Dec 04, 2025 Planning & Zoning Commission

[CALL TO ORDER]

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THE CITY COUNCIL IF THE APPLICANT MAKES A WRITTEN REQUEST IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY ORDINANCE. THE COMMISSION CONDUCTS ITS BUSINESS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE OPENS MEETINGS ACT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS RESTRICTED FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

APPROVAL OF A SUBDIVISION PLAT OR REPLAT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW IF THE PLAT MEETS ALL APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF STATE LAW AND THE CITY OF CARROLLTON'S ORDINANCES. A PLAT IS DEEMED APPROVED BY OPERATION OF LAW IF NO ACTION TO APPROVE OR DENY A PLAT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TAKEN WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER A PLAT MEETING ALL REQUIREMENTS IS FILED.

THE PUBLIC MAY COMMENT ON ALL ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. IF YOU WISH TO COMMENT ON ANY AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE COMPLETE AN APPEARANCE CARD IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO, AND THEY ARE LOCATED ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE TO CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS IN THE BACK OF THIS ROOM.

THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TURN AROUND HEADING "PUBLIC HEARING" WILL BE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY, BEGINNING WITH THE CASE PRESENTATION. AFTER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION OF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, THE COMMISSION WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INDIVIDUALS TO SPEAK ON THE CASE. WHEN IT IS YOUR TIME TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND MAKE YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION.

WHEN EVERYONE HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THE APPLICANT WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A BRIEF CLOSING COMMENT. AT THAT TIME, THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY ON THAT ITEM. THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTIONS OF THE CASES CONSIDERED TONIGHT AREARE INTENDED TO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE HEARD BY THE COMMISSION. IT IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY OR ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.

AFTER THE CASE PRESENTATIONS ANDAND PUBLIC TESTIMONY PERIOD IS COMPLETED, THE COMMISSION WILL CONDUCT ANY DISCUSSION AND ACTION AS APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

>> FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE THREE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE NOVEMBER 6 MEETING MINUTES.

IN CASE NUMBER PLTSP-2025-174, CARROLLTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND CASE NUMBER PLRP 2025-178, TRINITY MILLS PROFESSIONAL PARK, PHASE TWO, BLOCK ONE, LOS 1-A. IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WITH COMMENTS FOR THESE THREE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT, YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND MAKE YOUR COMMENTS NOW.

ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT OR WISH TO MAKE A MOTION? YES, IMMIGRATION?

>> COMMISSIONER?

>> WILL MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 1, 2,

3. >> AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2, THAT IS WITH STIPULATIONS?

>> YES.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. YES,

COMMISSIONER FOSTER. >> I SECOND THAT MOTION.

>> SO, THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER OVERHOLT AND SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR FOSTER TO APPROVE THE THREE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT.

IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION BY COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE? IF NOT, THEN LET'S START A VOTE.

THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >> THANK YOU.

[PUBLIC HEARING]

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THIS IS AMENDING OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ACCORDINGLY.

OF THAT'S CASE NUMBER PLZ-2025-180.

FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH AND THEIR CASE COORDINATOR TONIGHT IS MS. EMILY AFFER.

>> CAN'T HEAR YOU.

>> I THINK IT'S WORKING NOW. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. EMILY OFFER, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF CARROLLTON, JUST NORTH OF HEBRON PARKWAY. THE ZONING IS PD- 215 FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

A ZERO- FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK IS BEING REQUESTED SO THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY SUBDIVIDE AND SELL A PORTION OF THE LOT. IN ORDER TO DO THIS, A ZERO SIDE YARD SETBACK IS NECESSARY BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS AND ALONG THE PROPOSED PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN TRACTS ONE AND TWO.

SO, JUST BETWEEN THESE TWO BUILDINGS HERE.

THERE IS CURRENTLY TWO BREEZEWAYS THAT CONNECT THESE TWO BUILDINGS. ACCORDING TO IBC INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, THOSE ARE STILL TECHNICALLY A PART OF THE BUILDING, AND BECAUSE IT WILL HIT THE PROPERTY LINE, THEY NEED THAT ZERO SIDE YARD SETBACK.

THE STRUCTURES INCLUDED IN THE SITE PLAN WERE PASSED AND APPROVED AND THUS ARE PERMITTED BY THE EXISTING EXISTINGPD. THERE'S NOT A PROPOSAL TO MODIFY ANY STRUCTURE ON THE SITE PLAN.

THE SUBJECT CASE SHALL BE IN GENERAL CONFER ORMANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN, MEANING CURRENT AND FUTURE OWNERS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO BUILD ANY STRUCTURE THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE SITE PLAN WITHOUT REQUESTING ANOTHER PD AMENDMENT AT A FUTURE DATE.

I WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT THE STRUCTURES OR BUILDINGS, THE SPORTS FIELD AND LIGHTING, THE LANDSCAPING, THE DRAINAGE, TRAFFIC AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS ARE PERMITTED, AND ARE NOT TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN MAKING YOUR RECOMMENDATION TODAY. THE COMMISSION IS MEANT TO DETERMINE WHETHERWHETHER ZERO SIDE YARD SETBACK AT THE LOCATION DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY AND IN THE STAFF REPORT IS APPROPRIATE ONLY.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS?

>> COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? NO? THANK YOU, MS. OFFER. IF THE APPLICANTS HERE TONIGHT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND DO SO AT THIS TIME.

IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD FOR THE

RECORD. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

111 CONGRESS AVENUE, AUSTIN, TEXAS.

I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

WE ALSO HAVE DON MCCRACKEN HERE FROM THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE CHURCH, AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD TO WHAT EMILY PRESENTED.

WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THIS AMENDMENT.

IT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO SEPARATE THE TWO PROPERTIES, AND WE HOPEFULLY WILL NOT CAUSE ANY FUSS OR ANY PROBLEMS. SO, WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

>> COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? NO? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> I DID WANT TO STATE THAT I DID GET ONE PUBLIC COMMENT CARD.

IT'S IN OPPOSITION. THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, AND THEIR NAME IS -- FORGIVE ME IF I SAY THE LAST NAME WRONG, BUT AUSTIN DINSON. SO, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD, MAKE COMMENTS OR THEIR OPINION KNOWN AT THIS TIME, YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND DO SO.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> IAN MCPHERSON, CARROLLTON. I'M IN OPPOSITION TO THE CURRENT PLAN OF THE EXPANSION.

OF THE ISLAMIC CENTER AND ALL OF THEIR

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>> I'M SORRY, I WASN'T --

>> IS THAT NOT WHAT THIS HEARING IS ABOUT?

>> NO, NO, NO. THIS IS FOR THE FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH AGENDA ITEM.

>> I BEG YOUR PARDON. >> I APOLOGIZE.

I DID NOT CATCH THAT.

AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD THR THIS CASE, ITEM NUMBER 4, WHICH IS THE FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, MAY COME FORWARD AND DO SO AT THIS TIME.

DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY FINAL QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION CONSIDERING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND VOTE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER PLZ 2025-180, FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOSTER. YES, COMMISSIONER PENDLETON.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PENDLETON.

THE MOTION WAS MADE BY FIRST VICE CHAIR FOSTER AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PENDLETON ON CASE NUMBER PLZ 2025-180, FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH TO APPROVE THIS AGENDA ITEM WITH STIPULATIONS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION BY THE COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE? LET'S MOVE TO A VOTE.

>> THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, SO THIS CASE WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 6TH, 2026.

SO, THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA÷÷ ITEM IS NUMBER 5, WHICH IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING ON AN APPROXIMATELY 17.2-ACRE TRACT ZONE, LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT AND LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PARKER ROAD AND JOSEY LANE TO ESTABLISH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO REPEAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT SUP-416, ORDINANCE 3634, ALLOWING A GAS STATION, TO ALLOW A GASOLINE STATION, CAR WASH, RETAIL STORE IN EXCESS OF 75,000 SQUARE FEET, AND TO ALLOW PARKING AS A PRIMARY USE ON A SEPARATE LOT AND ACCESSORY TO THE RETAIL STORE IN EXCESS OF 75,000 SQUARE FEET, TO ALLOW OUTSIDE DISPLAY IN EXCESS OF 5%, SO CREATE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND TO PROVIDE CONCEPT PLANS, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ACCORDINGLY. THIS IS CASE NUMBER PLZ 2025-182 NEC PARKER AND JOSEY LANE REZONING. OUR CASE COORDINATOR TONIGHT IS MR. LAWRENCE SHAPIRO.

>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN.

LOREN SHAPIRO, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED JUST STRAIGHT LOCAL RETAIL, SO THERE'S NO PD ON IT.

THERE IS A SUP, HOWEVER, FOR A GAS STATION.

IT'S SURROUNDED BY A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IN THE CITY OF LEWISVILLE TO ITS NORTH. TO THE SOUTH, THERE IS CORPORATE COMMERCIAL AND MADE UP OF TWO PLAIN DEVELOPMENTS, ONE THAT HAS THE RACETRAC GAS STATION, AS WELL AS SOME RETAIL AND RESTAURANT, THEN A VACANT PARCEL TO THE SOUTH-SOUTHEAST.

DIRECTLY TO THE WEST, IT'S ZONED PLAIN DEVELOPMENT FOR RETAIL WITH OUR NEWER DRIVE- THRU RESTAURANTS OR LIMITED RESTAURANT USE. THAT'S OUT THERE. AND ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, WE HAVE PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED BOTH RETAIL AND FOR MULTIFAMILY. SO, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING IS 120,000 SQUARE FOOT GROCERY STORE, AND IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IN RETAIL, WHEN YOU'RE A RETAILER THAT'S GREATER THAN 75,000 SQUARE FEET, TYPICALLY, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WITH THIS COMING IN AS A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR RETAILER, WE WOULD ALLOW THAT PARTICULAR USE BY RIGHT, WHICH IS INDICATED IN YOUR CASE REPORT.

AND THAT'S REFERRED TO AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE 75,000-SQUARE- FOOT RETAIL USE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY ARE PROVIDING A GAS STATION THAT'S LOCATED JUST TO THE SOUTH- SOUTHEAST OF

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THE LARGER AREA FOR STACKING SPACES ARE FOR THEIR PATRONS THAT ARE PICKING UP GROCERIES, SO THAT'S THIS LARGER AREA THAT'S HERE.

IT WILL ALSO BE COVERED. BY A CANOPY.

THERE WAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS PROVIDED DUE TO THE LARGE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED MITIGATION AS A RESULT OF THE CONCLUSIONS OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH INCLUDES THREE RIGHT TURN LANES OR DECELERATION LANES FOR WESTBOUND PARKER ROAD, WHICH IS A STATE ROAD, AS WELL AS A NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE TO THE FIRST DRIVEWAY NORTH OF PARKER ROAD ON JOSEY. WITH IT BEING A PLAIN DEVELOPMENT AND WITH THE ANTICIPATED PARKING NEEDS OF THE USER, THERE WERE WANTING TO GET SOME RELIEF FOR PARKING. AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT'S ALLOWED FOR RETAIL, AND SO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS TYPICALLY OVER 300, THEY'RE PROVIDING 613 BECAUSE THEIR STORES HAVE PROVEN TO DEMAND A LOT MORE PARKING THAN NORMAL.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME RELIEF FOR THE NUMBER OF OR WHERE THEIR LANDSCAPE ISLANDS WOULD LOCATE ON THE SITE.

SPECIFICALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE MORE THAN 100 PARKING SPACES, TYPICALLY, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A LANDSCAPE ISLAND EVERY TEN SPACES.

SO, THEY'RE REQUESTING HAVING IT EVERY 12, THEREBY ALLOWING MORE SPACE FOR PARKING.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY HAVE PROVIDED A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT PROVIDES SUFFICIENT LANDSCAPING MEETING OUR REQUIREMENTS BUT WITH THAT, BECAUSE OF THE SPACE THEY NEED FOR PARKING AND BECAUSE OF THE DISPLAY AREA THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT ON THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS ACTUALLY SHOWN BETTER ON THIS GRAPHIC, IT'S THAT HIGHLIGHTED AREA IN FRONT. IN THAT FRONT AREA, WITH AN HEB HAVE A LOT OF PLANTS THEY SELL, BUT ALSO A LOT OF PRODUCE.

AND SO, THEY'VE INDICATED TO US THEY WANT ALL THEIR TREES TO BE PLANTED AT LEAST 200 FEET BACK FROM THE BUILDING.

THE BIRDS DON'T IMPACT THAT -- THOSE PRODUCTS THAT ARE BEING SOLD.

AS A RESULT OF THAT, YOU CAN SEE THOSE PARKING ISLANDS ARE PUSHED FURTHER BACK, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, IT REFLECTS WHERE THOSE TREES ARE LOCATED, GENERALLY IN THE BACK PART OR THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY. THEY ARE PROVIDING, HOWEVER, A 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER PER OUR REQUIREMENTS BOTH ALONG PARKER ROAD AS WELL AS JOSEY LANE. THEY ARE PROVIDING TREES, THOUGH, AT A SUM OF TWO TREES EVERY 200 LINEAR FEET INSTEAD OF THE ONE EVERY 100, AND THERE'S TWO REASONS FOR THAT.

FIRST IS THEY WANT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL VISIBILITY FROM THE STREETS. SECOND, THERE ARE POWER LINES THAT RUN ALONG PARKER ROAD, SO THEY'RE LIMITED ON WHAT THAT TREE CANOPY CAN BE.

THAT SAID, THEY HAVE PROVIDED CANOPY TREES FAR ENOUGH BACK WHERE IT MINIMIZES IMPACTS. THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE ORNAMENTAL GRASSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ALONG THE THOROUGHFARE, SO IT'LL BE SUPPLEMENTED BY THAT.

AND OF COURSE, THERE WILL BE SOME SHRUBBERY IN THEIR LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

THERE WAS A REALLY -- WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT FOR A PERIOD OF MONTHS, AND COMING UP WITH THIS PLAN, AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY, AND SUFFICIENT MITIGATION FOR THE SITE.

OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT.

BUT KEEP IN MIND THIS IS CONCEPTUAL FROM OUR STANDPOINT. THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY IMPACTS, TRAFFIC-WISE, THAT IMPACTS THE PLAINS.

THEY ALSO HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH TXDOT SUCH AS THE PROPOSED SIGNALIZATION ON PARKER ROAD.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, LIKE I SAID.

TOM HAMMONDS AND JON AND HERE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> YES, COMMISSIONER KRAMER? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THE AREA YOU SAID WAS GOING TO BE COVERED BY A CANOPY FOR CUSTOMER PICKUP OF GROCERIES? IS THAT THE SHADED AREA?

>> I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SEE. SO, HERE'S THE BUILDING.

THIS IS THEIR -- THE PICKUP AREA.

THERE'S A CANOPY. IT'S DASHED SO YOU CAN'T SEE IT VERY WELL.

ACTUALLY, COLOR PLAN MAY SHOW IT

A LITTLE BIT BETTER. >> SO, IT'S JUST A PORTION OF

IT. >> YEAH.

THIS PART. THIS AREA RIGHT IN HERE

THAT'S DASHED. >> AND THERE'S -- WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE ENTRANCE TO THAT AREA?

>> THE ENTRANCE? IT'S RIGHT HERE. THERE'S A DRIVEWAY IN HERE.

>> OH, JUST THE -- JUST THE ONE LANE.

OKAY.

>> YES.

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>> AND IS THAT AN ISLAND ON THE

RIGHT SIDE IN WHITE? >> YES.

THAT IS WHAT THAT IS.

THE APPLICANT CAN GO OVER THE LOGISTICS OF HOW THE OPERATION

WORK. >> OKAY.

I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW BIG THE COVERED PICKUP AREA WAS GOING TO BE. OKAY. WHAT IS A -- I'M LOOKING FOR THE NAME OF THE TREE THAT WE HAD.

I'LL COME BACK TO IT. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? NO? THE APPLICANT'S HERE TONIGHT AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND DO SO AT THIS TIME.

STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> JONATHAN KIRBY, 2600 NORTH EXPRESSWAY, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT. SORRY.

IS THIS BETTER? I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>> YES, COMMISSIONER KRAMER?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M -- I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. I SEE ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THERE IS A NEW STOPLIGHT ON PARKER.

>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND THE USAGE FOR THAT. IS THERE A REASON WHY THERE WASN'T A TRAFFIC LIKE ADDED UP ON THE EAST SIDE RIGHT UP AT THE VERY TOP?

>> THE NORTH SIDE, YOU'RE SAYING?

>> YEAH, THAT -- THE WEST SIDE OF -- I'M SORRY.

THE÷÷ WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

>> LIKE HERE?

>> IT LOOKS -- ACCORDING TO THAT, IF THAT'S TO SCALE, YOU'RE JUST OFF A LITTLE BIT FROM THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF JOSEY.

AND IT DOESN'T OFFER A WAY FOR PEOPLE EITHER LEAVING HEB OR WANTING TO COME INTO IT FROM BUSINESSES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF JOSEY.

EASILY. I MEAN, I SEE THE TURN LANES, BUT TO CROSS JOSEY WOULD BE QUITE DIFFICULT. JOSEY IS QUITE BUSY.

>> SO, OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WE -- ABOUT 10% OF THE TRIPS USEUSE THAT DRIVEWAY, AND OUR ANALYSIS, IT'S MAINLY TRUCK TRAFFIC DRIVEWAY FOR DELIVERIES. SO, THAT'S WHY WE JUST -- IT WASN'T MEETING THE WARRANTS TO REQUIRE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE. IT'S ALSO, WITH THE CURVATURE THAT YOU HAVE OF JOSEY, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT INTERSECTION BEFORE YOU GET THERE. SO, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE OFF PARKER AND PUT THE SIGNAL THERE. THINKING THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR CUSTOMERS.

>> RIGHT. I WAS JUST -- I LOOKED AT IT AS A CONSUMER. DRIVING BY.

WANTING TO GET ACROSS FROM ONE PROPERTY TO ANOTHER.

IT'S REAL HARD TO DO THAT FROM WHAT THIS SITE PLAN LOOKS LIKE, AND I WAS WONDERING WHY WE WOULDN'T PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE.

>> AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED WITH THE CITY ABOUT, AND WE TALKED WITH LEWISVILLE ABOUT AS WELL, AND I THINK THAT IF IT MET THE WARRANTS AND WAS NEEDED, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO DOING. BUT AT THIS POINT, WITH WHAT THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE DONE SHOWS, IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

>> OKAY, THANKS.

>> COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU.

>> JOHN ROSE, 5000 PLANO PARKWAY.

I'M WITH HEB. I'M THE OTHER GUY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS FOR US, AND GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK. WE APPRECIATE THAT.

AND STAFF'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH IN TERMS OF HELPING US GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE COULD BE IN FRONT OF Y'ALL. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. AND TO YOUR ANSWER, MR. KRAMER, OR COMMISSIONER KRAMER, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THE CHALLENGE FOR US IS

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IT'S ALSO THE CITY'S AND LEWISVILLE'S AND SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.

SO, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE'LL MAKE SURE OUR SINGLE WARRANT ANALYSIS IS DONE ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. AS WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP, AND WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. BUT WE DO HAVE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET THE CRITERIA÷÷CRITERIA THAT COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST THIS COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO LEWISVILLE, BECAUSE -- AND WHAT THEY MAY SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

LET US LOOK AT IT FOR YOU, AND

WE'LL BE BACK WITH YOU. >> YEAH.

THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE EASIER TO PUT IT IN AT THE BEGINNING AS OPPOSED TO, OH, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, AND PEOPLE CAN'T CROSS.

>> WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HOW MUCH QUEUEING IS AVAILABLE IN THAT MEDIAN OPENING THERE, AND WE'RE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ON THE AMOUNT OF QUEUEING AS WELL. SO, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON THAT. BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT WITH THE CITY OF LEWISVILLE AND SO, IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH US, WE'LL -- WE'RE TRYING TO -- BETWEEN TXDOT AND THE CITY OF CARROLLTON, CITY OF LEWISVILLE, THERE'S A FEW FOLKS WE GOT TO GET -- THAT ARE GOING TO SAY GRACE OVER THIS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT

RIGHT. >> SOMETIMES I FORGET JUST HOW HOW ENTITIES YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH ON GETTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT DONE.

ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION. WHAT IS A CALIPER TREE?

>> IT'S THE SIZE OF THE TREE, THE DIAMETER OF THE TREE. SO, DIFFERENT DIFFERENT DIAMETER TREES.

>> THAT'S ALL IT IS?

>> THAT'S JUST THE CALIPER OF THE TREE, YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR.

>> YES, COMMISSIONER DOYLE?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. SIR, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD INFORM WHAT TRACT B IS INTENDED FOR. TRACT B TO THE EAST OF THE FUEL

STATION. >> YEAH, IT'S PARTNER -- WHAT WE CALL -- OUR EMPLOYEES ARE PARTNERS, AND IT'S PARTNER PARKING.

>> OKAY.

>> YEAH. WE WILL GENERALLY, FOR THE SITE STORE, WILL PROBABLY HIRE ABOUT 500 OR MORE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE PART OF OUR TEAM.

AND THEY CAN OVERWHELM THE PARKING LOT PRETTY FAST.

>> OKAY. >> SO, WE TRY TO SET UP PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THEM AND YET IS -- WE WANT THE CUSTOMERS TO PRIMARILY HAVE THAT EASY ACCESS. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR OUR PARTNERS TO BE ABLE TO PARK THERE AS WELL.

>> OKAY. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.

>> IT PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO BE A LOT -- OUR CUSTOMERS ARE NOT GOING TO PARK THERE.

I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T.

>> NOT UNLESS THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR 10,000 STEPS IN ONE

TRIP. >> AT ONE TIME.

YEAH.

SO, THAT'S THE REASON. >> OKAY.

I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT

FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. >> WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS GOING TO BE PARKING OR NOT. WE WENT BACK AND FORTH A LOT ABOUT IT, INTERNALLY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> YES, COMMISSIONER OVERHOLT?

>> A THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT RIGHT TURNS.

AGAIN, THE LANE THAT RUNS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STORE GOES OUT TO JOSEY. WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING NORTH ON JOSEY, IS THERE A RIGHT TURN STACKING LANE THERE?

>> THEY'RE GOING NORTH ON JOSEY? AND YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT -- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND DRIVEWAY OR THE FIRST DRIVEWAY? AS THEY'RE GOING NORTHBOUND?

>> THE SECOND -- NO, THE FIRST ONE.

RIGHT ACROSS. >> WE'VE GOT A DECELERATION LANE PLANNED FOR THAT DRIVEWAY, YES,

SIR. >> THERE IS ONE THERE? OKAY.

>> BECAUSE THE COUNT IS SO LOW ON THE SECOND DRIVEWAY, WE DID NOT PUT A DECELERATION LANE ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE.

>> RIGHT. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, WE HAVE HAD SOME INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC ALREADY ABOUT THE RIGHT TURN LANE AT -- WHAT IS IT? PARKER.

IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM FOR YOU -- IF THEY WERE TO -- WHEN PEOPLE TURN RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN'T HAVE MUCH STACKING AREA IF THEY WANT TO GET ACROSS AND THEN GO INTO THE÷÷ PARKING.

>> WELL, IF THEY'RE -- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT -- LET ME -- THERE WE GO. ARE YOU REFERRING TO RIGHT HERE, THIS RIGHT TURN LANE HERE?

>> RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF JOSEY AND PARKER.

>> SOUTH.

>> SOUTH SIDE? OKAY.

>> SOUTHWEST.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWN HERE?

>> YEAH.

>> UM, I WASN'T AWARE OF ANY ISSUES ON THAT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. WE'RE CURRENTLY -- THE CURRENT MITIGATION PLANS FOR CONVERTING THE INTERSECTION ON SOUTHBOUND JOSEY INTO A DOUBLE LEFT BECAUSE WE DO SEE A LOT OF STACKING OCCURRING THERE. AND SO, THAT'S PLANNED. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ON ANY OF THE REPORTS WE'VE SEEN ASKING FOR A RIGHT TURN LANE ON THE -- GOING FROM -- WELL, I GUESS THAT'S FROM EASTBOUND JOSEY -- I MEAN, EASTBOUND PARKER ON TO SOUTHBOUND JOSEY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING?

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>> NO. IT WOULD BE NORTHBOUND ON JOSEY, TURNING RIGHT.

THEY GET OVER TO YOUR ENTRANCE WHERE THE STOPLIGHT IS.

>> RIGHT HERE.

>> LET US LOOK AT THAT. I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED BY THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S A -- THAT'S A PRETTY DEFINITE WEAVING ISSUE IF YOU PUT IN A RIGHT TURN LANE. YOU'VE GOT TO THEN WEAVE ACROSS SEVERAL LANES AND IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE BEST SCENARIO. SO, LET US TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

BUT THAT'S NOT MY FAVORITE, JUST FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

BUT I'LL -- WE'LL WORK WITH YOUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ON THAT ISSUE AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> I THINK THE THOUGHT IS IT WOULD BE A PROTECTED MOVEMENT AT THAT RIGHT TURN SO THERE WOULDN'T THE COMPETING TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION DOWN PARKER, PEOPLE MAKING THAT RIGHT TURN THERE WOULD HAVE A PROTECTIVE GREEN LIGHT.

SO, YES, THEY WOULD GET OVER A FEW LANES OF TRAFFIC BUT THEY WOULD BE DOING IT AT A CLEAR INTERSECTION.

>> THAT'S WHY I BRING HIM. HE'S MUCH SMARTER THAN I AM.

>> COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE ADDRESS TO THE QUESTION AS WELL?

>> CITY OF CARROLLTON TRANSPORTATION.

I JUST DID WANT TO POINT OUT THE CITY DOES HAVE RIGHT-OF- WAY FOR THE EVENTUAL RIGHT TURN CHANNELIZATION ON NORTHBOUND JOSEY TO GO EAST ON TO PARKER ROAD.

WE ALSO DO HAVE THE RIGHT-OF- WAY FOR AN EVENTUAL RIGHT TURN BAY EASTBOUND ON PARKER TO GO SOUTH ON JOSEY.

AND THAT WOULD BE THROUGH PARTNERSHIP WITH TXDOT, BECAUSE THAT INTERSECTION IS ACTUALLY A TXDOT-CONTROLLED INTERSECTION.A

>> THANK YOU.

OKAY, SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, I DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS. I HAVE 11 TOTAL.

EIGHT OF WHICH ARE FOR, TWO ARE AGAINST. ONE DIDN'T CHECK EITHER. WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? OF THE FOUR CARDS THAT I DO HAVE THAT THEY DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK, THE FIRST PERSON WHO DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK AND IS IN OPPOSITION IS AFZAN THERANI.

THE SECOND CARD I HAVE, THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IT'S IN SUPPORT, IS JEREMY FRANCIS.

THE NEXT CARD THAT I HAVE, THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, AND IT'S IN SUPPORT, IS STACEY FRANCIS.

AND THEN THE LAST CARD I HAVE THAT THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, AND IT'S IN SUPPORT, IS PAVIN. HOPE I SAID THOSE RIGHT.

THEN, THE NEXT CARD THAT I HAVE, AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WISH TO SPEAK.

THIS IS THE FIRST CARD IS CHUCK TRAINOR.

CHUCK T R-E-A -- I CAN'T READ ALL OF IT, AND YOU DIDN'T CHECK SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.

YOU MAY -- YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS CHUCK. LIVE AT 1007 LAKEWOOD HILLS.

I DIDN'T CHECK EITHER ONE BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE REQUESTED -- CHANGES, SO THE WAY THE FORM IS WRITTEN, IT DOESN'T ALLOW THAT CHECK BOX. I WROTE IT IN IF YOU SEE MY NOTE ON THE CARD. I AM THE LAKEWOOD HILLS HOA PRESIDENT. THAT SUBDIVISION THAT BACKS UP TO THE HEB THAT'S BEING PROPOSED THERE. WE HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS. THE FIRST ONE, I AM CONFUSED ON WHY THERE IS NOT A STREETLIGHT WHERE WE -- THE GENTLEMAN POINTED OUT.

I TRAVEL THAT LOCATION ALMOST EVERY DAY, AND IT'S A SIX- LANE ROADWAY ON JOSEY ROAD.

IT'S A FOUR- LANE ROADWAY ON PARKER. THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY TRAFFIC ON PARKER.

JOSEY IS A STAND STILL MOST OF THE TIME.

YOU CANNOT EVEN SOMETIMES TAKE A LEFT TURN LANE WITHOUT THE LIGHT CHANGING AT LEAST ONCE.

SO, THE TRAFFIC THERE WILL BE CONSISTENT, AND I THINK YOU DO NEED, WITHOUT A DOUBT, A LIGHT AT THAT LOCATION THAT THE GENTLEMAN POINTED OUT.

ALSO, WE HAVE A FEW OTHER CONCERNS THAT WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, AND I HAVE SOME OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HERE, TOO, SO I WON'T TAKE THEIR ITEMS, BUT ONE OF THE ITEMS IS AROUND THE SUBDIVISION, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE AN OPTION TO PUT A HIGHER FENCING.

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THAT WAS NOT STRICTLY IN THE PLAN.

WE ALSO HAVE A FEW OTHER CONCERNS.

THE FUEL STATION, IS THAT -- IS THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY REGARDING THE FUEL BEING STORED IN THAT LOCATION NEAR THE HOMEOWNERS?

>> I'M SORRY, WE CAN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.

AND THEN, A FEW OTHER ITEMS HERE THAT WE HAD HAD IS, LIGHTING FOR THE BACK OF THE SUBDIVISION.

NORMALLY, IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION, THEY PUT LIGHTING FOR THE PARKING LOT. WE WOULD NOT LIKE THAT LIGHTING TO BE REFLECTED INTO OUR SUBDIVISION.

SO, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THE LIGHTING BE ADJUSTED SO IT DOES NOT REFLECT INTO THE HOMEOWNERS' BACK YARDS WITH THE -- OBVIOUSLY, A VERY HIGH FENCE.

THERE IS A TEN- FOOT BERM IN BETWEEN THE SUBDIVISION AND HEB'S LOCATION.

WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THAT WOULD BE CONCRETED.

WE DON'T THINKTHINK HEBRON IS GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT TEN- FOOT AREA. ALSO, WE SEE THERE'S A LOT OF -- IN THAT AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF RODENTS, OTHER THING. WE DON'T HAVE THE -- WE'RE NOT BUDGETING FOR THAT TO BE DONE BY OUR HOA, SO THAT WHOLE ROUND THERE AFTER THAT WE'D REQUEST THAT THAT BE PAVED OVER.

AND THEN, I'LL LET MY OTHER BOARD MEMBER GO AHEAD.

AND COMMENT ON SOME THINGS.

BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I COVERED EVERYTHING HERE.

>> YES, SIR, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO START WRAPPING IT UP, PLEASE.

>> OKAY. I KNOW I GOT THREE MINUTES SO I KNOW I'M NOT THERE YET.

>> IT'S THREE MINUTES.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO, THE NEXT PERSON I HAVE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM IS SONYA.

IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS SONYA AND I LIVE AT÷÷ 2134 CREEK BLUFF COURT, CARROLLTON, TEXAS, 75010. I LIVE RIGHT HERE IN THIS CUL-DE- SAC THAT EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE IN THE BACKYARD FOR. I HAVE A FEW CONCERNS. FIRST, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ON JOSEY AND PARKER, SIMILAR TO WHAT OTHERS HAVE SPOKEN ON. THIS AREA IS ALREADY CONGESTED AND DANGEROUS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BLIND HILL NORTH OF PARKER. ADDING HEB TRAFFIC WITHOUT A SIGNAL AT THE JOSEY ENTRANCE WILL MAKE CONDITIONS WORSE. I'M ASKING THE CITY TO REQUIRE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE HEB ENTRANCE.

AND TO EVALUATE A NEEDED TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE CREEK HILL AND JOSEY INTERSECTION, WHICH IS WHERE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD EXISTS.

INCREASED TRAFFIC WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT FAMILIES ENTERING AND LEAVING LAKEWOOD HILLS. THE DIP AT PARKER AND JOSEY ALSO CREATES A BOTTLENECK TODAY AND IT WILL WORSEN WITH ADDED VOLUME. THESE IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED BEFORE APPROVAL. SECOND, TO ALSO SPEAK ABOUT THE BUFFER BEHIND OUR HOMES, A SIX-FOOT FENCE WILL NOT PROTECT OUR HOMES FROM NOISE, LIGHTING OR ACTIVITY.

WE NEED A FULL 12- FOOT FENCE ALONG THE ENTIRE EAST SIDE, ALONG WITH MAINTENANCE OF THE NARROW STRIP BEHIND IT SO IT DOESN'T REMAIN OVERGROWN AS OUR HOA PRESIDENT SPOKE ON.

THIRD IS NOISE, LIGHTING, TRASH AND NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY.

CAR WASH BLOWERS, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT AREA IS FOR A CAR WASH, CARCAR BLOWERS AND VACUUMS WILL BE DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR HOMES. I ASK FOR LIMITS ON OPERATING HOURS TO PREVENT EARLY MORNING OR LATE-NIGHT DISRUPTION. PARKING LOT LIGHTS SHOULD BE DIMMED OR SHUT OFF OVERNIGHT SO THEY AREN'T SHINING INTO OUR HOMES. TRASH RECEPTACLES BEHIND THE STORE MUST BE FULLY ENCLOSED AND PROPERLY MANAGED TO PREVENT ODORS AND RODENTS.

WE GET RODENTS BUT ALSO SCORPIONS.

AND WITH A LARGE COMMERCIAL SITE SO CLOSE TO OUR BACKYARDS, I ASK THE CITY TOTO CONSIDER INCREASING SECURITY POLICE PATROLS TO PROTECT NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY. WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING THAT APPROVAL INCLUDES STRONG PROTECTIONS FOR THE FAMILIES WHO LIVE CLOSEST TO IT, PROTECTIONS FOR TRAFFIC, LIGHTING, SAFETY, AND THE ENVIRONMENT BEHIND OUR HOMES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

>> SO, THE NEXT PERSON I HAVE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM IS JONATHAN KIRBY.

NEXT PERSON I HAVE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM IS JON ROSE.

THERE YOU GO. TWO FOR TWO. NEXT PERSON I HAVE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM IS SAMANTHA MAXIM.

IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THREE MINUTES TO

SPEAK. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS

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FIRST, I MUST SAY I'M VERY EXCITED TO HAVE AN HEB SO CLOSE TO WHERE WE LIVE. THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP TODAY IS THE SAME THING THAT OUR HOA PRESIDENT AND THE OTHER HOMEOWNER JUST MENTIONED. TRAFFIC, HONESTLY.

IT IS CURRENTLY FAIRLY DANGEROUS TO TURN LEFT ON TO JOSEY, AND EXIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT. AND THEN, WHEN YOU ADD INTO THAT THE ADDITIONAL HEB TRAFFIC, I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO EXIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SAFELY. SO, THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN REQUEST THAT I HAVE FOR THE CITY TO EITHER WORK WITH CITY OF CARROLLTON, HEB OR THE CITY OF LEWISVILLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL ABLE TO SAFELY ENTER AND EXIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE OTHER ITEM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE IS THE 12- FOOT FENCE. JUST SO THAT WE CAN STILL HAVE A PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND JUST WANTED TO SAY AGAIN THAT I'M VERY EXCITED TO HAVE AN HEB. DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THIS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS CAN COEXIST PEACEFULLY WITH THE HEB, AND THAT EVERYONE CAN ENJOY IT. THANK YOU.

>> THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM IS SAM LOWE.

IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

NOTE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> MY NAME IS SAM LOWE, I'M ON HOA OF LAKEWOOD HILLS AND I AM A HOMEOWNER IN A CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT BEHIND TRACT B.

REHASHING WHAT THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN, THE LEFT TURN ON PARKER ROAD TO JOSEY IS PROPOSED TO BE A DUAL LEFT TURN. I PROPOSE THAT THE CITY CONSIDER FIXING THE HUMP IN THAT MOUND OF GOING ON TO PARKER THAT CAUSES IMPEDING TRAFFIC TO SLOW DOWN, AND IT'S JUST TERRIBLE FOR THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC GOING FROM JOSEY, NORTHBOUND.

THE PERIMETER FENCE, I AM RECOMMENDING THAT WE MANDATE HEB USE A 12-FOOT FENCE. PRIVACY REASONS.

I ALSO AGREE WITH THE FUEL STATION LIMITING THE HOURS OF OPERATION DUE TO THE NOISE.

I ALSO AGREE WITHWITH A LIGHT ON THE JOSEY LANE SIDE BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE. IF YOU'RE GETTING ACROSS JOSEY LANE, IT'S GOING TO BE NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE WITH HEB IN THIS LOCATION.

AND I ALSO ASK THEY MANDATE HEB PUT THE TEN- FOOT TRACT ON THE TOWN OF HEBRON STRIP BE PAVED BECAUSE IF THERE'S A FENCE BETWEEN THAT SECTION AND THE HOMEOWNERS ARE ON THE PERIMETER, IF IT'S LEFT TO BE VEGETATION, IT'S GOING TO OVERGROW, AND NO ONE'S GOING TO MAINTAIN IT.

WE ASK THAT THEY PAVE THAT SECTION COMPLETELY OUT IN CONCRETE.

>> THANK YOU. THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM IS KENNY TRAN.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

NOTE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS KENNY TRAN. I LIVE AT 310 RIDGERIDGE WAY.

I LIVE IN THE SAME COMMUNITY AS THESE PEOPLE BUT NOT IN THE EXACT SAME CUL-DE-SAC. I'M NOT AS DIRECTLY IMPACT AS SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS BUT I DO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC.

SO, I DO WANT TO SAY I'M EXCITED ABOUT HAVING -- ABOUT THE IDEA OF HAVING HEB AND FUEL STATION NEARBY. IT WILL BE A GREAT ADDITION FOR THE CONVENIENCE AND COMMUNITY GROWTH.

HOWEVER, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDIES.

YOU DID MENTION HOW TYPICALLY FOR A STORE OF THIS SIZE, YOU NEED A HUNDRED PARKING SPOTS, BUT YOU'RE ONLY ACCOUNTING FOR INCREASED TRAFFIC FOR 300 SPOTS, RIGHT? SO AS FAR AS YOU'RE AWARE, THIS IS GOING TO BE CAUSING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC TO THE AREA. MY PREVIOUS COMMUTE USED TO TAKE ME THROUGH THE INTERSECTION OF PRESTON ROAD AND SPRING CREEK PARKWAY AND AFTER THE WEST PLANO HEB WAS BUILT, MY COMMUTE WENT FROM TWO MINUTES TO 10 TO 15 MINUTES OF SITTING IN TRAFFIC. IF TRAFFIC IS ALREADY BAD, I BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC CONCESSION IN THIS AREA WOULD BE EVEN WORSE AS WELL, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK HOURS.

SO, I JUST WANT TO URGE THE COUNCIL AND DEVELOPERS TO CONSIDER A FURTHER THOROUGH TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY BEFORE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS. ADDITIONALLY, CONSIDER ADDING EXTRA TRAFFIC LIGHT AT JOSEY AS PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE IN -- MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS IN MY COMMUNITY ARE INEXPERIENCED DRIVERS, AND IT'S ALREADY HARD ENOUGH TO TURN LEFT FROM ANY OF THE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS. THANKS.

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>> THANK YOU. SO, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS OR OPINIONS KNOWN ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND DO SO AT THIS TIME IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY COME FORWARD.

I DO NOT SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD. THE APPLICANT, IF YOU WISH TO MAKE ANY FINAL SHORT CLOSING COMMENTS, YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND DO SO AT THIS TIME. IF YOU DON'T, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. YOU'RE GOOD? DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY FINAL QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION CONCERNING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5? YES, COMMISSIONER DOYLE.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, PLEASE.

IN THE CASE STIPULATIONS FOR THINGS TO CONSIDER, ITEM 13 SAYS THE PD PROPOSES A CONCRETE OR OTHER MATERIALS MATERIALS CONFORMANCE WITH THE FENCING REGULATION FOR UP TO 12 FEET IN HEIGHT IN ORDER TO SCREEN. DOES THAT MEAN IT'S OPTIONAL UP TO 12 FEET? OR DOES THAT MEAN IT SHOULD BE 12 FEET?

>> NO, IT'S UP TO 12 FEET. SO, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THEY MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL STORAGE CLOSEST TO THE RESIDENTIAL.

HEB WAS WANTING TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE IT UP TO 12 FEET.

>> OKAY.

>> IN THOSE AREAS.

>> IN ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS, IS THERE A WAY THAT THAT COULD -- THAT THE WORDS "UP TO" OR DO THEY -- DOES HEB GET TO DECIDE WHERE?

>> WELL, IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION.

THAT'S FOR THE COMMISSION TO ASK THE APPLICANT, BUT THE WHOLE PREMISE WAS THAT IT WOULD BE UP TO 12 FEET TO SCREEN CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE EQUIPMENT OR SOME STORAGE.

THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF IT. SO, YOU MAY WANT TO ADDRESS THE APPLICANT AS WELL.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO STEP UP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE.

>> WE KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S NOISE AND WE KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

THOSE ARE THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE WANTING TO PUT IN A 12- FOOT FENCE.

THERE ARE OTHER AREAS WHERE THAT 12-FOOT FENCE, WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR BACK WARD, IT'S NOT A BIG BACKYARD, IT'S A PRETTY BIG WALL. AND SO, WE DON'T ARBITRARILY DECIDE A 12-FOOT WALL, BECAUSE IT'S A RELATIVELY BIG WALL FOR A SMALL BACKYARD. AND SO, WE RECOMMEND -- WHERE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NOISE, WHICH WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NOISE FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WHERE TRUCKS COME IN AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE'LL BE PUTTING IN A 12-FOOT WALL THERE. BUT IN THE OTHER AREAS, WE WOULD -- WE THINK IT'S PROBABLY IN EVERYONE'S INTEREST TO BE AT AN EIGHT- FOOT WALL.

WE WILL CERTAINLY CONSIDER A 12- FOOT IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION AND NEIGHBORS WANT, BUT WE DO THINK IT'S -- SOMETIMES YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW TALL THAT IS UNTIL IT'S RIGHT THERE.

SO, THAT'S THE CONCERN FROM OUR STANDPOINT.

WE WANT TO -- WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE OVERBEARING ON ANY ASPECT OF IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YES, COMMISSIONER HERMAN?

>> IF THERE WAS NO MORE QUESTIONS, I WAS READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FURTHER IN LINE WITH THIS DISCUSSION, IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION, BUT TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU SAY TYPICALLY, WHAT HEIGHT THE FENCE YOU WOULD PUT UP?

>> NORMALLY, EIGHT FOOT.

>> EIGHT FOOT? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. >> IT'S NOT AS OBTRUSIVE ASAS -- WE -- I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM THAT SIX FOOT DOESN'T CUT IT.

BUT WE WOULD NORMALLY LOOK AT AN EIGHT- FOOT FENCE THAT COVERS MOST SITUATIONS.

AND WE JUST WORRY ABOUT NOISE JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE DOES. THAT'S PART OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND SO, IN THE AREAS WHERE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO GENERATE ENOUGH NOISE, WE'LL MAKE SURE THERE'S A -- LET ME TALK ABOUT LIGHTING FOR A SECOND. IT WAS BROUGHT UP AS AN ISSUE.

FROM A STANDPOINT OF LIGHTING, WE'RE LOOKING FOR CUTOFF FIXTURES THAT SHOULD BE NEXT TO ZERO AT THE PROPERTY LINE. Y'ALL'S ORDINANCE, I'M PRETTY SURE, PROBABLY REQUIRES IT. THERE WE GO.

SO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO -- AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, WE DON'T TURN ALL OF OUR LIGHTS OFF AT NIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE STORE STOCKING BECAUSE WHATEVER GOES -- WE'VE GOT TO REPLACE WHAT GOES OUT THE FRONT DOOR, SO WE DO HAVE -- WE WORRY ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR PEOPLE. SO, WE DON'T TURN ALL THE LIGHTS OFF. JUST FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT.

BUT WE CAN PROBABLY CUT THEM BACK SOME.

>> YEAH, I WOULD THINK FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, YOU HAVE TO KEEP SOME OF THE LIGHTS ON.

>> WE DO. >> UH-HUH.

ALL RIGHT. BUT THANK YOU.

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> YES, COMMISSIONER HERMAN?

>> OKAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A HEARING AND APPROVE PLZ 2025-182

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>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERMAN.

YES, FIRST VICE CHAIR FOSTER?

>> I SECOND THAT MOTION.

>> THANK YOU, FIRST VICE CHAIR FOSTER.

A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER HERMAN AND SECONDED BY FIRST VICE CHAIR FOSTER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE CASE NUMBER PLZ 2025-182 NEC PARKER AND JOSEY LANE REZONING. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BY THE COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE? THEN, T'S MOVE TO A VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN, YOU NEED TO PUSH A BUTTON.

MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, SO THIS CASE WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 6TH, 2026.

THANK YOU, AND CONGRATULATIONS.

>> IF YOU WOULD, GIVE ME JUST A SECOND AS I GET THROUGH ALL THESE CARDSCARDS THAT I JUST GOT HANDED. BE RIGHT WITH YOU.

OKAY. OKAY, SO, THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEM IS NUMBER 6. AND THAT'STHAT'S HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING ON AN APPROXIMATELY 8.91-ACRE TRACT ZONE PDU-192 FOR THE LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT AND LOCATED ON OF OLD DENTON AND WEST JACKSON ROADS TO AMEND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 192 TO ALLOW AN EVENT CENTER, TO REVISE CONCEPTUAL PLANS AND MODIFY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ACCORDINGLY.

THIS IS CASE NUMBER PLZ MADINAH MASJID AND OUR CASE IS

LOREN. >> THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. IT CURRENTLY DOES ALLOW AA SCHOOL, PRESCHOOL, ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL WITH UP TO 325 STUDENTS. SO, THAT'S HOW IT'S APPROVED TODAY. WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO, THOUGH, IS THEY'RE WANTING TO INCREASE THE ENROLLMENT AND THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CHILDREN FROM THE CURRENT 325 TO 858 STUDENTS.

SO, AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEY HAD TO PROVIDE US A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. THE GRADE LEVELS HAVE REMAINED THE SAME. IT STILL WILL BE PRE-K THROUGH 12TH GRADE. HOWEVER, THERE'S SOME CHANGES ON THEIR CONCEPT PLAN.

THE SCHOOL ITSELF, FOR THE FORM, IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.

THE SCHOOL LINE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, NORTH IS ORIENTED TO YOUR LEFT AS YOU LOOK AT THIS.

SO, THE SCHOOL WILL REMAIN THE SAME AS FAR AS ITS LOCATION. IT REMAINS THAT THREE STORIES UP TO 45 FEET IN HEIGHT. SAME CONFIGURATION WITH THE GYMNASIUM AT THE SOUTH END. BUT INSTEAD OF -- WELL, YOU WILL HAVE THE RETAIL BUILDING, STILL 5,400 SQUARE FEET. INSTEAD OF A MEDICAL BUILDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY -- THAT'S ON THE CURRENTLY APPROVED

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AND SO, THAT'S THE PRINCIPAL CHANGES AS FAR AS LAND USES GO. ONE THING TO POINT OUT IS THAT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT, THE BANQUET HALL OR EVENT CENTER, AS YOU ALL KNOW, REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERSPECTIVE. SO, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING THAT IS PART OF THE PD AMENDMENT, ALLOWING THE EVENT CENTER OR BANQUET HALL BY RIGHT. IN THAT, LET ME START WITH -- KNOWING THAT THERE IS A SCHOOL WITH 858 STUDENTS, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO HAVE THAT EVENT CENTER IN OPERATION OFF HOURS FROM WHEN THE SCHOOL IS IN OPERATION.

AND THAT INCLUDES TIMES WHEN THE KIDS ARE DROPPED OFF AND PICKED UP.

SO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT IN THE -- IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR RESULT SHEET, THAT WAS NOT ADDED.

THAT WOULD BE AN ADDED STIPULATION THAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND PLACING IN THERE SO THAT THOSE TIMES DON'T CONFLICT.

THAT SAID, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DUE TO THE OBVIOUS SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE CAPACITY OF THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS.

AND SO, THEY PROVIDED THAT TO OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.

THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A -- ACTUALLY, I'M LOOKING AT IT LIKE IT'S NORTH BUT IT'S AN EASTBOUND DECELERATION LANE OR RIGHT TURN LANE ON TO THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS BEFORE YOU GET TO OLD DENTON, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STACKING AND TO ALLOW IMPROVED CIRCULATION OF TRAFFIC. THEY'VE ALSO CHANGED THE PLAN MOVING THE SITE SLIGHTLY WEST BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY DOWN TO THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

AND AS A RESULT, HAD TO PUT A RETAINING WALL, SO FORMERLY, THERE WERE PARKING SPACES, AND THERAPY WASTE RECEPTACLES WERE ON THIS WEST SIDE. NOW, THEY HAVE BEEN PLACED BETWEEN THE GYMNASIUM AND THE BANQUET HALL.

THEY HAVE PROVIDED SUFFICIENT PARKING AND STACKING.

HOWEVER, AS INDICATED IN THE CASE REPORT, THERE WILL BE THREE TIME PERIODS, EACH TIME IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENING, FOR PICKUP AND DROPOFF JUST BECAUSE OF THE LARGE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT WILL BE GOING TO THE SCHOOL. AND SO, AS I MENTIONED, THAT IS GOING TO BE KEY AS PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS.

WITHIN THE PD OR IN THE RESULT SHEET, WE'VE PROVIDED THAT STIPULATION THAT IT WOULD BE STAGGERED TIMES FOR THAT. SO, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROVIDED A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT DOES MEET OUR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.

THE ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, IT'S ALSO ALREADY IN THE PD AND IT'S EMPHASIZED IN THE RESULT SHEET, IS IT DOES SAY DETENTION HERE, BUT THE ONLY DETENTION THAT WILL BE ALLOWED IN THIS AREA WILL BE ONE THAT'S EITHER UNDERGROUND OR IF IT'S SURFACED, A SURFACE DRAINAGE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A RETENTION POND.

SO, IT WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY BE A WATER FEATURE. WITH THAT IN MIND, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION AS I MENTIONED. WE RECOMMEND ADDING THAT STIPULATION THAT THE EVENT CENTER IS OPERATIONAL AT DIFFERENT TIMES THAN THE SCHOOL ITSELF.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE OF COURSE, AS I MENTIONED, TOM AND JON ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON OUR END REGARDING TRAFFIC.

>> COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? YES, COMMISSIONER KRAMER?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LOREN, IS IT NORMAL THAT WE ADD -- OR LET THEM HAVE AN EVENT HALL, EVENT FACILITY, AS A MATTER OF RIGHT VERSUS AN SUP?

>> I'M SORRY, ASK THAT AGAIN.

>> IS IT USUAL THAT WE --

>> FOR AN EVENT CENTER, YOU

MEAN? >> AS OF RIGHT CLAUSE FOR AN EVENT FACILITY VERSUS HAVING

THEM GO THROUGH -- >> WELL, IT NORMALLY ISN'T.

NORMALLY, IF IT WAS JUST AN INDIVIDUAL EVENT CENTER COMING INTO A TRACT ON ITS OWN, IT WOULD NEED ITS OWN SUP.

WITH A PD, AS YOU SAW WITH THE PREVIOUS CASE, THERE IS A NUMBER OF USES IF IT'S A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR US, IN THIS CASE, TO ALLOW AN EVENT CENTER BY RIGHT, SUBJECT TO FOLLOWING OUR STIPULATIONS.

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>>> OF COURSE LIKE I MENTIONED THE BANQUET HALL IS A SEPARATE

PERIOD THAT IT IS IN OPERATION. >> OKAY THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONERS, YES COMMISSIONER ?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE INCREASE OF 533 STUDENTS , DID YOU CONSIDER THE PARKING FOR THOSE 533 STUDENTS EXTRA?

>> YES, THAT WAS ALSO CONTEMPLATED WHEN THE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED ALONG WITH WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY AS FAR AS CIRCULATION FOR DROP-OFFS.

>> CONSIDERING RECIRCULATION CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THE BACKING IS

ON THE MAP? >> I WILL HAVE JOHN ANSWER THAT.

>> THE APPLICANT, I'M SORRY CITY TRANSPORTATION. AS PART OF THE REVISED NUMBER OF STUDENTS OF COURSE TIA WAS SUBMITTED .

FOR TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AROUND THE SITE . THE TRAFFIC THAT , WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION ENTERING OFF OF JACKSON ROAD THE CIRCULATION WILL ENTER INTO THIS I GUESS PARKING AND IOA AREA PASSING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND COME AROUND THE SIDE OF THE BANQUET HALL FOR THE PICKUP AND DROP OFF ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE, OF THE SCHOOL. THIS ALLOWS FOR MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF SPACE FOR THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE SCHOOL. WITH THIS CONFIGURATION, THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO HAVE APPROXIMATELY 1500 TO 1600 FEET . DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOL IS PROPOSING NEARLY 900 STUDENTS, WE DID REQUEST THE SCHOOL TO DO ADDITIONAL STUDIES, THEY DID LOOK AT THE QUEUING OCCURRING WITH THE HARMONY SCHOOL OF INNOVATIONS. THEY DID ANALYSIS OF THAT, DETERMINED BASED UPON THAT INFORMATION AND OTHER MODELING, DETERMINED WITH A MAXIMUM ANTICIPATED QUEUING . BECAUSE OF THAT , IN ESSENCE WE ARE SEPARATING THE SCHOOL DROP OFF AND PICK UP TO THE THREE SEPARATE INSTANCES , THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE THREE, 45 MINUTES OPERATIONS FOR THE PICKUP AND DROP OFF. IN ESSENCE, KINDERGARTEN, FIRST AND SECOND GRADE, 300 STUDENTS FOR THOSE GRADES WILL BE DROPPED OFF AT A TIME THAT'S 45 MINUTES BEFORE THE THIRD, FOURTH AND FIFTH GRADE AND THEN THE LAST 250 SOME ODD STUDENTS ARE FROM SIXTH GRADE TO 12TH GRADE, THE 45 MINUTES IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR THE QUEUING TO EITHER, TO DISBAND BEFORE THE NEXT ROUND OF PARENTS COME IN TO START PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF THEIR KIDS. THE OTHER MAIN REASON FOR THAT LARGE SEPARATION 45 MINUTES IS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE IN ESSENCE WE HAVE THE PICKUP AND LOADING HAPPENING ON THAT LOADING AREA. I WILL SAY THAT THE QUEUING , THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA THAT IS NOT IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE TIA WHERE WE HAVE DOUBLE STACKING THROUGH THE AREA. SO, IF IT IS QUEUING CHALLENGES WHERE THERE IS MORE QUEUING THAN WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE WE CAN QUEUE

VEHICLES ON THAT SIDE. >> OKAY WHILE I HAVE YOU HERE THEN , THE INTERSECTION IN THE CENTER THAT LOOKS LIKE A Y WITH A COUPLE OF CROSSINGS AT ODD ANGLES, THAT DOES NOT LOOK VERY

SAFE. ESPECIALLY WITH STUDENTS. >> IN TERMS OF PICKUP AND

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>> I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT YOU HAVE TRAFFIC COMING IN FROM THE AREA WHICH WOULD BE EAST, I GUESS OFF OF OLD DENTON WITH TRAFFIC COMING IN OFF OF THE OTHER STREET. THERE IS NO STOP SIGN IT IS NOT LOOK LIKE THE STREET , YOU HAVE ANGLE CROSSINGS FOR KIDS TO WALK OVER TO THE STORE. SEEMS LIKE A HAZARDOUS LOCATION. SEEMS LIKE THE ISLAND COULD BE TAKEN OUT TO HAVE A STRAIGHT INTERSECTION THERE WITH STOP SIGNS IT WOULD

BE MUCH SAFER. >> I WILL LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, IN ESSENCE, THE MAIN REASONING FOR THE ROUTE IS TO SEPARATE SCHOOL TRAFFIC ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE WITH THE RETAIL ON THE EASTERN SIDE SO WE ARE TRYING TO SEPARATE THE VEHICLES THAT ARE ENTERING OFF OF OLD DENTON THAT MAY BE TRYING TO GET TO THE RETAIL AND SEPARATE IT FROM THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC.

>> YES, COMMISSIONER. VICE CHAIR KRAMER SORRY.

>> VICE CHAIR SORRY. >> THANK YOU , MR. CHAIRMAN. 45 MINUTES IN BETWEEN PICKUPS OR DROP-OFFS , THAT ADDS AT LEAST ONE HOUR AND A HALF OF TIME DURING THE DAY, IN THE MORNING AND ONE HOUR AND A HALF IN THE EVENING. IS THAT REALLY FEASIBLE? CONSIDERING THE PARENTS AND CHILDREN HAVE TO ADD THAT MUCH TIME TO THEIR SCHEDULE TO GET THERE AND THEN ALSO INCREASE BY ONE HOUR AND A HALF TO BRING HOME ? I REMEMBER GOING TO SCHOOL AND I WOULD NOT WANT TO ADD THREE HOURS TO MY DAY TO GET PICKED UP WERE DROPPED OFF. HOW FEASIBLE? IS THAT DONE

ANYWHERE ELSE? >> HARMONY SCHOOL DOES HAVE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL FOR THE SAME REASON WHERE THERE IS A LARGE NUMBER OF VEHICLES TRYING TO PICK UP AND DROP OFF ALL THE KIDS THAT EXCEEDS CAPACITY OF THE SITE TO HANDLE THAT TRAFFIC. IN THAT CASE, THERE IS SOME STAGGERING, I BELIEVE HARMONY SCHOOL HAS A 30 MINUTE STAGGER. HOWEVER, WE HAVE HAD CHALLENGES AT THAT LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF POINT LOAD FOR THE SCHOOL

TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION. >> HOW MANY CHILDREN GO TO

HARMONY SCHOOL? >> I BELIEVE HARMONY SCHOOL HAS 11 TO 1200 , BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. THE SITE IS LARGER THAN

THIS SITE. >> I JUST GET THE SENSE THAT IS A LOT OF KIDS IN A SMALLER PIECE OF LAND AND YOU'RE TRYING TO

SQUEEZE TOO MUCH INTO IT >> YES, COMMISSIONER DOYLE.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. ONE QUICK QUESTION IF YOU CAN SHOW ME AGAIN THE TRAFFIC PATTERN FOR DROP OFF. OVER TO THE BANQUET HALL WITH A LOT OF ROADS GOING OUT OF THERE.

>> THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC CIRCULATION FOR THE TIA IS ALL TRAFFIC OFF OF JACKSON ROAD ON THE TRAFFIC ENTERING OFF OF JACKSON ROAD IS GOING TO CIRCLE INTO THIS SITE HERE AND THEN LOOP AROUND AND BETWEEN THE BANQUET HALL AND THIS PARKING .

>> ALL THE CHILDREN DISEMBARKING CARS WOULD BE IN THE UNLOADING

ZONE? >> YES ALL OF IT WOULD BE IN

THIS ZONE BACK HERE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, APPRECIATE

THAT. >> YES, COMMISSIONER HERMAN?

>> I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS FOR MR. SHAPIRO FOR TRAFFIC, ANY RESTRICTIONS BETWEEN OVERLAPPING OF EVENTS AT THE FUNERAL HOME AND THE SCHOOL? LIKE THE EVENT HALL AND THE SCHOOL?

>> WE DID NOT LOOK AT THAT, AS PART OF THE EVALUATION, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND TO ASK THE APPLICANT. IT COULD BE A STIPULATION TO CONSIDER.

>> THANK YOU. >> YES, COMMISSIONER OVERHAUL.

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>> I THOUGHT OF ONE OTHER THING. I'VE GOT SEVEN GRANDCHILDREN SO I HAVE BEEN TO A LOT OF SCHOOL EVENTS OVER THE YEARS. I HAVE NOT BEEN TO ONE SCHOOL THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE GYMNASIUM OPEN OFTEN IN THE EVENING , YOU KNOW FOR SPORTS EVENTS , BASKETBALL, PLAYS , DANCE AND THINGS AND I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE GYM IS GOING TO SIT NOT BEING USED SO THE BANQUET HALL CAN USE THE PARKING, THAT IS UNREASONABLE.

>> THANK YOU. >> IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AND WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU MAY DO SO AT THIS TIME. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS, I AM WITH ANDY ASSOCIATES, THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THIS PROJECT SO I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS

FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? >> YES, COMMISSIONER DOYLE.

>> CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY STAFF MEMBERS YOU ANTICIPATE

HAVING ? >> ONE MORE TIME.

>> HOW MANY STAFF MEMBERS YOU ANTICIPATE?

>> I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD HAVE TO ASK.

>> THAT'S FINE I WILL BE HERE UNTIL IT'S OVER.

>> MY NAME IS AND I AM ONE OF THE BOARD DIRECTORS. WHAT WAS

THE QUESTION? >> HOW MANY STAFF MEMBERS ON A

DAILY BASIS >> INITIALLY WE ARE PLANNING TO

HAVE 25 TO 30. >> OKAY.

>> INITIALLY THE PLAN IS TO START THE ELEMENTARY FROM THE KINDERGARTEN ALL THE WAY SO THAT WOULD BE STARTING DAY SCHOOL.

>> WHERE DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE 800 STUDENTS COMING FROM

GEOGRAPHICALLY? >> THIS IS WHAT WE KNOW CARROLLTON HAS BEEN A VIBRANT CITY. AND PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF I WOULD SAY THE STATE, PEOPLE ESPECIALLY IN DALLAS, TEXAS BECAUSE OF THE EVERYTHING WE HAVE SEEN A BIG DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS THAT HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE MOVED INTO DALLAS, TEXAS. THAT IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATING AS WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE LAST FIVE YEARS BEING HERE IN THE AREA SO THAT MAY BE IN THE FUTURE WE WILL HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SOMETHING LIKE 800 IN THE FUTURE. AS WE MENTIONED WE ARE PLANNING TO START INITIALLY OUR ELEMENTARY TO HYBRID AND THEN WE PLAN TO ADD EACH YEAR , ONE

GRADE IN THE FUTURE. YES SIR. >> OKAY. YOU ARE AWARE THE CARROLLTON FARMERS BRANCH IS CLOSING SCHOOLS.

>> YES. >> TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE NEED

FOR THE SCHOOL. >> SCHOOL ALWAYS YOU CAN SEE WHEREVER WE GO THERE IS THE SCHOOL BECAUSE OF THE GOOD EDUCATION AND I BELIEVE EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IS DOING A WONDERFUL JOB, SINCE WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS CARROLLTON AREA THE LAST 25 YEARS AND WE HAVE SEEN DEMAND FROM THE COMMUNITY YOU HAVE A PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR THE KIDS. SO THAT IS WHY WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THIS SCHOOL MANY YEARS. WE KNOW THE PROJECT IS KIND OF LATE BUT THERE IS A DEMAND OF THE SCHOOL FROM THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY FROM CARROLLTON AND NEARBY VICINITY SO THAT'S WHY WE PLAN TO START SCHOOL.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. ANOTHER QUESTION, DO YOU OPERATE OTHER SCHOOLS OR JUST STARTING FROM SCRATCH?

>> THIS IS FROM SCRATCH. WE HAVE A SUNDAY SCHOOL IN THE MOSQUE AND WE BEEN RUNNING THE SUNDAY SCHOOL MANY YEARS AND THIS IS

FROM SCRATCH THE FIRST TIME. >> OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> IS COMMISSIONER HERMAN. >> THINK I WILL ASK MY QUESTION AGAIN ABOUT THE CROSSOVER PARKING BETWEEN THE FUNERAL HOME AND THE SCHOOL. ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ANY SEPARATION?

>> WE HAVE PARKING FOR THE FUNERAL HOME IN OUR CALCULATIONS , SO WE HAVE SCHOOL PARKING , PARKING FOR SCHOOL AT THE SAME TIME PARKING FOR THE FUNERAL HOME SO THERE IS NO OVERLAPPING.

>> OKAY DON'T SEE IT BUT THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONERS, AND OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING BUT I DO HAVE QUITE A FEW COMMENT CARDS. I HAVE MOST OF THEM ARE NONSPEAKING REQUEST. AND I'M GOING TO READ THE NAMES OFF AND SAY WHETHER THEY ARE FOR OR AGAINST . THE FIRST PERSON WISHES NOT TO SPEAK . THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF. THE NEXT PERSON THAT I HAVE THAT IS IN SUPPORT IS , NEXT PERSON I HAVE WHO WISHES TO NOT SPEAK BUT IS IN OPPOSITION IS SHEILA HUTCHINSON. NEXT PERSON I HAVE IN OPPOSITION WHO DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK IS KATHY CONNELL. THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES NOT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF IS , THE NEXT PERSON WHO IS IN SUPPORT, NOT SPEAKING IS THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES NOT TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN SUPPORT IS, THE NEXT PERSON IN SUPPORT WISHING NOT TO SPEAK IS NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES NOT TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION IS SALLY AND THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES TO NOT SPEAK IN OPPOSITION IS PAUL PHILLIPS NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES NOT TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT IS THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES TO NOT SPEAK, BUT IS IN SUPPORT IS , THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES NOT TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION IS BRANDY KENNEDY. THE NEXT PERSON IN OPPOSITION WISHING NOT TO SPEAK IS DARLENE HOWELL. NEXT PERSON WISHING NOT TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION IS APOLOGIZE FOR THAT ONE. THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES TO NOT SPEAK AND THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION IS PERSON WHO WISHES TO NOT SPEAK AND IS OPPOSED IS CARDS THAT I DO HAVE WHERE PEOPLE WISH TO SPEAK, THE FIRST PERSON IS IAN MCPHERSON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND PLEASE NOTE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS IAN MCPHERSON, 2527 MY NAME IS IAN MCPHERSON, 2527 STANTON COURT, CARROLLTON MY NAME IS IAN MCPHERSON, 2527 STANTON COURT, CARROLLTON, TX. I AM IN OPPOSITION TO ANY INCREASE OF ANY ISLAMIC ENDEAVORS. THE REASON IS, I CONSIDER WE ARE IN A UNSTATED WAR BETWEEN ISLAM AND OUR CULTURE. SPECIFICALLY JUDEO-CHRISTIAN. IF YOU READ THE KORAN IT STARTS OFF PEACEFULLY AT THE BEGINNING. AS IT PROCEEDS IT GOES INTO WHEN YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT STRENGTH , THEN TAKE OUT YOUR SWORDS AND TAKE OFF YOUR HANDS. THAT IS HOW ISLAM WORKS, THEIR PURPOSE IS TO TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE WORLD. I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING IT AN ENLARGED SPACE IN MY CITY THAT IS GOING TO FOMENT A LOT OF THIS. WHY IS THERE A PRIVATE SCHOOL? MAYBE FOR SOME SERIOUS TEACHING FOR THEM TO CONSIDER

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>> THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS IS MARCY A BARNETT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE NOTE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

>> MY ADDRESS IS 1007 1007 WILSHIRE DR. IN CARROLLTON JUST NORTH OF THE AREA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT , GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I AM HERE BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSAL TO REBUILD OR EXTEND THE EXTENT THE EVENT CENTER AND SCHOOL HERE IN CARROLLTON LET ME LAY OUT WHY THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY. FIRST, TRAFFIC, THE AREA IS ALREADY A NIGHTMARE DURING RUSH HOUR ON WEEKENDS ADDING EVENT CENTER THAT HOSTS GATHERINGS WEDDINGS FESTIVALS PLUS A FUNERAL HOME AND A SCHOOL WITH DROPPING AND PICKING UP KIDS HAVE A SCHOOL JUST NORTH OF THERE AND WE ARE ALSO CLOSING SCHOOLS AND I THINK IT IS REALLY UNNECESSARY , THIS RECIPE IS FOR GRIDLOCK LOCAL STUDIES SHOW PEAK CONGESTION AND THE AREA OF SPIKES 30% ON WEEKDAYS AND WE DON'T NEED MORE CARS CLOGGING UP THE AREA I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT JACKSON MOSTLY BUT I LIVE OFF OF OLD THE DENTON ROAD PASSING THE INTERSECTION AND AT THE CONGESTION IS REALLY BAD EVEN JUST SOUTH OF THE TOLLWAY TO TRINITY MILLS IT IS WORSE THERE SO JACKSON IN THAT AREA IS A CONCERN. I KNOW THEY HAVE DONE STUDIES BUT THE STUDIES THAT HAVE DONE MORE ON JACKSON THAN IT HAS DENTON SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT PLEASE, SECOND, ZONING LAWS THE SITE IS OWNED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL, SPANNING THESE PUSHES PAST WHAT IS ALLOWED WITHOUT A MAJOR VARIANCE, SO I KNOW THAT'S WHY THEY ARE HERE THEY WANT A VARIANCE ON SOME OF THESE THINGS THESE DO NOT COME EASY THEY DISRUPT NEIGHBORHOOD BALANCE BUSINESS IS NEARBY RELY ON QUICK ACTION NOT SCHOOL BUSES AND FUNERAL PROCESSIONS. SLOWING EVERYONE DOWN, WE HAVE A FUNERAL HOME BLOCKS AWAY ON THE OTHER CORNER IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. THEY ARE A NOISE AND CULTURAL HARMONY, EVENT CENTER SPRING LOUD MUSIC, LATE-NIGHT EVENTS, PARKING CHAOS, SPILLING INTO RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND BUSINESS AREA A FUNERAL HOME MEANS DAILY TRAFFIC GATHERINGS AND MAYBE EVEN OTHER NOISE AND EVENTS, NOTHING AGAINST FAITH BUT THIS AREA IS MOSTLY HOMES AND SMALL BUSINESSES IT IS NOT THE VIBE AT A SCHOOL THERE IS A MUSLIM SCHOOL AT ROSEMAN AND OLD DENTON ROAD WE JUST CLOSED THE MCCOY SCHOOL NOT THREE BLOCKS AWAY SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN CONSIDERATION. IN ADDITION, THE CONCERNS ARE NO NEARBY PEDESTRIAN PATH OR CROSSING GUARDS, TUCKING KIDS CROSSING THE BRIDGE IS PART OF OLD DENTON WROTE EVEN THOUGH YOU COME IN FROM JACKSON THERE IS GOING TO BE KIDS AND EVERYTHING ON OLD DENTON ROAD. SO IT IS DANGEROUS EVEN WITHOUT MORE CONSTRUCTION SO LOOK I RESPECT EVERYONE'S BELIEFS BUT THE PLAN PRIORITIZES A FEW OVER THE MANY. LET'S KEEP KELTON BALANCED, HOMES NOT INSTITUTIONS THAT STRAIN ROADS AND PEACE. LET'S VOTE NO ON THE EXPANSION, PLEASE.

>> THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION IS PAUL KRAMER.

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>> PAUL KRAMER. IN CARROLLTON. WITH ALL THAT HAS GONE ON IN THE COUNTRY RECENTLY THERE IS A LARGE CONCERN AMONG A NUMBER OF LONGTIME CARROLLTON RESIDENTS WHO INFORMED ME OF THE ISSUE RECENTLY, THEY ASKED ME TO BE HERE TO BE THEIR VOICE. MANY COMPARE THIS TO THE EPIC CITY DEBACLE AND WONDER IF THERE SHOULD BE STATE AND FEDERAL OVERSIGHT OR REVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN LIGHT OF WHAT WENT ON WITH THAT PROJECT. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE POPULATION AND WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF MUSLIMS BASED ON THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE FROM A WEEK AGO THE MUSLIM POPULATION AVERAGES 1% IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA. WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES WHAT DOES THIS PROJECT DO TO HELP THE OTHER 99%? HOW DOES IT FIT US? I'M ASSUMING THESE FACILITIES SCHOOL ENTERTAINMENT CENTER FUNERAL HOME ET CETERA ARE PRIVATE, ARE GOING TO BE PRIVATE IF SO THE PUBLIC HAS NO ACCESS WITH NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER FOR THE PROJECT FOR THE GREATER COMMUNITY. KEEP THAT IN MIND, LOCATION NEXT TO WATER TREATMENT FACILITY WHICH I'M TOLD HAS DANGEROUS CHEMICALS. IF THOSE ARE BROADCAST COULD BE LETHAL AS FAR AWAY AS ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE MOSQUE IS OR WHERE THE LOCATION IS. ANOTHER ISSUE IS BUILDING HEIGHTS. THERE WAS A VARIANCE GIVEN TO RAISE THE ROOF TO 45 FEET AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY CODE OF 35 FEET WE THINK THE CITY CODE SHOULD BE APPLIED WITHOUT VARIANCE. WE WOULD, IN CONCLUSION WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BOARD TABLE THE VOTE UNTIL A LATER TIME WHEN SOME OF THESE ISSUES CAN BE RESOLVED AND QUESTIONS ANSWERED MORE FULLY. THANK YOU.

>> THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION IS TOM WASHINGTON. PLEASE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> THANK YOU DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MY NAME IS TOM WASHINGTON, 40 YEAR RESIDENT OF CARROLLTON, 1805 COUNTRYSIDE IN THE OLMSTED SUBDIVISION IN CARROLLTON. I RECENTLY GOT COMMUNICATION I AM IN OPPOSITION TO THE EXPANSION REQUEST . ORIGINALLY GOT COMMUNICATION FROM CONGRESSMAN BRANDON GILL WHO REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING RECENTLY WHEN HE RELEASED COMMUNICATION DECEMBER 1 ABOUT A FATAL AMBUSH IN WASHINGTON D.C. OF TWO ARMY NATIONAL GUARD MEMBERS PATROLLING THE CAPITAL CITY TO BACKUP THE WASHINGTON D.C. POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO WERE NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE. THIS KILLING OF A NATIONAL GUARD MEMBER WAS BY SURPRISE WITH NO WARNING. DONE BY ISLAMIST WHO HAD ONCE BEEN A TRUSTED ALLY OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IN AFGHANISTAN. AS THE PERPETRATOR WAS KILLING OUR TROOPS HE SHOUTED THE ISLAMIC GOD NOT THE SAME AS THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN GOD REMINDS THE INFIDELS THAT THE ISLAMIC IS THE GREATEST GOD WHICH MAKES THIS A RELIGIOUS KILLING AN ACT OF TERRORISM. FOR THE CONJUGAL GOVERNMENT THE PERPETRATOR WAS A FRIEND AND ALLY UP TO THE POINT THAT HE WASN'T. THE CONSTITUTION GUARANTEES RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN THE UNITED STATES WHICH ALLOWS THE PEACEFUL PRACTICE OF RELIGION OF ALMOST ANY KIND INCLUDING ISLAM. THIS RELIGIOUS FREEDOM STOPS WITH JIHAD, WE HAVE ISLAMIC NEIGHBORS IN CARROLLTON WHO WE TRUST. HOW DO WE REACH A BALANCE KNOWING THE GRAND URGING THE KILLING OF NONBELIEVERS IN ISLAM? BESIDES THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THAT ARE OBVIOUS ON THIS SITE , IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE OVERUSED TO THE MAX BY A GROUP THAT DOES NOT SIMULATE AND THIS IS WHY THEY NEED SO MANY THINGS PACKED IN A SMALL AREA IT IS NOT A GOOD USE OF THE SITE, I THINK THE PRESENT DENSITY IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO STAY. ALSO WITHIN A SHORT DISTANCE OF THE SITE IS A PRIME TARGET FOR TERRORISM , THE DALLAS WATER UTILITY TREATMENT CENTER IS THE SECOND-LARGEST OF

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>> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION IS CINDY HILTON . PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

>> MY NAME IS CINDY HILTON , 1841 POST OAK LN., LONGTIME RESIDENT OF CARROLLTON. ALSO AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. THE OFFICE PRECINCT CHAIR. I AM HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK AGAINST ALL OF THE REZONING AND ALL OF THE BUILDINGS TO BE BUILT WHICH INCLUDE THE ISLAMIC EVENT CENTER AND ISLAMIC SCHOOL AND DAYCARE.

A FOUR-STORY MULTI-USE ISLAMIC OFFICE BUILDING AND ISLAMIC FUNERAL HOME. I NOTICED IN THE DRAWINGS OF THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY DO NOT INCLUDE THE MOSQUE SHAPED DOMES , PART I'M SURE THEY WILL BE ADDED. AS A DECORATION WHERE NO ONE CAN OPPOSE IT , TO MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. AS IS THE MUSLIM CUSTOM . ST. MARY'S ORTHODOX CHURCH IS LOCATED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MULTIPLE MOSQUE DON'T BUILDINGS, ST. MARY'S IS A VERY LARGE CHURCH WITH MULTIPLE PREDOMINANT CHRISTIAN CROSSES AND THE CHURCH HAS BEEN THERE FOR 21 YEARS. 21 YEARS OF SERVICE. MY SON AND I HAVE A GOOD FAMILY FRIEND AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY ATTENDED THE CHURCH ON SPECIAL SERVICES THAT THEY HAVE HAD OVER THE YEARS. FIVE OR SIX SERVICES AND WE HAVE REALLY ENJOYED SEEING THE PARISHIONERS AND GETTING TO KNOW DIFFERENT FAMILY MEMBERS. BUT, I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT FEEL SAFE AT ALL WITH THESE MULTIPLE MOSQUE BUILDINGS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. I WOULD NOT FEEL SAFE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, I WOULD NOT FEEL SAFE GETTING OUT OF MY CAR WHEN I PARK IN THE PARKING LOT, I WOULD NOT FEEL SAFE WALKING UP TO THE FRONT DOOR AND I WOULD NOT FEEL SAFE INSIDE OF A SERVICE WONDERING IF A BULLET IS GOING TO COME THROUGH A STAINED-GLASS WINDOW. LOOK NO FURTHER THAN OCTOBER 7. LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THE GENOCIDE TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW IN NIGERIA. OR THE THANKSGIVING ATTACK AND MURDER OF A NATIONAL GUARD MEMBER. I HAVE EVEN SEEN THE VIDEO OF THE MUSLIM MOSQUE FOLLOWER IN A CAR PHONE IN DALLAS THEY DID NOT SAY WHERE. PUT ON A CAR PHONE SAW THE VIDEO, SAME GUY THAT WAS ARRESTED AND HE WAS STATING.

>> START WRAPPING IT UP PLEASE. >> HAPPENED ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.

>> MEM START WRAPPING UP PLEASE IT'S BEEN THREE MINUTES.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY PLEASE VOTE NO ON THE REZONING AND NO TO ALL THE BUILDINGS. WE DON'T HAVE IN TEXAS SO WE DON'T NEED TO EXPAND ANYMORE FOOTPRINT PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING PLEASE

VOTE NO. THANK YOU. >> NEXT PERSON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR IS PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU.

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>> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO MAKE COMMENTS OR OPINION KNOWN MAY COME FORWARD AND DO SO AT THIS TIME PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

>> I LIVE 20 -- WHEN IT WAS STACY FRANCIS I LIVE AT 2025 WHEN IT WAS STACY FRANCIS I LIVE AT 2025 VISTA CREST DR. IN NORTH CARROLLTON. SADDENED OF WIRED I AM HEARING TONIGHT SO I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS. WE ARE COUNTRY THAT'S PLURALISTIC , WE HAVE FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO STAND HERE AND SEE WHAT THEY FEEL YOU CANNOT TELL ANOTHER FAITH BECAUSE LESS THAN 5% OF THE PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE IT THAT THEY ARE NOT WELCOME BUT THERE ARE VALID CONCERNS WHETHER ABOUT PARKING OR TRAFFIC , THOSE ARE UNDERSTANDABLE AND TO GO BACK TO THE CITY FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION TO HELP OUR CITIZENS MOVE FORWARD, BUT TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON SOMEONE'S FAITH SOMEONE ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR SOMEONE ELSE DID WRONG IS TERRIBLE AND I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE CITY OF CARROLLTON IS BETTER THAN THAT.

>> IF YOU WISH TO COME FORWARD YOU MAY DO SO, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD PLEASE. >> AUSTIN JENSEN 4222 OVER CREEK DRIVE. YEAH, I MEAN HEARING SOME PRETTY UPSETTING AND DISTURBING THINGS. WHENEVER YOU THINK ABOUT RELIGIOUS TEXT LIKE THE QURAN YOU EXPECTED TO BE FULL OF PEACE, BUT LISTEN TO THIS. IF YOUR OWN FULL BROTHER OR SON OR DAUGHTER WE ARE BELOVED WIFE OR INTIMATE FRIEND ENTICES YOU SECRETLY TO SERVE OTHER GODS WHOM YOU AND YOUR FATHERS HAVE NOT KNOWN GODS OF ANY OTHER NATION NEAR AT HAND ARE FAR AWAY FROM ONE END OF THEIR TO THE OTHER YOU KNOW YOU TO LISTEN TO HIM NOR LOOK WITH PITY UPON THEM TO SPREAD THE SHIELD, BUT KILL HIM. I MEAN I'M SO SORRY I GOT A LITTLE MIXED UP THAT'S NOT THE QURAN THAT IS FROM THE BIBLE. MY NOTES ARE MESSED UP GUYS I'M SORRY. HERE WE GO.

EVERY GO YES. OKAY HERE WE GO. I'VE GOT THE ONE I WANTED HERE.

HERE WE GO. WHEN THE LORD GIVES YOU VICTORY IN BATTLE AND YOU TAKE PRISONERS YOU MAY SEE AMONG THEM A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN THAT YOU LIKE AND WANT TO MARRY, TAKE HER TO YOUR HOME WHERE SHE WILL SHAVE HER HEAD, CUT HER FINGERNAILS, CHANGE YOUR CLOTHES SHE'S TO STAY IN YOUR HOME AND MOURN FOR HER PARENTS A MONTH AFTER THAT YOU MAY MARRY HER LATER IF YOU NO LONGER WANT HER.

YOU ARE TO LET HER GO FREE SINCE YOU FORCED HER TO HAVE INTERCOURSE WITH YOU YOU CANNOT TREAT HER AS A SLAVE AND SELL HER. GOD ANOTHER BIBLE , THAT'S ANOTHER BIBLE ONE OKAY. I THINK WHAT I'M DRIVING AT HERE IS WE REALLY SHOULD NOT BE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON RELIGIOUS TEXT OF ANY KIND LIKE THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER MENTIONED, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT MAKE DECISIONS THAT WAY. TAKING ONE EXAMPLE OF VIOLENCE IN ANY STATE LIKE THIS AND APPLYING TO ENTIRE POPULATION IS UNCONSCIONABLE. AND YEAH, IF YOU HAVE GOOD REASONS TO ALTER , AMEND OR TABLE THE PROJECT, WHATEVER IT IS, BE IT INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC SAFETY, NON-XENOPHOBIC PUBLIC SAFETY OF COURSE. DEFINITELY DO THAT, BUT TO MAKE THE DECISION BASED ON PURELY IDEOLOGICAL XENOPHOBIC REASONS, THAT WOULD MAKE ME FRANKLY ASHAMED TO LIVE HERE SO YES, WE ARE SOCIETY, WE ARE COMMUNITY THAT WORKS BETTER WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER AND OSTRACIZING PEOPLE AND CALLING THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION YEAH, I CANNOT GET ON BOARD WITH THAT. I'M NOT IN OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT OF THIS I AM IN SUPPORT OF YOU MAKING DECISIONS FOR THE CORRECT REASONS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, PLEASE NOTE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> HI, THANK YOU. I WAS HERE EARLIER FOR THE PROPOSITION. I LIVE AT 2007 2007 CREEK BLUFF CIR. IN CARROLLTON AND I WAS NOT PLANNING TO SPEAK TODAY BUT I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO SOME OF THE HATE BEING THROWN AT OUR CARROLLTON RESIDENCE. I WAS RAISED IN CARROLLTON, I AM PROUD

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>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE

THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> HON. COMMISSIONERS MY NAME IS , LIVE ON 1006 VILLA BROOK TRAIL CARROLLTON TEXAS SEVEN YEARS AGO I MOVED FROM NEW YORK I LIVED IN NEW YORK 30 YEARS, THE CITY WHERE ALL COMMUNITIES AND DIVERSIFIED PEOPLE ARE LIVING.

FOR COMING HERE I DID RESEARCH AND FOUND CARROLLTON IS THE ONLY CITY WHERE ALL THE COMMUNITIES ARE LIVING THERE IN A DIVERSIFIED TOWN WITH SO MUCH PEACE AND PEOPLE LOVE EACH OTHER. I STUDIED THIS AND INTENTIONALLY CHOSE TO COME HERE AND BUY A HOUSE CLOSE TO THE PROJECT WHERE WE ARE CONSIDERING THIS ONE. IS A BIG SURPRISE FOR ME THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT ISLAM A PHOBIA. IN EVER THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IN MY OWN TOWN AND MY OWN HOUSE, THE CITY HAS SIX ISLAMIC CENTERS. I'VE NEVER HEARD IN THE LAST 30 YEARS ANY ISLAMIC CENTER, ANY TERRORISTS COMING OUT OF HERE, ANY CRIME IN AN THOSE CENTERS, THIS IS A PEACEFUL COMMUNITY. WE ARE PROFESSORS TEACHING IN HONORABLE UNIVERSITIES. WE HAVE MUSLIM DOCTORS. WE HAVE MUSLIM ENGINEERS, WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING EVERYWHERE AND WE ARE CONTRIBUTING. ESPECIALLY THESE ISLAMIC CENTERS IF THEY ARE PUTTING UP THE SCHOOL JUST THINK THEY'RE TAKING THE BURDEN OFF THE SOCIAL SYSTEM. WHEN ONE SCHOOL IS RUNNING HOW MANY KIDS ARE BEING TAUGHT IN THAT SCHOOL WHICH THE SOCIAL SYSTEM HAS TO TEACH? I SAW IN THIS PARTICULAR BECAUSE I GO OVER EVERY FRIDAY, I HAVE SEEN THE MEDICAL CLINICS OVER THERE FOR THE POOR PEOPLE CANNOT RUN. HAVE SEEN THE PEOPLE COME WITH EVICTION NOTICES AND THE CENTER HELPS THEM PAY MONEY SO THEY ARE NOT ON THE STREET.

LOOK AT THE WORK THEY'RE DOING, THIS SOCIAL BURDEN THEY HAVE ALREADY PICKED UP THAT I WANT TO EXPAND AND DO IT THAT MAGNITUDE I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THEM, THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN MY NAME IS AND AGAIN I WILL SUPPORT ONE OF MY BROTHERS WHO JUST SPOKE BEFORE ME. WE CAME OVER HERE FOR A VERY GOOD REASON AND THE REASON IS ONLY TO BE AT SCHOOL AND WE LEARNED IN OUR WHOLE LIVES THE MOORE SCHOOL WE HAVE IN THE CITY, THE MORE EDUCATION THE MORE LIGHT WILL BE SPREAD AMONG THE PEOPLE AND PEOPLE IN ONGOING GENERATION AND FUTURE GENERATION WILL BE IN SAFE HANDS ISLAM IS A REGION OF PEACE AND THAT'S WHAT THE QURAN ALWAYS TEACHES AND ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL WORDS OF THE QURAN IS CHAPTER 5 VERSE 32 GOD SAID IF YOU SAVE ONE LIFE YOU ARE , YOU HAVE SAVED THE WHOLE MANKIND. ONE OF THE VERY BEAUTIFUL WORDS FOR EACH AND EVERYONE INCLUDING US THAT WE ALWAYS BELIEVE. WHAT THIS MOSQUE HAS BEEN DOING IN THE AREA THE LAST 23 YEARS AND A WONDERFUL JOB EVERY SINGLE DAY WE SEE WE FEED EVERY DAY PEOPLE IN NEED AS HE JUST MENTIONED, WE HELP OUT, THIS MOSQUE HELPS HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE EVERY MONTH WHO HAVE EVICTION NOTICE AND I WAS READING THE GOOGLE ARTICLE LAST WEEK AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKING ONLY IN DALLAS COUNTY IN THIS YEAR THE COUNTY SHOULD 49,000 EVICTION NOTICES, THE HIGHEST NUMBER. PEOPLE COMING WE MUST HELP PEOPLE IN TERMS OF BEING , THEY HAVE A FAMILY, WE ALWAYS SEE THEM AS FAMILY AND WE HELP THEM OUT. WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY FROM WHAT YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THIS MOSQUE, THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR DALLAS COUNTY HAS CHOSEN THE MOSQUE TO BE ONE OF THE ELECTION CENTERS SO THIS HAS BEEN THE ELECTION CENTER AND PEOPLE HAVE COME, THEY WORK AND THAT'S THE BENEFIT , IT WENT

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>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE

THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> CLIFF GODDARD , 1723 HARTFORD DR. IN CARROLLTON. I CAME HERE TO FIND OUT SOME INFORMATION .

THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THEY START OUT WITH A SMALL UNIT AND THEN THEY ASKED TO INCREASE AND THEY ASK TO ADD MORE ON IT ABOUT THE EVENT CENTER, BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS YOU GUYS HAVE NOT FULLY , IN MY MIND HAVE FULLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS GOING ON DURING THIS PLANNING AND ZONING. ALL THE INCREASE AND STUFF GOING REALLY QUICK YOU KNOW THERE'S ONLY A FEW MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE WITH ALL THE STUFF GOING ON IN AMERICA TODAY WE HAVE GOT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GET A LITTLE DEEPER THAN WE WANT TO WITH NEIGHBORS , BUT RIGHT NOW THESE PEOPLE ARE UNDER A MICROSCOPE I'M SURE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE FINE PEOPLE. WE HAVE FINE PEOPLE ON OUR SIDE, BUT THIS HAS GOT TO BE LOOKED AT ON EIGHT ECONOMICAL ISSUE AND AS A EDUCATIONAL PERSON I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE PROFESSORS ARE TEACHING IN OUR COLLEGES AND HIGH SCHOOLS. EVERY MINUTE WE SEE SOME STUFF GOING ON. FOR THE COST AND KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON WE CANNOT JUST DOUBLE AND KEEP CONTINUING THIS STUFF WITHOUT MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT NEEDS AND WANTS. THEY SAY THIS IS A PRIVATE SCHOOL, THIS IS AMERICA.

WE SHOULD BE UNDER THE SAME SEMI EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM AND WE SHOULD NOT HAVE SEGREGATED TEACHINGS AND SEGREGATED THINGS GOING ON.

THE ISLAM PEOPLE ARE BEING HIT WITH FRAUD IN AMERICA, THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN KILLING OUR PEOPLE, SMALL PERCENTAGE MAKES IT LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY DOING IT BUT IT IS NOT THAT, BUT WE NEED MORE DETAILS BEFORE YOU ALL MAKE A DECISION. THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THREE

MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> THIS WILL BE SHORT WHEN IT WAS SHEILA HUTCHISON 2809 MIRAMAR DR. IN CARROLLTON. I WANT TO SAY MY SON GOES TO HARMONY AND I DID NOT KNOW HARMONY WAS A PRIVATE SCHOOL. IT HAS BEEN KNOWN AS A PUBLIC SCHOOL WHY IS IT STATED IT IS A PRIVATE SCHOOL? ALSO, THIS IS KIND OF HARD FOR ME, I DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS OR RELIGION FOR MY OWN SAFETY, BUT I AM KIND OF I HAVE MIXED EMOTIONS. I DID NOT COME HERE TO SPEAK BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY IS IT A PRIVATE SCHOOL OR IS IT A PUBLIC SCHOOL? THAT'S ALL I

HAVE TO SAY. >> SIR, YOU HAVE ALREADY HAD YOUR THREE MINUTES ALLOTTED TIME TO SPEAK. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME

AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> YES, 2134 CREEK BLUFF. I DID NOT KNOW THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA BUT LIKE MY NEIGHBOR I HAD TO GET UP AND SAY SOMETHING. I HAVE ANY CARROLLTON RESIDENT MY ENTIRE LIFE, I WENT TO SCHOOL OTHER PLACES, LIVED OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY KEEPS PULLING ME BACK. I DON'T THINK I WILL EVER LEAVE CARROLLTON AND I LOVE IT WITH ALL MY HEART I JUST REQUEST YOU MAKE THE DECISION BASED ON LEGITIMATE PLANNING FACTORS WHICH I FEEL YOU WILL DO. THE COMMENTS WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT CONCERN BEYOND TRAFFIC, THEY ARE SPEAKING ABOUT ISLAM AS IF IT'S FOREIGN, DANGEROUS OR UNFAMILIAR. AS SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO APPEAR I WENT TO SEE IF THE ISD, I HAVE GONE TO SCHOOL HERE I LIVE AMONG FAMILIES OF ALL BACKGROUNDS, THIS IS NOT WHAT CARROLLTON IS AND IT IS NOT WHO WE SHOULD BECOME. I WOULD URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSALS THE WAY YOU WOULD FOR

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>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THREE

MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> I DID NOT WANT TO SPEAK, BUT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT ISLAM AND EVERYTHING. HAVE A 14-YEAR-OLD SON , HE IS GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL. AND I AM FACING SOME PROBLEMS IN HIGH SCHOOL , FACING PROBLEMS LIKE HE IS A MUSLIM SO HE HAS SOME PROBLEMS WITH SCHOOL WITH SOME OTHER FRIENDS BUT I PROPOSED TO MY SON TO COME TO THE SCHOOL AND LEARN ABOUT ISLAM AND LEARN TEACHINGS OF MY ISLAM , MY COMMUNITY. THAT IS WHY I PROPOSED THE SCHOOL. THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE

THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> 4800 PRESCOTT DR.

>> 4800 PRESCOTT DR. I DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENTS PLANNED BUT I GOT HERE A MOMENT AGO FROM MIDLAND BUT I LIVE IN CARROLLTON. I WOULD ASK EVERY COUNCILMEMBER TO CONSIDER SERIOUSLY WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND IN ENGLAND AND IN FRANCE AND IN GERMANY AND IN SWEDEN. THERE IS A THING IN ISLAM, ONLY ENOUGH PEOPLE COMING WHO ARE NICE AND PRESENT THEMSELVES BUT THEY ARE ABLE TO LIE ON BEHALF OF THEIR RELIGION TO PROMOTE IT, TO HAVE IT SPREAD. SO, NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL MUSLIMS, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE CAUSED A GREAT AMOUNT OF PROBLEMS. IF WE LOOK AT DEARBORN, MICHIGAN, MINNEAPOLIS AND WE SEE THE LARGE SOMALIAN PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND THE BIG FRAUD THAT HAPPENED RECENTLY AND ALSO THEY COME TO SOCIETY AND THEY DO WANT TO CREATE LAWS WITHIN THAT, WE SEE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. I KNOW GOVERNOR AVID HAS MADE SOME LAWS AGAINST THE BEING PRACTICED BUT IT IS STILL PRACTICED AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT OVERTIME AS THE POPULATION GROWS AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A CALL TO PRAYER FIVE TIMES PER DAY ON A LOUDSPEAKER AND I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN TEXAS. AND THEN SOME SMALL, THEN MY CONCERN IS WITH SPEAKING QUITE OFTEN YOU CAN GO DOWN TO YOUTUBE AND SEE VIDEO AFTER VIDEO AFTER VIDEO OF JIHAD. THEY CAN SAY ISLAM MEANS PEACE IT IS NOT, IT MEANS SUBMISSION AND THEY WANT TO GET SUBMISSION TO CITIZENS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES TO CREATE A CALIPHATE ACROSS THE WORLD AND ACROSS TEXAS AND I CANNOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN IN TEXAS AND I HOPE WHEN YOU MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THIS FACILITY OF THE WHOLE AREA THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER REAL-WORLD RESULTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ACROSS THE WORLD , HAPPENING IN DEARBORN MICHIGAN, IN MINNEAPOLIS AND I ASK YOU NOT VOTE FOR THIS OR YOUR VOTE TO OPPOSE PLEASE THANK YOU.

>> AGAIN THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WHO HAS NOT COME FORWARD YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO AND SPEAK AT THIS TIME.

I DO NOT SEE ANYONE ELSE COMING. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. PLEASE NOTE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO

SPEAK. >> YES OR I LIVE IN APACHE LAKE 75010. I HAVE BEEN A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER. I PREFER STUDENTS FROM ALL THE MIX. IT IS JOYFUL TO SEE ALL CULTURES COME TOGETHER.

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>> AGAIN THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYONE HAS NOT SPOKEN YET ONE MORE CHANCE TO COME UP AND SPEAK AT THIS TIME. THE APPLICANT, YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO COME FORWARD AND GIVE SHORT CLOSING REMARKS AT THIS TIME YOU JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

>> I AM THE ENGINEER FOR THIS PROJECT SO I DON'T TALK POLITICS OR RELIGION AND I'M NOT HERE TO TALK POLITICS OR RELIGION. AND I UNDERSTAND, I AM REQUESTING YOU ALL TO MAKE YOUR DECISION ON THE BASIS OF YOUR PLANNING PERSPECTIVE ENGINEERING. I KNOW IT WAS REVIEWED BECAUSE THE PIO WAS APPROVED SO I AM REQUESTING ALL OF YOU TO MAKE YOUR DECISION PLEASE ON THE BASIS OF THE ENGINEERING AND PLANNING PERSPECTIVE NOT ON THE BASIS OF RELIGION OR POLITICS THANK YOU

SO MUCH. >> ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION WITH FINAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF AT THIS TIME?

YES, COMMISSIONER. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT --

>> I AM ASKING FOR QUESTIONS NOT STATEMENTS RIGHT NOW. WE CAN HAVE THOSE COMMENTS LATER.

YES, COMMISSIONER DOYLE. >> TO THE APPLICANT , I HAVE COUNTED PARKING SPACES IN HERE AND I AM A MATHEMATICIAN SO I ENJOY THAT PART, 152 SPOTS, PREVIOUSLY STATED 25 TO 30 STAFF. CORRECT? THANK YOU. DID I HEAR THE NUMBER CORRECTLY? 600 MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL CHILDREN ANTICIPATED TO ATTEND?

>> WE HAVE TOTAL PRESCHOOL TOTAL 599 AND HIGH SCHOOL 259. WE HAVE A CHART IN SHEET NUMBER TWO IN THERE ARE CALCULATIONS.

>> THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS I WAS LOOKING FOR TRYING TO FIND A BREAKDOWN BETWEEN DRIVERS AND NONDRIVERS. HIGH SCHOOL HAS 259 POTENTIAL STUDENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. >> ANY OTHER FUN A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF OR APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? NO? ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION CONCERNING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX AT THIS

TIME? YES , COMMISSIONER? >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PLC 2025-126 AS A SIDE I'M SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING. WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS.

>> THAT IS WITH ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT THE EVENT CENTER CANNOT BE OPEN AT THE SAME TIME THE SCHOOL IS OPEN?

>> THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR ME. >> YES, COMMISSIONER PENDLETON.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT THIS BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN NOT BECAUSE OF ANY OTHER INFORMATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THE

MOTION. >> THANK YOU. MOTION WAS MADE AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PENDLETON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE CASE NUMBER PLZ 2025-126 IS THERE ANY FINAL

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VOTE? YES COMMISSIONER DOYLE. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE BEEN RUNNING THIS THROUGH AND LOOKING AT IT AND I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER SCHOOL TO CARROLLTON AND THE DENSITY OF THIS ESTABLISHMENT. I HAVE SEEN THE PROPERTY BEFORE. I AM NOT SURE THAT ALL OF THIS CAN FIT IN THERE AND IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY ON THAT INTERSECTION FOR THOSE REASONS I WILL BE VOTING

AGAINST IT. >> YES, COMMISSIONER KRAMER ?

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I CAN APPRECIATE WANTING TO HAVE THE SCHOOL , BUT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM. I THINK WE ARE TOO CROWDED WITH TOO MANY PEOPLE , TOO MANY THINGS GOING ON AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE. IF YOU HAVE JUST A SCHOOL ON THE PROPERTY THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT THING THE WAY IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED I CANNOT VOTE TO APPROVE.

>> YES, FIRST VICE CHAIR FOSTER ?

>> I ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERNS. FIRST FOR THE TRAFFIC. DROP OFF AND PICK UP TIMES AND SECOND I WORRY ABOUT THEY BIT OFF MORE THAN THEY CAN CHEW AS FAR AS DOING TOO MUCH ON THIS SITE AT ONE TIME. I DO NOT LIKE AND WOULD VOTE AGAINST STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR AS A MATTER OF RIGHT I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT COME UP AS SEP AND FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SEP INCREASING THE BUILDING HEIGHT SO I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST,

THANK YOU. >> YES, COMMISSIONER OVERHOLT.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN I SURE THOSE CONCERNS EXPRESSED WE WANT TO BE REMINDED EVEN IF THIS FAILS THEY STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SCHOOL THERE IS A SMALLER SCHOOL RIGHT NOW AND AS THEY GROW AND THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL THEY MAY COME BACK AND ASKED TO EXPAND. RIGHT NOW I AGREE IT IS A LITTLE TOO CROWDED AND I DON'T LIKE THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT IT OUGHT TO BE A SCHOOL CAMPUS ONLY. I WILL BE VOTING NO.

>> YES, COMMISSIONER? >> YES MR. COMMISSIONER. I , LIKE OTHERS HAVE BEEN CONCERNED, THE VIOLATION OF THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION GOING TO A TALL BUILDING TALLER THAN 35 FEET I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT IS PUT IN PLACE BY OUR ZONING ORDINANCE FOR OBVIOUS REASONS WE DON'T WANT TALL BUILDINGS ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, THREE-STORY BUILDING STARTS APPROACHING AT MINIMUM PROBABLY 45 FEET, IF NOT 50 OR MORE. SO, I CANNOT BE IN FAVOR OF IT FOR THAT REASON PLUS ALL THE OTHER THINGS BROUGHT UP.

>> THANK YOU. OKAY IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS LET'S MOVE TO A VOTE.

THE MOTION FAILS TO PASS UNANIMOUSLY , THE APPLICANT, YOU HAVE 10 DAYS FROM TONIGHT FROM THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A WRITTEN APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

I WAS JUST GIVING THEM A SECOND TO WALK OUT THE DOOR

>> CAN I ASK YOU ALL TO PLEASE LEAVE, THIS MEETING IS NOT OVER YET. THIS MEETING IS NOT OVER YET. SO, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME

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TO SHARE. >> YES, A COUPLE DAYS AGO ANY CITY COUNCIL MEETING DECEMBER 2. WANTED TO SUMMARIZE HOW COUNCIL TOOK ACTION ON CASES THAT THE COMMISSION HEARD IN NOVEMBER.

THE IP BE 9 , THE MULTIFAMILY RETAIL ON THE CORNER OF MARSH LANE AND HEBRON PARKWAY APPROVED BY COUNCIL VOTE OF 5-2. THE CLAW ARCADE ALSO IN THE CASE CENTER 121 WAS APPROVED, AS WELL.

TRINITY MILLS EXPANSION AT LEGION HOSPITAL ON RAEFORD ROAD AND TRINITY MILLS WAS APPROVED AND COUNCIL APPROVED THE BED AND BREAKFAST ZONING AMENDMENTS THAT YOU ALL HEARD LAST MONTH ALONG WITH REGULATIONS SEPARATE FROM ZONING, BUT REGULATIONS OF PROCEDURES AND LICENSING FOR THOSE AIRBNB OR BED AND BREAKFAST AND STRS CURRENTLY OPERATING LEGALLY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, SEE YOU NEXT YEAR, REMEMBER OUR MEETING IS NOW THE FIRST IF YOU WANT TO COME OF THE FIRST YOU CAN BUT IT'S ON THE EIGHTH BECAUSE IT FALLS ON THE HOLIDAY.

>> BIG SCREEN TV JANUARY 1. >> ANYWAY I WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF AND EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND LISTENING TO EVERYTHING WE HAD TO LISTEN TO AS ALWAYS YOU DO GOOD WORK AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A GREAT THANKSGIVING, DRIVE HOME SAFE. I

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