT ACTIVITIES, ESPECIALLY COURTS AND MCKINNEY, BECAUSE I LIVE VERY CLOSE IN PROSPER, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A DIFFICULT DECISION. I HAD TO WORK WITH THE LEADERSHIP AT OAK CREEK IN MY PAST, AND IT WAS DIFFICULT.

IT WAS DIFFICULT TO TO COMMUNICATE WITH BRETT.

IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET ANSWERS FOR THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE FOR OUR ORGANIZATION TO RUN OUT OF OAK CREEK. I KNOW THAT WE, AS CTA, HAD WANTED TO BRING PICKLEBALL TO THE COMMUNITY AT OAK CREEK, AND IT WAS MET WITH REALLY GOOD OPPOSITION, MAINLY FROM BRETT.

SO I THINK THAT WHILE I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN AND WHAT THE FUTURE LIES.

I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT IMPACT ACTIVITIES HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD PLACE FOR A LOT OF YOUNG TENNIS PLAYERS, OLD TENNIS PLAYERS SUCH AS MYSELF. AND I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR THE FOLKS AT CARROLLTON, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WHATEVER THAT OUTCOME IS, WHOEVER GETS THIS CONTRACT AS MY NEW ROLE AS PRESIDENT OF CTA, TO WORK HAND IN HAND FOR THE FUTURE OF ALL OF OUR PLAYERS, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY AT OAK CREEK.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AGAIN, COUNCIL, I HAVE NO OTHER CARDS, BUT IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK, THEY MAY DO SO BY APPROACHING THE PODIUM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS LEAH SANCHEZ.

I'M AT 3944 LEGACY TRAIL HERE IN CARROLLTON. I WORK FOR LEWISVILLE ISD AND I WORK FOR THE EARLY CHILDHOOD CENTER.

MOST OF OUR STUDENTS ARE LOW SOCIOECONOMIC STUDENTS.

WE WORK DAILY WITH A NEW RAISE FROM THE STATE, WHICH DOESN'T AMOUNT TO TOO MUCH AS A TEACHER BECAUSE EVERYTHING GOES UP.

EVERYBODY ELSE HERE GROCERIES, GAS, EVERYTHING, PROPERTY TAX, EVERYTHING GOES UP.

SO YES, WE GOT A RAISE AS TEACHERS, BUT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A SALARY, OUR STUDENTS, THEY DON'T.

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I NEVER DID GO TO OAK CREEK. I ALWAYS WANTED TO.

I PLAYED COLLEGE TENNIS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF DALLAS.

TENNIS IS AN AMAZING SPORT. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO STICK WITH OUR COMMUNITY HERE IN CARROLLTON, EVEN THOUGH I'VE NEVER PLAYED THERE. I WANT TO SIGN UP.

I UNDERSTAND MAYBE THE LEADERSHIP HAS SOME LEARNING TO DO.

MAYBE THEY NEED SOME COMMUNICATION CLASS OR SOMETHING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM A COUPLE OF OUR OUR PARENTS THAT HAD THEIR OWN IMPACT EXPERIENCES THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT REALITY. I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS ON THE BOOKS.

I DON'T HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS WRITTEN DOWN ON A SPREADSHEET.

HOWEVER, I HEAR THE HEART. I'M A TEACHER, I TEACH PRE-K, SO YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY FIGURE OUT EVERY STUDENT.

THEY'RE LIKE A LITTLE PUZZLE, AND YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM WORK TOGETHER.

ALL 15. WE HAVE A TEACHER THAT SPEAKS ENGLISH.

I SPEAK SPANISH AND ENGLISH, SO WE'RE LIKE TRYING TO SPEAK TO EACH OTHER IN ENGLISH AND THEN TALK TO THE KIDS IN SPANISH AND TEACH AND HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE NONVERBAL, ALL THESE THINGS. AND THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING.

BUT IT'S ALSO THE SAME BECAUSE WE'RE A COMMUNITY, WE'RE A BODY, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND DO WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR KIDS, BEST FOR OUR STUDENTS, BEST FOR OUR FAMILIES AND A BUSINESS.

MAYBE THEY'RE GREAT. MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THEM, BUT I KNOW OAK CREEK HAS BEEN THERE THROUGH IT ALL.

AND WHY DON'T WE JUST COACH SOMEONE? THE COACH THAT NEEDS SOME COACHING ON GETTING THINGS DONE IN A TIMELY FASHION.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY WORKING, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S AMAZING.

AND HEY, I'LL SIGN UP TOO, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T PLAYED TENNIS IN A HOT MINUTE. BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I JUST WANTED YOU TO HEAR SOMETHING FROM SOMEONE THAT'S HERE TONIGHT AS A SERVANT.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. DANIEL HENSLEY, 37 100 BALFOUR PLACE.

I WANT TO SUPPORT THEM AS WELL. I PLAYED TENNIS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE, MOSTLY AS FUN ON TENNIS COURTS.

MY SON OR MY WIFE AND I TALKED ABOUT ENROLLING OUR SON INTO TENNIS CLASS.

WE HELD OFF ON THAT. HE TURNED OUT THAT HE REALLY LIKED ROCK CLIMBING.

INSTEAD, WE GOT IN WITH SOMETHING THAT FELT A LITTLE CORPORATE.

PRICES GO UP AND UP AND UP. I'VE TAKEN HIM OUT OF THAT, AND NOW WHAT I DO IS JUST TAKE THEM ON HIKES.

SO THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF GET OUTDOORS AND GET HIS EXERCISE IN I, AS A CITIZEN, MUCH PREFER IT BEING IN THE CITY LIKE EVER.

LIKE MANY HAVE SAID, AND I WOULD THINK TWICE AND LIKELY NOT SIGN UP IF IT WENT TO AN OUTSIDE CORPORATE HANDS.

ESPECIALLY WHEN I'M HEARING AND READING REALLY QUICK ONLINE AND HOW WELL THEY HAVE DONE.

SO I JUST WANT TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR KEEPING IT LOCAL.

THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. LAST CALL FOR ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ANY TOPIC. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS. HI. I'M THE MOM OF CLAIRE KAI.

I'M SO GLAD MY DAUGHTER CAN SPEAK UP THIS EVENING.

AND I DIDN'T PREPARE ANY SPEECH, ACTUALLY. AND AS CLAIRE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC.

WE NEED TO SPEAK UP AND WE NEED TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, LET EVERYONE KNOW.

YOU KNOW, WE, OUR FAMILY, HAVE CLOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR CRICKET AND COACH BRAD.

I DON'T MIND TO SHARE OUR I MEAN, COACH BRAD IS ONE OF THE LIGHT OF OUR KIDS.

I HAVE TO SAY THAT, AND I JUST WANT TO ASK ONE QUESTION FOR ALL THE MEMBERS HERE FOR PROFIT DRIVEN, COMPANY LIKE IMPACT ACTIVITIES. I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH THEY PROMISED, I MEAN, BUT JUST ONE QUESTION WHERE DOES THE PROFIT COME FROM? I MEAN, THEY MAY MAKE MAY PROMISE OF EXTRA, EXTRA PROFIT.

WHERE IS THE EXTRA PROFIT COME FROM? I MEAN, FOR MEMBERS, YOU'RE FREE TO SPEAK, BUT WE CAN'T TALK.

IT'S NOT A DIALOG. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO ASK EVERYBODY TO THINK ABOUT THIS QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, WHERE AS CUSTOMERS, WE PAY LIKE A COACHES FEE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S COACHES. THEY ALSO NEED SALARY.

SO WHERE DOES THE PROFIT COME FROM? PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS QUESTION.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. LAST CALL FOR ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO COUNSEL.

OKAY. SEEING NONE, PLEASE APPROACH. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. I'M SUSANNAH DOOLING, AND MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE.

I DO NOT PLAY TENNIS, BUT I DO ADMIRE EVERYONE WHO DOES.

I DID, HOWEVER, WORK AND REPRESENT. I'M SORRY.

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AND THE LIGHTING. MA'AM, PLEASE. ADDRESS. AND THE LIGHTING? THE CHAIR. WE ALSO WORKED ON THE BOND. OAK CREEK WAS INCLUDED IN THAT IN THE LATE TEENS. AND IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US WHO SERVED AND GRANTED AND AWARDED AND GOT VOTED VOTES FOR OAK CREEK, THAT IT WOULD BELONG TO OUR RESIDENTS.

THAT IS WHAT PARKS AND REC DID. WE USED AND UTILIZED AND REPRESENTED OUR TAXES TO GO FOR OUR RESIDENTS. IT WAS NOT FOR A COMPANY TO MAKE PROFIT.

AND THOUGH I RECOGNIZE THE NEED THAT SOME FACILITIES DO NEED TO CHARGE MONEY, THAT THAT IS TO MAINTAIN A LEVEL SUCH AS THE SENIOR CENTER, WE DO CHARGE A FEE.

BUT IT IS NOT TO MAKE A PROFIT WHEN WE CHARGE FEES AT ROSEMEAD OR CROSBY.

IT IS TO MAINTAIN, BUT NOT TO MAKE A BIG PROFIT.

AND WHAT I'M ASKING FOR YOU TODAY, AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYONE AND UNDERSTANDING TWO SIDES OF THIS COIN, IS VOTING FOR THIS NEW COMPANY TO COME IN. IS THAT FOR A PROFIT MAKING SYSTEM OR IS IT TO REPRESENT THE CITIZENS? THAT IS ALL I'M ASKING YOU TO DO. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, I'M LAST CALL FOR ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL.

SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING OUT.

SPEAK FROM YOUR HEART. A LITTLE MISINFORMATION OUT THERE, BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO ONE OF US.

WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN'T GET YOU A WRITTEN RESPONSE. WE CANNOT HAVE A DIALOG HERE.

BUT SOME OF THE INFORMATION WAS PROBABLY MISINFORMATION.

SO WITH THAT COUNCIL, WE WILL STAND ADJOURNED AT 8:15 P.M..

THIS IS GOING TO TURN RIGHT TO THAT, ACTUALLY.

OKAY. COUNCIL. WE WILL RECONVENE OUR WORK SESSION.

TAKING YOU BACK TO INFORMATION SHARING. CHLOE.

YES, SIR. WHAT IS OUR PLAN? LET'S TALK PML. PML IS THIS WEEK, WEDNESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

I KNOW MOST OF YOU ARE PLANNING ON ATTENDING.

KICKOFF TOMORROW IS DOORS OPEN AT 730 AND THE OPENING SESSION BEGINS AT 1015.

TOMORROW IS WHERE YOUR CITY SHIRT DAY. SO EACH OF YOU SHOULD HAVE A SHORT SLEEVE BLUE POLO WITH.

THAT'S CARROLLTON BRANDED FOR IF YOU WOULD ALL LIKE TO WEAR CHOOSE TO WEAR THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO ATTEND THE OPENING SESSION AND THEN WE'LL ALL ATTEND LUNCH TOGETHER IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE IN THE AFTERNOON WILL BE FULL OF SESSIONS FOR YOU TO CHOOSE FROM.

THURSDAY AGAIN, SESSIONS ALL DAY STARTING AT 3915, ENDING AT 445.

AND THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, COME AND GO AS YOU PLEASE.

WE WILL BE MEETING UP FOR LUNCH AGAIN ON THURSDAY.

IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE AND WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND LUNCH WITH EVERYONE.

AND THEN FRIDAY MORNING SESSIONS ARE FROM 9 TO 1015.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE KEYNOTE SLASH BREAKFAST SPEAK BREAKFAST TICKET FOR FROM TEN TO NOON, 1030 TO NOON ON FRIDAY MORNING, AND THEN TML IS DISMISSED.

BUT IT'S AT THE FORT WORTH CONVENTION CENTER WEDNESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY THIS WEEK.

PARKING WILL JUST BE LIKE NORMAL AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TEXT ME.

I'LL BE THERE STARTING AT 8 A.M. TOMORROW THROUGH NOON ON FRIDAY, SO I'LL BE AVAILABLE AS WELL.

GRACE. SHOW OF HANDS. WHO ELSE GOING TO BE THERE FOR WEDNESDAY SO CHLOE KNOWS FOR LUNCH PURPOSES. OKAY.

OKAY. ACTIVITIES THAT OTHERWISE SHE MIGHT BE HELPING TO COORDINATE.

I'LL BE THERE THURSDAY AFTERNOON. WE'LL.

SIT TOGETHER IF YOU SO CHOOSE. AND THAT WAY WE CAN ALL YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US THAT ARE AVAILABLE WALK TO LUNCH TOGETHER.

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SWAG THERE? YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. AWESOME. YEAH. YEAH. FREE. FREE STUFF.

THURSDAY. TYPICALLY WITH CITY POLOS. THURSDAY IS, IN MY OPINION, THAT I'VE KIND OF GOES A LITTLE BIT MORE CASUAL AND A LITTLE BIT NICER THAN CASUAL.

AGAIN FOR OUT. SHANNON'S GOING TO TAKE THE TRAIN.

TRAIN ALL THE WAY OVER THERE ON THURSDAY.

NO SNACKS PROVIDED. OH. MAYBE SO.

ANY EXPENSE REIMBURSEMENT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO LIKE, WHAT CAN BE MILEAGE AND PARKING? WILL BE REIMBURSED. AND THEN. AND THEN IN MEAL, YOU EAT? YEAH. WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY LUNCH. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. CHLOE AND GRACE, FOR ALL YOUR WORK IN TERMS OF COORDINATING TML AGAIN.

HERDING CATS HERE. SOMETIMES A LOT OF CHALLENGES.

IT'LL BE A GOOD EVENT. IT'S. YEAH. YOU'LL SEE.

AND I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE SOME ON DIFFERENT PANELS AS WELL.

COUNCIL WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO QUICKLY A MINI RETREAT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MINI. SO IT'LL BE A DECEMBER AFTERNOON.

CHLOE, WHAT'S THE DATE OF THAT? DECEMBER 12TH.

DECEMBER 12TH. FRIDAY AFTERNOON FROM. YEP. FRIDAY AFTERNOON.

STARTING AT 1:00 ON DECEMBER 12TH AT THE CROSBY RECREATION CENTER.

A GET TOGETHER WITH SOME TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITIES.

REFRESHMENTS. THINGS LIKE THAT. FOLLOWED BY A TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITY.

YEAH, YEAH. FOLLOWED BY A TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITY, WHICH OUR SPORTSMANSHIP, AMONG OTHER THINGS.

YES. TBD. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY TOO MANY THINGS.

WHAT TIME DOES IT START? STARTS AT 1:00. 1:00, AND IT GOES TO THE AFTERNOON.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE MAYBE AN EVENING ACTIVITY AS WELL.

ACTIVITY AND DINNER. DECEMBER 12TH. DECEMBER 12TH.

IS THIS CHRISTMAS? YES. SO DO WE INVITE SPOUSE TO THE DINNER? TO THE DINNER? OKAY. YES. MORE DETAILS. MORE DETAILS TO COME.

SPOUSES FOR THE DINNER. CORRECT. CHLOE WILL SEND OUT A.

I'LL SEND OUT A DETAILED ITINERARY FOR THE DAY.

APPOINTMENT REQUEST. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. ON. ON YOUR CALENDARS.

OKAY, SO HOPEFULLY EVERYONE CAN MAKE THAT. IT'S ALWAYS FUN.

AND THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A OF A KIND OF LESSONS LEARNED, KIND OF BEST PRACTICES AND ALL THAT TO START THE DAY.

SO IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD REMINDER IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT MAKES FOR A GREAT COUNCIL MEMBER? CAN YOU SEND A CALENDAR INVITE FOR THAT SO THAT WE HAVE IT? YES, I WILL DO THAT TOMORROW. YES. OKAY. WITH THAT COUNCIL THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSS ADMINISTRATIVE AND REGULATORY FINDINGS RELATED TO SHORT TERM RENTALS.

YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS EARLIER. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DIRECTOR.

TONIGHT WE HAVE OUR THIRD AND FINAL IN THIS ONGOING SERIES OF SHORT TERM RENTAL BENCHMARKING AND DATA SHARING.

YOU HAVE SEEN THE OTHER CATEGORIES ALREADY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER THREE, AS COUNCIL DID NOT WISH TO REVIEW ANYTHING RELATED TO CHANGING THE USE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO THIS WILL WRAP UP NOTIFICATION RESTRICTIONS AND THE APPROVAL PROCESS.

SO AGAIN EARLIER WE DISCUSSED THOSE WITH THE CHECK BOXES.

AND THEN TONIGHT IS THOSE THREE ITEMS RIGHT. THE REMAINING THREE CORRECT.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR SOME GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION AT THE CLASS.

THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH RESTRICTIONS.

AND TODAY THE CURRENT STR SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS FOR AN OPERATION FIRST BEING PARKING THEY CANNOT GUESS CANNOT PARK ON THE STREET. THEY MUST PROVIDE OFF STREET PARKING SUCH AS THE DRIVEWAY OR GARAGE CANNOT EXCEED THE OCCUPANCY LOAD, WHICH IS SET BY STAFF BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME.

THEY CANNOT ADD BEDROOMS, SUCH AS CONVERTING A GARAGE.

THERE IS A NOISE CURFEW FROM 10 P.M. TO 7 A.M., WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF OUR NOISE ORDINANCE, AND THEN NO SPECIAL EVENTS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, OF COURSE, ALL OTHER CITY OF CARROLLTON CODE OF ORDINANCES APPLY.

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HOWEVER, BETWEEN THE 60 SHORT TERM RENTALS, THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT TWO AND A HALF VIOLATIONS PER LOCATION.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, TRASH AND HIGH GRASS AND VEGETATION ARE THE TWO PRIMARY FACTORS THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT FROM RESIDENTS.

AND ON THE CIRCLE CHART HERE, YOU'LL SEE WE'RE HEARING FROM RESIDENTS ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, ABOUT 60% TO THE CITY'S 40%, WHERE WE ARE PROACTIVELY FINDING THESE VIOLATIONS.

HOW THAT COMPARES TO GENERAL CODE ENFORCEMENT.

YOU'LL SEE HIGH GRASS AND VEGETATION AND TRASH ARE FLIPPED.

SO WHAT WE CAN TAKE AWAY FROM THAT IS, IN GENERAL, SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE TAKING BETTER CARE OF THEIR LAWN AND TREE TRIMMING.

HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TRASH VIOLATIONS.

HOUSING REPAIR AND PARKING ARE FAIRLY CONSISTENT BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE DO HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER VIOLATIONS PER HOUSEHOLD.

AND I JUST WANT TO NOTE, WE DO NOT WRITE A NOTICE TO EVERY OTHER HOUSE WITHIN THE CITY OF CARROLLTON.

ONE THIS IS OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD, AND YOU HAVE ABOUT 15% OF CARROLLTON HOMES THAT ARE RECEIVING A VIOLATION EVERY YEAR.

THEY'RE USUALLY RECEIVING MORE THAN ONE. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE DETERMINED THE BEST WAY TO PRESENT THE DATA IS TO LOOK AT VARIOUS CITIES AND JUST IDENTIFY FOR EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES.

DO THEY HAVE A RESTRICTION ON IT? OBVIOUSLY EACH CITY IS GOING TO APPROACH THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

AND I DIDN'T WANT TO GET QUITE THAT GRANULAR TONIGHT.

BUT LOOKING AT OUR BENCHMARK CITIES, YOU'LL SEE THEY DO ALL REQUIRE AN APPLICATION AND A PERMIT TO OPERATE AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

MOST OF THEM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PLANO AND RICHARDSON, ALSO REQUIRE AN ANNUAL INSPECTION.

PREMISES CONDITIONS. THAT'S THE INTERIOR CLEANLINESS AND REPAIR STATUS OF THE HOME.

YOU'LL SEE IT'S ONLY US IN LEWISVILLE. TRASH FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL SPECIFIC ORDINANCE.

ONLY LEWISVILLE AND THEN GENERALLY PARKING NOISE AND OCCUPANCY.

MOST CITIES HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS WITH REGARDS TO THOSE.

LOOKING AT WHAT SOME OF THOSE SHORT TERM, SHORT TERM RENTAL SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS LOOK LIKE FOR EACH OF THOSE CITIES.

LEWISVILLE THEY REQUIRE SECOND TRASH BIN, WHICH WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL TRASH VIOLATIONS AND COMPLAINTS THAT WE'RE RECEIVING.

PLANO REQUIRES THEIR SHORT TERM RENTALS TO LOOK AT THE TO PLACE A DISCLAIMER ON THE ACTUAL AIRBNB OR VRBO OR WHATEVER BOOKING SITE THAT THE CITY PROHIBITS ANY SHORT TERM RENTAL WITHOUT A VALID PERMIT.

SO RESIDENTS ARE ARE VERY AWARE UP FRONT WHETHER OR NOT THEIR LOCATION IS VALID.

PLANO ALSO REQUIRES THE OWNERS TO PROVIDE A SWORN OWNER APPLICATION STATEMENT ATTESTING THAT EVERYTHING IS ACCURATE.

THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN COMPLIANCE AND WILL WILL REMAIN SO, AND THAT THEY'VE ALSO CONTACTED THE HOA AND THAT THERE'S NO DEED RESTRICTION, NO AGREEMENT OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THEM FROM OPERATING AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

PLANO IS ALSO ONE OF THE CITIES THAT REQUIRES A NOISE AND VIDEO MONITORING EQUIPMENT SO THAT THEY CAN THEIR LOCATIONS CAN BE MONITORED AT ALL TIMES FOR LOUD NOISE.

THEY ALSO REQUIRE AN OCCUPANT HISTORY REQUEST.

SO IF THERE WAS EVER AN INCIDENT. THE CITY CAN REQUEST FROM THE OPERATOR WHO WAS AT THE LOCATION THAT DAY SO THAT WE CAN EITHER SPEAK WITH THEM OR TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST THEM. FRISCO.

PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY. CAN'T RENT TO ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 21.

THE CITY OF DALLAS IS ONE OF THE FEW THAT HAS A MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENT, WITH THE HOPES OF HEADING OFF SOME OF THE ISSUES RELATED TO A PARTY HOME FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND THEN SEDONA, ARIZONA, BEING AN EXAMPLE WHERE THEY REQUIRED THE SHORT TERM OPERATORS TO PROVIDE A BACKGROUND CHECK FOR EACH OF THE OCCUPANTS. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE, WE WILL SEE THEM AGAIN AT THE END WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE FULL LIST OR THE FULL MENU, IF YOU WILL, OF ALL OF THE ITEMS. MOVING INTO NOTIFICATION.

THERE WERE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP FROM COUNCIL ON HOW ARE WE NOTIFYING INDIVIDUALS? AND I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THAT HERE TODAY.

SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE NOTIFICATION THAT WENT OUT TO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATOR WHEN THEY WERE IDENTIFIED AS OPERATING AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

VERY STANDARD LETTER PROVIDES THEM WITH THE INFORMATION.

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YOU HAVE 45 DAYS TO DO SO. OH, AND IN CASE YOU DON'T BELIEVE US, THIS IS WHAT YOUR BOOKING LOOKS LIKE.

SO WE'RE PROVIDING THEM WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT WE FOUND. COUNCIL.

WHEN WE FIRST APPROVED THE ORDINANCE, THERE WAS A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WE WANTED TO ALLOW THEM PLENTY OF TIME TO GO THROUGH THESE STEPS.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE FIRST NOTICE, THEY RECEIVED TWO ADDITIONAL ONES.

SO THEY HAD ABOUT FOUR MONTHS BEFORE WE TOOK ENFORCEMENT ACTION IF THEY FAILED TO REGISTER DURING THAT TIME.

MOVING INTO OUR GENERAL CODE ENFORCEMENT NOTIFICATION PROCESS PROPERTY OWNERS WERE ALSO VERY WELL NOTIFIED IF THEY RECEIVED AN ISSUE, BE IT A SHORT TERM RENTAL VIOLATION OR JUST A GENERAL CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION.

SO THAT PROCESS IS A STANDARD TEN DAY LETTER, WHICH LOOKS LIKE THIS ONE HERE ON THE RIGHT.

IF THEY FAIL TO CORRECT IT AFTER REINSPECTION THEY'LL SEND ANOTHER LETTER OR PERHAPS A DOOR HANGER, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION. IF THIS IS THEIR FIRST TIME OFFENSE, THEY'LL RECEIVE A THIRD NOTICE AND AFTER THAT IT'S A CITATION.

AND OF COURSE, THIS DEPENDS ON WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND HOW MANY TIMES THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS ISSUE IN THE PAST.

NEXT IS THE SCP NOTIFICATION PROCESS. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THESE SIGNS AROUND TOWN, BUT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL GO AND STAKE THE ACTUAL PROPERTY, WHICH THEY DID DO FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATIONS THAT WERE GOING THROUGH THE SCP PROCESS.

THEY'LL STAKE THAT TEN DAYS PRIOR TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

NEXT THEY WILL MAIL A NOTICE TO THE THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES WITHIN 200FT, ALONG WITH A COMMENT CARD.

IN CASE THEY HAD ANY COMMENTS THAT THEY WANTED TO SUBMIT TO PLANNING AND ZONING.

THEY ALSO PUBLISHED THAT IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS.

AND THEN THAT SIGN AND THOSE NOTICES WOULD REMAIN IN PLACE ASSUMING IT PASSES P AND Z AND THEN WOULD MAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

AND ALL THAT'S FOR STATE LAW. CORRECT? YEAH. YEAH.

THAT'S ALL STANDARD PROCESS. THE VERY LAST WAY THAT FOLKS ARE NOTIFIED WITH REGARDS TO SHORT TERM RENTAL IS THE GUESTS WHEN BOOKING THE MOST WEBSITES WILL HAVE HOST RULES. OF COURSE, THE OPERATOR HAS TO PROVIDE THOSE ON THE ACTUAL BOOKING WEBSITE, BUT IN GENERAL, IT PROVIDES VERY GENERAL RULES OR SOMETIMES VERY SPECIFIC RULES FOR THAT HOUSE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THOSE RULES MUST BE POSTED ON SITE.

THAT IS ONE OF THE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OPERATORS, AND THAT THEY MUST ALSO PROVIDE A LOCAL CONTACT SHOULD THEY LIVE OUT OF STATE OR OUT OF THE AREA, SO THAT SOMEONE CAN RESPOND WITHIN 24 HOURS AT ANY TIME.

LOOKING AT WHAT SOME OTHER CITIES ARE DOING WITH REGARDS TO NOTICE GARLAND HAD AN EXAMPLE WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRING SHORT TERM OPERATORS TO TO NOTIFY AN OPERATIONS ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, SAYING WE'RE OPERATING AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES, HERE'S THE NAME AND NUMBER THAT YOU NEED TO CALL.

ASIDE FROM THAT, MOST CITIES ARE FOLLOWING THE GENERAL NOTIFICATION PROCESS.

MOVING INTO THE APPROVAL PROCESS. THESE ARE ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATOR BEFORE THEY CAN RECEIVE THEIR PERMIT FROM ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. THEY NEED TO PROVIDE US HOW MANY GUEST ROOMS THERE ARE, WHICH OF COURSE IS VERIFIED DURING THE INSPECTION.

THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PERSONS WHICH IS ACTUALLY ASSIGNED BY STAFF.

AND THAT'S BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME.

THEY NEED TO PROVE THAT THEY'VE REGISTERED WITH THE STATE FOR THEIR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.

THEY NEED TO PROVIDE A COPY OF THE HOST RULES, AS WELL AS THE OFF STREET PARKING PLAN AND FLOOR PLAN.

YOU MAY HAVE SEEN SOME DURING THE HEARINGS THAT WE HAD, AS WELL AS PROVIDING THE CITY WITH THE CONTACT INFO OF THE OWNER AND THE LOCAL PARTY.

ONCE STAFF RECEIVED THAT, THEY WOULD PERFORM AN ANNUAL INSPECTION TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS ALIGNED WITH WHAT THEY SUBMITTED, AS WELL AS ENSURING THAT THE PREMISES CONDITIONS, GENERAL CLEANLINESS AND REPAIR OF THE HOME IS SAFE FOR GUESTS TO COME TO CARROLLTON AND STAY IN. AND THIS IS THE GENERAL PATHWAY THAT SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATORS WOULD TAKE.

SO ON THE TOP LINE WOULD BE THOSE THAT HAVE NONCONFORMING RIGHTS THAT WERE IN OPERATION BEFORE THE FEBRUARY 7TH DATE THAT THE ZONING CHANGED, REQUIRING THE SEP PROCESS. THEY WOULD JUMP IMMEDIATELY TO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATION, SUBMIT THEIR DOCUMENTATIONS, COMPLETE THE INSPECTION, AND THEY'D RECEIVE THE LODGING LICENSE FOR THOSE THAT WERE IN OPERATION AFTER THE ZONING CHANGE THAT REQUIRED THE SEP. SO THEY WOULD FIRST APPLY WITH PLANNING AND ZONING, THEY WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING SEP HEARING AFTER THAT IF APPROVED OR DENIED AND ON APPEAL WOULD GO TO COUNCIL AND THEN THEY WOULD SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATIONS,

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JUST AS A NOTE, CHAPTER 100 HAS THE TEMPORARY PROHIBITION ON THE REQUIREMENT.

SO CURRENTLY AND APPLICATIONS IN GENERAL. SO THIS PROCESS HAS STOPPED.

SO WE HAVE MADE IT THROUGH ALL OF THE EIGHT ITEMS. NEXT STEPS WILL BE JUST TO TAKE THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING, AS WELL AS WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, AND MAKE A DETERMINATION TONIGHT IF THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE UPCOMING REVISIONS.

ONCE THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE TONIGHT, THEN WE'LL HAVE AN ORDINANCE READY FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL IN THE DECEMBER MEETING.

SO, MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE THESE ONE BY ONE OR SO.

I THINK THAT MAYBE LET'S TAKE IT AT THE HIGHER LEVEL FIRST.

RIGHT? IN TERMS OF KIND OF THE BECAUSE THESE SOME OF THESE RESTRICTIONS MAY BE REMOVED DEPENDING ON WHAT DIRECTION WE GO. RIGHT. SO, NO. ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S TAKE THEM ONE BY ONE.

ALL RIGHT. STARTING OFF QUICK QUESTION. IF YOU WERE TO BE ABLE TO, I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU WERE GOING THERE.

IF YOU WERE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT IN THE IN THE CATEGORIZATION THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY PUT IT IN.

WHEN WE LOOK AT EACH OF THESE CONSIDERATIONS BY EACH OF THOSE THREE GROUPS, OR.

NO, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD, I GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. THIS IS WHAT WOULD APPLY TO ANYBODY WHO'S LAWFULLY OPERATING RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CONTINUE TO OPERATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NONCONFORMING RIGHTS.

YES. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. AND SO HAVING THESE ON THE BOOKS IS WHAT WOULD BE USED TO REGULATE REGARDLESS OF OF WHAT FLAVOR OF REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD.

THESE ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NONCONFORMING RIGHTS. AND SO THOSE NONCONFORMING RIGHTS, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CHANGE RULES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE RIGHTS, THESE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH NONCONFORMING RIGHTS. THIS IS A LICENSE REQUIREMENT, A LICENSE PROCESS, AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THAT. YEAH. MY QUESTION IS IS IF THEY HAVE A LICENSE OR PERMIT.

RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S GOOD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

RIGHT. DO THEY DO THESE DEPENDING ON WHERE WE LAND ON THESE, DO THESE PICK UP IMMEDIATELY OR DO THEY PICK UP WHEN THEY RENEW THEIR PERMIT? WHEN THEY RENEW? FOR THE MOST PART, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING. SORRY I MISUNDERSTOOD. ALL RIGHT, LET'S JUST GO DOWN THROUGH THESE AGAIN, PARKING OFF STREET ONLY COUNCIL.

AGAIN, THAT'S CURRENT CONSENSUS TO TO KEEP. OKAY.

1234 CANNOT EXCEED OCCUPANCY LOAD. THAT'S ALL THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

FIVE STAFF BASED ON BEDROOMS AND SQUARE FOOTAGE.

CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT ONE.

THE OCCUPANCY LOAD. YOU SAID IT'S BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE.

IS IT ALSO LIKE IF YOU HAVE A LARGE HOME BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT? IS THAT IS THAT ALSO A STIPULATION OF OCCUPANCY LOAD DETERMINATION? SO LET'S JUST SO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, LET'S SAY THEY HAVE AN OCCUPANCY LOAD OF SEVEN, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES.

ARE YOU ASKING IF THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO THEN IT WOULDN'T BE SEVEN AS THE MAX OCCUPANCY BECAUSE THE PARKING DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT.

WELL, I THINK THEY HAVE THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY OFF STREET PARKING ONLY, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY DENSITY WITHIN THE HOME BASED ON NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AND SQUARE FOOTAGE. RIGHT? CORRECT. SO I THINK THAT ADDRESSES YOUR PARKING CONCERNS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE IF THEY THEY HAVE TO BE OFF STREET PARKING. RIGHT. YOU MIGHT HAVE FOUR MORE KIDS? YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEY COULD. THEY COULD BE IN ONE CAR, BUT HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SIX BEDROOM HUGE HOUSE.

THEY ARE IN ONE CAR. YEAH. THE PARKING WOULDN'T REALLY BE.

PARKING DOESN'T DICTATE IF YOU HAVE ONE BEDROOM AND IT'S A SQUARE.

FOOTAGE IS BIG OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LIKE IF THE ACCOMMODATION IS SOLELY BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY.

CORRECT? CORRECT. THEY ARE INDEPENDENT OF EACH. CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE FOR THAT MIGHT HELP US.

RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU GO TO SOME VACATION HOMES AND THERE'S BUNK BEDS IN EVERY SINGLE ROOM, RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO IF IT'S A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE, FOR INSTANCE 15 TO 1500 TO 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, WHAT WHAT WOULD STAFF DEEM AS OCCUPANCY? SO THE STAFF DON'T MAKE THE DETERMINATION BASED ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN A CHART THAT'S IN CHAPTER 96, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING CODE. AND IT REALLY IS JUST SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME ALLOWS A CERTAIN NUMBER BASED ON 1500 SQUARE FEET.

I'M GOING OFF OF MEMORY. IT'S ABOUT FOUR PEOPLE.

AND AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT, YOU MADE AN EXCELLENT POINT.

AND THAT IS IT'S IT'S THE IT'S THE STATE LAW EFFECTIVELY.

RIGHT. BASED ON OR CHAPTER WHATEVER CHAPTER THAT WAS CITY ORDINANCE, CITY ORDINANCE CHAPTER,

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SO ALL OF YOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES HAVE THE SAME OCCUPANCY RESTRICTIONS.

OKAY. SO IT'S THERE'S NO SUBJECTIVITY. STAFF DOESN'T GET TO SAY YES OR NO.

YOU KNOW, THEY THEY LOOK AT THE CHART AND THAT'S WHAT THEY CHOOSE. CORRECT. AND I GUESS TO THE POINT I BELIEVE MEREDITH WAS MAKING IS THAT THAT OCCUPANCY LOAD APPLIES TO ANY HOME IN CARROLLTON, NOT JUST SHORT TERM RENTALS. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY.

THUMBS UP. CONSENSUS. OKAY. I THINK YOU GOT THAT.

ONE CANNOT ADD BEDROOMS. THIS IS BACK TO KIND OF THE DEED OF THE HOME.

THE PLAT OF THE HOME IS HAS IS DESIGNED RIGHT.

YOU CAN'T ADD ADDITIONAL ROOMS OR SUBDIVIDE A DEN INTO FOUR ROOMS. EXACTLY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION THEN. THE INTENT OF THAT IS THAT IF A GARAGE HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN TURNED INTO A BEDROOM, THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE THE WORDING HERE IS CANNOT ADD.

SO IF IT ALREADY EXISTS, IT'S FINE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE IF IT EXISTS AND IS CURRENTLY REFLECTED IN THE COUNTY RECORDS, THEN WE HAVE ACCEPTED THAT. OKAY. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS THE CONVERSION OF OF NON BEDROOMS TO BEDROOMS, OR THE DIVISION OF THEM INTO ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS, ADDING A SECOND STORY ON A HUGE ENTRYWAY.

WELL, I LIKE THE DIVISION OF A BEDROOM IS PROBABLY A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

TO ADD MORE CAPACITY. YES. YES. OKAY. CONSENSUS, GUYS.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO NOISE CURFEW AND NO SOUND EQUIPMENT.

10 P.M. TO 7 A.M.. I THINK THAT'S BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. NO SPECIAL EVENTS? YEAH. WHAT'S THE.

WHAT'S AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE ROCK CONCERT WEDDING A LARGE BIRTHDAY GATHERING, SOMETHING THAT WOULD NORMALLY REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WITH THE CITY OF CARROLLTON.

SO, BUT BUT AGAIN, IT'S A BIRTHDAY PARTY. DOESN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT.

WE'LL SAY IF IT IF IT'S MEETS A NUMBER OF ATTENDEES THAT DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING. EXACTLY. THE BIRTHDAY PARTY WITH THE ROCK CONCERT AND FOOD TRUCKS WOULD BE A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF THE USE OF A SHORT TERM RENTAL, AND THAT'S THE WAY YOU GUYS WOULD CODIFY IT. I MEAN, IS IT IT'S KIND OF FUNNY, RIGHT? THIS IS ALL CURRENT. OKAY. THUMBS UP. CONSENSUS.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD. NEXT IS REQUIRE A SECOND TRASH BIN.

WE SAW THIS IN PLANO. LEWISVILLE. LEWISVILLE PAYS FOR THAT SECOND TRASH BIN.

THAT WOULD BE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATOR. YOU CAN GET A SECOND TRASH BIN TODAY.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS THAT WE HEAR AND THE TICKETS THAT ARE SHARED WITH US ARE CODE COMPLIANCE IS TRASH, RIGHT? AND IT'S OFTENTIMES TRASH BAGS JUST LITTERED ALONG THE CURB.

SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD ONE FOR LOUISVILLE TO TO MODEL OUT.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA WHEN I SAW IT. OKAY.

BOOKING WEBSITE DISCLAIMERS REQUIRING IT. RIGHT.

RIGHT. TELL ME AGAIN WHAT THAT MEANS. THE DISCLAIMER BEING THIS PROPERTY HAS A SHORT TERM RENTAL LICENSE WITH THE CITY OF CARROLLTON. AND ANY PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT HAVE ONE WITH THE CITY IS NOT VALID.

WE CAN OBVIOUSLY PHRASE THAT TO US. THE INTENT IS TO NOTIFY POTENTIAL BOOKING OR GUESTS THAT WHAT THEY'RE BOOKING IS LEGITIMATE AND ALLOWED BY THE CITY. BUT THAT'S NOT.

IS THAT A COMMON PRACTICE ON THOSE PLATFORMS? PLANO WAS THE THE BEST EXAMPLE OF IT LOCALLY.

THERE MAY BE SOME OTHERS OUT THERE, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE I FOUND.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE MAJORITY SAYS SO. I JUST CAN'T SEE THE VALUE IN THAT NECESSARILY, BECAUSE THAT'S A THAT'S A CONSUMER MAKING A DECISION AT POINT OF PURCHASE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HELPS US FOR BETTER OR WORSE OR DOESN'T.

I THINK IT WOULD IF I'M IF I'M BOOKING ONE AND I AND I SEE THAT THAT GIVES ME SOME LEVEL OF OF I WILL JUST OFFER THE I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD. FINISH. NO, PLEASE. I JUST OFFER THAT YOU ARE, WELL, MUCH MORE INFORMED ABOUT THIS THAN MOST CONSUMERS ARE FOR PROPERTY LIKE THAT.

AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE, THE NOTION IS, IS THAT A CONSUMER WHO'S, WHO'S BOOKING A AIRBNB OR ANY SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT SEES A WEBSITE DISCLAIMER THAT SAYS THAT THIS IS AN APPROVED PROPERTY? THERE'S A LEVEL OF THERE'S A STANDARD THAT THAT HAS PASSED VERSUS READING ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE OTHER ONE'S WRONG, BUT IT SURE CERTAINLY CREATES A STANDARD OF OF ACCEPTANCE.

MAYBE WHAT THE MAYBE THE INTERPRETATION OR THE EXPECTATION I SHOULD HAVE IS THAT IF I'M LOOKING AT PROPERTIES IN CARROLLTON AND THERE'S TWO OF THEM AND ONE OF THEM HAS THIS AND ONE OF THEM DOESN'T, THEN I GUESS I KNOW THAT ONE OF THEM'S LEGIT AND THE OTHER'S NOT.

MAYBE THAT'S THE VALUE TO THE CONSUMER. THAT'D BE A BIG ONE THAT THAT WOULD BE VALUES THAT TO OUR CITY.

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RIGHT. WHO'S GOING TO I JUST THINK IT'S ADDING A LOT OF EXTRA THE TOILET THEN FLUSH.

ARE WE RESPONSIBLE? NO. I THINK IT ADDS A LOT OF LIKE WHO'S GOING TO MONITOR AND AND DO THAT ON EVERY SINGLE STR THAT WE HAVE.

THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE STAFF REVIEW PROCESS AND WE COULD TAILOR IT VERY SPECIFICALLY TO ONLY JUST POST THEIR PERMIT NUMBER ONCE RECEIVED BY THE CITY.

BUT AGAIN, THAT THAT CAN BE STIPULATED. HOWEVER COUNCIL SEES APPROPRIATE.

WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE USING THAT AGAIN? THAT WAS PLANO.

THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE USING IT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.

POSTING THE PERMIT NUMBER IS ONE OF THE MORE COMMON ONES.

PLANO DOES IT PLANO. PLANO TOOK A LONG TIME TO EVALUATE THEIR POLICY AND A LOT OF DILIGENCE, JUST AS WE HAVE. RIGHT. SO I WOULD I WOULD TO ME THAT'S A THAT'S A CREDIBILITY FACTOR THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO EMBRACE.

I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THE AIRBNBS THAT I'VE STATED IN BARCELONA, PARIS, NEW YORK, SAN FRANCISCO ALSO HAVE THIS AS WELL.

SO I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO HAS APPROVED THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE AND IS REGISTERED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO SO MAYBE THAT'S A PRO TO THE CONSUMER THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS IS OFFICIAL AND IT'S NOT.

I WANT THESE OTHER, THESE OTHER, THESE SITES DON'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE THAT.

SO IF YOU GO AND YOU LOOK AT DIFFERENT UNITS WITHIN A PARTICULAR CITY AND YOU SEE SOME OF THEM ARE EITHER APPROVED BY THE CITY OR NOT APPROVED BY THE CITY, BOTH FROM A CONSUMER STANDPOINT AS WELL AS FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT, I THINK THERE'S VALUE ON BOTH ENDS OF THAT SCALE FOR THE CITY AS WELL.

SO IT MIGHT BE A QUICK QUERY AS WELL, DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT DISCLAIMER LANGUAGE IS.

WHEN YOU'RE SEARCHING AND YOU LOOK FOR ANOTHER FIELD AND YOU QUICKLY FIND THINGS, TEN HOMES THAT ARE LISTED IN CARROLLTON THAT DON'T HAVE IT, THEN IT BECOMES AN ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT TOO.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY FILTER BY THAT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU WANT ONLY OR INTERESTED IN LEGIT PROPERTIES IN A PARTICULAR AREA, THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY FILTER BY THAT ON THE DIFFERENT SITES.

THERE YOU GO. OKAY. SO DOES THIS CREATE ANY SORT OF LIABILITY FOR US AS A CITY, THOUGH.

QUESTION. GOOD QUESTION. DOES IT CREATE LIABILITY FOR US? NO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAYING YOU'VE APPROVED IT.

YOU'VE APPROVED A PERMIT AND THAT'S IT. I THINK IT'S MISLEADING.

BUT WHAT'S YOUR VOTING FOR IT. OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO SHAUN OWNER APPLICATION STATEMENT.

AND THIS IS SWEARING REGARDING THE HOA AND OTHER THINGS THAT EVERYTHING'S TRUE.

WE WILL STAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH CITY ORDINANCE.

BUT THE BIG ONE BEING THAT WE'VE CONTACTED THE HOA AND THERE IS NO DEED RESTRICTION.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE SAY I DIDN'T KNOW.

RIGHT? OR IGNORANCE. RIGHT? WELL, THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR THAT.

WE'RE ASKING FOR A SWORN STATEMENT. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME IN TO DO THE SEP THAT WE KNEW THEIR HOA PROHIBITED IT, BUT WE CAN'T WEIGH IN ON THAT. WE COULDN'T WEIGH IN ON THAT NOTIFICATION.

YEAH, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. THIS IS A GOOD ONE.

CONSENSUS. OKAY. LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT IT. NOISE AND VIDEO MONITORING EQUIPMENT.

SO IS THIS VIDEO MONITORING INSIDE OR OUTSIDE? YEAH. WHERE IS WHERE ARE THESE VIDEOS? BATHROOMS. THIS IS THE MOST COMMON EXAMPLES. WOULD BE SOME KIND OF A CAMERA COMING AND GOING FROM THE FRONT DOOR, LIKE A RING CAMERA. RING CAMERA COULD ALSO BE IN THE BACKYARD.

TYPICALLY THE NOISE MONITORING IS IN THE BACKYARD, SO THERE'S NO LOUD PARTIES.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT CITY MONITORING.

THIS WOULD BE SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATOR MONITORING THIS.

SO IS IT. SO IS IT STIPULATING THEN THAT THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO LET THE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL KNOW THAT THEY HAVE VIDEO EQUIPMENT? OR IS THIS SAYING THAT WE'RE MANDATING THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE VIDEO EQUIPMENT FOR THEIR FOR THEIR HOUSE.

IN A WAY, YES. SO FOR MANDATING THAT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO ALSO STIPULATE WHERE THE VIDEO CAMERAS NEED TO BE WHAT THE WHAT THE MONITORING EQUIPMENT WOULD NEED TO BE. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD ADD IS THAT IT CANNOT BE MONITORING AND RECORDING INTERIORS, OR IN ANY SPACE WHERE THE BATHROOM AND ANY MONITORING EQUIPMENT CANNOT.

WE WOULD PROBABLY STAY EXTERIOR MONITORING EQUIPMENT.

WE WOULD JUST SAY EXTERIOR STATING YOU HAVE A RING CAMERA, YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF THING.

YOU HAVE A SECURITY CAMERA. IF YOU RECALL SEVERAL OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT CAME THROUGH, THEY STIPULATED THAT THEY HAD EXTERIOR CAMERAS AND NOISE MONITORING ALREADY.

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CORRECT. AND THAT WOULD BE VERIFIED DURING THE ANNUAL INSPECTION.

I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION WITH THAT WOULD BE IF IF IT'S A FAMILY AND YOU GOT VIDEO OUTSIDE IN THE BACKYARD AND THEY GOT KIDS, RIGHT? I MEAN, TO ME THAT'S A PRIVACY ISSUE AND I DON'T KNOW.

BUT SO THERE AND THAT'S A FAIR POINT. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DECIBEL READING AND ACTUAL MICROPHONES.

ACTUALLY I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT VIDEO. OH, VIDEO.

OKAY. JUST A VIDEO. THE ASPECT OF I LIKE THE AUDIBLE, BUT I JUST KIND OF QUESTION THE VIDEO WHEN, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE VIDEO. WOULD IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF THE LANGUAGE WAS ON THE ON THE ENTRY POINTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE LIKE A RING DOORBELL, LIKE LIKE AARON WAS MENTIONING. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S FINE. RIGHT, OKAY. I MEAN, GARAGE OF THE MONITORING EQUIPMENT ALSO HAS BEEN USED, AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH SOME OF THE SEX TRAFFICKING, IS THAT THEY MONITOR IT TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T COMING AND GOING ALL THE TIME, WHERE YOU HAVE GUESTS COMING EVERY HOUR TO VISIT.

YEAH. MAYBE YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THERE COULD BE.

SO THEN ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO HAND OVER THE FOOTAGE? YES, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD. THAT'S THE NEXT ONE.

WELL, I KNOW, I KNOW, THAT'S WHERE IT STARTED, BUT WHERE IS IT GOING TO END? THAT'S A LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, RIGHT? THAT RIGHT. IF A CRIME HAS BEEN REPORTED AND AN INVESTIGATION IS HAPPENED, THE POLICE WILL MAY OR MAY NOT SUBPOENA THOSE RECORDS.

MOST PEOPLE THAT OWN THESE. THIS IS AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY FOR THEM.

SO THEY DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY RENT TO THAT.

BUT IF THEY HAVE NO CLUE, PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING ALL DAY.

YEAH. THIS CAMERA, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU MAY LEARN OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ALREADY KNOWN.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO US. THEY ALREADY TURNED IT OVER.

YES, I'M SEEING FOUR, I GOT FOUR. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE OCCUPANCY HISTORY REQUEST.

OCCUPANT HISTORY REQUEST. THIS IS KEEPING TRACK.

AND WHAT DOES THAT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT WOULD REQUIRE THE OPERATOR TO PROVIDE THE CITY WITH THE WAS THE CONTACT NAME AND CONTACT INFORMATION OF A GUEST.

IF THERE WAS AN INCIDENT THAT WAY, WE KNEW WHO TO CONTACT.

SO IT'S ONLY UPON. UPON REQUEST. UPON REQUEST.

RIGHT? RIGHT. UPON A LEGAL REQUEST. RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE'S PII INFORMATION CONCERNS AND ALL THAT, BUT SO LEGAL. THAT WOULD BE CAVEAT. IT WOULD BE LEGAL.

THE PLATFORMS DON'T DO THAT AUTOMATICALLY OR WE, WE ASKING THEM TO DO SOMETHING BEYOND WHAT THE PLATFORM DOES BECAUSE WE REQUIRE A PROFESSIONAL PLATFORM. RIGHT, IN ORDER TO DO THAT AS PART OF OUR ORDINANCE ALREADY.

SO YOU WOULD NEED TO SUBPOENA, IS IT NOT? SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, SO YOU'RE SAYING WE WOULD NEED TO SUBPOENA THE PLATFORM OPERATOR IF THERE WAS IF THERE WAS AN INCIDENT AT A PARTICULAR SER, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M JUST ASKING. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT. AND I'M GOING OFF OF MEMORY HERE, BUT I, I, I RECALL IN THE SCP PROCESS FOR SURE.

WE REQUIRED THEM TO BE REGISTERED IN AN AIRBNB WITH WITH ONE OF THE BIG PLATFORMS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THOSE, BUT AND AND SO THEREFORE I WOULD ASSUME AND I'M HAPPY TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT ASSUME MEANS THAT MAYBE THAT INFORMATION ISN'T THERE, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE THERE, THAT THAT PLATFORM WOULD HAVE THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO THAT'S ADDITIONAL OR BEYOND WHAT THE PLATFORM ITSELF MIGHT ALREADY BE BE ABLE TO PROVIDE.

WELL, THE THE PLATFORM IS GOING TO TRACK IT, RIGHT.

THE PLATFORM SOMEBODY RENTS IT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE PLATFORM. BUT I THINK WHAT THIS IS SUGGESTING IS, IS UPON REQUEST BY THE CITY, IF WE ASK FOR IT FOR A LEGAL REASON THAT THEY CAN GO TO THE PLATFORM AND PULL THEIR, THEIR RECORDS FOR AND PROVIDE IT TO THE CITY.

RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO IF CURRENTLY, IF THE CITY NEEDED THIS INFORMATION FOR SOME KIND OF AN INVESTIGATION, ONE, MOST OPERATORS ARE WILLING TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE GUEST OF THIS VIOLATION, NOT NECESSARILY THE OPERATOR TO THAT INFORMATION CAN BE OBTAINED THROUGH A WARRANT OR SUBPOENA IF NEEDED.

BUT REALLY, THIS WOULD JUST BE THE SIMPLE SUBMITTAL TO THE OPERATOR OF.

WE'RE AWARE OF AN INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED TWO WEEKS AGO.

WE NEED THE TENANT INFORMATION TO CONTACT FOR MORE INFORMATION.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SUBPOENA THAT. CORRECT. YEAH.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT. YEAH. SO, YEAH. TWO. THREE.

FOUR. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO NO RENTING TO PERSONS UNDER AGE 21.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALREADY A REQUIREMENT BASED ON WHAT COUNCILMEMBER JASON WAS SAYING.

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YEAH, YOU CAN JUST. CAN YOU AFFORD TO 25. OKAY.

YEAH. 25. A HOTEL ROOM, RIGHT? I MEAN, CAN YOU NOT RENT A HOTEL ROOM? NO, NO, I GUESS I'M OUT OF IT, THEN. YEAH, I'M SAYING I'M OLD.

RIGHT. THANK YOU. JASON. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT? OKAY. AND THEN MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS. DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS? WE DO NOT. THEY COULD RENT IT FOR ONE NIGHT UP TO 30.

SO ARE YOU ASKING. SO FIRST OFF, DO WE WANT MINIMUMS? AND THEN WHAT IS THAT NUMBER. CORRECT. OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION AND WHAT IS YOUR BENCHMARK. TELL YOU THAT THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE IF WE WANTED TO DO MINIMUM STAY I WOULDN'T MAKE IT EXCEEDINGLY LONG. THAT BEGINS TO IMPACT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATORS.

TWO DAYS IS A FAIR NUMBER. I WILL SAY, WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INCIDENTS REGARDING PARTIES THIS IS NOT GENERALLY THE COMMON ISSUES THAT BOTH US OR POLICE ARE, ARE DEALING WITH.

AND WE ARE. GO AHEAD. SORRY, I'M NOT A FAN OF THIS ONE.

WELL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTAL, RIGHT? AND AND ANYTHING ANYTHING UNDER 30 DAYS.

THEY PAY HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX ON ANYTHING OVER 30 DAYS.

THEY'RE TAX EXEMPT. CORRECT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.

WELL, THEN IT'S NO LONGER A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

IF IT'S OVER 30 DAYS, THAT'S. IS IT RENT BY THE HOUR.

IS IT RENT BY THE OVERNIGHT. IS IT RENT FOR THE WEEKEND? RIGHT, RIGHT. A WEEKEND IS THREE DAYS OR TWO DAYS.

SEEMS REASONABLE. RIGHT. AS OPPOSED TO GETTING A RENT BY THE HOUR SCENARIO OUT THERE.

THAT'S NOT. A RENT FOR ONE DAY. AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S ALREADY. IT'S LIKE SELF-POLICING. THESE STARS, A LOT OF THEM REQUIRE THREE DAYS.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. LIKE, I DON'T SUPPORT THAT ONE AT THIS TIME.

HOW CAN WE SUPPORT ONE DAY OR TWO DAYS? WELL, THAT'S AT MEREDITH'S POINT.

THERE'S NOTHING A MINIMUM OF. YOU CAN'T RENT IT MORE THAN ONCE PER DAY.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. TWO DAYS. TWO DAYS, THOUGH, IS YOUR BENCHMARK AND WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDS.

YEAH. IF IF WE WERE TO PURSUE IT, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND GOING BEYOND TWO DAYS.

BUT AS A MINIMUM BENCHMARK CITIES. HOW MANY HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT? MOST DID NOT. CITY OF DALLAS WAS THE ONE THAT I FOUND.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT. LET'S CALL FOR A CONSENSUS.

ANYONE. I'M NOT SAYING SO. THAT ONE'S STRICT.

OKAY. MOVING AWAY FROM RESTRICTIONS INTO NOTIFICATION PROCESS.

ALL RIGHT. THE CURRENT ONE BEING, WE'RE SENDING OUT THE NOTICES THAT THEY NEED TO REGISTER FOR 45 DAYS.

AGAIN, WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT SENDING NOTICES BECAUSE EVERYONE'S EITHER ALREADY APPLIED OR IT FALLS UNDER THE CHAPTER 100 TEMPORARY PROHIBITION.

SURE. ARE WE GOOD WITH 45 DAYS BEING THE QUESTION.

BUT HOWEVER, FAST FORWARD, AT SOME POINT OUR OUR PAUSE WILL EXPIRE.

RIGHT. AND THIS WOULD COME INTO PLAY THEN, RIGHT? CORRECT. FOR RENEWALS. OKAY. SO 45 DAY REGISTRATION.

YES. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOT CONSENSUS. STRS PROVIDE OPERATING NOTICE TO ADJACENT PROPERTY WITHIN 200FT.

THAT'S. THAT'S STATE LAW, RIGHT? THIS WOULD BE FOR BEYOND SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

JUST IF THEY WANT TO APPLY TO OPERATE AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

DO WE WANT TO REQUIRE THEM TO NOTIFY THEIR NEIGHBORS.

AND IF SO WHAT'S THE DISTANCE RADIUS THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO NOTIFY THAT THEY ARE.

WHAT'S THE RADIUS? YEAH. LET ME LET ME REPHRASE MY QUESTION THEN IS THIS IS 200FT THE CONSISTENT WITH OUR OUR CURRENT SGP PROCESS.

IT IS. OKAY. MIGHT AS WELL. SO I'M GOING TO JUMP AHEAD.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN I GUESS TWO. YEAH.

THE SECOND ONE IS FOR NEIGHBORS. BUT THE THIRD ONE IS FOR FOR THE LOCAL AGENTS.

SO NOTICE WOULD BE THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE WE'RE OPERATING.

AND HERE'S WHAT THE CONTACTS WERE NOT COMPLYING.

THEY GO KIND OF TOGETHER RATHER THAN START WITH THE CITY.

ONE IS DO WE WANT TO MAKE THEM DO IT? AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE IN THAT NOTIFICATION? OKAY. GOT IT. IT TAKES NOTIFICATION OFF OF THE CITY, BASICALLY.

HEY, I'M OPERATING NEXT DOOR TO YOU. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS, CALL THE CITY.

NO. CONTACT ME. CONTACT ME 24 HOURS. CONTACT.

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HERE'S MEREDITH'S NUMBER. GIVE HER A CALL. ALL RIGHT.

SO. SO THOSE TWO SEEM TO GO HAND IN HAND. CONSENSUS TO APPROVE BOTH OF THOSE.

YEAH. OKAY. IT MUST NOTIFY HOA. I THINK. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I MEAN, BUT IF BUT IF WE'RE RESTRICTING THEM, AREN'T THEY RESTRICTING HOA OR DO THEY HAVE TO APPROVE THE HOA MAY OR MAY NOT RESTRICT THEM. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOTIFYING THE HOA AND GETTING AN ANSWER THAT IT'S RESTRICTED.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS. SO I'M SORRY.

THESE ARE. THESE ARE STILL RESTRICTIONS THAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO APPLY.

LIKE WHY IS THIS THE NOTIFICATION? I GUESS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY THE HOA.

CORRECT. THESE ARE POTENTIAL WAYS TO LOOK AT HOW ARE WE NOTIFYING ANYONE OPERATORS? YES. DOES IT INCLUDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE CSRS? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. HOA OR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. VOLUNTEER AS WELL AS DEEDED.

RIGHT. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND WE EDIT THAT TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND HOA.

YEAH I THINK THAT'S CONSENSUS. OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON.

MANDATORY SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY CHECKS. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO ALL IS THERE.

YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING JUST THE PEOPLE THAT RENT IT.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY PEOPLE YOU'D BE ABLE TO CHECK. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CHECK THE PEOPLE? YEAH, THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO VET THEIR GUESTS. BUT THIS IS THIS IS THE RENTER DOING A SEX OFFENDER CHECK AGAINST WHOEVER'S RENTING THERE.

THAT'S RIGHT. CORRECT. NOT THE CITY. RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO RUN DOWN EVERYBODY WHO'S NECESSARILY VISITING THAT SHORT TERM RENTAL.

IT WOULD BE FOR THE OCCUPANT. MAYBE NOT THE GUEST OF THE OCCUPANT.

YEAH. THE RENTER. RIGHT. THAT'S PUBLIC RECORD.

YEAH. BUT I THINK PUBLIC I THINK WE SHOULD PUT THAT ON SEX OFFENDER, ON THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE PERSON RENTING. IT WAS.

WELL, AND THE NEXT ONE KIND OF GOES WITH IT. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO ALL THE GUESTS ARE? YOU KNOW, IS IT JUST. WELL, IF THEY'RE A CHILD THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GUESS.

THE ONLY ONLY THE RENTER OR IS THE GUEST. ANYONE.

THEY REQUIRE YOU TO LIST EVERY PERSON WHO'S GOING TO STAY AT THE HOUSE. AND EVEN CHILDREN.

YES. AND THAT'S DONE ON THE PLATFORM. PRESUMABLY IT'S DONE ON THE PLATFORM.

AND THEN THE OWNER IS REQUIRED TO DO A BACKGROUND CHECK.

AND THAT'S JUST THE LAW IN MOST EVERY CITY IN CALIFORNIA.

AND YOUR HONOR AND YOUR. WHAT SAY YOU, COUNCIL? I GOT ONE, TWO, THREE. WE WANT WE WANT TO DO IT FOR GUESTS AS WELL.

DO WE WANT TO LIST. IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS? YES. SO MANDATORY SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY FIRST THUMBS UP.

OKAY. SO WHERE IS THAT LISTED AT ON THE PLATFORM.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN LISTED THE SEX OFFENDER LIST? NO, THE THE OCCUPANCY. LIKE WHEN I BOOK ONE, IT'LL SAY WHO'S STAYING IN THIS HOUSE.

AND I SAY, YOU'RE REINHARDT, MICHAEL REINHARDT, BLAH BLAH, BLAH BLAH. LIKE, WHOEVER I GO THROUGH, EVERYONE THAT'S STAYING THERE. AND YOU HAVE TO LIST HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE STAYING. BUT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT, RIGHT? NO. RIGHT. BUT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO REQUEST IN THE EVENT OF A DEAL.

AND THEY HAVE TO TELL US. YEAH. AND WHAT THAT WILL HELP YOU WITH IS ANY PROPERTY THAT'S LISTED IN A CHILD SAFETY ZONE.

WOULD YOU, IF YOU FOUND OUT THAT THE OCCUPANT WAS THERE, WHO WAS ON THE RESIDENCY, THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY TAKE ACTION AGAINST THAT PERSON FOR VIOLATING YOUR ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT HAVE A SEX OFFENDER RESIDE IN A CHILD SAFETY ZONE.

OKAY, GUYS, IT'S ALL ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO MANDATORY ANTI-TRAFFICKING AWARENESS TRAINING.

IS THAT AN ONLINE TRAINING OR WHERE DO THEY GET THAT? I PRESUME SO, YES. OKAY. HOW DO THEY HOW DO THEY DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY'VE TAKEN THIS AWARENESS TRAINING? THERE WOULD TYPICALLY BE A CERTIFICATION. AND THIS IS FAIRLY STANDARDIZED ACROSS HOTELS PRESUMABLY HAVE SOMETHING.

THEY MAY I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT THEY SHOULD LET ME JUST SAY THAT THEY SHOULD.

IT TESTS. THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. ALL RIGHT, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ENFORCE THAT, BUT WHAT DO YOU SAY, COUNCIL? I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

OKAY. SUP REQUIREMENT IN CHAPTER 100, TEMPORARY PROHIBITION, I WOULD SAY APPROACH THESE SEPARATELY.

AND THE QUESTION BEING, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO REQUIRE THE SEP.

THEREBY PLANNING AND ZONING HEARINGS AND COUNCIL HEARINGS FOR EACH SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTY? SO DO WE WANT TO REQUIRE AN SEP. MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE IF WE SAY FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.

YES. IF WE'RE IF WE'RE AND I'M FORGIVE ME, I DON'T REMEMBER THE WORDING THAT YOU USED FOR EACH OF THEM.

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YOU CAN SAY, WE WANT TO PUT A HOLD ON THE CURRENT.

AND DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL THE NEW WHICH IS THE PROSPECTIVE STR PROHIBITION RATHER THAN HAVING AN SUP REQUIREMENT.

OKAY. SO WHEN YOU SAY PARDON ME WHEN YOU SAID WE SHOULD TAKE THESE INDIVIDUALLY, YOU DIDN'T MEAN THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM, YOU MEANT THESE TWO IN SEQUENCE. CORRECT. AND TO BE QUITE HONEST, THE CHAPTER 100 TEMPORARY PROHIBITION IS SIMILAR TO THE ONE FOLLOWING IT, BUT THAT ONE IS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT. GOT IT, GOT IT.

OKAY, SO WE'LL JUST SKIP DOWN TO THE PROSPECTIVE STR PROHIBITION FIRST.

THAT MEANS FUTURE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING BEFORE EVERYONE'S ALLOWED TO CONTINUE BASED ON.

BUT ALL OF THE THE NEW STIPULATIONS WE JUST HAD ON THE LAST SLIDE WOULD APPLY TO ALL ALL ALL OF THEM.

YES. OKAY. SO I WANT TO BE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I SEE THIS.

GUYS, WHAT DO WE SEE? ONE. TWO. THREE. FOUR. FIVE.

OKAY. SO SORRY. CAN WE GO BACK TO MANDATORY ANTI-TRAFFICKING TRAINING? SURE. CAN WE MAKE THAT AN ANNUAL REQUIREMENT? AND THEY CAN'T BE LIKE, WHAT? IS IT CERTIFIED TO OPERATE UNTIL THEY SHOW PROOF THAT THEY'VE COMMITTED? I LOVE THAT IDEA. ANNUAL ANNUAL REVIEW REVIEW.

THAT CAN BE REQUIRED. YES. AND THEY HAVE TO. AND THE PERMIT IS ANNUAL ANYWAY.

YOU HAVE TO RENEW THE PERMIT EVERY YEAR ANYWAY.

SO IT GOES. SO IN ORDER TO GET YOUR PERMIT WHEN YOU TRAVEL.

SO WE'LL JUST STIPULATE THAT AS ANNUAL. THAT'S A GREAT CALL OUT. DO YOU APPROVE THAT PROSPECTIVE STR PROHIBITION.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONSIDER ANYTHING ELSE BELOW BECAUSE THAT ENCOMPASSES ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE CONSIDER.

OKAY OKAY OKAY. GREAT. OKAY. SO BECAUSE COUNCIL APPROVED OR I SHOULD SAY IS VOTING IN FAVOR OF BRINGING BACK AN ORDINANCE THAT HAVEN'T VOTED YET, SLOW DOWN. CORRECT.

THAT IMPLIES THE PROSPECTIVE PROHIBITION. THE REST OF THESE ARE NOT GOING TO APPLY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO NEW LOCATIONS, OF WHICH WE WILL NOW NO LONGER HAVE ANY. SURE.

GOOD POINT. OKAY. SO COUNCIL WE WILL RECEIVE THIS WILL BE ON OUR AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

RIGHT? OR THE NEXT MEETING? DECEMBER 2ND. DECEMBER 2ND MEETING.

AND AND WE'LL REMIND YOU OF OUR WORK SESSION.

THAT WAS THE BASIS OF THE OF THE OF THE AGENDA ITEM ON THE SECOND.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY, VERY WELL DONE.

I KNOW THIS IS SUPER COMPLICATED. THANK YOU. THIS TOOK A TON OF WORK BY NOT ONLY YOURSELF, BUT ALSO LEGAL. AGAIN, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY HERE ON COUNCIL FOR COMING TOGETHER WITH US.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT ORDINANCE.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT. WE'RE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON GOING INTO THIS VOTE.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COREY. NUMBER FIVE.

PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE AND I-35E, FORMER NCPA SITE.

WE DO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE ON THIS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ROBERT MAYOR COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING. I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME. OKAY. WITH THE AUDIO VISUAL.

I WILL NOT KEEP YOU HERE VERY LATE, BUT I DO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS YEAR HAS BEEN A YEAR OF PLANNING AND SETTING THE STAGE.

AND SO THIS IS PART OF THAT WHOLE PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE DISTRICT 35, WHICH IS THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF GEORGE BUSH AND 35, WHICH WE REFER TO AS THE FORMER MTA SITE.

I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY GO THROUGH JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MAY RECALL THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS ABOUT 121 ACRES.

IT WAS PURCHASED. THIS PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED ON NOVEMBER 18TH IN 2020 DURING THE COVID YEAR AND WAS PURCHASED AS AS IS CONDITION.

THE CITY AT THAT TIME WAS A LITTLE BULLISH IN PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY AND HAD THE VISION FOR GENERATIONAL DEVELOPMENT.

WITH THAT THE TOD COMMITTEE INITIATED A DISCUSSION IN JANUARY OF 2023, AND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS PROPERTY. AND THE FIRST, FIRST IDEA WAS TO DETERMINE WHAT IS IT THAT THIS PROPERTY WILL YIELD IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT HOW MANY ACRES CAN BE TAKEN OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN? HOW MANY ACRES ARE AVAILABLE TO DEVELOP RIGHT AWAY? AND SO WE COMMISSIONED AN RFP AND BEGAN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ENGINEERING FIRMS. THIS RFP WAS RELEASED IN MARCH. I WON'T GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE CATEGORIES, BUT I WILL KIND OF HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS.

IN NOVEMBER 2024, THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED A BRIEFING FROM STAFF ON THE NEXT NEXT STEPS.

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WE BRIEFED THE COUNCIL ON WHAT WERE THE THREE SCENARIOS THAT WERE PRESENTED BY HAF, WHICH I WILL GO THROUGH HERE IN A MINUTE.

AND THEN IN LATE 2024, WHICH WAS A YEAR AGO WE DISCUSSED THE SCOPE OF SERVICES AND TALKED ABOUT RELEASING THE RFQ WITH, WITH WITH THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE. AT THAT TIME, THE MAYOR APPOINTED FOUR MEMBERS TO THIS COMMITTEE.

WE DEVELOPED THE RFQ IN JANUARY, PUBLISHED IT IN FEBRUARY, AND I WILL GO THROUGH ALL OF THE DETAILS IN THAT LATER.

WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY IS OCTOBER 28TH. AND I'M GOING TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH SOME OF THE WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS. SO GOING TO THE EARLY YEAR OF LAST YEAR, THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSED WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS PROPERTY. AND STAFF PRESENTED FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT.

I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OPTION BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE OPTION THAT WAS SELECTED BY THE COMMITTEE WAS A VALID OPTION.

OPTION ONE WAS TO JUST SELL THE PROPERTY IN ITS ENTIRETY.

AND AS HIS CONDITION, BASICALLY WE PURCHASE IT.

WE PUT A BILLBOARD OUT THERE, SELL IT TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER, AND OFF WE GO.

THIS HAS NOT BEEN OUR CURRENT MODEL. WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE BUY GENERATIONAL DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, WE WE POSITION IT FOR QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT HAS BEEN OPTION TWO WAS TO SELECT A MASTER DEVELOPER PARTNER, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE USED FOR TRINITY MILLS STATION AND CROSBY WHERE CAROL CREST IS AT, THAT WHICH WE REFER TO AS THE CROSBY INITIATIVE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PROS TO THIS, TO THIS. OPTION ONE WAS TO APPROPRIATELY MANAGE COUNCIL'S VISION FOR THIS SITE, GAUGE THE MARKET AS WELL AS CREATE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, AND THEN LOOK AT A HOLISTIC, SYSTEM WIDE APPROACH, RATHER THAN AN AD HOC APPROACH TO TREATING EACH DEVELOPMENT OR EACH SITE IN DIFFERENT ISOLATIONS.

THE CONS WOULD BE TO MANAGE THE AGREEMENTS AND FACILITATE AS AN EQUITY PARTNER, BUT WE BECOME CHAMPIONS AT THIS BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS MANY TIMES.

OPTION THREE WAS TO SEEK A DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT, WHICH IS WHAT SOMETIMES SOME CITIES DO.

THEY HIRE A CONSULTANT TO THE RFQ RFP PROCESS, BASICALLY SERVING THE ROLE OF A DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT.

AND THIS THIS WAS AN EXAMPLE THAT I USED. WE HAVEN'T USED IT, BUT IT WAS USED IN FARMERS BRANCH FOR THE MERCER CROSSING.

THE CONS ON THIS WERE MANY IT IS A PAY AS YOU GO SERVICE.

TOO MANY UNCERTAINTIES, VERY TIME CONSUMING, AND WE VERY HARD TO GAUGE WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT COULD OCCUR.

AND THEN OF COURSE LOSS OF MARKET OR RUNAWAY MARKETS BASED ON, BASED ON THE CONSULTANT'S GUIDANCE.

AND THEN OPTION FOUR WAS TO MANAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE IN-HOUSE.

WE DID THIS ONE TIME. I THINK IT WAS VERY TAXING.

WE DID THIS AT THE RAEFORD ROAD DEVELOPMENT. THE CITY PLAYED THE MASTER DEVELOPER ROLE.

THIS IS NOT OUR CORE FUNCTION. AND THE TOD COMMITTEE SELECTED OPTION TWO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPER.

BY DOING SO ONCE THE ENGINEERING STUDY CAME FORWARD THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS, WAS MORE, MORE TO DO WITH THE ENGINEERING PORTION OF BOUNDARY VERIFICATIONS, TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY, A VERY INTENSE STUDY THEY PROVIDED, WHICH IS HALF AN ASSOCIATES PROVIDED THE OPTIONS FOR RECLAMATION, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE THREE OPTIONS REAL QUICKLY.

THE SMALLEST RECLAMATION WAS ABOUT 28 ACRES FOR DEVELOPMENT OUT OF THE 121 ACRES SELF-CONTAINED VALLEY STORAGE ON SITE.

THAT MEANS THERE WOULD BE NO OFF SITE REQUIREMENTS.

THERE WOULD BE NO FRONTAGE OFF OF IS 35 AND NO WETLAND IMPACTS WITH THIS SCENARIO.

SO BASICALLY IN SUMMARY, OPTION ONE WAS SELF-CONTAINED SCENARIO WHERE ALL THE VALLEY STORAGE WOULD BE ON SITE.

NOTHING WOULD BE OFF SITE. OPTION TWO, WHICH WAS THE MIDPOINT LARGE SCALE RECLAMATION, ABOUT 54 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD BE PULLED OUT. ALL AREAS IN GREEN AND PURPLE WOULD BE PART OF THE RECLAMATION.

THERE WOULD BE NO ON SITE VALLEY STORAGE. EVERYTHING WOULD BE OFF SITE.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD WE WOULD GAIN THE IS 35 FRONTAGE AND ABOUT 0.5 ACRES OF IMPACT ON WETLANDS.

AND THEN OPTION THREE WAS TO LOOK AT THE LARGEST SCENARIO.

WITH THIS SCENARIO, WE COULD DO A LARGE SCALE RECLAMATION OF ABOUT 100 ACRES OUT OF THE 121 ACRES.

THERE WOULD BE NO ON SITE VALUE STORAGE. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO ALL THE DETAILS OF HOW THAT WORKS,

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IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE I-35 FRONTAGE ROAD, AND THERE WOULD BE ABOUT 25 ACRES OF WETLANDS.

WHEN COUNCIL STARTED LOOKING OR WHEN THE TODD COMMITTEE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS SITE WE WE KNEW THAT THE STUDY, THE ENGINEERING STUDY WOULD TAKE A VERY LONG TIME. AND SO WE WANTED TO POSITION THE TODD COMMITTEE AS TO WHAT DO WE SEE ON THIS SITE.

WHAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR? I'LL GET INTO THAT REAL QUICKLY. SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THE TODD COMMITTEE LAID OUT THE STAFF WAS TO CREATE A SUSTAINABLE AND VIBRANT DESTINATION DISTRICT.

I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE TOP GOALS TO PROMOTE A HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.

OBVIOUSLY WE WE WE DON'T WANT TO JUST PUT, YOU KNOW SHOE BOX DEVELOPMENT IN THERE.

THEY WANTED TO ENHANCE THE VALUE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH IS BASICALLY TAKING IT FROM THE VALUE THAT WE PAID TO A MUCH HIGHER VALUE, AND THEN LOOK AT COORDINATED, PLANNED LAND USES, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST HAPHAZARD, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY COORDINATED.

AND IN TURN, THEY ENDED UP HERE, WHICH WAS A VARIETY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ONE OF A KIND ENTERTAINMENT VENUE, CLASS A, CLASS A FULL SERVICE HOTEL, CONFERENCE CENTER, RETAIL USES, AND SOME AND SOME HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND OR OFFICE THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED. HOW? WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THE THE THE IDEA THERE WAS OR THE NARRATIVE THERE WAS TO NOT COMPETE WITH TRINITY MILLS STATION AND TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT IS VACANT CURRENTLY IN THE MARKET IN THE CARROLLTON MARKET.

AND THAT WAS ENTERTAINMENT. SO WE SUBMITTED AN RFQ, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.

WE RECEIVED THREE SUBMISSIONS. ONE WAS FROM ALPINE X, THE OTHER ONE WAS FROM INTEGRAL URBAN, WHO IS OUR MASTER DEVELOPER CURRENTLY ON THE TRINITY MILL STATION SITE AND MMR REALTY.

I WON'T GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE EVALUATION CRITERIA, BUT STAFF DID EVALUATE EACH ONE OF THESE AND THEN SUBMITTED THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS TO THE TOD COMMITTEE. WE OFFERED FOUR OPTIONS. OPTION ONE WANTS TO INTERVIEW WAS TO INTERVIEW ALPINE, ACCESS THE TOP SUBMISSION AND THEN OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT ALPINE ACCESS AND INTEGRAL AND OR LOOK AT ALL THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

AND IF THERE WAS NOT SATISFACTION, WE COULD GO BACK OUT FOR ANOTHER RFQ AND START THE PROCESS AGAIN.

STAFF RECOMMENDED OPTION ONE, WHICH WAS TO INTERVIEW ALPINE X WHICH IS WHERE THE COMMITTEE LANDED.

ALPINE X WAS INTERVIEWED AND BASED BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE IN MODERN STREAMLINED ESTHETICS WITH VERY VERTICAL, DENSE, HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE IN A VARIETY OF DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ONE OF A KIND ENTERTAINMENT VENUES WITH HOTEL, CONFERENCE CENTER AND RETAIL USES. AND THEN, OF COURSE SOMEONE WHO DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE AS WELL. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMITTEE FOCUSED ON WAS ALSO SOME OF THE NEGATIVE SPACE THAT IS PRESENT AT THE NCTA SITE OR THE DISTRICT 35 EAST SIDE. OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS TO BE AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE OR SOMEONE OUT THERE THAT LOOKS FOR WOODED AREAS, AREAS WITH, WITH, WITH WATER TO USE AS AN AMENITY IN ALPINE X FIT THAT BILL.

SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, WE STARTED LOOKING AT PUTTING THE RFP, WHICH IS THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, AGAIN, A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS, BUT WE DID WANT TO PRESENT THE SCOPE OF SERVICES TO THE COMMITTEE, AND THE FOLLOWING WERE AS SUCH. NUMBER ONE, WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE STRATEGIC PLANNING DOCUMENTS.

I WON'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST, BUT WE LAID OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY CITY'S TOD COMMITTEE WANTED OUT OF THIS RFP PROJECT.

CONCEPT AND PLAN. ONE OF THE MAIN AREAS OF FOCUS IS FLOOD FLOODPLAIN AND VALLEY STORAGE MITIGATION.

I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THIS SITE IS HOW DO YOU PULL OUT THE BEST ACREAGE OUT OF THE SITE, AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE REGULATIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH WITH THE CORPS? AND AT SOME POINT, WHAT WILL BE THE COST OF DOING ALL OF THAT? WE WANTED TO DETERMINE THAT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE FINANCIAL PROPOSAL, PROJECT SCHEDULE AND FINANCIAL QUALIFICATIONS AND STATEMENTS, AND THEN THE MASTER DEVELOPER DEVELOP RESPONSIBILITIES. ALL OF THOSE WERE LAID OUT IN AN RFP THAT WAS PUBLISHED AUGUST 1ST OF 2025.

AND THAT HAS BEEN SENT TO ALPINE. SO MOVING FORWARD, WE ARE HOPING THAT WE GET A FULL AND ROBUST RFP SOMETIMES IN THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER. WE WILL THEN BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE COMMITTEE, AFTER WHICH, AFTER THE EVALUATIONS ARE DONE, WE WILL THEN PRESENT IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND HOPEFULLY MOVE THE PROCESS ONWARDS SOMETIME AROUND JANUARY,

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SO I WILL STOP THERE MAYOR AND SEE IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT THIS HAS BEEN A LOT OF WORK AS AS YOU SEE FROM 2023 ONWARDS, FROM JANUARY ONWARDS TO THIS YEAR, IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK BY THE COMMITTEE AND THE MAYOR.

SO I'LL STOP HERE AND SEE IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS.

SO I WOULD AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE ALL STAFF'S WORK ON THIS.

THIS IS A YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT'S KEY ABOUT THIS SPACE THAT ROBBIE TOUCHED ON, AND I'LL JUST ECHO IT, IS TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER GOES HERE IS RESPECTFUL OF WHAT'S THERE TODAY.

RIGHT. RESPECTFUL. RESPECTFUL OF THE RECLAMATION, WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO RECLAIM IN ALL SPECTRUMS, BUT ALSO IS COMPLIMENTARY TO TRAIN STATION. THE COMPLIMENTARY FACTOR IS WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO BE COMPETITIVE.

WE WANT IT TO BE COMPLIMENTARY AND BUILD ON WHAT WE ANTICIPATE OUR CATALYST PROJECT AT TRINITY MILLS TO CONTINUE TO FLESH OUT THE REGION.

I THINK YOU HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH, I REMEMBER SO FROM THANK YOU, ROBBIE.

THIS IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD. REMEMBER FROM TODD, WASN'T THERE AN ENVIRONMENTAL.

AND THAT PROBABLY IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING IN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY THE SPOTTED OWL OR THE EGRET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FROM THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. THAT'S PART OF I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS RECLAMATION OR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, BUT WHAT THAT RESEARCH IS ACCOUNTED FOR. CORRECT? YES, THAT IS ACCOUNTED FOR. SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK IN HERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT FLOODPLAIN MEASURES AND CONSIDER THE CONSIDERATION OF WETLANDS, WHICH IS, I THINK, WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO. ENVIRONMENTAL. THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. SO THAT'S PLANT. CORRECT? BIRD. CORRECT. EVERYTHING. YES, SIR. MUSCLES.

GOTCHA. THANK YOU. COUNCIL ANY. WHO WAS ON THE COMMITTEE? YEAH. IT'S IT'S ANDREW. NANCY, MYSELF. NO, NO.

ANDREW. ROWENA. AND. OKAY. MAYOR WITH THAT, I'LL WHEN ARE THE RFP IS GOING TO BE RECEIVED? I THINK IT'S THE DATES KIND OF FLOATED BACK AND FORTH, SO IT'S NOVEMBER 21ST, SO MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER, CAN YOU JUST GO BACK TO YOUR CALENDAR? AND WE'RE ONLY GETTING ONE RFP. YES. BASED ON THE QUALIFICATION, THE RFQ, THERE'S REALLY ONE QUALIFIED TO BID.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, BASED ON THE RESPONSE, WE CAN CHOOSE TO REJECT IT AND THEN GO BACK OUT OR GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN IF I IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AGAIN, THE RFQ GOES OUT TO EVERYBODY OR IT'S PUBLIC.

SO ANYBODY, ANY DEVELOPER OR ANYONE WANTS TO ANSWER THE RFQ, THEY HAVE THAT ABILITY.

BUT THERE WERE ONLY THREE THAT ANSWERED THE RFQ THAT ACTUALLY QUALIFIED TO MOVE TO THE NEXT PHASE OF OUR CORRECT TO MOVE TO THE NEXT PHASE.

OKAY. IS THERE A TARGET FOR WHICH OF THE OPTIONS FOR THE OPTION ONE? OPTION TWO OR OPTION THREE FOR THE SCENARIOS OF THE DEVELOPMENT SIZE? IS THERE A TARGET IN THE RFP OF WHAT YOU'RE AIMING FOR? WE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET TO OPTION TWO, WHICH WOULD BE THE 50 PLUS ACRES.

THAT WOULD BE THE OPTION. THE FIRST OPTION COULD BE RELATIVELY EASY, BUT WE WANT TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET EVEN MORE THAN 50 ACRES.

SO BASED ON WHAT THE DEVELOPER COMES BACK WITH THEIR RFP, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GAUGE WHAT WHAT WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST.

BUT OUR GOAL AS STAFF AND AS A COMMITTEE WAS TO PUSH FOR OPTION.

OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD WANT OPTION THREE TO GET ALL 100 ACRES, BUT WE'LL SETTLE WITH SOMETHING.

OVER 5000 ACRES WOULD REQUIRE A LOT OF VALLEY STORAGE CONSIDERATIONS UPSTREAM AND SO FORTH.

RIGHT. RAVI MENTIONED THE NEGATIVE SPACE. THAT'S SOMETHING THE DEVELOPER WOULD LOOK AT, IS UTILIZING SOME OF THE SPACE WITHOUT HAVING TO BRING IT OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. CORRECT? YEAH. WHAT IS THE STRIP RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE NORTH ELECTRIC UTILITY.

IT'S THE TRANSMISSION LINE. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES. SO OPTION TWO, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE 50% UTILIZATION? DOES THAT ALSO ACCOUNT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS SPACE? BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT IF WE CAN'T ACCESS IT.

SO I THINK YOU MENTIONED ON OPTION TWO THAT THE FRONTAGE ROADS, THE FRONTAGE ROAD WON'T BE INCLUDED IN THAT.

SO I'LL GO BACK THROUGH THAT. SO OPTION TWO AND LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR ON THAT.

COUNCIL. OPTION TWO WAS MID-POINT BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY STUDY THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY HALF TO US.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT FULL STUDY HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED AS OF YET, SO WE'RE WAITING ON HAVE TO COMPLETE THAT STUDY.

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WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THAT TOGETHER. SO PART OF THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WOULD INCLUDE THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE UTILITIES WOULD INCLUDE THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO FORTH.

SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT FINAL PACKAGE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THEM.

WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE ENTIRE FINAL STUDY AS OF YET.

WE'VE ONLY RECEIVED DRAFTS. SO WHAT I'VE DONE HERE IS TO SORT OF GIVE YOU JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT THAT ENTAILS WAS THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

OPTION ONE IS 25 ACRES. I'LL JUST QUICKLY GO THROUGH THAT 28 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS.

IT WILL BE SELF-CONTAINED, MEANING YOU DO NOT NEED TO REQUIRE OFFSITE VALLEY STORAGE.

BUT WITH THIS SCENARIO YOU WOULD LOSE ALL FRONTAGE ON 35.

THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FRONTAGE ON 35 BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE THE PONDS UP THERE.

AND THEN OF COURSE THERE WOULD BE NO WETLAND. SO IN OPTION ONE, THE GREENS, NOT PART OF IT, THE DRAINAGE WOULD BE PART OF IT. THE GREEN, GREEN, GREEN.

YEAH, YEAH. AND THE GREEN SPOTS ARE WHAT ARE THEY.

VALLEY STORAGE. VALUE. STORAGE. OH, OKAY. YEAH.

AND THEN? AND THEN OPTION TWO OBVIOUSLY GOING WITH OPTION TWO WOULD BE A LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT WITH 54 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT ON ALL ACRES IN GREEN AND PURPLE. OH, SO I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, THEN.

I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION. SO THE GREEN REPRESENTS VALLEY STORAGE.

WE WOULD BE ADDING TO THIS PROPERTY. THE PINKISH PURPLE COLOR REPRESENTS THE DEVELOPABLE, DEVELOPABLE LAND.

YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT. AND THE DARK PURPLE IS WHAT YOU'RE INDICATING IS IMPACTED WETLANDS.

CORRECT. WE PROBABLY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR SOMEWHERE ELSE, I WOULD IMAGINE.

WELL, I'M KIND OF CONFUSED AGAIN. SO LARGE SCALE RECLAMATION IS ALL AREAS IN GREEN.

SO THAT'S RECLAIMED. WELL WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME RECLAMATION AROUND THAT AREA, BUT IT'S NOT RECLAIMED TO BUILD ON.

CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT. YEAH. AGAIN WE'RE WE'RE WAITING FOR HAVE TO SUBMIT THE FINAL STUDY.

ONCE WE GET THAT, WE'LL SUBMIT THAT BACK TO OUR RFP RESPONDENT AND HOPEFULLY THAT ONCE WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THAT, WE GO BACK. EXCUSE ME, I'LL GO BACK TO MY PREVIOUS SLIDE.

WE COME BACK OVER HERE AND WE BEGIN OUR PROCESS TO REVIEW THAT RFP IN, AGAIN, COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED BACK TO US.

IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG DRAWN PROCESS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO WORK HAND IN GLOVE WITH THE DEVELOPER.

I WILL SAY THIS MUCH. THIS IS BY FAR ONE OF THE ONLY SITES IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA THAT IS SO UNIQUELY LOCATED.

NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, IF YOU TOOK THE DALLAS FORT WORTH MAP AND YOU POINTED AT DEAD CENTER, I MEAN, I'M STARTING WITH NORTH TEXAS ALL THE WAY TO DOWN DOWN NEAR FORT WORTH IN THOSE AREAS THERE THAT ARE ALSO BOOMING.

BUT IF YOU TOOK THE DEAD CENTER OF THE DFW AREA, THE LARGER DFW AREA, YOU'D BE POINTING AT THIS SIDE IN HERE.

AND WE'VE HAD TWO OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES THAT HAVE COME FORWARD AFTER THE RFP RFQ PROCESS STARTED THAT HAVE SHOWN SOME INTEREST IN THIS SITE.

SO I THINK STARTING THIS PROCESS IN 2023 AND HAVING GONE THROUGH THIS WORK, I THINK THE PAYOFFS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WILL PAY DIVIDENDS IN THE FUTURE. WELL IT'S EXCITING.

I WAS SURPRISED THAT ONLY THREE PEOPLE RESPONDED BECAUSE I AGREE, IT'S A FASCINATING LOCATION FOR THE METROPLEX.

SO I HOLD GREAT HOPE THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING HERE.

YEAH, TYPICALLY I CAN JUST QUICKLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I THINK THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT IS A LOT OF THE DEVELOPERS IN TODAY'S MARKET ARE LOOKING FOR SITES THAT ARE UNENCUMBERED, MEANING THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN IT.

I THINK THE TOD COMMITTEE AND THE MAYOR'S VISION WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THEY WANTED SOMETHING ENTERTAINMENT. WE STARTED LOOKING AT NEGATIVE SPACE, THINKING, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMEBODY OUT THERE THAT WANTS SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT IS NOT QUITE AVAILABLE IN THE DFW AREA TODAY.

CAN YOU TELL US WHERE ON THE MAP? I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OUTDATED.

WHERE HYUNDAI, THE HYUNDAI PROPERTY SITS. SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE SOUTH OF HERE.

IT'S NOT THERE. NO, NO, IT WOULD BE WAY SOUTH OF HERE.

IT WOULD BE AT LUNA IN 35. YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY.

SO IT'S. YES, MA'AM. PARK. ALRIGHT. SO IN THIS PROCESS, WHAT STUCK OUT ABOUT ALPINE? ALPINE? AND WHAT SEPARATED THEM FROM THE REST OF THE FIELD? OKAY, I CAN GO THROUGH THAT. THE THREE. IF I CAN JUST KIND OF FIND THE THREE SO I CAN WALK THROUGH YOU ON THOSE.

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BUT WE FELT LIKE WE WOULD BE TAKING AWAY INTEGRAL'S FOCUS ON TREADMILL STATION.

PATIENT RATHER THAN TRYING TO FOCUS ON TWO DIFFERENT AREAS AT THE SAME TIME.

SO THAT WAS THE GIST. AND I WOULD WELCOME ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE.

MAYOR AS WELL AS YOU. BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONSENSUS WAS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT INTEGRAL TO BE DEFOCUSED OFF OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING WITH TRINITY MILL STATION.

WE ALSO FELT THAT ALPINE X WAS USING A LOT MORE OF THE NEGATIVE SPACE, MEANING THEY WERE UTILIZING THAT TO THEIR BENEFIT.

M.M. REALTY DID NOT REALLY HAVE A PROPOSAL. THEY DIDN'T SHOW ANY PLANS.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY SUBMITTALS TO IT. BUT OUT OF THE THREE ALPINE X HAD A, HAD A VERY STRONG PARTNERSHIP PARTNERSHIP PORTFOLIO, IF YOU WILL.

THEY ARE I THINK THE CEO WAS FROM GREAT WOLF LODGE.

I THINK THE CEO OR THE CFO WAS FROM GREAT WOLF LODGE.

ALSO, LOTS OF EXPERIENCE ON THAT TEAM. I THINK THAT THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, THEY HAVE DONE, THIS TYPE OF PROJECT THEY HAVE DONE IN DUBAI.

YEAH. I WAS GOING TO SAY GLOBAL IN NATURE AS WELL.

YEAH. THEY HAVE AN EXISTING PROPERTY THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE SIMILAR BUT MORE AMBITIOUS.

THEY BUILT THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT IN DUBAI WHICH IT'S HOT HERE, BUT IT'S REALLY HOT IN DUBAI.

SO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF AND SUCCESSFULLY AND BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT, THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS TYPE OF SPACE, YOU KNOW. GREAT WORK. GREAT WOLF LODGE. AGAIN, THAT PEDIGREE.

RIGHT. NOT TO SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS WILL BE IS A STAMP OF CREDIBILITY.

RIGHT. PROVEN IN THE REGION HERE CONTINUES TO BE SUSTAINABLE RELATIVE TO ITS SUCCESS RATE.

AND I THINK THAT WAS JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, A COMPELLING PIECE OF WHY I LINK TO ALPINE NEXT.

I WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FINANCIAL ABILITY OF INTEGRAL TO HANDLE BOTH MAJOR PROJECTS PROJECTS, BUT ALPINE SEEMS TO HAVE THAT STABILITY THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY CONTINUE THE PROJECT IN THE END.

I SEE. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. THAT'S IT.

MAYOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL, THE CALENDAR IS NOVEMBER.

WE SHOULD BE RECEIVING RFP AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AT THAT TIME.

COUNCIL? THAT'S THE REST OF OUR AGENDA. COVER THE MINI RETREAT.

SO WE WILL SEND THAT OUT ON THE CALENDAR. Y'ALL, AS YOU PERUSE TML.

HAVE A GREAT TIME. IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD EVENT BACK FULL OF NEW KNOWLEDGE.

AND I'M SURE STAFF WILL ENJOY HEARING SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE NEW IDEAS THAT THEY HAVE.

SO WE WILL STAND ADJOURNED AT 935. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.