[***PRE-MEETING / EXECUTIVE SESSION***] [00:00:04] >> ALRIGHT. WELCOME, WELCOME TO OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. WORKSESSION FOR TUESDAY JULY 21. WE APPRECIATE OUR GUESTS HERE TONIGHT. COUNCIL AS WE ALWAYS DO WE'LL START ROLLING INTO OUR APPROVAL OF THE OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF WORKSESSION ITEMS. I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH SOME DETAILS WITH RESPECT TO PRIVATE ISABELLE AFTER THAT. WITH OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ITEMS 8 AND 9. >> I APOLOGIZE I CHANGED NUMBERING. >> TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES FROM THE PRIOR TWO MEETINGS. >> I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON ITEM TEN. THERE IS A MINOR SPELLING ERROR THAT WAS CAUGHT >> AS THE MOTION WILL BE STIPULATED AS ON THE DISCUSSION IT ITEMS >> THE APPOINTMENTS OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE SHEET THAT GOES WITH IT? >> SURE. >> I HAVE NOT HAD THEM BEFORE WHICH IS WHY THEY WERE NOT ADDED BEFORE. THEY WERE WITH ADDED NOW. >> AMEND IT AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE MINUTES. I'LL NOTE AND I SHOULD HAVE POINTED THIS OUT. COUNCILMEMBER FLEMING IS OUT. HE HAS A PERSONAL SITUATION THAT HAS COME UP SO COULD NOT BE HERE. ITEM NUMBER 11 CONSIDER AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ORDER NUMBER ONE WITH TECHNOLOGIES FOR RFP 23-043 SOFTWARE PROJECT IN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1180 AND INCREASING THE CONTRACT AMOUNT OF $72437 AND 50 CENTS. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THIS IS IN LINE WITH OUR ORDINANCE REGARDING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. OKAY. NUMBER 12 IS CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH CJA ENTERPRISE, LLP. AND EZELI E PURSUANT TO BID 26-029 FOR SAND AND GRAVEL SUPPLIES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $172,000 FOR A TOTAL THREE YEAR CONTRACT NOT TO EXCEED $516,000, THIS IS NORMAL COURSE IS A BULK ORDER BASICALLY THAT SUPPORTS THE EFFORTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. I'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 37 CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER AGREEMENT WITH TEACHER INSURANCE AND ANNUITY ASSESSEMNT OF AMERICA. PURSUANT TO RFP 26-001 FOR PLANNED RECORD KEEPING SERVICES FOR A TOTAL OF TEN YEAR CONTRACT. THIS IS A BIG DEAL. RIGHT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS CLEAR. THIS IMPACTS ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES. IT'S THEIR RETIREMENT AND ADMINISTRATION OF THEIR RETIREMENT PLAN, SO I WOULD, I'LL ASK MAYBE DAVIS OUR ASSISTANT MANAGER TO PROVIDE COMMENTS. >> SURE. WE'VE OFFER AND RETIREMENT OPPORTUNITY TO OUR EMPLOYEES SINCE THE EARLY 80S AND WE TAKE THIS RECORD KEEPING SERVICE OUT TO BID EVERY TEN YEARS AND WHEN WE DO IT WE INVOLVE EMPLOYEES TO EVALUATE IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR FIDUCIARY COMMITTEE AND LED BY MORGAN STANLEY WE WERE ABLE TO PUT OUT THE RFP A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO AND WE GOT FIVE RESPONSES AND USED THE EMPLOYEE COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE THOSE AND NARROWED IT DOWN TO THREE RECORD KEEPERS AND THEY INTERVIEWED AND IT WAS A UNANIMOUS DECISION FOR THE CITY TO MOVE AWAY FROM IC M ARC WHICH IS MISSIONSQUARE AND MOVE TO TI AASEN AND THAT IT WAS EMPLOYEE COMMITTEE THAT MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION. >> RETIREMENT SERVICE IN THE COMMERCIAL WORLD IS LIKE A 401 K FOR OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES AND PROVIDES THE EMPLOYEE SERVICES FOR THAT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I'M ASSUMING THAT WE CHOSE THE OTHER COMPANY BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER, BUT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRANSITION. WHO PAYS FOR THE FEES? I UNDERSTAND THE EMPLOYEES PAY FOR THE FEES? >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION BASED ON FUND INVESTMENT AND WE NEGOTIATE RATE BUT IT WAS A COMPETITIVE RATE AND WE TOOK SOME TIME TO HAVE THEM SHARPEN THEIR PENCIL TO MAKE SURE IT IT WAS BEST OPTION FOR OUR EMPLOYEES IN THAT TRANSITION. AS FAR AS SPECIFICS GO WE DO HAVE THE WINDOW OUR IFIDUCIARY REPRESENTATIVE FROM MORGAN [00:05:04] STANLEY BUT YES, THERE ARE DIFFERENT RATES THAT APPLY. >> THE TRANSITION THEY WILL PAY DOUBLE? >> NO. >> IS THERE A FEE TO THE TRANSITION? >> NO FEE TO TRANSITION JUST A FEE PER FUND SO WHAT YOU SELECT AS YOUR PERSONAL INVESTMENT HAS A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND THEY HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE PROVIDERS ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE OVERED. >> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR PRO TEM? >> THANK YOU MAYOR. WHAT'S THE COST FOR THIS NEW TEN YEAR CONTRACT? >> IT'S SOMEWHAT FUNDED BY THE FUND ITSELF SO THERE IS A USE FEE BASED ON THE VALUE OF THE FUNDS. >> IT GOES TO THE PARTICIPANT. I HAVE A 457 ACCOUNT EQUIVALENT TO 401 K WITHIN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND BASED ON WHAT I SELECT THERE ARE FEES TO MANAGE EACH FUND. >> NO DIFFERENT THAN A MUTUAL FUND YOU MIGHT INVEST OUT OF A RETIREMENT PLAN. THERE ARE LOAD BEARING FEES TIED INTO A FUND. >> OKAY. THEN I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHY WOULD IT BE IN A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM IF THERE'S NO COST TO US? >> IT IS A POLICY AND BID. >> BID HAS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. >> MY QUESTION WAS THERE A UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT ON IT AND THAT'S IMPORTANT SO THANK YOU. >> IT WAS CROSS TO DEPARTMENTAL. THIS IS TEN PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE CITY. >> TEN FROM TEN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS >> THANK YOU SO MUCH TO STAFF AND MORGAN STANLEY. I THINK WE SAID WE HAD SOMEONE HERE AND WE APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 14. CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT MOVEMENT WITH MISSIONSQUARE RETIREMENT EXTENDING THE EXISTING AGREEMENT FOR PLAN RECORD KEEPING FOR A PLAN NOT TO EXCEED 180 DAY, SO THIS IS THAT TRANSITION SO WE'RE EXTENDING IT SO THERE'S AN OVER LAP WHILE WE CONVERT THE PLANS. >> NEED TO MAP ALL THE FUNDS AND COMMUNICATE TO EMPLOYEES AND THEY NEED TIME TO TRANSITION AND WE HAVE TO GET IN LEADERSHIP WITH THE VENDOR AS TO THAT TRANSITION AND WORK A TIMEFRAME THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE. >> SOON TEAR BETTER THOUGH, RIGHT? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> NUMBER 15, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH AMERIT FLEET SOLUTIONS, INC. PURSUANT TO RFP 26005 FOR MANAGEMENT SERVICES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $2,710,036.59 ANNUALLY FOR THE FIRST FOUR YEARS FOR A TOTAL SIX YEAR CONTRACT NOT TO EXCEED $16,73 $16,737,501.42. SO THIS WAS ALSO A TEAM EFFORT IN TERMS OF REVIEWING AND DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT? >> THIS IS ALSO A PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH OUT SOURCE VENDOR FOR FLEET SERVICES AND USED AN EMPLOYEE COMMITTEE OF THE HIGH USER DEPARTMENT, SO FIRE, POLICE, PARKS, MAINTENANCE AND PUBLIC MAINTENANCE THEY ALL HAVE FLEETS AND DIVERSE EQUIPMENT SO THEY HELPED TO SELECT A VENDOR AND THEY SELECTED WHAT IS OUR CURRENT VENDOR AND THEY HAVE CHANGED NAMES RECENTLY SO MAY NOT LOOK LIKE WHO WE HAVE USED THE PAST BUT IT WAS ALSO A UNANIMOUS DECISION TO SELECT THIS VENDOR. >> THIS WAS A KEY THING FOR ALL OF OUR FLEETS BECAUSE NO TWO VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE CITY ARE USED THE SAME WAY. WE HAVE 24/7 FLEET AND CASUAL USE FLEETS SO IT WAS IMPORTANT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS WAS MET AND THE FACT THAT ALL DEPARTMENTS AGREED ON THIS WAS A BIG STEP, I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS DOCUMENTED. NANCY KLEIN? >> WE TOURED FLEET FACILITY LAST YEAR AND WE GOT TO SEE, BUT WE HEARD THAT SOMETIMES WE WERE SHARING PEOPLE WITH A DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITY. WERE THERE NEGOTIATIONS TO IMPROVE THE RESPONSIVENESS OR MOVEMENT OF STAFF? >> WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE EBT ON STAFF SO THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE TECH THERE'S HARD TO COME BY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THEM. THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY HAS A BOOK OF BUSINESS WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO SHARE SOME OF THEIR RESOURCES OUTSIDE OF OURS AND ONE DAY WE NEED SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT WE DON'T HAVE WE CAN BRING THAT IN AND VICE VERSA SO NOT SO MUCH THAT WE'RE LOANING OURS TO EVERYONE ELSE BUT THAT THEY HAVE ECONOMIES OF SCALE WHEN IT COMES TO STAFFING THAT THEY CAN TAP THAT RESOURCE IF NEEDED. [00:10:03] >> IT IS A SAME COMPANY BUT A DIFFERENT NAME? LESS TRANSITIONAL? >> IT SHOULD BE SEAMLESS. >> THANK YOU. >> LET ME START WITH SUTTER? >> I UNDERSTAND THERE WERE SITUATIONS BECAUSE WE WERE OUT SOURCEING WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES SO YA'LL FELT LIKE YOU WERE ABLE TO MITIGATE THAT WITH THIS BID AND WITH THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT THEY THINK THEY HAVE AN OPTION AND A PLAN TO HELP US IN THOSE SITUATIONS. >> I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE TECHNICIANS WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO WORK ON OUR EQUIPMENT ALSO THAT THEIR BOOK OF BUSINESS IS BIG ENOUGH THAT WE CAN BORROW A RESOURCE IN THE EVENT THAT WE NEEDED ONE. SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST MIGHT BE MORE RELATED TO THE AGE OF OUR FLEET THAN IT WAS TO THE AVAILABILITY OF A TECHNICIAN, AND THE COUNCIL HAS A VERY DELIBERATELY OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS IMPROVED THE AGE OF OUR CURRENT FLEET. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. >> THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO COMMENT SON IS WE DON'T OUT SOURCE ALONG WITH THE OTHER CITIES. OUR IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT THEY JUST HAPPEN TO SERVE OTHER CITIES SO THEY LEVERAGE ECONOMIES OF SCALE. JASON? >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED. THAT'S, IT'S NOT A FIXED AMOUNT THAT WE GIVE THEM EVERY YEAR? HOW DO THEY DETERMINE WHAT WE ACTUALLY GIVE? WELL IT SAYS AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED SO IS IT AN AMOUNT LESS THAN THAT? >> WE DO HAVE WHAT WE CALL TARGET AND NON-TARGET EXPENSE, SO THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO YOUR FLEET THAT ARE NOT REQUIRED BUT MAYBE PREFERRED AND SO THERE IS FLEXIBILITY BETWEEN OUR IN-HOUSE FLEELT MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT SO SAY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE DEPARTMENT IF THEY NEED TO OUTFIT A VEHICLE IN A CERTAIN WAY BUT THERE ARE NON-TARGET THINGS YOU CAN DO TO ENHANCE A VEHICLE OR MAKE IT MORE JOB READY FOR WHAT THEY ARE WORKING ON SO WE DO HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN THAT. >> OKAY. >> SORRY ONE MORE QUESTION. SO I'M HAPPY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET A NEW AGREEMENT AND WE'RE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE FLEET ISSUES THAT WE HAD FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT AND THERE WERE SPECIFIC SL A'S THAT WERE QUESTIONED AT LEAST TWO YEARS AGO THAT WE'RE WERE ADDRESSING AND I REALIZE SOME OF THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BY NEW EQUIPMENT OR VEHICLES, BUT I THINK WHAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US IS TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS DID WE ASK FOR BASED ON THE SHORTFALL WE HAD IN THE PAST AND THEN WHAT THEY WOULD, WHAT THEY ARE ADDRESSING. SO I KNOW WE HAD ISSUES SO WHAT THOSE ISSUES THAT WE BROUGHT TO THEM AND WHAT DID THEY COME BACK TO SAY WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES AND THEY ARE NOT A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD. >> WE USE THE HIGH USER DEPARTMENTS TO HELP WRITE THEM TO BEGIN IN THE BID DOCUMENT TO SAY WE WANT IT AT THIS LEVEL AND THEN BID APPROPRIATELY FROM THERE, SO THERE WERE SOME ADD ALTERNATE OPTIONS THERE FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE SO TO LOOK AT CHANGES OR POTENTIAL UPGRADES IN SERVICE AND SO IN THE END, I DON'T HAVE A LIST SPECIFICALLY OF HOW THE CONTRACT CHANGED RIGHT NOW BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE HEAVY USERS WERE ENGAGED IN HOW IT WAS WRITTEN FROM THE BEGINNING OF HOW MUCH TURN AROUND IS REASONABLE FOR THIS KIND OF THING. TURN AROUND IS A GREAT EXAMPLE BUT THEY WERE ENGAGED FROM BEGINNING TO SAY THESE ARE THE ELEMENTS TO BID ON IT THIS WAY >> THAT'S GREAT. I THINK THAT'S A LONG AS WE'RE ABLE TO SAY IT'S NOT SAME DEAL, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THE SAME SERVICE THAT WE HAD BEFORE. WE HAVE CHANGES TO THE AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HIGHER EXPECTATIONS OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE AND SL A'S CLEAR THAT IT'S BEEN TRANSPARENT WITH BOTH FIRE AND POLICE OR ALL THE OTHER MAINTENANCE VEHICLE, SO WE'RE GETTING BETTER THAN BEFORE AND THAT'S MY COMMENT. >> I THINK IT GOES BACK TO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE SECOND TIME YOU WRITE A CONTRACT THIS IS A PUBLIC BID, RIGHT SO VARIOUS PROVIDERS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BID ON THIS AND DID BUT THEY ARE BIDDING ON REQUIREMENTS AS DOCUMENTED THAT PRESUMABLY ARE ENHANCED FROM WHAT THE PRIOR CONTRACT WAS, RIGHT SO STAFF ACROSS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WROTE DOWN THE RFP REQUIREMENTS AND THAT WAS RESPONDED TO, AS WELL AS OPTIONS. >> WE ALSO LOOKED AT THAT FROM THE OPTIMIZED LENS OF YOU CAN KEEP GOING AND ENHANCE SERVICE TO A LEVEL THAT IT BECOMES [00:15:03] UNAFFORDABLE FOR US, AS WELL SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT. YOU ARE RIGHT WE DON'T HAVE FOLKS WAITING FOR A TRUCK. SO IT'S SCHEDULED IN A WAY BUT WE'RE ABLE TO INCREASE SERVICE WHERE IT IS REASONABLE AND COST EFFECTIVE AND MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE DEPARTMENT SO THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS BUT THE BIGGEST IMPACT IS JUST THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE FLEET HAS IMPROVES SIGNIFICANTLY NOT TO MENTION THEY THERE ARE PURPOSE BUILT SPECIFICALLY IN FIRE SO WHEN YOU THINK OF GETTING AN OIL CHANGE, REGULAR PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE IT TAKES 45 MINUTES TO DO PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE AND A FIRE TRUCK TAKES ABOUT A WEEK SO WHEN YOU ARE DOWN GOING PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE LIKE AN OIL CHANGE, THEY ARE DOWN FOR A WHOLE WEEK SO HAVING A BACK UP PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MAKES THE BIGGEST IMPACT PROBABLY MORE THAN SOME OF THE SL A'S DO. >> THIS COUNCIL PUT TOGETHER THOSE INTENTIONAL REDUNDANT FLEET VEHICLES. >> THANK YOU. NUMBER 16. CONSIDER AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH PRESTIGE BUILDING GROUP FOR THE DOWNTOWN SILOS EXTERIOR EAST SIDE PAINTING. 2026 IN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 112 THOUSAND. THIS IS AN ATV SET UP FOR $350,000 AND THIS IS THE $1 MILLION 12 THOUSAND FOR EFFECTIVELY THE INITIAL BASE CODE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE SILOS. ANY QUESTIONS? >> NUMBER 17 CONSIDER ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 73 TRAFFIC SCHEDULES, SCHEDULE ONE SECTION A6 OF THE CARROLLTON CITY CODE BY REMOVING 20 MILE-AN-HOUR ON COX STREET AND PERRY ROAD AND AMENDING SCHEDULE-I BY AMENDING 20 MILE PER HOUR SCHOOL SPEED ZONES ON COX STREET AND THIS IS TIED INTO SCHOOL CHANGES ASSOCIATED WITH I BELIEVE CARROLLTON ELEMENTARY THAT'S HAPPENING. >> WELL IN FARMERS BRANCH ELEMENTARY OPENS THIS IS AUTOMATICALLY EXPIRING. >> IT HAS TO BE AMENDED. >> WE'LL AMEND IT WHEN THAT CHANGES. >> THANK YOU. >> NUMBER 18, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT WITH DC C M INSPECTOR FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,364,810. COUNTRYSIDE IS OF COURSE FROM A RATING PERSPECTIVE ONE OF THOSE THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORK PLAN FOR WHILE. ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. NUMBER 19 CONSIDER RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE IN THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT FOR MR. TREESE RELATED TO CITY-WIDE WATER DISTRIBUTION MODELS IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $34500. WITH SOME OF THE GROWTH PARTICULARLY IN COLLIN THIS THE STUDY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT CAPACITY AS WE THINK FORWARD. NUMBER 20. 21 AND 22 ARE PUBLIC HEARING FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION AND WE'LL TAKE THOSE FROM THE DAIS BUT THERE IF THERE'S TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WE'LL THEM NOW OTHERWISE, FROM THE DAIS. >> THERE'S ONE. >> WE'RE PULLING 21. IT WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TONIGHT AND WILL BE BROUGHT BACK. >> ON 22 TO HEARING DATE IS STILL JULY 7TH. >> THAT WILL BE A MENDED. SO WHEN THIS MOTION IS PREPARED FROM THE DAIS WE'LL ASK THAT YOU MOVE TO APPROVE AS AMENDED OR HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE BUT IF YOU MOVE FOR APPROVAL MAKE IT MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. ALRIGHT WITH THAT, THAT TAKES US BACK TO THE WORKSESSION ITEMS AND THIS IS AN AGENDA THAT WAS PUBLISHED LAST WEEKEND SOME TIME SO WE'LL PIVOT AT THE DAIS WHEN WE GET TO THE REGULAR MEETING AND WE'LL HAVE SOME FINAL THOUGHTS BEFORE WE LEAVE HERE IN [***WORKSESSION***] TERMS OF SOME OF THE SEQUENCING BUT WITH THAT I'LL START WITH OUR WORKSESSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR. RECEIVE A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSS ALPINE X RFP ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF GEORGETOWN HOYAS AND IH 35 EAST DISTRICT 35 FORMER KNOWN AS THE NTTA SITE. ROBBY, THE FLOOR IS YOURS?AND I DISTRICT 35 FORMER KNOWN AS THE [00:20:03] NTTA SITE. ROBBY, THE FLOOR IS YOURS? >> TIME EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT. TODAY WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU AND I HOPE WE'RE ABLE TO ACCUMULATE THE VISION OF COUNCIL. AS PART OF CARROLLTON'S SUSTAINABILITY STRATEGY THE FORMER SITE WAS PURCHASED AS A GENERATIONAL DEVELOPMENT SITE IN LATE NOVEMBER OF 2022 IN AS IS CONDITION WITH LAND MASS OF APPROXIMATELY 121 ACRES. WHILE THE SITE HAS A LARGER ACREAGE OF FLOODPLAIN THAT I REFER TO AS NEGATIVE SPACE WITH THE CENTRAL LOCATION AND IT'S UNIQUE NATURE AND TOPOGRAPHY A DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY COULD BE POSSIBLE AND COMMISSION STAFF TO PERFORM AN ENGINEERING STUDY. THIS STUDY BEGAN IN OCTOBER OF 2023 AND PRE-LAME THEIR STUDY WAS RECEIVED A YEAR LATER IN OCTOBER OF 2024. AFTER WHICH THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED THE REPORT AND REQUESTED STAFF TO PUBLISH A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHRONOLOGIES SINCE THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY, STAFF AND THE TODD COMMITTEE AND THE DISTRICT COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN WORKING JOINTLY. THE COMMITTEE ENVISIONED THE OBJECTIVES WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT FORTH IN 2025. THE IDEA WAS TO CREATE A SUSTAINABLE AND VIBRANT DESTINATION DISTRICT, PROMOTE HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENHANCE VALUE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND HAVE A COORDINATED PLANNING OF LAND-USE IN THE 121 ACRES. ON TOP OF THAT WAS A VARIETY OF DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING A ONE OF A KIND ENTERTAINMENT VENUE FULL SERVICE HOTEL, CONFERENCE CENTER, RETAIL USE AND WITH SOME HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND OR OFFICE COULD BE CONSIDERED. SINCE THIS IS CORNER FROM THE TRINITY MILLS STATION THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO PUT IN A HIGH ENTERTAINMENT VENUE ON THIS SITE. WE RECEIVED THREE RESPONSES AND REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS WAS PUBLISHED IN AUGUST OF 2025. DISTRICT 35-E INTERVIEWED THE RESPONDENT ALPINE X RFP WHICH WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR AND RECOMMENDED THAT STAFF MEET WITH ALPINE X RFP AND GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. WITH THAT OVER THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS STAFF CONTINUED TO MEET WITH ALPINE X RFP AND GATHER THAT INFORMATION AND ON JUNE 15TH A MONTH AGO THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED A PRESENTATION FURTHER DISCUSSING THE RFP AND RECOMMENDED THIS ITEM BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND THE WORKSESSION. SHOULD THE COUNCIL GIVE THE'S UP THERE WILL BE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTAND AND THE PURPOSE WILL GIVE THE CITY AND THE MASTER DEVELOPER A FORMAL NON-BINDING FRAMEWORK TO A LINE ON VISION, EXPECTATIONS AND ROLES DETAILING PLANNING AND DUE DILIGENCE STUDY AND COORDINATION TO ENSURE BOTH PARTIES ARE ALIGNED BEFORE INVESTING SIGNIFICANT TIME AND RESOURCES INTO DRAFTING A DEFINITE AGREEMENT. WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE JOHN THE CEO OF ALPINE X RFP AND JIM CALDWELL CEO FROM THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND TOM WHO IS BOOTS ON THE GROUND HERE AND THE ENTIRE ALPINE X RFP THAT SITS BEHIND US. >> OKAY. AS THEY ARE MAKING THEIR WAY UP I'LL MAKE SOME PREVIEW COMMENTS. WE'LL HOLD QUESTIONS TO THE END AND LET THEM GET TO THE PRESENTATION AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THE WAY TO THINK ABOUT TONIGHT'S BRIEFING AS ROBBY INDICATED AUTHORIZATION TO PERCEIVE TO LEARN MORE, RIGHT? WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH OF WHAT WE DON'T KNOW YET SO THINK OF THIS AS KIND OF A NORMAL BRIEFING OF WHAT'S OCCURRED TO DATE AND WHAT THE PROJECT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. IT'S NOT GIVING THUMB'S UP ON THE PROJECT AS IT STAND BUT AUTHORIZATION TO CONTINUE TO STUDY AND REVIEW AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE AS TO A FINAL DECISION OR COULD BE A FEW OF THOSE STEPS BUT WITH THAT LET'S TURN IT OVER TO ALPINE X RFP. >> THANK YOU. I THINK OF IT IS MULTIPLE BITES OF THIS APPLE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WE'RE GOING TO START OFF I'M JOHN EMMORY THE CEO OF ALPINE-X.LY WHAT YOU WILL SEE [00:25:09] HERE IS OUR KIND OF RESPONSE TO THE CITY'S VISION. ROBBY MADE A COMMENT WE WERE WALKING TOWN STAIRS TODAY. WE'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY SO EVERYTHING YOU ARE SEEING HERE IS ALL PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. IT'S BEEN WITH US TWO YEARS NOW. WORKING WITH THE CITY TRYING TO HELP US HELP YOU EXECUTE THE VISION FOR THE CITY. ONE OF THE THINGS FROM AN ENTERTAINMENT STANDPOINT ALPINE X RFP IS THE ANCHOR. WE TRY TO CREATE DAILY DEMAND UNLIKE MAJOR EVENT SETTERS WHERE YOU HAVE PEEKS AND VALLEYS. HAVE A BIG EVENT ONE NIGHT AND NOTHING FOR TWO NIGHTS. WHAT THE CITY'S VISION IS AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE'RE CREATING THIS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT ALONG WITH HOUSING AND RETAIL AND OTHER THINGS THAT CREATE DAILY DEMAND WHICH IS GOOD FOR FULL-TIME EMPLOYMENT AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE GOING TO TALKING ABOUT TOURISM HERE IN A SECOND. ONE OF THE COMMON THEMES THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR NOT JUST IN TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION BUT EVERYONE ON STAFF HAS WORKED WITH US IS WHAT WE'RE DEVELOPING IS RESORT-STYLE DESTINATION. ACTIVE LIVING THAT'S REALLY DESIGNED FOR EVERYBODY. HISTORICALLY SNOW SUPPORTS RESORTS HAVE BEEN INTENTIONALLY EXCLUSIVE. ECONOMICALLY, GEOGRAPHICALLY AND THE ALPINE X RFP MODEL IS REALLY DESIGNED TO PROVIDE EXPERIENCES FOR EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY. EVERY PRICE POINT, EVERY LEVEL OF INTEREST. YOU ARE SEEING HERE IN THE WALK THROUGH, EVERYTHING IN HERE IS WALKABLE. THE PUBLIC SPACES. SO IT'S REALLY DESIGNED FOR LIVE, WORK KIND OF PHILOSOPHY. I JUST REALIZED I CAN SEE IT UP HE HERE. SO WHEN YOU ALL ASK FOR A UNIQUE ENTERTAINMENT EXPERIENCE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME WAS TOURISM. SO JIM CALDER AND I, CFO OF GREAT WOLF RESORTS REDEVELOPED GREAT WOLF LODGE AND IT WAS THE FIRST THAT WE BUILT WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. THE OTHER ONES HAD BEEN BUILT WHERE PEOPLE VACATION. PEOPLE DON'T MIND NOT DRIVING TWO OR THREE HOURS TO TAKE A DAY OR TWO TO DO SOMETHING FUN. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSES AGO BLENDED ENTERTAINMENT EXPERIENCE WHERE IF YOU ARE LOCAL YOU WILL SKI FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS. SUPER AFFORDABLE. YOU COME TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY AFTER SCHOOL OR WORK, REALLY AFFORDABLE, RIGHT SO WE HAVE SO MUCH CAPACITY WHEN WE BUILD THAT WE'RE OPEN 365 DAYS A YEAR SO WE HAVE ALL THIS CAPACITY AND WE USE THAT CAPACITY TO MAKE IT AN AFFORDABLE EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYBODY BUT WHAT IT DOES IS THE OVER HALF OF OUR ACTIVITY IS ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO BE SNOW SUPPORT, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE KNOWN FOR IT IN THE DISTRICT, BUT THE ACTIVITIES, THERE IS ACTIVITIES FOR EVERYBODY. THE PHILOSOPHY IS WE WANT FAMILIES AND GROUPS OF FRIEND, SO COME AND HAVE A SHARED BONDING EXPERIENCE, BUT PEOPLE CAN DO THEIR OWN THING WITHIN THAT EXPERIENCE. IF YOU ARE AT THE RESORT OR ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS IN THE DESK CITY NATION THERE'S SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE IN THAT MIX. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY IS TO COUPLE A STAND ALONE CITY OWNED CONFERENCE CENTER WITH THE RESORT. DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PART OF THE PROJECT BUT THE STATE WILL FUND AND CAN FUND CONFERENCE CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WE THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY TO CREATE THE STATE FUND AND ALPINE X RFP WOULD RUN IT'S THE OPERATOR AND IT CREATES INCREMENTAL REVENUE TO THE CITY BUT IT ALSO FILLS IN AGAIN, DAILY ACTIVITY SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT. MOST ENTERTAINMENT IS FOCUSED ON VACATION TIME AND WEEKENDS. WITH THE CONFERENCE CENTER THOSE ARE BUSY TYPICALLY MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. SO A CONFERENCE CENTER IS A [00:30:02] PERFECT COMPLIMENT TO CREATE EVEN DEMAND THROUGHOUT A MONTH OR YEAR TO SUPPORT ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND THE FULL-TIME JOBS. WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF PART TIME JOBS AND AMAZING OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO GET THEIR FIRST CAREER JOB IN HOSPITALITY BUT WE WANT STORES TO THRIVE. WE WANT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE CAREER LEVEL JOBS IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY. THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT. CREATE DEMAND EVERY DAY AND GET OUT OF SEASONALITY AND THE PEAKS AND VALLEYS YOU HAVE IF YOU ARE A MAJOR VENUE. BEFORE I JUMP INTO THIS, LET ME WRAP UP FROM THE VIDEO ABOUT TOURISM. THE IMPORTANT THING THE WAY WE VIEW TOURISM. I JUST GOT BACK FROM A TRIP AND A GUY THERE WAS A NATIVE AND THE PERU PEOPLE WERE SO POSITIVE ON TOURISM AND HE SAID IT SIMPLY STRUCK ME WITH THIS IS HE SAID, HISTORICALLY COMPANY AND COUNTRIES HAVE COME HERE AND TAKEN THINGS AND LEAVE US LITTLE MONEY. MINING COMPANIES, MANUFACTURING COMPANIES. TOURISTS GIVE US GREAT JOBS. JOBS THAT WE LOVE AND YOU LEAVE YOUR MONEY AND ALL YOU TAKE AWAY FOR PHOTOGRAPHS. THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF TOURISM AND NOT JUST ENTERTAINMENT. I'M MAKING A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE TWO. THERE ARE WATERPARKS IN LOTS OF PLACES, AND IF WE BUILT A NICE INDOOR WATER PARK HERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DRAW FROM ANOTHER STATE GENUINE TOURISTS. BY HAVING THE UNIQUE, YOU SENT THIS RFP OUT. BY HAVING SOMETHING UNIQUE NOT ONLY IS IT AN AMAZING AND AFFORDABLE EXPERIENCES FOR RESIDENTS OF DFW BUT IT CREATES A DRAW WHERE ECONOMICS COME INTO CARROLLTON FROM NON-RESIDENTS. SO THE INCREMENTAL REVENUE INTO THE CITY THAT'S NOT GENERATED BY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE AND PAY TAXES HERE, THAT'S THE GREAT BENEFIT OF HAVING A GENERAL TOURIST DESTINATION AS APPOSED TO JUST AN ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION. THAT'S THE BIG DISTINCTION I WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THIS. IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IN GENERAL. WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING IS BUILT FOR EVERYONE WE CALL IT DEMOCK>> TYIZATION OF SNOW IMPORTANCE BUT YOU CAN DESIGN THINGS THAT ARE CREATED TO BRING A COMMUNITY TOGETHER, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT OUR PHILOSOPHY IS. I LOVE GREAT WOLF RESORT BUT IT IS FAMILIES WITH YOUNG KIDS AND FRANKLY IT'S EXPENSIVE. I WAS A SOCCER COACH FOR YEAR AND YEARS AND THEIR FAMILIES WERE NOT GOING TO GREAT WOLF LODGE. I COULD HELP THEM GO BUT I CAN'T HELP EVERYBODY, RIGHT? HERE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY CAN EXPERIENCE IN THEIR OWN WAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WANT TO SKI OR SNOWBOARD. YOU MIGHT COME OUT AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF WARM ACTIVITIES AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF. WE PARTNER WITH A COMPANY CALLED SHARE WINTER FOUNDATION THAT BRINGS KIDS FROM AREAS THAT TRADITIONALLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO SNOW SUPPORTS AND THEY TRANSPORT THEM. IT IS A VERY LOGISTICALLY CHALLENGING PROGRAM. WHAT WE DO BUILDING WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. WE HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF FREE VISITS FOR KIDS AND FAMILIES AND UNDER REPRESENTED GROUPS LOCALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY. WE DON'T NEED EVERY NICKEL THAT WE CAN GET EVERY TIME SOMEONE VISITS. THE BUILDING WILL BE THERE EVERY DAY ALL YEAR. SO IT ALLOWS US TO REALLY CREATE THIS GREAT COMMUNITY GATHERING SPOT THAT'S NOT ALL DEPENDENT ON REVENUE OR PRICE. ONE THING I WILL SAY AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO TOM. AS I MENTIONED. WE HAVE A TON OF DFW EXPERIENCE. NOT ONLY GRAPEVINE BUT WE'RE PRESIDENT AND C F O. IT'S NOW BASED RIGHT HERE IN DALLAS. JIM AND I HAD OVER A THOUSAND EMPLOYEES AND 12 HOTELS PLUS, AND HUGE CORPORATE OFFICE IN D FW SO HE'S HERE AND WE LOVE WORK HEARING JUST BY FULL DISCLOSURE I LIVE IN VIRGINIA. THE REST OF OUR TEAM THERE'S A REASON. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS MARKET BECAUSE TEXAS IN GENERAL AND DALLAS SPECIFICALLY HAS BEEN OUR TARGET MARK TOTAL LAUNCH THIS FROM THE START. JUST THE BEST PLACE. 9 MILLION PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS MARKET PLUS, THE TOURIST DRAW SO THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO [00:35:04] LAUNCH SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OUR TEAM IS REALLY DEEP. TOMORROW WILL SPEAK IN A MINUTE AND HIS EXPERIENCE IN INDOOR SNOW SUPPORTS AS STRONG AS FAMILY RESORTS INTERNATIONAL. SO THESE NEW AND DO EXIST IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND CHINA. THAT'S TOMORROW'S BACKGROUND FOR I DON'T WANT TO AGE YOU. 26 YEARS. BUT WE'RE LEADING THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THE CONCEPT WE'VE HAD TO GET TO WHERE THE CITY WANTS TO GO WITH THIS BUT WE'RE COLLABORATORS AND TEAM BUILDERS. WE PULL TOGETHER TEAMS THAT KNOW THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? THAT'S OUR STYLE OF LEADERSHIP IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. THAT'S HOW TOM AND JIM AND I WOUND UP TOGETHER. THE GREAT WOLF CONCEPT AND THE INDOOR SKIING CONCEPT AND THE ALPINE X RFP. ON THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT SIDE WE PARTNER WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES. SO I KNOW PLENTY OF ENGINEERS BUT I LIVE IN VIRGINIA SO WE USE ENGINEERS THAT ARE DALLAS BASED. WE'LL USE A LAND DEVELOPMENT PARTNER AND SOME OF THEM ARE HERE WITH US. KIMBERLY HORN HELPED US. THIS SITE HAS BEAUTIFUL WATER FEATURES SAYING IT'S HARD TO BUILD ON. LONG BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS STAGE HORN HELPED US MAKE SURE THIS WAS FEASIBLE. EVERYTHING IS FEASIBLE THERE. WE HAD TO MAKE SURE IT WAS PRACTICALLY FEES TO BE ABLE BUILD ON THIS SITE AND THERE'S A REASON THAT WAS MENTIONED. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BUILD ON ALL 121 ACRES HERE. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THERE IS A BLEND OF LEAVING WATER FEATURES AND NATURE WHERE THEY SHOULD BE AND GETTING THE MOST DEVELOPMENT OUT OF THE LAND THAT IS MORE SUIT TO BE ABLE BE DEVELOPED SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE PULL TOGETHER THE TEAM, OUR SNOW DOME SPECIALISTS, THEY HAVE TEXAS OFFICES BUT THEY ARE WORLDWIDE AND DESIGN ALMOST ALL THE INDOOR SNOW DOMES IN THE WORLD. WE PULL PEOPLE TOGETHER AND THAT COLLABORATION IS WHAT WILL BE WHAT WE CONTINUE TO DO. VERY SIMPLY IF WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT IT BECOMES AN EVEN MORE COLLABORATIVE PROJECT. STAFF HAS BEEN AMAZING. YA'LL ARE FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH. THE FINANCIAL TEAM, I MEAN IT'S BEEN A VERY THOROUGH HELPFUL PROCESS. THIS PRESENTATION IS DIFFERENT THAN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF WE HAD NOT TIME TO COLLABORATE WITH EVERYONE IN A POSITIVE WAY. WE ALSO LIKE COLLABORATING WITH RESIDENTS. RESIDENTIAL FEEDBACK IS REALLY KEY. WE WANT PEOPLE TO GET BEHIND IT AND GET EXCITED BUT WE GET IDEAS FROM PEOPLE, RIGHT? I LOVE WE'LL GET E-MAILS AND WE'LL GO DO MEETING WHERE'S WE WANT TO HEAR PEOPLE'S IDEA ON WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE. SOME OF THOSE IDEAS WILL BE AMAZING AND THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF, SO WE COLLABORATE WITH YOU GUYS, WE COLLABORATE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE AND WE COLLABORATE WITH OUR PARTNERS. I CAN'T OVER STATE THAT. YES, WE HAVE A GREAT BACKGROUND BUT THE VALUE IN US AS A MASTER PLANNER IS NOT JUST US BUT IT IS EVERYBODY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TOGETHER AND THE EXCITEMENT. SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF PRELIMINARY PARTNER TOGETHER MAKE IT AGAIN, ALONG THE THOUGHT OF FEASIBILITY TO MAKE SURE WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE GETTING INTO BEFORE WE GOT THIS FAR FOR US AND YOU GUYS, BUT THAT WHOLE PARTNER IN TIGHTENS UP GOING FORWARD SO WITH THAT LET ME TURN IT OVER TO TOM AND THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE THINGS GOING ON AND THEN JIM WILL WRAP IT UP WITH SOME REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT FINANCIAL STUFF. >> VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. >> VERY DANGEROUS TO LEAVE ME IN CHARGE OF DETAILS. I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF. HE LIKES TO STEAL MY THUNDER WITH THE JOURNEY WE'VE BEEN ON THURSDAY FAR. IT'S ACTUALLY ROBBY IN THREE WEEKS IT WILL BE TWO YEARS THAT WE MET FOR THE FIRST TIME. AS JOHN DESCRIBED THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH, THERE ARE SOME KEY MOMENTS THERE. FOLLOWING THE RFP THIS IS NOT JUST FLOOD ORIGINAL NEGATIVE SPACE BUT THERE ARE SEVEN EASEMENTS CUTTING THIS INTO VERY SMALL LITTLE PARCEL HAS THE ARE THE NOT CONDUCIVE TO ROADWAY AND ET CETERA SO AT FIRST WE WERE LIKE, WE HAVE SPOTS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DO BUT HOW DO WE [00:40:02] APPROACH THIS. THANKFULLY YOU ALL HAD AN ENGINEERING FIRM DO A LOT OF THE WORK FOR US WHICH ALLOWED US TO CONNECT WITH KIM HORN AND DO OUR OWN ANALYSIS OF WHAT YOUR ENGINEERING FIRM HAVE FOUND AND SEE HOW WE CAN APPLY SOME OF THEIR FINDINGS TOGETHER WITH THE FINDINGS TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. MEANING FROM BEGINNING WE COULD NOT TURN 11 ACRES INTO THIS SHINING OBJECT. THAT WAS CLEAR. BUT WE FOUND A WAY TO UTILIZE LAND THAT WAS AVAILABLE IN A WAY THAT WE CAN CREATE APPROXIMATELY 70 ACRES OF DISTRICT AND DO THAT IN A REALLY METHODICAL WAY. ONCE THAT WAS CLEAR WE WENT INTO MASTER PLANNING MODE AND CAME UP WITH LAYOUT YOU SAW SPINNING SEVERAL TIMES AND MET WITH OUR ARCHITECTS AND CREATED DISTRICT YOU SAW TODAY. WE PARTNERED WITH A LOCAL DEVELOPER AND ONE OF THEIR EXECUTIVES IS HERE. THEY HAVE EXTENDED EXPERIENCE IN LAND DEVELOPMENT BEYOND THE METROPLEX SO FINDING THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT PARTNER WAS CRUCIAL AND WE'RE RESORT DEVELOPERS AND WE PARTNER WITH THE FOLKS THAT BUILT THESE DISTRICTS. ALL THE BLUE STUFF IS IN THE PAST AND THE GRAY IS THE IMPORTANT PART. AS PART OF OUR PROPOSAL THERE ARE A FEW COMPONENTS THAT COME WITH DEADLINES THAT WE AND UNFORTUNATELY NOT EVEN YOU CONTROL. THOSE ARE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS. OUR PROPOSAL INCLUDES A SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS FOR A FINANCIAL VEHICLE TO DEVELOP THIS 121 ACRES INTO WHAT YOU HAVE PROCLAIMED IS YOUR VISION AND WE CONSIDER THE CONVENTION CENTER OR WHAT WE LIKE TO CALL IT AN EVENT CENTER. 200,000 SQUARE FEET. WE THINK A SMALLER VERSION IS MUCH BETTER AND THAT HAS AN APPLICATION LIFE. ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE IN Q1 OF 2027 AS THE STATE OF TEXAS GOES INTO ANOTHER LEGISLATION ACTIVITY SESSION. THEY ONLY DO THAT ONCE EVERY TWO-YEAR, SO THERE IS A HARD DEADLINE THERE. WHEN WE GO TO THE DISTRICT, JOHN NARRATES WE WANTED THIS PLACE TO BE FOR EVERYONE. ABOUT WALKABILITY AND ACTIVITY. I'LL SHOW YOU HOW WE TRY TO CREATE THAT ENVIRONMENT THAT CREATES THAT WALKABILITY. I'M EUROPEAN SO THINK OLD CITIES IN EUROPE. THAT'S KIND OF SPRINKLED OVER THERE. I'M SORRY THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TAKEN DIFFERENT USES AND SCATTERED THEM ACROSS THE DISTRICT. YOU ARE LOOKING AT 70 ACRES OF DISTRICT AND THIS IS THREE PHASES OF THAT WE'LL TOUCH NON-A MOMENT. THIS IS ESSENCE, GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACE. THINK RESTAURANTS AND BARS AND THINK RETAIL AND THEN SEVERAL FLOORS OF MULTI-FAMILY. THE DARKER BLUE IS SOLELY RESIDENTIAL AND THEN WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ALONG 35. WE HAVE ONE OR EVEN TWO EXTRA HOTELS ON TOP OF THE RESORT NOTING THAT THIS SITE IS 20 MINUTES FROM DFW AND 20 MINUTES FROM LOVE FIELD AND EXACTLY IN THE MIDDLE. GOOGLE IT SO HAVING SOME EXTRA ROOM WHERE'S YOU CAN LOOKING AT THE SNOW OR PLAY IN THE SNOW WHILE YOU ARE CROSS OVER TO THE AIRPORT WE THINK IS VERY USEFUL. IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WHEN WE SAY WE ARE THE MASSIVE DEVELOPER WE ARE THE MASSIVE DEVELOPER TO OF DISTRICT. WE'LL CREATE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PARTNER WE'LL CREATE THE UTILITIES, WE'LL DO ALL THAT WORK AND PUT IN THE ROADWAYS AND FINISH ALL OF THAT, BUT THE INDIVIDUAL TRACTS YOU SEE ON THOSE IMAGES WILL BE SOLD OFF TO DEVELOPERS THAT SPECIALIZE IN THAT ASPECT OF THAT USE. SO A PARCEL THAT IS INDICATED AS MIXED USE WILL BE SOLD OFF TO A MIXED USE DEVELOPER. THE DISTRICT TOGETHER WITH THE CITY WILL MANAGE THAT PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT'S ADHERENCE TO DESIGN LANGUAGE AND AD HERREN TO CODE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE TO FOLLOW BUT THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION IS NOT BY US BUT BY OTHERS. WHAT THAT ALLOWS FOR IS A MUCH MORE EXPEDIENT REALIZATION OF THE DISTRICT BECAUSE WE WOULD TRY TO DO ALL OF THIS AND YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT KIND OF NUMBER GOES WITH ALL OF THAT WHICH YOU JUST SAW IN THE VIDEO AND THAT'S NOT OUR OBJECTIVE. CURRENTLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE OR FOUR TRACKS THAT ARE BE DEVELOPED BY US AND THE REST WILL BE SOLD OFF. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IN A PHASED APPROACH. [00:45:02] 70 ACRES, OLD DISTRICT. PULLING THAT OUT IS QUITE A FEAT. THE MAIN PHASE IS PHASE ONE. THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE DISTRICT. THAT IS THE RESIDENTIAL, THE COMMERCIAL, SOME OF THE HOTELS. WHY SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S QUICKER TO BUILD. THAT'S IT. THE RESORT WILL TAKE THREE AND A HALF YEARS TO BUILD AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S PHASE 1B. IT MAKES SENSE TO CREATE THE EVENT CENTER ONCE APPROVED AT THE RESORT AS PHASE ONE-C. THERE'S ONE MORE PHASE WHICH IS PHASE TWO. CHRIS CAN EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN ME BUT IN ESSENCE WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THAT IS WE NEED TO ELEVATE IT EVEN MORE AND CURRENTLY THAT REQUIRES BRINGING DIRT FROM OUTSIDE SO TO ELEVATE THAT SO THATEST A LONGER PROCESS SO SEE THAT'S A FUTURE EXPANSION. SORRY, I'M RUNNING DRY. AS YOU MENTIONED WALKABLE DISTRICT. LOTS OF SIDEWALKS. WIDE SIDEWALKS. NOT THESE LITTLE ONES WHERE YOU BUMP INTO EACH OTHER AND PRIORITY FOR CAR PARKING AND THAT STUFF. IT'S IF I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT I CAN WALK AND HAVE BREAKFAST TWO STREETS UP WITHOUT GETTING HIT BY A CAR. IF I SAY AT THE HOTEL I CAN TAKE A RUN OR STAY IN THE SQUARE AND DO THAT 17 TIMES AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US WAS TAKING THE CARROLLTON DOWNTOWN EVENT, YOU KNOW THAT LEGACY THAT YOU ALL HAVE, I'VE BEEN TO A FEW OTHERS IN FRISCO AND TAKE THAT AND EXPAND ON THAT. WE HAVE CAPITOL PARKWAY, I'M NOT GOING THERE, BUT WHAT IT MEANS IS WE HAVE DESIGNED THAT PART OF THE DISTRICT TO BE ALLOWED TO SHUT DOWN FOR TRAFFIC AND CREATE A ZONE FOR EVENTS. YOU SAW IT IN THE FLY THROUGH FOR A MINUTE AND WE DECIDED THAT WAS MOVIE NIGHT BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS IMAGINE CARROLLTON IS THE ONLY PLACE IN THE DFW AREA WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A WHITE CHRISTMAS? AND WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE RESORT YOU WALK INTO ONE OF THESE EUROPEAN CHRISTMAS MARKETS. YOU EVER GOOGLEDED GERMAN CHRISTMAS MARKETS. FARMERS MARKET. CONCERTS, MOVIE NIGHTS. ET CETERA. JOHN HAS SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT OUR RESORT SO I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. THERE'S 200 OF THESE GLOBALLY SO THIS IS NOT A NEW THING. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH NUMEROUS OF THEM AND WE'RE BRINGING THAT TO TEXAS. WHY? IT'S HOT IN TEXAS JUST LIKE DUBAI. THERE IS LOTS OF PEOPLE IN TEXAS AND THERE IS A PASSION FOR SUPPORTS. THE RESORT IS MORE THAN SUPPORTS NO THOUGH. IT'S IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE 750,000 SQUARE FEET OF STUFF IN THAT ONE BUILDING THAT'S 300 HOTEL ROOMS AND RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL. THERE IS AN ARCADE AND LOUNGE BUT THERE'S ALSO OTHER COMPONENTS THAT YOU COME FOR. WHEN I SAY SNOW IT'S FROZEN WATER. REAL SNOW LIKE IN COLORADO. WE MAKE IT THE SAME WAY. THE PROGRAM IS RELATIVELY SIMPLE. I WAS IN DUBAI FOR TEN YEAR AND RAN THAT FACILITY THERE AND WHAT WE LEARNED WAS IF YOU OPEN THE DOORS TO PEOPLE THAT DON'T SKI OR SNOWBOARD BUT YOU OPEN THEM TO PLAY IN THE SNOW, GO TUBING, GO TO SNOW PLAY WHICH IS A FROZEN WATER PARK, WHO WOULDN'T WANT THAT RIGHT NOW? THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO START ENTERING THIS WORLD OF WINTER, RIGHT? IMAGINE YOU HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED SKIING OR SNOWBOARDING, BUT YOU WANT TO GO TO HAWAII YAN FALLS. IT'S 107. THE WATER IS 17 THOUSAND DEGREES AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THERE BUT YOU CAN GO AND HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE IN A FROZEN ENVIRONMENT HERE. YOU DIDN'T SEE OTHER PEOPLE SNOWBOARDING AND THOUGHT THAT LOOK AND LOT HARDER ON YOUTUBE SO YOU GO AND TRY IT AND WE TEACH YOU HOW TO SKI OR SNOWBOARD IN FIVE OR SIX HOURS AND YOU CAN GO TO WHISTLER OR STAY WITH US. WHAT WE'RE SEEING OVER THE 30 YEARS THESE FACILITATES HAVE BEEN IN OPERATION IS A TRACT WHERE SOMEONE AT TWO OR THREE COMES AND PLAYS IN THE SNOW AND BECOMES AN OLYMPIAN. THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES THE COUNTRY OF DUBAI. THE FIRST SKIERS THIS LAST WINTER. THAT KID WAS FIVE YEARS OLD WHEN I WAS A GENERAL MANAGER THERE. GIVES YOU AN AMAZING STORY THE [00:50:02] KIDS THAT HALF LIVE HERE BUT NEVER SEE SNOW EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE TIME IN 2021. THEY NOW GET TO LEARN HOW TO SKI AND SNOWBOARD. OPEN ALL YEAR, 12 HOURS A DAY. IT'S FOR RESIDENTS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY IN THE HOTEL. YOU CAN WALK IN AND BUY A TICKET AND SEE. THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS CAN HAVE COMPETITION. IMAGINE BEATING FRISCO IN SKIING, RIGHT? IMAGINE BEING ABLE TO HAVE YOUR LOCAL TEAMS. MOMS AND DADS TODAY SIT AT SOME FIELD THAT YOU MANAGE YELLING AT THE KIDS TO PLAY SOCCER, THEY COULD YELL AT OUR PLACE TO DO BETTER AT SKIING. LOTS OF JOBS. REAL LONG-TERM JOBS. THIS THING IS OPEN EVERY DAY. THERE IS VERY CLEAR ATTENDANCE. WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A YEAR AROUND THING AND NOT JUST ONE SUNDAY. LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED, SO IT'S AN, ANCHOR TO THE COMMUNITY. THE EVENT CENTER. JUST A BRIEF TOUCH ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT. THIS EVENT CENTER WE HAVE IT LISTED $72,000 SQUARE FEET. IT WILL BE A CITY ASSET SO THE CITY OWNS IT. UNDER THE 351 C PROGRAM IT IS A TAX CODE. LOTS OF DIFFICULT WORDS IN THERE. WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT THE CITY GETS THE RIGHTS TO TEN YEARS OF HOTEL AND SALES TAX IF THEY GET APPROVED TO FUND THIS PARTICULAR ASSET. IT BECOMES YOUR ASSET. WE MAINTAIN IT ON YOUR BEHALF AND WILL DO THE MARKETING AND THE SALES AND YOU GET ALL THE CASH. THAT'S THE TONED DOWN VERSION OF HOW IT WORKS. IT GIVES YOU AN ASSET THAT YOU CAN HAVE AND USE. MY SON IS HERE AND IS IN MARCHING BAND IN FRISCO AND THEY PRACTICE AT THE STAR. THAT'S THE COWBOY'S TRAINING SITE AND THEIR MARCHING BAND PRACTICES AT THE STAR BECAUSE FRISCO IS PART OF THAT'S A SET. SAME THING HERE. SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN HAVE THEIR HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION PARTIES AND TOWN HALLS IF YOU FEEL LIKE THAT. YOU CAN HAVE IT FOR ANYTHING. IT IS YOUR ASSET AND IT'S FUNDED BY STATE MONEY WHICH IS REALLY CRITICAL. I ALMOST FORGET. IT GENERATES MONEY FOR YOU ALL, AS WELL SO IT IS A CASH FLOW GENERATING ASSET. THE LAST THING I WANT TO TOUCH ON BEFORE I GIVE IT TO JIM THAT WILL TELL YOU ABOUT STRUCTURES AND FINANCE AND ALL THOSE EXCITING THINGS BECAUSE OF THE SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT OVERLAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WHAT THAT MEANS IS NOT ONLY WILL WE BUILD IT TOWARDS A HIGHER STANDARD AS A DESTINATION AND RESORT AND DISNEY OR UNIVERSAL WHAT WE MAINTAIN IT THAT WAY. SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR POTHOLES AND LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING, SIGNAGE AND EVERYTHING. SO THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY IS THIS ENORMOUS ASSET AND THIS AMAZING DISTRICT AND WE TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING AND DO THAT TO THE HIGHEST STANDARD AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING PROPOSAL FROM OUR SIDE TO MAKE SURE THIS MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE SAW IN YOUR 2030 VISION. TWO YEARS ALMOST THREE WEEKS, TWO YEARS AGO FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO JIM. >> THANKS. ADVANCE TO THE NEXT ONE. VERY BRIEFLY, JOHN AND TOM DID A GREAT JOB SORT OF OUTLINING TYPES OF THINGS WE EXPECT TO HAVE IN DISTRICT 35. A VARIETY, THE WIDE BREATH OF THINGS AS JOHN TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING BUILT FOR EVERYONE. I WANT TO TALK QUICKLY ABOUT STAKEHOLDERS AND THE STRUCTURE AND THE OPERATION OF THE DISTRICT REALLY IN TERMS OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THREE MAIN STAKEHOLDERS. TWO WE TALKED ABOUT HERE. THE CITY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. OURSELVES AS MASTER DEVELOPER AGAIN COORDINATING WITH THE CITY AS JOHN TALKED ABOUT DELIBERATEING WITH THE CITY THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AND AS TOM TOUCHED ON THIS MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THIS SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT THAT TOM REFERENCED THE MD IS DESIGNED TO BE AN OVERVIEW THAT CAN BE A SEPARATE UNIT TO ALLOW FOR FINANCE AND THE DEVELOPMENT TO HALF HAPPEN MORE QUICKLY AND AN ASSUREDLY FOR VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE TO ENSURE DISTRICT 35 OPERATES, AS WELL AS IT CAN AND TOM IF YOU GIVE ME [00:55:01] THE NEXT ONE THIS IS A BETTER ILLUSTRATIONS OF HOW THESE WORKING TOGETHER HERE. I'M A FINANCE GUY SO THIS FITS IN WITH THAT. YOU HAVE THE MASTER DEVELOPER OUT BY NEXT WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WHERE THIS ALL STARTS. THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF ALL OF THIS. THIS WOULD HAPPEN THROUGH THE MOU THAT WE DISCUSSED ENTERING INTO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THEN THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OF 35-E. WE WOULD HAVE LAND DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS. JOHN TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE WOULD HAVE THE HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE BUILDING OF ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE OF UTILITIES, OF TAKING CARE OF THE WETLAND AND FLOODPLAIN. THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH A LAND DEVELOPMENT JOINT VENTURE THAT WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH AS TOM REFERENCED AND AGAIN, AS TOM TALKED ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPER WOULD DEVELOP ALL THE PIECES OF LAND AND THEN WE WOULD SELL OFF TRACTS TO VERTICAL DEVELOPERS TO BEST IN CLASS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE ASSETS. ONE OF THE TRACTS GETS SOLD OFF TO ALPINE X RFP, AS WELL WHERE WE WOULD CONSTRUCT OUR SNOW AND ENTERTAINMENT RESORT THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT. ALL THAT WORKS IN A CIRCULAR FASHION. THOSE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS THAT THEY PAY PROPERTY TAXES AND TAXES TO THE CITY, THERE ARE TAXES GENERATED THROUGH SALES TAXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO IT IS A VERY GOOD CIRCLE. THE SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT OVERSEE THE ACTUAL ADMINISTRATION OF THE DISTRICT. THEY ISSUE ASSESSMENTS OR PROPERTY TAXES ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, AS WELL AND THEY USE THOSE FUNDS TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS AND THE LANDSCAPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT. TOM CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? JUST TALKING ABOUT QUICKLY ABOUT OPERATIONS ON DISTRICT 35 E AGAIN. WHAT DOES EACH ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS DO? WE AS MASTER DEVELOPER WE WORK WITH THE CITY AND COORDINATE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEN WE WORK AND SELL OFF THOSE TRACTS TO THE VERTICAL. UP AND DOWN CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPERS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. THE CITY OF CARROLLTON HAVE PRIMARY JURISDICTION OVER THIS. THE CITY WOULD STILL HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR FIRE AND FOR POLICE. WE WOULD HAVE SUPPLEMENTAL SECURITY FUNDED THROUGH THE M D AND IT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE DAY TO DAY ADMINISTRATIVE DISTRICT THINGS SO IT IS A CONSTANT COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION BETWEEN THOSE PARTIES AND AGAIN, THE MD AND OVER LAY, IT'S INTENDED MAINLY BECAUSE AS JOHN REFERENCED THIS IS A COMPLEX PIECE OF LAND SO 121 ACRES IS NOT A FLAT TRACT WITH NO WETLANDS AND NO ISSUES THAT'S READY TO BUILD TOMORROW. THERE IS A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE GONE THROUGH TO GET READY TO BUILD. THERE'S DISCUSSIONS TWO ARMY OF CORP. OF ENGINEERS. WE CAN ADVANCE GREATLY IN OUR KNOWLEDGE BUT THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF STEP THAT'S HAVE TO BE TAKEN BEFORE WE GET TO PUTTING IN ROADS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO WE THINK THIS IS WELL DESIGNED TO MAKE SURE THAT PROCESS WORKS WELL ON A COMPLEX PIECE OF LAND AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE RECOMMENDED THIS. WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT BACK TO JOHN FOR A COUPLE OF WRAP UP COMMENTS. >> I'M GOING TO WRAP UP THIS ONE FINAL THOUGHT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT HOW ALPINE X RFP WILL BE THE VERTICAL DEVELOP ANOTHER OF OUR RESORT. PROBABLY ONE OR TWO HOTEL SITES AND ONE ENTERTAINMENT VENTURE. WE DEVELOP TO OPERATE. OUR CORE BUSINESS IS BUILDING AND OPERATING THESE THINGS. EVERY LODGE THAT I BUILT GREAT WOLF IS STILL OPERATED BY GREAT WOLF LODGE SO OUR MODEL IS NOT TYPICAL DEVELOPER AND WE COME IN AND SELL AND WE'RE OUT. WE'RE LONG, LONG-TERM PARTNERS PERIOD. THIS GUEST DEVELOPED AND WE'RE WITH YOU FOR LITERALLY DECADES SO I HOPE THAT SOUNDS GOOD >> JIM YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, I KNOW SO LET ME SAY THIS, GUYS. THIS WAS STARTED THIS WHOLE PROJECT WAS STARTED IN SOMEWHAT REACTION TO OUR COMMUNITY VISION DISCUSSION. WE WENT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SAID, WHAT DO YOU WANT CARROLLTON TO LOOK LIKE IN THE NEXT 20 OR 30-YEARS? THAT WAS WE CAME UP WITH OUR HEALTHY AND ENGAGING AND ACTIVE AND ENDS WITH THRIVING, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD FROM [01:00:01] CITIZENS SO EVERYTHING YOU SAW ON THE SCREEN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CARROLLTON'S PAST. IT HAS NEVER DONE ANY OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS, RIGHT? BUT GO UP THE ROAD TO GRAND SCAPE AND GUESS WHAT? THAT'S THE TYPE OF MODEL THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT WE WANTED HERE'S A COUNCIL IS SOMETHING COMPLEMENTARY AND ENTERTAINMENT IN NATURE BUT COMPLEMENTARY TO OUR TRINITY MILLS STATION WHICH IS DOING WELL MOVING FORWARD. SELF-SUSTAINING ON IT'S OWN BUT COMPLEMENTARY TO WHAT YOU SEE IN THE COLONY AT GRAND SCAPE. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE. THE REALITY IS WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ANSWERS TO BUT THIS IS A BITE AT THE CAPITOL SAY BASE ON WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN CAN YOU ENVISION THIS AND IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SEE AND LEARN MORE? IF YOU DO WE'LL HAVE STAFF AND THE TEAM HERE CONTINUE TO VET IT FURTHER, OKAY? TO ADD MEET TO THE BONES OR PEAL BACK THE ONION. THAT'S THE WAY TO THINK ABOUT THIS. I'LL OPEN UP THE QUESTIONS. MY FIRST ONE WAS HERE? >> WHEN YOU SELL OFF THE TRACTS, ARE THE NEW DEVELOPER, DO THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE MASTER PLAN AND THE VISION OF THE PLATS? >> 100 PERCENT. >> OKAY. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SAY WE'D RATHER HAVE FIVE STORY AND NOT FOUR, HOW MUCH INDIVIDUALIZED DECISIONS CAN THEY MAKE EACH OF THEIR TRACTS? >> THE TRACTS ARE GOING TO BE LAID OUT IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY AND THAT'S NOT ALL FINAL YET. >> PLAN DEVELOPMENTS HELP YOU TO CREATE ALL OF THE RULES AND THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO. >> ALRIGHT. AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS GREAT. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE 35 COMMITTEE. FABULOUS. THANK YA'LL. GREAT JOB. >> VERY GOOD. >> MAYOR PRO TEM? >> THANK YOU. THIS WAS AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. I'M SUPER-EXCITED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO COME TO CARROLLTON. I TRULY FEEL WHAT MAJOR SAID ABOUT OUR HARD GOALS THIS IS GOING TO HIT EVERYONE OF THOSE AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT OFF THE GROUND. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS ON A GREAT PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NANCY? >> I'M GOING TO DO RESEARCH BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL WHAT'S INSIDE YOUR ALPINE FEATURE SO I'LL LOOK UP THE DUBAI AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. >> YOU SHOULD. ABSOLUTELY. EVERYONE LISTENING SHOULD GOOGLE WHAT INSIDE ALPINE X RFP LOOKS LIKE. >> ROAD TRIP >> IS IT JUST ONE STRAIGHT SHOT? >> TECHNICALLY A ROAD TRIP. >> I CAN PROMISE YOU IT'S REALLY COOL. >> THERE'S VIDEOS IF YOU GO ON THE COMMITTEE AND LOOKED AT A FEW THAT THEY POINTED US TO. IT IS SPECTACULAR. THEY BUILT THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF A DESERT WHERE IT'S HOT HERE, BUT IT'S HOTTER IN DUBAI. AND THE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS UTILIZED, ENERGY EFFICIENT, THE ACTUAL MANUFACTURING OF REAL SNOW, NOT JUST ICE AND THE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO PUT ON WITHIN THAT, EVEN OUTSIDE OF SKIING IS PRETTY INCREDIBLE FROM RESTAURANTS TO, I MEAN THINK OF IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE MOUNTAINS YOU HAVE BEEN TO RESORTS WITH BIG FIRE THINGS AND YOU ARE SITTING OUT IN THE SNOW AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENTERTAINMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IT'S THAT KIND OF ATMOSPHERE AND I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE IT BEING 107 DEGREES OUT HERE IN TEXAS AND THEN SITTING IN A 32 OR EVEN LESS I THINK. 30 DEGREES ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU HAVE A PARKA ON IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMONER TEXAS. PRETTY NEAT. GREAT PRESENTATION AND THE COMMITTEE THANKS YOU AND THE STAFF DID AN AMAZING JOB IN SUPPORTING YOU. WE'VE COME A LONG WAY SINCE OUR FIRST COMMITTEE MEETING AS FAR AS WHERE WE STARTED AND WHERE WE ARE NOW, SO THE MEMORANDUM FOR COUNCIL'S BENEFIT IS JUST TO BE ABLE TO SAY IS THIS SOMETHING GENERALLY THAT WE WANT IN CARROLLTON FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE DOING OF THE EXPLORATION AND COMING UP WITH SOLID PLANS FOR US TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> WELL SAID. SO OKAY. LISTEN. WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL. COUNCIL WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS CONSENSUS. WE'RE NOT WEIGHT VOTING ON ANYTHING BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS. DO YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE A OR MOVE FORWARD WITH LET'S EXPLORE IT THE WAY THAT WAS ARTICULATEED? >> I'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE BUT EXPLAIN THE TIMELINE AND WHAT'S [01:05:03] THE DEADLINE? >> SO THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS PROBABLY THE MOST COME PEMING ITEM THAT REALLY IS ABOUT THE TAX FUNDING, RIGHT SO THIS TAX DISTRICT THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT IS A STATE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE TO GET IT WRITTEN IN. WE'VE BEEN PURSUING STATE LEGISLATURE ON REBATES IS FROM STATE TO GIVE MORE BACK TO CARROLLTON AND THIS IS IN LINE WITH THAT BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS WRITTEN IN AS TRINITY MILL, SO THIS IS WHAT WE PUSHED FOR TWO YEARS AGO AND NOW WE'RE UP AGAINST THE WALL AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET OUR LEGISLATURES BEHIND US IN TERMS OF WRITING US INTO THE TAX BILL. >> QUESTION ON THAT. IS THIS FULLY DEPENDENT ON GETTING THAT RIGHT IN FROM THE LEGISLATURE SORE CAN WE PROCEED? >> WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY DO THE CONFERENCE CENTER. THAT PORTION THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CONFERENCE CENTER. >> MORE TO COME ON THAT PIECE. >> THIS DISTRICT IS COMPARABLE TO THE VAL WOOD WHERE IT HAS IT'S ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND OPERATES TO MOST PEOPLE IT'S JUST THERE DOING IT'S JOB. >> THAT'S A FAIR PARALLEL. BUT AGAIN NOT EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH THAT SO MORE TO COME ON THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THOSE WILL BE DECISION POINT THAT WILL COME BACK TO THE BODY FOR THE FINAL YAI OR NAY. NOW I'M LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOU. GREAT. WE'LL BRING THAT BACK AT A FUTURE DATE AND THANK YOU SO MUCH ALPINE-X. WITH THAT OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS LEADERSHIP METROCREST. WE HAVE A SCHOLARSHIP WE GIVE OUT. CHLOE HAS CIRCULATED I THINK FOUR CARROLLTON CITIZENS. THREE OF WHOM ARE ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND ONE IS NOT. WE FUND ONE SCHOLARSHIP FROM THAT GROUP AND THEN OF COURSE ANYONE ON COUNCIL HAS A DESIRE OR STAFF TO ATTEND WE CAN FUND THEM, AS WELL. FOUR NAMES OUT THERE. CHLOE YOU WANT TO GIVE US NAMES ONE MORE TIME AND MAYBE NOT THEIR WHOLE RESUME BUT WHO'S ON A BOARD AND COMMISSION? >> WE HAVE AREA DEAN AND CARROLLTON RESIDENT HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THE PROGRAM AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE BAILEY WHENS LEE WHO IS ON ONE OF OUR CARROLLTON BOARD. SHE'S ON THE LIBRARY BOARD. WE HAVE ISAAC JOHN WHO IS ON THE MUSEUM AND WORK ADVISORY COMMISSION AND WE ALSO HAVE CAROL SUE WHO IS ON OUR TRAFFIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE >> FOUR AND THEY ARE ALL COMMITTED TO ATTENDING BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL ALL WELCOME THE SCHOLARSHIP BOARD AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A NOMINATION FROM THE FLOOR FOR ONE OF THOSE FOUR. >> I WILL NOMINATE DEAN AREA? >> THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT BEEN ON A BOARD AND COMMISSION. >> I'LL NOMINATE ISAAC. >> OKAY. ISAAC. >> HAS HE SERVED ON THE MUSEUM AND HISTORICAL? >> YES. DID YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE? >> NO I'M SUPPORTING DEAN. >> I'M NOT SEEING ANY OTHER NAMES SO I'LL PAIR THIS BACK WITH TWO AND I'LL START WITH DEAN IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF DEAN GIVE ME A THUMBS UP. WE HAVE TWO. WE DO ONE AS A COUNCIL. SO WE HAVE DEAN AND THEN IF YOU SUPPORT SCHOLARSHIP TO THE OTHER GIVE ME A THUMB'S UP. ONE, TWO, THREE. WELL 3-2. ONE DIDN'T VOTE SO WE'LL CALL THAT A IN ISAAC VOTE AND MOVE FORWARD. WITH THAT I'LL ASK FOR QUICK INFORMATION SHARING WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE FORUM THERE AND I'LL SHARE DETAILS AS WE CLOSE OUT IN TERMS OF WHAT TO EXPECT OUT THERE. ANY, I'LL GO QUICKLY AROUND. NANCY? >> NOTHING TO ADD. >> NOTHING. >> SUTTER? >> 250 YEAR CELEBRATION AND DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON. IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS WONDERFUL. >> AND THAT'S PARTNERSHIP WITH THE AMERICAN LEGION AND HDCA. ALL COMMUNITY DRIVEN AND WE WERE PART OF IT SO I AGREE WITH YOU. >> THERE'S SO MANY. IT'S GOING TO TAKE TOO LONG BUT THANKS TO ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT PUT IT TOGETHER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, NOT EVERYTHING. WE DO A LOT OF IMPORTANT THINGS, NOT JUST BEHIND THE DAIS AND THIS IS WHERE WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN AND LEARN FROM OUR CONSTITUENT, SO THANK YOU FOR ORGANIZING EVERYTHING. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> DEPUTY MAYO PRO TEM? >> QUICKLY. [01:10:03] METROCREST BOARD WAS THIS WEEK AND THEY ARE WELCOMING FIVE NEW BOARD MEMBERS TO THAT BOARD AND THEY'LL BE LARGELY REPRESENTING THE HOUSING HEALTHCARE AND EDUCATION AND WORKFORCE PILLARS THAT METROCREST HAS IMPLEMENTED AND THERE IS ADDITIONAL MEMBER THAT JOINS THEM THAT HAS A HEALTHCARE BACKGROUND. SHE WAS HERE IN THE LAST MEETING AND SHE'S JUST YOU KNOW BUILDING UPON TRACY'S LEGACY AND DOING A FANTASTIC JOB AND IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS THAT WILL BE JOINING METROCREST SO EXCITED TO SEE THAT. QUICKLY THE FINANCE AND GOVERNANCE MEETING MET. WE DID NOT HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK WITH METROCREST. SOLID BOARD IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND YOUR SUPPORT ON THERE REPRESENTING THIS BODY IS IMPORTANT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> MAYOR PRO-TEM? >> OUR 250TH CELEBRATION WAS AMAZING. SUPER PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN IN IN THIS DAY AND TIME AND A QUICK REMINDER FOR THIS, NEXT FRIDAY ON THE 3 IS'S WE HAVE A C FB BACK-TO-SCHOOLFEST IN THE EVENING ON FRIDAY AND THAT DAY DURING LUNCH WE HAVE THE, MAKE IT COUNT KICKS FOR KIDS LUNCH AND I HOPE EVERYONE GOT AN INVITATION FOR THAT AND IS ABLE TO ATTEND. IT'S ALWAYS GREAT. >> VERY GOOD. ANYTHING FROM STAFF? >> OKAY. >> LET ME JUST TELL YOU. >> WE HAVE THIS FRIDAY. 8 A.M. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE UPDATED YOUR CALENDAR BUT WE'LL BE MEETING AT THE MUNICIPAL COURT'S COMMUNITY ROOM AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S UPDATED BUT THIS FRIDAY MUNICIPAL COURT COMMUNITY ROOM, 8 A.M.. >> WE'LL ALL GET TO SEE AGAIN ONE OF THE BOND REFERENDUMS THAT DID NOT PASS AND YOU'LL GET TO SEE IT AND EXPERIENCE IT REAL TIME. WE'RE GOING TO PIVOT OUR AGENDA. ALL IN LINE WITH TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THIS AGENDA WAS POSTED BEFORE THE EVENT TO THE WEEKEND. AS WE GO OUT WE'LL START WITH THE PLEDGE AND THAT'S OF COURSE GOING TO BE LED BY COUNCILMEMBER WATERS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A BRIEF TRIBUTE AND MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR PRIVATE ISABELLE GONZALES KILL IN ACTION. WE'RE GOING TO, I'M GOING TO ASK A SOLDIER DEPLOY IN WILL BE DAISY AND NANCY WAS SCHEDULED TO DO OUR INVOCATION AND SHE'LL GIVE A PRAYER FOR THE FALLEN. I'M GOING TO THEN PIVOT AND OPEN UP THE, I'M GOING TO SPLIT THE PUBLIC FORUM INTO TWO. A FIRST SECTION DEALING WITH PRIVATE GONZO LAEZ IN CASE WE HAVE OTHERS THAT WISH TO SPEAK. BEFORE THEY START IF ANY OF YOU HAVE WORDS THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE, YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO THAT BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT FOLLOWING THAT PUBLIC FORUM SO THEY'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE NORMAL. WE'LL CLOSE THAT SECTION. ANY PUBLIC FORUM COMMENTS RELATED TO BUSINESS WILL BE TAKEN THAT THE END AS USUAL AND WE'LL CONTINUE WITH OUR MEETING AND CLOSE SILENTLY IN TAP, SO I WANTED TO SHARE WITH THAT WITH YOU AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST AS WE CAN GIVEN THE AGENDA WAS ALREADY PUBLISHED AND SO APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR PATIENCE WITH THAT. WITH THAT WE'LL ADJOURN OUR WORKSESSION AND MEET AT THE DAIS. I MIGHT SUGGEST WE TYPICALLY ALL KIND OF ROTATE THROUGH, AND LET'S KIND OF START AND TAKE YOUR TIME TO USE [INVOCATION - Councilmember Nancy Cline] >> WELCOME, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF CARROLLTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR JULY 21. WE WILL BE PIVOTING OUR AGENDA SLIGHTLY TONIGHT IN HONOR OF PRIVATE ISABELLE GONZALES BUT I'M GOING TO START WITH OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IF YOU WILL PLEASE RISE THAT WILL BE LED BY COUNCILMEMBER WATTERS. OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE. >> ALRIGHT. IF YOU WILL, I'M GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT AND JUST WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A TRIBUTE TO PRIVATE ISABELLA GONZALES. AND GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THOSE IN THE ROOM TO ALSO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS AND TRIBUTE TO [01:15:04] ISABELLA. AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING, THEN WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE BALANCE OF OUR MEETING AND CLOSEOUT AS WE NORMALLY DO. WE'LL CLOSE TONIGHT WITH TAPS PLAYING IN HONOR OF ISABELLA AS SHE MAKES HER WAY TO HER FINAL RESTING PLACE. LET ME SAY FIRST OFF THAT ISABELLA GONE SA ELSE IS A CARROLLTON N. SHE ATTENDED HE BRANCH HIGH SCHOOL. SHE'S A NATIVE HERE. HER, SHE'S LIVED HERBER WHOLE LIFE. BORN IN 2007 AND KILL IN ACTION IN 2026 THIS WEEKEND. ALMOST TO THE DAY AFTER SHE FIRST WENT AWAY TO BOOT CAMP. SHE WAS A TEEN. 19 YEARS OLD. SHE WAS YOUR TYPICAL HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT FROM HEBRON HIGH SCHOOL. FULL OF LIFE. YOUTHFUL EXUBERANCE AND A DESIRE AS ALL NEW GRADUATES HAVE, TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR HERSELF, HER FAMILY, FOR THE WORLD. WHETHER MESSING AROUND WITH FRI FRIENDS VALERIE OR MANY OTHERS, ENJOYING DANCE AND HER INVOLVEMENT WITH HEBRON HIGH SCHOOL EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES, CLASS ACTIVITIES. SHE WAS A DETERMINED YOUNG LADY. RESPECTED BY HER CLASSMATES AND ADORED BY HER SIBLINGS AND FAMILY. HER MOTHER AND HER EXTENDED FAMILY. HER FRIEND, VALERIE RODRIGUEZ CALLED HER, HER SHINING STAR. BUT ONE YEAR AGO TODAY, ALMOST TO THE DAY SHE WENT OFF TO BOOT CAMP. FIRST ENLIST IN APRIL OF 2025. SHE WENT TO BOOT CAMP AND LIKE ALL THOSE THAT GO THROUGH BOOT CAMP, MILITARY TRAINING, HAD HER DOUBTS. OBVIOUSLY WAS IN TOUCH WITH HER FAMILY AND HER FRIENDS HERE BUT SHE PERSEVERED AND MADE IT THROUGH AND SHE WAS BOUND AND DETERMINED TO PROVE TO HERSELF AND TO THE WORLD WHO SHE IS AND DETERMINED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. HER FRIEND COMMENTED THAT SHE WANTED TO BE VERY DISCIPLINE AND SHE WANTED PEOPLE TO VIEW HER AS SOMEONE WHO WAS VERY BRAVE. INDEED ISABELLA AS YOU WATCH DOWN OVER ALL OF US CONTINUING TO SHOWER US WITH PRAYERS, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FRIENDS, ALL OF YOUR HEBRON CLASSMATES, ALL CARROLLTON GATHERED HERE TONIGHT AND THE COUNTRY GIVE TRIBUTE TO YOUR BRAVERY. YOU ARE INDEED A BRAVE YOUNG WOMAN. HEROES COME IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES. IN THIS CASE, AS A 19-YEAR-OLD FEMALE. FEMALE SOLDIER WHO VOLUNTEERED, WILLING, READY AND ABLE, BRAVELY PUTTING COUNTRY AND SERVICE ABOVE SELF AND FAMILY. SHE WAS SUPPORTING THE OPERATION INHERENT RESOLVE AND WITH US AS SIGNED TO THE FIRST BATTALION 57TH AIR DEFENSE ARTILLERY REGIMEN IN GERMANY AND FURTHER DEPLOYED TO AN AIR BASE IN JORDAN. SERVING IN HER CAPACITY TO PROVIDE THAT IRON SHIELD, IF YOU WILL, FOR INBOUND ARTILLERY SHE DIED IN COMBAT DOING WHAT SHE WAS THERE TO DO, SAVING THOSE AROUND HER. POSTHUMOUSLY SHE HAS BEEN PROMOTED TO PRIVATE FIRST CLASS. SHE DIED A HERO PROTECTING HER FELLOW SOLDIER ON DEPLOYMENT IN THE REGION, AS WELL AS THE WORLD, RELYING ON HEROES LIKE HER AND OTHERS LIEUTENANT TYLER JAMES BHAIN, THOSE AROUND HER AND ALL THOSE THAT HAVE PAID THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE AND ALL THOSE THAT ARE DOING THEIR DAILY COMMAND JOBS TO KEEP US ALL SAFE AND THE WORLD SAFE. SHE WOULDN'T WANT US TO BE SAD, ONE OF HER FRIENDS SAID, SHE WANTS US TO BE HAPPY AND KEEP MOVING ON. BUT STILL REMEMBER HER. ISABELLA WE'LL ALL REMEMBER YOU, TODAY, THROUGH THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS AND FOR YEARS TO [01:20:03] COME. WE ASK THAT THE LORD BLESS AND KEEP YOU. AND LIVE IN OUR HEARTS AND KNOW THAT OUR HEARTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AS THEY GRIEVE. I'M GOING TO ASK MAYOR PRO-TEM COUNCILMEMBER PALACIOS TO GIVE A PERSPECTIVE TO AUGMENT WHAT I'VE SAID AS A MOM. MOM OF A CHILD, ADULT CHILD, DEPLOY IN COMBAT IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND WHAT WENT THROUGH HER HEART AS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HER CHILD, AS IT WAS UNKNOWN OF WHO THE VICTIM WAS. DAISY? >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. IT IS WITH A PROFOUND SORROW AND HEAVY HEART THAT I EXTEND MY DEEPEST CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY, FRIENDS AND LOVED ONES OF PRIVATE FIRST CLASS ISABELLA GONZALEZ OF CARROLLTON AS A MOTHER OF A DEPLOYED UNITED STATES MARINE I UNDERSTAND THE UNIQUE MIXTURE OF PRIDE, FAITH AND CONCERN AND ANXIOUSNESS THAT A COMPANIES THE SERVICE OF THE LOVED ONE IN UNIFORM. AS A CITY COUNCILMEMBER I ALSO RECOGNIZE THE IMMEASURABLE IMPACT THAT BRAVE YOUNG AMERICANS LIKE PRIVATE GONZALEZ HAVE ON THEIR COMMUNITIES AND ON OUR NATION. SHE ANSWERED THE CALL TO SERVE WITH COURAGE, SELFLESSNESS AND HONOR. HER COMMITMENT TO SOMETHING GREATER THAN HERSELF REFLECTS THE HIGHEST IDEALS OF MILITARY SERVICE AND EXEMPLIFIES THE CHARACTER, DEDICATION AND PATRIOTISM THAT STRENGTHEN OUR COUNTRY. WHILE HER LIFE WAS TRAGICALLY CUT SHORT, HER LEGACY OF SERVICE AND SACRIFICE WILL ENDURE AND WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN. AS A MOM, TODAY WE MOURN ALONG SIDE THOSE THAT KNEW AND LOVED HER. WE ON HER OR HONOR HER AND HOLD CLOSE THE MEMORY OF A YOUNG WOMAN THAT WILLINGLY STOOD IN DEFENSE OF OUR NATION AND THE FREEDOMS THAT WE CHERISH. MAY GOD GRANT COMFORT AND STRENGTH TO HER FAMILY DURING THIS TIME OF UNIMAGINABLE LOSS. MAY THEY FIND PEACE IN THE KNOWLEDGE THAT ISABELLA'S SERVICE INSPIRED OTHERS. HER SACRIFICE MATTERED DEEPLY AND HER MEMORY WILL FOREVER BE HELD IN GRATITUDE BY A GRATEFUL COMMUNITY IN CARROLLTON AND THE WHOLE NATION. ON BEHALF OF MILITARY FAMILIES AND MILITARY MOMS AND ALL THOSE THAT VALUE THE SACRIFICES OF OUR SERVICE MEMBERS, I OFFER MY SINCERE PRAYERS, RESPECT AND HEARTFELT SYMPATHY TO HER MOM AND ALL HER FAMILY. THANK YOU. >> AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO RISE IN INVOCATION AND COUNCILMEMBER CLINE WILL LEAD US IN THE FIRST A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND THEN INVOCATION. >> HEAVENLY FATHER WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH HEAVY HEARTS LIFTING UP THE FAMILIES, LOVED ONES AND FELLOW SERVICE MEMBERS OF PRIVATE ISABELLA GONZALES, LIEUTENANT TYLER JAMES FEEHAN AND SERGEANT MICHAEL EMMANUEL SWINTON. WE HONORED THESE SURGEONS FOR THEIR HONOR, SACRIFICE FOR OUR NATION. WE ASK THAT YOU COMFORT THEIR FAMILIES, GRANT THEM --,, COMFORT IN THEIR SORROWS, AND PEACE. SURROUND THOSE WHO ARE MOURNING WITH THE SUPPORT OF COMMUNITY, LET THEM KNOW THAT THEIR LOVED ONES MATTER. LORD WE THANK YOU FOR THE GIFT OF FREEDOM, TO SPEAK WORSHIP AND GRATEFUL FOR THOSE WHO STOOD GUARD OVER THESE RIGHTS AND THE BLESSINGS THAT COME WITH LIVING IN A LAND OF LIBERTY. PROTECT ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN CURRENTLY SERVING IN HARM'S WAY AND BRING HEALING TO THOSE WHO ARE INJURED, AND GUIDE THEM SAFELY. IN YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY AMEN. >> AS I INDICATED, WE ARE GOING TO PIVOT OUR AGENDA SLIGHTLY. IN A MOMENT I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC FORUM BY SPLITTING IT INTO TWO, THE PUBLIC FORUM WILL STILL FOLLOW THE END FOR NORMAL BUSINESS OF THE CITY FOR CITY MATTERS. BUT WE WILL INVITE THOSE WISHING TO MAKE A COMMENT AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS IN SUPPORT OF ISABELLA GONZALEZ TO DO SO AT THE BEGINNING OF. BEFORE I DO SO, LET ME JUST GIVE [01:25:06] A FEW DETAILS OF WHAT WE DO KNOW. ISABELLA IS BEING RECEIVED THIS EVENING, EARLY HOURS OF THE MORNING IN DELAWARE. AS IS CUSTOMARY UNDER MILITARY PROTOCOL. THE MILITARY -- SHE WILL HAVE FULL HONOR, BEING KILLED IN ACTION, SHE WILL HAVE FULL HONOR, MILITARY HONORS, AND AS SUCH HER ENTIRE NEXT SEVERAL HOURS, 96 HOURS, THREE, FOUR DAYS WILL BE ORCHESTRATED BY THE UNITED STATES MILITARY, THE ARMY CASUALTY AND MORTUARY AFFAIRS OPERATIONS COMMISSION. AS THE DETAILS OF HER FUNERAL ARE PUBLICIZED WE WILL SHARE THAT. WE ARE IN PARALLEL WORKING THROUGH TO COMPLEMENT MILITARY HONORS WITH THE CITY OF CARROLLTON'S TRIBUTE, WHICH WILL INCLUDE MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT IN PART THE CPD, PUBLIC SAFETY, IS ON STANDBY TO COMPLEMENT AND AUGMENT THE U.S. MILITARY AS THEIR PROTOCOL ALLOWS OR TO PICK UP AFTER THAT PROTOCOL IS COMPLETE. LOCAL VIGIL ARRANGEMENTS ARE BEING MADE. WE WILL SHARE THOSE DETAILS AS THE FINAL DETAILS OF THE FUNERAL ARE SHARED. THAT WILL INCLUDE A VIGIL, SOME TIME THIS WEEKEND EVENING, LIKELY ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY NIGHT, COULD BE MONDAY, JUST DEPENDS ON THE FUNERAL. AND WE ARE WAITING IN COORDINATING WITH THE FAMILY ON THOSE DETAILS, AS TO THE EXACT LOCATION AND WHAT TO EXPECT. MORE TO COME ON THAT AS WE COORDINATE. PRIVATE ISABELLA GONZALEZ WILL HAVE PERMANENT TRIBUTE POSTED AT THE CARROLLTON MEMORIAL, THAT PLANNING IS IN PROCESS, WHETHER THAT TAKES THE FORM OF THE CUSTOMARY BRICK TRIBUTE PROGRAM, WHETHER IT TAKES THE FORM OF OUR PERSONALIZED MEMORIAL BENCH WHERE WE CAN CERTAINLY USE SOME MORE BENCHES, OR OTHER MEMORIAL TRIBUTES. THE COUNCIL WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT. THAT IS NOT ACTION TONIGHT BUT WE ARE COMMITTED TO OUR CITY TO DO JUST THAT. THE CITY ALSO HAS A TREE PLANTING AND MONUMENT PROGRAM THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH HIGH SCHOOLS ADMINISTRATION WITH, MORE TO COME ON THAT IN TERMS OF WHERE THAT WILL LAND. FOLLOWING THE VIGIL AND FUNERAL, THE U.S. MILITARY WILL HAVE ONGOING BEREAVEMENT SUPPORT, AND WE WILL COORDINATE WITH THE AMERICAN LEGION 587 FOR ONGOING FAMILY SUPPORT. MANY OF OUR LEGIONNAIRES FROM THE AMERICAN LEGION AND VETERANS ARE HERE WITH US TONIGHT. MORE TO COME ON THAT, INCLUDING THE GOLD STAR PROGRAM FOR THOSE WHO ARE LOST IN BATTLE FOR THE SURVIVING VICTIMS MOM, MARIA. WITHOUT, I WILL FIRST GIVE THE OPTION TO MAKE COUNSEL IF THEY WISH TO CHIME IN HERE FOR A FEW WORDS, AND THEN I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC FORUM COUNCIL MEMBER? >> THANK YOU MAYOR. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR COMMUNITY FOR BEING OUT HERE TONIGHT, VERY DIFFICULT NEWS FOR THE CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY. I ESPECIALLY LIKE TO AMERICAN LEGION WHO I AM NOT SURPRISED HERE, STANDING TALL AND READY TO SUPPORT, BOTH GONZALEZ FAMILY AND AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO HONOR THE LIFE AND SACRIFICE OF PRIVATE ISABELLA GONZALEZ. SHE GAVE HER LIFE IN SERVICE TO OUR NATION. WE EXTEND OUR DEEPEST CONDOLENCES AND PRAYERS TO HER FAMILY AND LOVED ONES, AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN SERVING IN BOARD AREAS AROUND THE WORLD. MAY GOD PROTECT THEM, AND GRANT ISABELLA ETERNAL PEACE. THANK YOU. >> YOU WILL NOTE THE COUNCIL IS WEARING A RIBBON OR PURPLE AND BLACK WHICH WERE HER FAVORITE COLORS. WE TRIED TO AUGMENT THAT WITH THE FLOWERS IN THE FRONT AS WELL AS THE RED, WHITE, AND BLUE FLOWERS OUT OF RESPECT. NEXT SPEAKER COUNCIL MEMBER ROWENA WATTERS. >> THE LOSS OF YOUNG LIFE IS TRAGIC. [01:30:01] A LIFE THAT IS SO PROMISING, WHAT SHE HAS SHOWN WILL INSPIRE US ALWAYS. OUR COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALWAYS CELEBRATE THESE SACRIFICES THAT ARE BEING MADE AND WILL BE MADE IN THE FUTURE. I SEND MY CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY AND EVERYBODY AFFECTED AND I PRAY FOR ALL THOSE DEPLOYED. THANK YOU. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER [CITIZEN COMMENT] REQUESTS TO SPEAK, I KNOW YOUR HEARTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH THE FAMILY. WITH THAT I AM GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC FORUM FOR THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK, I HAVE NO CARDS FOR THAT BECAUSE NOBODY EXPECTED TO, I INVITE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK IN TRIBUTE TO PRIVATE ISABELLA GONZALEZ TO DO SO BY APPROACHING THE PODIUM. YOU WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES APIECE, WE KNOW THIS IS DIFFICULT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> I AM FROM TEXAS, PRIVATE FIRST CLASS ISABELLA... SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THE LOSS AND CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY, COMMUNITY AND FRIENDS. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM AND FEEL FREE TO FORM A LINE IF THERE IS A FEW. THANK YOU COMMANDER. >> JOHN, COMMANDER OF AMERICAN LEGION POST 597. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE PRIVATE FIRST CLASS ISABELLA GONZALEZ, SHE DID INDEED UPHOLD THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF MILITARY SERVICE. WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS HOW WE FEEL, INTERVIEWED TODAY SEVERAL TIMES AND THEY ALWAYS ASK ME, WHY DOES IT MEAN SO MUCH? IT'S JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY THAT SERVED KNEW IT COULD HAVE BEEN HIM. THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT THERE NEXT TO HER. HOLDING HER UP, DOING EVERYTHING SHE WAS DOING. BUT SHE WAS THE ONE THAT DID IT. SHE GAVE HER LIFE FOR HER COUNTRY. IT COMES ME A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE SHE IS SIX YEARS REMOVED FROM MY SON. MY SON GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL SIX YEARS BEFORE SHE DID. HER PARENTS LIVE A QUARTER MILE FROM WHERE I DO. IT IS SO DIFFERENT. THAT COMMUNITY CONNECTION PLUS THE SERVICE CONNECTION, IT'S AMAZING. MY CONDOLENCES AND PRAYERS AND EVERYTHING TO SUPPORT TO THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS CLASSMATES, FELLOW SOLDIERS, OTHER SOLDIERS DEPLOYED. I MEAN THAT FROM THE DEEPEST REACHES OF MY HEART. AND JUST TO KNOW THAT WE WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER PRIVATE GONZALES, AND WE WILL ALWAYS BE THERE TO SUPPORT HER FAMILY. AS THE MAYOR SAID, NOT JUST THIS WEEK, NEXT WEEK, NEXT MONTH, WE WILL BE THERE FOR YEARS. LEGION HAS BEEN IN CARROLLTON SINCE 1947. WE WILL BE THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SALUTE PRIVATE GONZALEZ. >> THANK YOU COMMANDER. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. MY NAME IS RON BRANSON, 2930 CAMBRIDGE DRIVE IN CARROLLTON. AND AS A VIETNAM VETERAN, I WAS IN VIETNAM AT 19. WHEN I WENT IN DURING THAT PERIOD, IT WAS EASY TO GET IN. THEY WOULD TAKE ALMOST ANYBODY. TODAY THEY DON'T JUST TAKE ANYBODY, I CAN TELL YOU SOME COLLEGE GRADUATES HAVE BEEN TURNED DOWN GOING INTO THE MILITARY. MANY PEOPLE HEAR THE CALL, BUT ONLY A FEW STAND UP. MY HEART BREAKS FOR HER, SHE HAD A GREAT LIFE AHEAD OF HER, AND [01:35:02] THE CITY OWES HER A GREAT DEAL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. >> SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS, LET ME JUST AGAIN OFFER UP THAT THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM NOW AND WE WILL PICK THIS UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING. THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME. AS A COMMUNITY WE WILL GRIEVE TOGETHER AND PRAY FOR THE FAMILY AND SHOWER THE FAMILY WITH LOVE. THAT IS WHAT CARROLLTON DOES. THE BEST OF CARROLLTON SHINES BRIGHT DURING THE WORST OF TIMES, AND WE KNOW THAT THOSE IN THIS ROOM AND THOSE THINKING OF HER TONIGHT WILL CONTINUE TO DO AND LIVE UP TO THE STANDARD OF CARROLLTON, JUST AS SHE REPRESENTED THE BEST OF CARROLLTON SO FAR AWAY. ALL RIGHT. I CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM COUNCIL WITH THAT WE WILL PICK UP OUR NORMALLY SCHEDULED MEETING. MY FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS OUR CITIZEN COMMENT, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM, NORMAL AGENDA ITEM, ITEMS NUMBER 9 THROUGH 19, TO ADDRESS COUNCIL BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS, BUT IF ANYBODY WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON AGENDA ITEMS NINE THROUGH 19 ONLY, YOU MAY DO SO BY APPROACHING THE PODIUM NOW. SEEING NONE, COUNCIL I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. [CONSENT AGENDA ] WITH THAT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR DISCUSSION ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NINE THROUGH 19, NOTING THE MINUTES AND ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE AS STIPULATED. COUNCIL MEMBER CLINE? CAN YOU MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS NINE THROUGH 19, AND THE MINUTES AND NINE AND TEN AS STIPULATED. >> VERY GOOD. >> MAYOR PRO TEM DAISY PALOMO. >> THANK YOU MAYOR I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLINE AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM DAISY PALOMO TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM ITEMS NINE THROUGH 19 WITH ITEMS NUMBER 9 AND 10 AS STIPULATED. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE, COUNCIL I WILL CALL THE VOTE. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I WILL NOTE AS IT IS OBVIOUS UP THERE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING IS ABSENT DUE TO PERSONAL MATTERS. COUNCIL WITH THAT THAT TAKES US TO NUMBER 20. [PRESENTATIONS] PRESENTATION IF I CAN HAVE OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR PLEASE JOIN ME AT THE PODIUM? >> SO CARROLLTON IS A COMMUNITY THAT FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES WANT TO CALL HOME. WE ARE ALL HERE, WE JUST GAVE HONOR TO PRIVATE ISABELLA GONZALEZ, NO DOUBT ISABELLA SPENT MANY HOURS PLAYING ON OUR PARKS AND ENJOYING OUR RECREATION FACILITIES, AS ALL KIDS THROUGHOUT CARROLLTON AND ADULTS HAVE DONE FOR ALMOST OVER 100 YEARS IN CARROLLTON. AS WE CELEBRATE A PARKS AND REC MONTH, HOWEVER, WHICH IS ON THE AGENDA, I HAVE INVITED OUR PARKS AND REC STAFF DIRECTOR TO BE WITH ME, AND ON BEHALF OF OUR CITY COUNCIL I HAVE A PROCLAMATION I WILL READ SIGNED BY MY SIGNATURE, WHEREAS PARKS, TRAILS, OPEN SPACES, RECREATION PROGRAMS AND COMMUNITY FACILITIES ENRICH THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF RESIDENTS OF ALL AGES BY PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR HEALTH, WELLNESS, LEARNING, SOCIAL CONNECTION AND OUTDOOR ENJOYMENT. WHEREAS THE CITY OF CARROLLTON'S PARKS AND REC SYSTEM CONTRIBUTES TO A VIBRANT, RESILIENT AND [01:40:03] WELCOMING COMMUNITY BY PRESERVING NATURAL RESOURCES ENHANCING NEIGHBORHOODS, AND OFFERING RECREATIONAL, CULTURAL AND EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCES THAT STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY PRIDE. AND WHEREAS PARKS AND REC PROFESSIONALS WORK YEAR ROUND TO MAINTAIN SAFE ACCESSIBLE AND BEAUTIFUL PUBLIC SPACES WHILE PROVIDING INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS, EVENTS, ATHLETIC OPPORTUNITIES, SR. SERVICES, AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES THAT BENEFIT RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE, AND WHEREAS ACCESS TO QUALITY PARKS AND RECREATION PROMOTES PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, MENTAL WELL-BEING, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES TO CONNECT WITH ONE ANOTHER AND WITH NATURE. AND WHEREAS THE MONTH OF JULY IS RECOGNIZED NATIONALLY AS PARKS AND REC MONTH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE THE ESSENTIAL ROLE PARKS AND RECREATION PLAY IN BUILDING HEALTHY, INCLUSIVE AND THRIVING COMMUNITIES, AND TO RECOGNIZE THE DEDICATED PROFESSIONALS AND VOLUNTEERS WHO MAKE THESE OPPORTUNITIES POSSIBLE. NOW THEREFORE, I, STEVE BABICK, MAYOR OF THE GREAT CITY OF CARROLLTON AND THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS HEREBY PROCLAIM JULY 2026 AS PARKS AND REC MONTH, SIGNED BY MY SIGNATURE AS AUTHORIZED BY OUR CITY COUNCIL. AND I WILL PRESENT THIS TO OUR DIRECTOR, THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU MAYOR BABICK AND COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING JULY AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH. CARROLLTON IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE A DIVERSE PARK AND RECREATION SYSTEM THAT INCLUDES MORE THAN 1800 ACRES OF PARKLAND, MORE THAN 30 DEVELOPED PARKS, 20 MILES OF TRAILS, TWO RECREATION CENTERS, A SENIOR CENTER AND AQUATIC CENTER, TWO SPLASH PADS, MULTIPLE ATHLETIC COMPLEXES, TENNIS CENTER, GOLF COURSE, HISTORICAL MUSEUM, NATURE PRESERVE AND PROGRAMS AND EVENTS SERVING RESIDENTS OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES. AGAIN IN ADDITION TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL I WOULD LIKE TO THANK CITY MANAGEMENT, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT, VOLUNTEERS, PARTNERS, INSTRUCTORS, COACHES, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND EVERYBODY THAT SUPPORTS OUR PROGRAMS AND FACILITIES. THE STRENGTH OF OUR SYSTEM REFLECTS THE CONTINUED INVESTMENT AND GUIDANCE AND INVOLVEMENT OF OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. MOST IMPORTANTLY I WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF, MANY OF WHOM ARE STANDING UP HERE TONIGHT, EVERY DAY, OFTEN EARLY IN THE MORNING, LATE AT NIGHT, ON WEEKENDS AND IN THE TEXAS HEAT, THEY ARE HARD AT WORK TO MAINTAIN PARKS AND FACILITIES THROUGH PROGRAMS AND EVENTS, RESPOND WHEN SOMETHING NEEDS ATTENTION AND WORK BEHIND THE SCENES TO CREATE SAFE WELCOMING AND MEMORABLE EXPERIENCES. I AM EXTREMELY PROUD OF THEIR PROFESSIONALISM AND CREATIVITY AND DEDICATION TO CARROLLTON. I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO CELEBRATE PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH BY GETTING OUTSIDE, VISITING A PARK, JOINING A CLASS, ATTENDING AN EVENT OR TRYING SOMETHING NEW. THERE'S TRULY SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY TO DISCOVER AND ENJOY. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] OKAY COUNCIL OUR NEXT TWO ITEMS, ITEM NUMBER 20, AND 22 -- ITEM 21 HAS BEEN PULLED AT THE REQUEST -- OR WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT SO WE WILL NOT BE [20. 7678 Hold A Public Hearing To Consider An Ordinance To Amend, Restate, And Replace Special Use Permit 018 (SUP-018) To Allow “Tattoo Parlor, Piercing, And / Or Permanent Makeup Service” And To Remove “Day Care Center”, As An Allowed Use, In An Approximately 152 Square-Foot Space Zoned (LR-2) Local Retail District And Located At 2515 North Josey Lane; Amending The Official Zoning Map Accordingly. Case No. PLSUP 2026-076 Permanent Makeup.] TAKING ACTION ON ITEM NUMBER 21. ITEM NUMBER 20 IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND, RESTATE AND REPLACE SPECIAL USE PERMIT 018 (SUP-018) TO ALLOW "TATTOO PARLOR, PIERCING AND/OR PERMANENT MAKEUP SERVICE" AND TO REMOVE "DAY CARE CENTER" AS AN ALLOWED USE IN AN APPROXIMATELY 152 SQUARE FOOT SPACE ZONE, ARE TWO LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT AND [01:45:02] LOCATED AT 2515 NORTH JOSEY LANE AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ACCORDINGLY, THIS IS CASE NUMBER PLSUP 2026-076, PERMANENT MAKEUP. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE SCP BEFORE YOU IS MERELY TO 2 OUT OF THE PERMANET MAKEUP USE TO A BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE. IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR RETAIL BUT IT HAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A DAY CARE CENTER, IT HAS NOW BEEN IN OPERATION FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THIS IS A CLOSE UP VIEW, BUILDING BEING ON THE LEFT. THIS IS KIND OF THE GENERAL FLOOR PLAN OF THE BUILDING, AS YOU FACE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, ESSENTIALLY THE PERMANENT MAKEUP PORTION WILL ONLY MAKE UP 152 SQUARE FEET OF THE FLOOR SPACE. IT IS SHOWN HERE GENERALLY WHERE IT MAY LOCATE, HOWEVER, WE DON'T REALLY MIND IF IT GOES ANYWHERE AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T EXCEED 152 SQUARE FEET, THAT IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT AS PROVIDED IN YOUR STIPULATIONS. SO THE PURPOSES OF THIS CODE IS CURRENTLY A PERSONAL CARE SERVICES OR BEAUTY SALON RIGHT NOW, THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE PERMANENT MAKEUP AS ANOTHER ADDED FEATURE FOR THE BEAUTY SALON. THEY HAVE UPDATED THE BUILDING, THIS IS CURRENTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW, IT IS A BUILDING OCCUPYING THE BEAUTY -- THE BEAUTY SALON OCCUPIES THE ENTIRE SPACE BUT IT IS ONLY TO CONSIDER THE PERMANENT MAKEUP PORTION THAT WILL BE LOCATED IN THE BUILDING AND NOT EXCEEDING 152 SQUARE FEET. YOU MAY ALSO NOTICE THAT AS A TIME CONSTRAINT WITHIN THE STIPULATION SHOULD THE COUNCIL DECIDE TO APPROVE IT, THE BUSINESS HOURS ARE FROM 6-9:00 P.M. DAILY. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE WE BELIEVE THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT IS IN THE AREA, OBVIOUSLY I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHAPIRO? COUNCIL MEMBER WATTERS? >> MR. SHAPIRO GOOD EVENING, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINT ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IN THE PAST? >> YES, WE DID RECEIVE A TOTAL OF THREE COMMON CARDS AND IT WAS ONE THAT WAS IN OPPOSITION. WE RECEIVED TWO OF THEM AFTER WE HAD SENT OFF THE PACKET. >> DO ME A FAVOR -- [INAUDIBLE] >> THERE IS ONE COMMENT, OF THE TWO COMMENT CARDS THAT CAME IN SINCE WE SENT THE PACKAGE OUT LAST WEEK -- >> THESE ARE AT YOUR PLACE? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CARPENTER? >> THANK YOU MAYOR, MR. SHAPIRO WHEN YOU SAY 152 SQUARE FEET WITHIN THE BUILDING, IS IT POSSIBLE TO DIVIDE THAT AND HAVE TWO SUITES OF 75 SQUARE FEET SOMEWHERE IN THE BUILDING? I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT WE MEAN. >> OUR WHOLE PURPOSE WAS WE ONLY OCCUPY ONE AREA OF 152 SQUARE FEET. >> THERE IS NOT A SUITE THAT IS LESS THAN THAT I GUESS IS MAYBE A WAY TO SAY THAT? >> RIGHT NOW IT IS A CONCEPT, SO THIS IS ALL STUFF THAT CAN CHANGE. THE ONLY THING THAT GOES INTO THE SCP THAT WE WANTED TO REGULATE IS A LIMITATION OF THE MAXIMUM 152 SQUARE FEET. >> IF AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE ANOTHER SUITE WANTED TO OFFER THE SAME SERVICES, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? >> BY INCREASING THE SIZE AND THE NUMBER THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY FOR ANOTHER SUP. >> AND AGAIN IT WOULD NOT DESIGNATE A SPECIFIC AREA FROM THE BUILDING IT WOULD JUST INCREASE THE SQUARE FEET? >> , THE REASON IS THE FLEXIBILITY, WITH ANY TYPE OF SCP IN A LARGER BUILDING, THAT WAS WHY WE DID IT THAT WAY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM PALOMO? >> MR. SHAPIRO, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN -- THAT WAS THE LAST MEETING -- >> YOU ARE GOOD. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE CURRENT SETUP, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE SIGNAGE HAS BEEN UPDATED CALCULATOR LEASING OUT SUITES, AND THIS IS SPECIFIC TO ONE OF THOSE SUITES. HOW MANY SUITES ARE IN THIS NEW LOCATION, AND IS IT -- SO THE CURRENT SUP IS FOR THE DAY CARE, DOES IT HAVE TO BE CHANGED FOR [01:50:02] EVERYTHING? OR IS IT JUST FOR THIS ONE PARTICULAR CORNER? >> IT IS REALLY JUST FOR THE USE, WHICH IS THE PERMANENT MAKEUP, AND ALSO TO REMOVE THE CHILD DAY CARE, IT NO LONGER EXISTS. AS FAR AS THE FLOOR PLAN IS JUST A GENERAL LAYOUT OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING TO DO, IF YOU NOTICE IN YOUR PACKET FOR THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT FLOOR PLAN BECAUSE IT IS SUBJECT TO WHERE THAT EXACT 152 SQUARE FEET WILL BE LOCATED. >> OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH. I SEE THIS -- IT IS CLOSE TO MY HOUSE, THIS BUILDING PARTICULARLY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS AS YOU MENTIONED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE VIBRANCY IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER, AND SALON SUITES ARE NOT JUST PARTICULAR FOR MAKEUP, TATTOO OR TATTOOED MAKEUP. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD USE OF THIS AREA BUT THAT'S JUST ME. THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WATTERS? >> I THINK I WILL SAY IT'S A GOOD PLAN -- SORRY ABOUT THE TECHNICAL ISSUE. THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER AXBERG? >> TO CLARIFY AND COME OFF OF MAYOR PRO TEM PALOMO QUESTION, WHICH OF THE CIVIC SERVICES WILL BE PERFORMED AT THE LOCATION? IS IT JUST PERMIT MAKEUP ONLY OR IS IT A FULL BODY TATTOO? IS IT A PIERCINGS? CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT IS -- CAN YOU MAKE FROM WHAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED IT WOULD JUST BE PERMANENT MAKEUP PORTION, BUT I WILL SAY THAT AS COUNCIL KNOWS THE USE ITSELF IS ALSO UNDER ONE HEADING OF TATTOO OR PERMANENT MAKEUP. WITH THIS BEING A BEAUTY SALON AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDED ON THEIR NARRATIVE, THEY INDICATED IT WOULD BE FOR PERMANENT MAKEUP. >> THAT IS MY QUESTION, IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ITSELF WOULD ENCOMPASS ALL KINDS OF TATTOOS OR PIERCINGS THAT ARE KIND OF DEFINED CURRENTLY UNDER THE TATTOO AS YOU P, CORRECT? SO IF THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE IT WOULD PROHIBIT THEM FROM DOING OTHER TYPES OF TATTOOS OR PIERCINGS AT THAT LOCATION, NOR WOULD IT -- SOMEBODY ELSE WHO COMES IN -- CORRECT? >> YES. >> SORRY... ONE MOMENT. IS THAT -- SO I'M GUESSING THEN BASED ON YOUR ANSWER THEN THAT THE LIMITING OF THAT WASN'T REALLY AN OPTION WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THAT A PARTICULAR TATTOO PARLOR, THAT NEVER REALLY CAME UP WITH STAFF OR ASKED ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT TO BE ABLE TO PUT INTO THE SUP, RESTRICTED BUSINESS TO BE ABLE ONLY TO PROVIDE MAKEUP TATTOOS? >> WE EVALUATED IT OVER THE SMALL SIZE THEY WERE PROPOSING AND FROM MEETING WITH THEM OVER THAT TIME AND THE TIME CONSTRAINTS, THAT IS WHAT WE FOUND WAS THE BEST WAY OF RESTRICTING IT TO IT ONLY BEING 152 SQUARE FEET. >> THANK YOU THAT IS ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE MAYOR. >> OKAY, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL OR FURTHER FROM STAFF BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HERE? >> YES. >> WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO, THAT'S FINE. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, WITH THAT I WILL OPEN UP TO PUBLIC HEARING, WE DID HAVE TWO COMMENT CARDS PREMEETING, THE COUNCIL'S PLACE. I HAVE NO COMMENT CARD FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. BUT I DO INVITE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION ON THIS TO DO SO BY APPROACHING THE PODIUM NOW. APPROACH THE PODIUM AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD EVENING. SECOND TIME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL THAT I WOULD SAY IT HAS BEEN A FEW YEARS. [UNCLEAR] MY HUSBAND AND I, FOR SOME 27 YEARS, IN THE PREVIOUS ISSUE IT WAS ALONG THE LINES OF NUMEROUS NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE BEEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS. MY CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS THAT YOU HAVE A PERSON WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY OVER THE WHOLE AREA IS THAT NOT CORRECT? AND THEY HAVE -- THEY ARE IN THE POSITION TO LEASE DIFFERENT [01:55:03] SPOTS. IT COULD BE A VAPE SHOP. WHAT ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO ASSURE THE NEIGHBORS THAT IT IS BASICALLY BODY TATTOOING OR MAKEUP RATHER, AND NOT LEANED INTO SOMETHING ELSE? TO GENERATE REVENUE? WHICH CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT TOO WIDE OPEN AND I DON'T SEE ANYONE IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL NECESSARILY VISITING THE SHOP TO ENSURE THEY HAVE A FULSOME BUSINESS APPROACH TO THE AREA. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT SHOPS IN THAT AREA, WHETHER IT IS A DOUGHNUT SHOP OR SOME OTHER SERVICE UNIT, THAT IT'S A FAMILY ORIENTED. NOT LENDING TO SMOKING AND NOT LENDING ITSELF TO VIDEO GAMES, RATHER HAVE CHILDREN GOING HOME AND READING OR BEING BABYSAT IN THAT TYPE OF THING. THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE. >> THANK YOU. WE HEARD YOUR CONCERN, I'M SURE SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL ASK AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING PART IS CLOSED OUT. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS, IF ANYBODY WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON THIS BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION, YOU MAY DO SO BY APPROACHING THE PODIUM. SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YOU HEARD TESTIMONY FROM THE RESIDENT. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CARPENTER? >> MR. SHAPIRO JUST TO CLARIFY, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO WANT TO OPEN A VAPE SHOP THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER PROCESS THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO DO THAT IS THAT TRUE? >> RIGHT, A SMOKE SHOP RETAILER IS ACTUALLY ALLOWED IN THE LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT WHICH IS WHAT THE ZONING IS. >> OKAY THERE WOULD NOT BE A SUP REQUIRED FOR THAT? OKAY, THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTER? >> I WAS GOING TO ASK JUST TO MAKE SURE [UNCLEAR] THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OFFICES, SALONS, WHATEVER IT IS, MASSAGES ARE ALLOWED I REMEMBER THAT, A LOT OF SALONS WILL OFFER MASSAGE. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE SCOPE. >> THE APPLICANT CAN GIVE A BETTER ANSWER TO THAT, AS FAR AS THE PERSONAL SERVICES IS WHAT THE CEO IS RIGHT NOW. IF IT IS APPROVED TONIGHT IT WOULD JUST ADD THE PERMANENT MAKEUP FOR THE 152. >> THE ONLY THING WE ARE DOING TONIGHT IS THE 152 SQUARE FEET FOR PERMANENT MAKEUP? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER AXBERG? >> THANK YOU MAYOR. BASED ON THE COUNCILWOMAN'S COMMENT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ONCE AGAIN THAT EVEN THOUGH THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT THEIR INTENTION OF UTILIZING THIS FOR MAKEUP, THE SUP ITSELF IS NOT RESTRICTED SOLELY TO MAKEUP. IT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR ANY FORM OF TATTOO OR PIERCING BASED ON THE SUP IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, BECAUSE IT'S UNDER THE SAME CATEGORY AND SAME LICENSE. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY COUNCIL I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER REQUESTS TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION UNLESS THERE IS FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCIL MEMBER CLINE? >> MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 20. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTER. >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLINE AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTER TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 -- 20, EXCUSE ME. WHICH IS CASE NUMBER PLSUP 2026-076 PERMANENT MAKEUP, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE I WILL CALL THE VOTE. I WILL REMIND YOU THAT COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING IS ABSENT FOR PERSONAL MATTERS. THE MOTION PASSES WITH COUNCIL MEMBER AXBERG IN OPPOSITION. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE APPLICANT. THE NEXT ITEM NUMBER 21 AGAIN WHICH IS CASE NUMBER PLSUP 2026-064 ST. ANTHONY SPORTS [22. 7673 Hold A Public Hearing And Consider A Resolution Adopting The Program Year 2026 Community Development Block Grant One-Year Plan Of Action And Budget.] FIELD HAS BEEN PULLED BY THE APPLICANT, WE WILL NOT TAKE ACTION. ITEM NUMBER 22 IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE PROGRAM YEAR 2026 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT ONE YEAR PLAN OF ACTION AND BUDGET. COUNCIL MEMBER -- I'M SORRY -- [02:00:06] [UNCLEAR] >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL, COREY, SERVICES DIRECTOR. AS THE MAYOR SAID WE HAVE A RESOLUTION IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR ONE YEAR ACTION PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDING. OCTOBER FIRST OF THIS YEAR, CITY COUNCIL IS EXPECTED TO RECEIVE 756 AND $716,000 IN NEW FUNDING FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GRANT FUND. IN ADDITION TO THAT ALLOCATION, STAFF HAVE ALSO ALLOCATED AN ADDITIONAL HUNDRED $21,384 IN UNSPENT FUNDING TOWARDS THIS YEAR'S ACTION PLAN. A A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUND, EACH YEAR THE CITY OF CARROLLTON RECEIVES ROUGHLY $750,000 IN NEW FUNDING THIS FUNDING MUST BENEFIT LOW TO MODERATE INCOME CARROLLTON RESIDENTS, AND THAT IS ACHIEVED THROUGH OUR HOUSING REPAIR PROGRAM, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AS WELL AS PUBLIC SERVICES. WHILE IT HAS LIMITED INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, THOSE RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED AND THIS YEAR PLAN. AS WELL AS THE CAP ON THE PUBLIC SERVICE AMOUNT OF NO MORE THAN 15% OF THAT TOTAL ALLOCATION. THE FIRST PROJECT IS $700,000 FOR INFRASTRUCTURE RECONSTRUCTION IN THE CARIBBEAN NEIGHBORHOOD, IS A FRAME OF REFERENCE, THAT STREET ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN THAT IS CROSBY, THIS WOULD BE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST AT MARVEL TURNER. THAT WILL REBUILD THE STREETS, REMOVE THE EXISTING CULVERTS TO INSTALL STORM DRAINS, AS WELL AS SIDEWALKS. NEXT WE HAVE $125,000 ALLOCATED TO OUR ONGOING HOUSING REHABILITATION PROGRAMS AT 95000, THE MIGHTY HOME REPAIR PROGRAM, 35,000 TO EMERGENCY REPAIR. NEXT, $113,000 TO METRO SERVICES, THEY WERE THE ONLY PUBLIC SERVICE AGENCY THAT REACHED OUT TO US TO APPLY FOR THIS FUNDING SO THEY RECEIVED THE FULL AMOUNT THAT WAS AVAILABLE. NEXT, $90,000 FOR THE STAFF SALARY FOR THE ADVANCED CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, AGAIN THIS CODE OFFICER IS OPERATING IN THIS LOW TO MODERATE INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS TO ENSURE THAT THOSE APARTMENT UNITS ARE SAFE AND LIVABLE FOR OUR CARROLLTON RESIDENTS. $50,000 FOR ONGOING TRAINING OF STAFF THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION BUDGET. AGAIN LEGAL NOTICES, OTHER PROMOTIONAL PROJECT MATERIAL. SO ALL TOLD WE HAVE A TOTAL ALLOCATION OF $1,078,000 FOR PROGRAM YEAR 2026. WITH THAT I WILL ASK COUNCIL TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONSIDER THE RESOLUTION FOR ADOPTION AND SUBMITTAL OF THE PLAN. WITH THAT HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK OKAY THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO I WILL OPEN THAT UP ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I DO THAT FOR OUR DIRECTOR? SEEING NONE, I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS FOR ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM BUT I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYBODY WISHING TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY ON THIS BEFORE COUNCIL TAKES ACTION TO APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW. SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL, AND UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I ASK FOR A MOTION AS AMENDED BASED ON WHAT IS WRITTEN. MAYOR PRO TEM? THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 22. >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CARPENTER. >> THANKS MAYOR, I WANT TO MAKE A SECOND TO THE MOTION, JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE STAFF AND LOOKING THROUGH ALL THE OPTIONS, THERE ARE SOME GREAT OPTIONS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT MONEY SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM PALOMO TO APPROVE THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 AS AMENDED AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CARPENTER ON THE SAME MATTER. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE, I WILL CALL THE VOTE. [02:05:04] THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT, WE APPRECIATE STAFF'S TIME. AND FOR THE DELIBERATIONS ON [PUBLIC FORUM] THIS AS WELL. WITH THAT THAT TAKES US TO OUR PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON MATTERS NOT ON THE AGENDA TO DO SO. I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS FOR THIS, I WILL REMIND ALL SPEAKERS TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR, AND THAT YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL. WITH THAT I WILL TAKE THIS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, MY FIRST CARD IS TONY ACKERMAN. HE WILL APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS TONY ACKERMAN, A HOMEOWNER HERE, FATHER, REGISTERED VOTER. I AM HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE THE DUTY BY OUR CITY COUNCIL TO PERFORM ADEQUATE DUE DILIGENCE FOR THE FLOCK CAMERAS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AND PLAGUE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. LOOKING BACK AT THE AGENDA NOTES FROM THE 10TH OF SEPTEMBER, 2024, YOU CAN SEE EVERYONE IN THIS COUNCIL EXCEPT FOR LISA SUTTER WAS A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. THERE WERE NO DOCUMENTED CONCERNS. I ASSUME WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ON THIS IN THE PAST, WE MAY HAVE OTHER PEOPLE SPEAKING ON THIS TONIGHT AS WELL, THEY PROBABLY SHARED SIMILAR CONCERNS OF PRIVACY, MISUSE, FUTURE ANATOMIC UNDISCLOSED EXPENSES BUT I'M HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT ABOUT HOW I BELIEVE THESE OPEN UP THE CITY TO POTENTIAL EXPENSIVE LEGAL RISKS AND POSSIBILITY OF FUTURE LITIGATION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS EXPOSED OUR CITIZENS TO. IN 2018 THE SUPREME COURT RECOGNIZED SOME CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITS ON WARRANTLESS COLLECTION OF CELL PHONE LOCATION DATA, IN THE CASE OF CARPENTER VERSUS UNITED STATES. I HAVE JUST A FEW QUOTES I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE FROM THAT RULING THAT I FEEL ARE DIRECTLY APPLICABLE FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER AS THESE CONTRACTS COME DUE FOR RENEWAL. LET ME SEE... A LITTLE BIT QUICKER SO I'M TRYING TO BREEZE THROUGH THIS. IN FACT "IN FACT, HISTORICAL CELL SITE RECORD PRESENT EVEN GREATER PRIVACY CONCERNS THAN GPS MONITORING, CONSIDERED IN THE JONES CASE. THEY GIVE THE GOVERNMENT NEAR PERFECT SURVEILLANCE AND ALLOW THEM TO TRAVEL BACK IN TIME TO RETRACE A PERSON'S WHEREABOUTS." I BELIEVE THAT DIRECTLY MIRRORS WHERE WE ARE HEADED WITH THIS FLOCK SURVEILLANCE, AND THAT IS MY TIME PERIOD. >> IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHERS YOU WANT TO LEAVE WITH A SECRETARY? >> GREAT, THANK YOU. >> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS KURT, ALSO SPEAKING ON THE FLOCK ALPR. YOU WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES WHEN YOU START. >> MY NAME IS KIRBY AND I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. YOUR STEWARDSHIP IS A MAJOR REASON CARROLLTON REMAINS ONE OF THE MOST DESIRABLE AND HIGH VALUE CITIES IN NORTH TEXAS. I MOVED TO CARROLLTON IN 1985, MY WIFE'S FAMILY HAS DEEP ROOTS HERE AND BOTH OUR DAUGHTERS GRADUATED FROM THIS HIGH SCHOOL. WE HAVE LIVED IN A COUNTRY HOME SINCE 1999. CARROLLTON IS NOT JUST WHERE WE LIVE IT IS HOME. ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE ALWAYS VALUED ABOUT OUR CITY IS HOW SAFE AND ATTRACTIVE AND ATTENTIVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE. YEARS AGO A NEIGHBOR'S STOLEN HONDA ACCORD WAS RECOVERED BECAUSE A RESIDENT NOTICED SOMETHING UNUSUAL THAT WAS 700 ACCORDS PARKED ON THE STREET. HE CALLED THE POLICE. THERE IS A CRIME SOLVED BY A COMMUNITY PAYING ATTENTION THAT IS THE CARROLLTON I KNOW, ENGAGED, OBSERVANT AND PROTECTIVE OF ONE ANOTHER. I WANTED TONIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT FLOCK AND THE GROWING DATA COLLECTION IT REPRESENTS, AM A VERY PREDICTABLE DRIVER, MY 2018 TRUCK HAS 35,000 MILES ON IT. IF SOMEBODY ASKED ME WHERE I DRIVE I WOULD PROBABLY TELL THEM IF ASKED. A FLOCK CAMERA COLLECT THAT INFORMATION WITHOUT ASKING. IT IS BUILDING A DATA SET ABOUT ME, MY HABITS AND MY ROUTE. THAT FEELS LESS LIKE A PUBLIC SAFETY AND MORE LIKE MY PERSONAL DATA BEING TAKEN WITHOUT CONSENT. IF I HAD CONFIDENCE THIS INFORMATION WAS STRICTLY SAFEGUARDED WITHIN CARROLLTON PD I MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE ARE PAYING A CORPORATION TO BUILD AN ASSET THEY PROFIT FROM USING DATA WE CANNOT [UNCLEAR]. WHEN I VISIT THE WEBSITE I DECLINE COOKIES. CAN'T CHOOSE TO HAVE MY LICENSE PLATE NOT READ WHEN I GO TO CHURCH OR VISIT MY GRANDCHILDREN. IT RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS, WHY IS THE LONGER TERM STORAGE OF RESIDENTS MOVEMENT PATTERN NECESSARY? CAN THE CITY VERIFY THAT THE DATA COLLECTED IN CARROLLTON IS [02:10:02] DELETED ON SCHEDULE, CAN FLOCK WERE ANY THIRD PARTY ANALYZE DEVIATIONS INTO MY ROUTINE AND A DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR? DO THEY CROSS-REFERENCE THOSE DEVIATIONS WITH OTHERS TO SUGGEST PATTERNS OR UNDESIRABLE ACTIVITY? >> PLEASE WRAP IT UP. >> I WOULD LIKE TO URGE COUNCIL TO NOT RENEW HIS CONTRACT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS HANNAH REGARDING FLOCK. YOU WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES ONCE YOU START TALKING. >> HELLO THANK YOU TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND PUBLIC FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT, I'M A THIRD GENERATION TO THE AREA AND CARE DEEPLY ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE ASKING YOU TO END SURVEILLANCE PROGRAMING IN CARROLLTON. I'M ALL IN ON THE VISION TO CREATE A COMMUNITY THAT FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES CALL HOME, CURRENTLY I BELIEVE OUR FLOCK ALPR PROGRAM IS WORKING AGAINST THE GOALS OF THE CITY. I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO RESIDENTS ACROSS CARROLLTON AND HEARD CONSISTENTLY A LACK OF AWARENESS OF THIS PROGRAM. I DO NOT DENY THE POWER THIS POWER TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT IS A FORCE MULTIPLIER BUT WHEN WE FEEL LIKE RESIDENTS ARE CURRENTLY LACKING INFORMATION. WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR VISION FOR THE PROGRAM WHAT METRICS ARE BEING USED TO MEASURE SUCCESS, HOW EFFECTIVE HAS THE PROGRAM BEEN, WHAT GUARDRAILS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED TO KEEP DATA SAFE AND SECURE AND HOW EFFECTIVE HAVE THESE GUARDRAILS BEEN? I DEPEND ON DATA TO FORM OPINIONS AND MAKE DECISIONS, I HAVE MADE WELL OVER 30 OPEN RECORDS REQUEST, I HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY DENIED DATA THAT OTHER CITIES CAN PROVIDE AND I HAVE BEEN SENT THE WRONG DOCUMENTS AND SENT AN INVOICE FOR OVER $1400. IT SHOULD NOT BE THIS DIFFICULT OR EXPENSIVE FOR A CITIZEN TO UNDERSTAND A CITY PROGRAM. I RECENTLY DID SEE THAT CPD TRANSPARENCY PAGE WAS UPDATED LAST WEEK TALKING ABOUT A FLOCK TRANSPARENCY, THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, YOUR WORK TO LIFT OUR COLLECTIVE VOICE ABOUT THIS ISSUE HAS MADE AN IMPACT. LANGUAGE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY THOUGH IS NOT THE SAME THING AS TRANSPARENCY. THE OUTLINED AUDIT PROCESS IS INSUFFICIENT. THIS PROGRAM AND THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY ERODES THE TRUST IN POLICE, OUR POLICE DESERVE TO HAVE TOOLS AND RESOURCES NEEDED TO DO THEIR JOB BUT RESIDENTS DESERVE TRANSPARENCY. FOR THAT REASON I'M ASKING THE MEMBERS TO PLEASE END ALL CONTRACTS AND ENSURE THERE IS OVERSIGHT ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY IN POLICE PROGRAMS. SURVEILLANCE IS NOT A SAFETY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS J.J. AGAIN YOU WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES ONCE YOU START. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MY NAME IS J.J., I LIVE HERE IN CARROLLTON. I AM HERE TONIGHT TO RESPECTFULLY ASK THIS COUNCIL TO END CARROLLTON'S CONTRACT WITH FLOCK SAFETY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING ANTI-POLICE, OUR OFFICERS DESERVE EFFECTIVE TOOLS TO INVESTIGATE CRIME. BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TARGETED LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MASS SURVEILLANCE, ORDINARY LAW ABIDING RESIDENTS. EVERYDAY FLOCK CAMERAS RECORD INNOCENT RESIDENTS CREATING SEARCHABLE HISTORIES OF WHERE WE HAVE BEEN EVEN WHEN WE HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE VALUES OF THE FREE SOCIETY. MY CONCERNS ARE SIMPLE, FIRST WE SHOULD NOT NORMALIZE COLLECTING MOVEMENT DATA ON EVERY RESIDENT SIMPLY BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY MAKES IT POSSIBLE. SECOND, MANY RESIDENTS ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A PRIVATE COMPANY MAINTAINING HISTORICAL RECORDS OF WHERE WE TRAVEL. AND THIRD, OUR TAX DOLLARS SHOULD PROTECT BOTH PUBLIC SAFETY AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS I NOT FUND SYSTEMS THAT COLLECT INFORMATION ON EVERYONE FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER. THESE CONCERNS ARE NOT HYPOTHETICALS, JUST LAST WEEK IN TEXAS, A POLICE SERGEANT RESIGNED WHILE UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR ALLEGEDLY MISUSING FLOCK CAMERAS TO STALK A FEMALE POLICE OFFICER. CARROLLTON CAN PROTECT BOTH PUBLIC SAFETY AND CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTY. TONIGHT I ASK YOU TO STAND FOR PRIVACY CAN I CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTY AND PUBLIC TRUST. I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO STAND WITH RESIDENTS YOU REPRESENT AND END CARROLLTON'S CONTRACT WITH FLOCK SAFETY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRISTIAN HERNANDEZ, ALSO SPEAKING ON FLOCK. YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES ONCE YOU START. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN HERNANDEZ, [02:15:03] I LIVE JUST ON DANIEL WAY. I HAVE LIVED IN CARROLLTON FOR ALMOST A DECADE NOW, LAST TIME I CAME TO SPEAK BEFORE COUNCIL WAS THE DAY BEFORE I OFFICIALLY MOVED HERE, AND I'M BACK AGAIN WITH THE SAME GOAL AS BEFORE -- TO ADVOCATE FOR SAFE AND WELCOMING CITY I CAN CALL HOME. I WAS THINKING TONIGHT TO RAISE MY SERIOUS OBJECTIONS TO THE CITY'S ONGOING TIES TO THE DECEIVINGLY NAMED BUSINESS FLOCK SAFETY. AS A WOMAN, ONE OF THE THINGS I VALUE MOST IN MY DAY-TO-DAY LIFE IS MY SAFETY. I LIVE AND WORK IN CARROLLTON, PART OF THE APPEAL MOVING HERE WAS THAT I COULD BE 10 MINUTES AWAY FROM MY WORKPLACE, AND NOT TOO LONG AGO I READ UP ON HOW FLOCK AND THEIR AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS WERE ALPR TECHNOLOGY USED TO TRACK DOWN WOMEN CHARACTERS STALK THEM WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. IN THE COURSE OF THEM OR US SEEKING HEALTH CARE, DRIVING TO WORK AND GENERALLY LIVING OUR LIVES. I DON'T THINK I NEED TO BELIEVE OR HOW IMPORTANT CONSENT AND SAFETY IS TO ALL OF US. AS AN OLDER SISTER OF THREE OTHER WOMEN ONE OF WHOM ALSO LIVES IN CARROLLTON, I CANNOT OVERSTATE HOW VIOLATING IT IS TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE CONSTANTLY BEING WATCHED. RECENTLY I LEARNED THAT MY COMMUTE TO WORK FEATURED NO FEWER THAN SEVEN CAMERAS. THAT IS ONE CAMERA FOR EVERY ONE MINUTE OF MY COMMUTE. THE MOST CONCERNING FACT OF ALL IS THAT THERE IS NO ASSURANCE OF WHO IS BEHIND THE CAMERA, THESE CAMERAS ARE CREEPY, THEY DO NOT KEEP ME OR ANYBODY ELSE SAFE, THESE CAMERAS ARE A LIABILITY, THESE CAMERAS ARE HEADLINE WAITING TO HAPPEN. WE DESERVE BETTER THAN CREEPY CAMERAS TO KEEP US SAFE. I IMPLORE THE COUNCIL TO RECOMMIT TO A CITY THAT IS SAFE AND WELCOMING BY ENDING THESE CONTRACTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MY NEXT SPEAKER CLAIRE DIEGO. WELCOME BACK. >> YOU SAID MY NAME RIGHT THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CLAIRE, I AM A SIX YEAR CARROLLTON RESIDENT, I MOVED HERE IN 2020, I LIVE IN CONCORD DRIVE. I AM HERE TO ASK THE CITY POLICE TO HOLD A HEARING ON FLOCK SAFETY BEFORE THE UPCOMING CONTRACT. FOR CONTEXT I'M A CPA WITH 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE GIVE OR TAKE, MUCH OF THAT IN PUBLIC SERVICE SPECIFICALLY I DID A BUDGETARY PROGRAM FOR THE U.S. NAVY. AND I'M PRETTY WELL ACQUAINTED WITH THE TRADE OFFS AND SYSTEMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE HERE TO CONSIDER IN MAKING CARROLLTON A GOOD PLACE FOR ALL OF US TO LIVE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE IN DOING THIS. I ALSO NOTICE YOU GUYS HAVE PUBLISHED A NEW TRANSPARENCY PAGE, THANK YOU THAT IS A GOOD FIRST STEP. I WOULD LIKE AS A RESIDENT OF THE CITY TO SEE MORE THAN JUST TRANSPARENCY PAGE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE METRICS THAT EXPLAIN WHAT IS BEING DONE WITH OUR DATA, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY HOW EFFECTIVE THE PROGRAM ACTUALLY IS. I WOULD APPRECIATE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT REALLY LOOKS LIKE FOR US. WHEN YOU CONSIDER AS AN EXAMPLE THIS PROGRAM SHOWS ROUGHLY 0.2 PERCENT OF THE VEHICLE HOLLISTER'S THAT THEY OR -- SORRY 0.2 PERCENT OF THE VEHICLE DETECTIONS ACTUALLY CAPTURED A THEFT, THAT'S NOT AN ARREST OR CONVICTION, THAT IS JUST A PERSON [UNCLEAR] SO WHEN WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT IS TAKING UP AS MUCH DATA FROM RESIDENTS, WE NEED REAL MEANINGFUL DATA THAT SUPPORTS THAT THIS IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TODAY, OR THIS IS MORE EFFECTIVE THAN OUR TRADITIONAL POLICING METHODS. AND SO PRIOR TO GOING AND RENEWING THIS CONTRACT, I HOPE THE COUNCIL NOT ONLY HOLD A HEARING SO RESIDENTS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT BUT ALSO TO GIVE US THE DATA SO WE CAN MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT FOR OURSELVES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS NICK, IF YOU WILL PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM SPEAKING ON FLOCK SAFETY. >> I FORGOT TO WRITE MY LAST NAME. I LIVE ON TRINITY SPRINGS, I AM A RESIDENT OF CARROLLTON. I WANT TO START WITH A THANK YOU, IF I HAVE LEARNED ANYTHING FROM LIVING AND WORKING WITH METROPLEX IT TAKES AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF HARD WORK TO LIVE IN A LARGE CITY SUCH AS THIS. THERE IS A COUNTLESS NUMBER OF FACES AND NAMES I WILL NEVER KNOW THAT ENSURE THAT EVERY DAY I RECEIVE READY ACCESS TO CLEAN DRINKING WATER AND ELECTRICITY DESPITE THE 105-DEGREE HEAT. YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILORS ARE PART OF THAT HARD WORK SO [02:20:04] THANK YOU. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CITY'S CONTRACT WITH FLOCK SAFETY I WAS DISAPPOINTED, BECAUSE I UNDERSTOOD IT FOR WHAT IT WAS WHICH IS A SHORTCUT TO A PROMISE OF SECURITY AND SAFETY. NUMEROUS INVESTIGATIONS AND STUDIES OF CITIES THAT HAVE HAD CONTRACTS WITH FLOCK SAFETY HAVE SHOWN THAT FLOCK SAFETY DOES NOT PROVIDE SAFETY NOR DOES IT PROVIDE SECURITY, INSTEAD IT PROVIDES NUMEROUS OPPORTUNITIES TO ABUSE TECHNOLOGY, ABUSE CAMERAS, IN ORDER TO SURVEIL, HARASS AND STALK RESIDENTS OF THE CITIES THAT PARTNER WITH FLOCK SAFETY. I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO HOLD A HEARING ABOUT FLOCK SAFETY'S CONTRACT, AND IN MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION PLEASE CANCEL THAT CONTRACT AND DO NOT RENEW IT. I THINK IT IS BAD FOR CARROLLTON AND MANY PEOPLE HERE AGREE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. OKAY, MY LAST CARD IS KENNETH? >> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS KENNETH, LIBERTARIAN PARTY. I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL SHORTLY AFTER SEPTEMBER 11TH. AND I HAVE SPENT MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE WATCHING GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE EXPAND ONE EMERGENCY, ONE NEW TECHNOLOGY AT A TIME. I AM A PART OF THE FIRST MASS SURVEILLANCE GENERATION IN THIS COUNTRY. WE ARE REPEATEDLY TOLD THAT THESE PROGRAMS WILL BE TEMPORARY. NARROWLY TARGETED, AND RESERVED FOR SERIOUS THREATS. INSTEAD THEY BECOME PERMANENT, A BROADER AND SHIPPED FROM INVESTIGATING SUSPECTS TO COLLECTING DATA ABOUT EVERYBODY. FLOCK CAMERAS ARE THE LATEST STEP IN THAT PROGRESSION. THEY DO NOT SIMPLY HELP LOCATE STOLEN VEHICLES AND KIDNAP CHILDREN, THEY CREATE SEARCHABLE RECORDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SUSPECTED OF ANY CRIME. MY BACKGROUND IS IN DATA ANALYTICS AND DATA SCIENCE. WITH ENOUGH LOCATION DATA, YOU CAN RECONSTRUCT SOMEBODY'S LIFE. WHERE THEY WORK, WORSHIP, RECEIVE MEDICAL CARE, WHO THEY VISIT, WHICH POLITICAL MEETINGS THEY ATTEND, AND THE ROUTINES OF THEIR FAMILY. THE POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE IS NO LONGER HYPOTHETICAL. THE INSTITUTE FOR JUSTICE HAS IDENTIFIED AT LEAST 24 CASES OF OFFICERS USING LICENSE PLATE READER DATA TO STALK ROMANTIC INTERESTS. IN JOHNSON COUNTY, DEPUTY SEARCHED MORE THAN 83,000 FLOCK CAMERAS NATIONALLY DURING AN ABORTION INVESTIGATION REACHING INTO STATES WHERE THE CONDUCT WAS LEGAL. THE SYSTEM CANNOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN LEGITIMATE PUBLIC SAFETY FROM PERSONAL OR POLITICAL ABUSE. IT SIMPLY GIVES ANYBODY WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM THE POWER TO SEARCH. THE BURDEN BELONGS TO GOVERNMENT TO JUSTIFY SURVEILLANCE OF A SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL, NOT TO RESIDENTS TO JUSTIFY TO THEIR PRIVACY. OFFICIALS UNWILLING TO DEFEND THE PRINCIPLE SHOULD EXPECT VOTERS TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND I INTEND TO HELP ORGANIZE THAT ACCOUNTABILITY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS TO SPEAK BUT IF ANYBODY WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC YOU MAY DO SO BY APPROACHING THE PODIUM NOW. SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. I WILL NOTE THAT WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER IMPOSED TO COUNCIL FROM CLAIRE DIEGO OVER THERE. COUNCIL WITH THAT WE WILL ADJOURN OUR MEETING FOR JULY 21ST. ♪ ♪ SOLEMNLY. ♪ ♪ * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.