Aug 11, 2026 City Council

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>> ALL RIGHT. WELCOME, WELCOME.

TO ALL OF OUR VISITERS. THE HAPPY BACK TO SCHOOL DAYER IF CARROLLTON SCHOOLS. THE DOG DAYS OF SUMMER ARE CERTAINLY WITH US DESPITE SCHOOL STARTING AGAIN.

COUNCIL, WITH THAT WE'LL START OUR AGENDA REVIEW.

OKAY, COOL. AND WE WILL START WITH OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 9 -- APPROVAL OF THE JULY 21, 2026, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MOVING ON TO NUMBER 10. CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 3 WITH NEW LIST DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION DALLAS LLC FOR ADDITIONAL WORK ON THE WOOD LAKE ENHANCEMENT T THES PROJECT NOT TO EXCEED $127,778 .96 INCREASING THE TOTAL CONSTRUCTION AMOUNT TO 3,392,058 .12 CENTS. THIS IS SOME FINAL ADA IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK EVERYBODY HAD A GREAT TIME THERE AT THE RIBBON CUTTING THIS WEEKEND.

I THINK THERE WERE A FEW PUNCHLESS ITEMS THAT WERE FOR FUTURE RECOMMENDATIONS, SO MORE TO COME ON THOSE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM THOUGH?

>> THIS IS PHASE 2. >> PHASE 1.

>> THERE WILL BE ONE MORE PHASE AFTER THIS.

>> ONE OR TWO. >> AND WE'LL HAVE MORE ON THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING. NUMBER 11 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING 73 TRAFFIC SCHEDULES. SECTION 1A5, A7,INGS AND A8 BY READVISING THE AFFECTED TIMES OF THE SCHOOL ZONES.

WE HAD ALREADY DONE CFBI. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 12 AND NUMBER 13 ARE BOTH PID ORDINANCES FOR THE CARROLLTON CASTLE HILLS DISTRICT NUMBER 1 AND 2. THIS IS YEARS 10 AND 20 AND 9 AND 20 FOR THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS. AS YOU'LL RECALL, THIS IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE FUND IF YOU WILL. THAT'S A NOTE AGAINST ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THE WE SERVE SIMPLY AS AN INTERMEDIARY COLLECTOR, AND WE REMITTED TO THE BID.

SO THIS IS THE DOCUMENTS THAT'S PRESENTED TO US EVERY SINGLE YEAR NO CHANGE BUT IT'S PROCEDURAL.

THAT HAS TO BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL EVERY YEAR.

>> I APPRECIATE STAFF ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.

MY MAIN QUESTION WAS IS IT ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE LAST YEAR AND THE ANSWER WAS NOPE, SO.

>> NOPE. AND IT HASN'T BEEN FOR TEN YEARS

NOW. >> AWESOME.

>> NUMBER 14. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE CONTRACT NUMBER 3 THE ENGINEERING DESIGN CONTRACT WITH WALTER P MOORE AND ASSOCIATES FOR THE CARROLLTON HEIGHT STREET RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 28,200.

>> ACTUALLY DROVE THROUGH THERE TODAY, AND IT'S LOOKING REALLY

GOOD. >> YEAH.

IT'S ALWAYS, THESE THINGS ALWAYS LOOK SO NICE WHEN THEY'RE DONE.

THANK YOU FOR POINT THAT GO OUT. NUMBER 15.

CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AS MAY BE NECESSARY FOR THE CITY TO ACQUIRE A CERTAIN REAL INTEREST IN PUBLIC PROPERTY FOR THE PUBLIC USE OF CARROLLTON HEIGHTS AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGE TORE TAKE ALL THE STEPS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE INTENT OF THIS RESOLUTION AND ESTABLISH, ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

WE DO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE'LL ACTUALLY FLASH UP THE VARIOUS SLIVERS OF PROPERTY THAT ARE IN QUESTION.

THEY'RE REAL PROPERTY TRANSACTIONS.

THAT IS WHY THEY ARE GOING TO BE SHARED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION BUT THIS IS BASICALLY KIND OF AN UMBRELLA AUTHORIZATION BASED ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ANY QUESTIONS. NUMBER 16 SAME THING.

JUST A DIFFERENT NEIGHBOURHOOD. BASICALLY T THIS IS TO NEGOTIATE AND ACQUIRE A CERTAIN INTEREST IN REAL PROPERTY FOR THE PUBLIC USE OF IMPROVEMENTS TO FRANKFURT ROAD AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGE TORE TAKE ALL STEPS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE INTENT OF THIS RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

SO I AM SAME THING. THIS LIST WILL ALSO BE SHARED.

>> APPRECIATE THAT. MY MAIN CONCERN WAS EMINENT

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WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS BECAUSE THIS USED TO BE AN ISSUE WHEN WE DID THIS BEFORE SO WE JUST TOOK THAT OUT.

>> THANK YOU. >> HISTORICALLY THIS WOULD BE FULLY NEGOTIATED BACK AND COUNCIL COULD COME BACK.

THIS IS TO BECOME MORE EFFICIENT AND SHOW YOU THE LIST AND AUTHORIZE IT ACCORDINGLY. NUMBER 17.

THE CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH ALPINE X FOR THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY-OWNED PROPERTY AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE IN DISTRICT 35.

THE FORMER NTTA SITE OR FORMERLY KNOWN AS.

THIS IS AS WE HAD A WORK SESSION THIS IS A NON-MINDING MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, HAS NO CALLERS TO IT THAT IF EITHER PARTY CHOOSES TO WALK AWAY AS A RESULT OF NEGOTIATING OR ENTERING INTO THE MOU THAT IT WOULD HAVE ANY IMPACT TO THE CITY.

IT DOESN'T. WHAT IT DOES IS AN AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED SO THAT ALL THE HUNDREDS OF QUESTIONS THAT WE ALL STILL HAVE AND HEARD FROM OUR CITIZENS, POWER USE AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER AREAS. WE DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE ANSWERS BECAUSE WE ARE EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

BUT THIS IS AN AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED THROUGH A MOU NON-MINDING TO ALLOW US TO GET TO THOSE QUESTIONS INCLUDING WHO DOES WHAT, WHO WILL ULTIMATELY OWN WHAT, BUILD WHAT, HOW DOES THE STATE PARTAKE IN IT, WHAT ARE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS AND LAND RECLAMATION ISSUES UPSTREAM,

DOWNSTREAM, ET CETERA. >> WHAT WOULD THE NEXT STEP BE WHEN WE HEAR MORE A A GROUP OR GROUP?

>> GOOD QUESTION. >> AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL ULTIMATELY WITH A MER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH AUTHORIZATION.

>> IS THERE ANY INTERIM DEVELOPMENT?

>> THE DISTRICT 35 COMMITTEE WILL CONTINUE TO JUST LIKE THE TOD COMMITTEE MEET ON THOSE ITEMS, THAT COMMITTEE WILL LIKELY HAVE MULTIPLE IT AGOS OF UPDATE AND SO FORTH AS WELL IN ADVANCE OF THE MASTER PLAN AND BEFORE COUNCIL ACTUALLY MAKES A DECISION IT WILL HAVE ITS OWN WORK SESSION AND SO FORTH.

>> ISN'T IT PART OF THE TOURS? IS.

>> IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THE TARIFFS, YES.

>> FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PURPOSES ONLY?

>> SO TODAY IT IS ONLY WHERE WE HAVE IT, IT IS FOR PROPERTY TAX AND FOR INFRASTRUCTURE OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO THE EXTENT THAT NOT ON THE AGENDA BUT TOURS AVAILABLE IT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE AN ADJACENCY TO THAT AND BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT.

THAT WOULD BE SALES TAX DOLLARS AS WELL.

AND AS YOU'LL RECALL, THIS PARTICULAR ONE HAS LEGISLATION.

THAT LAST SESSION WE ENCOURAGED OUR LEGISLATORS TO ADD THE CITY OF CARROLLTON TO A FINITE LIST OF CITIES THAT ARE AUTHORIZED UNDER STATE LAW TO PARTICIPATE IN SALES TAX DERIVED FROM THE PROJECT TO BE USED IN THAT AREA. WE HOPE WE THINK TO PUSH FOR THAT SAME OUTCOME DURING THIS LEGISLATION.

>> BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT PARTICULAR AREA IS THE TAX INCREMENT REFINANCING ZONE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ONLY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M ASSUMING THAT IS THE CASE.

>> ROBBIE, IS IT PART OF THE TOURS TODAY?

IS. >> YES, IT IS.

ROBBIE SHAW. >> SO YES.

YOU'RE RIGHT. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PULL THIS FOR SEPARATE, CAN. IT'S A BIG DEAL AND SHOULD VOTE

ON IT SEPARATELY. >> I HAVE IT MARKED TO PULL IT.

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR ROBBIE AND THE TEAM BUT DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER CANDIDATES FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND AFTER WE DETERMINED THE VIABILITY OF BUILDING ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL OF LAND?

>> DID WE HAVE ANY INQUIRIES? NO.

>> SO WE HAD TWO FILES ON RFQ WHICH IS QUALIFICATION, AND THAT INCLUDED INTEGRAL. AND THAT INCLUDED THIS GROUP.

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>> WE ARE ACCUSED THE DISTRICT COMMITTEE 35 PROCEEDED TO SELECT THE RFP AND SINCE THEN WE MET WITH THE COMMITTEE SEVERAL TIMES TO GO OVER THE PLAN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING BASICALLY MAKE THEM HAVE THE PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL AND ASK THEM FOR THE RIGHT QUESTIONS FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING TO KIND OF DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DUE DILIGENCE AND WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED, AND WHAT THIS MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING DOES IS TAKE IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO DO FURTHER DUE DILIGENCE WITH THEM.

>> SO US AGREEING TO THIS MOU TODAY, DOES THAT TIE US TO STAYING WITH ALPINE X FOR THE DURATIONS?

>> THE ANTICIPATED TIMEFRAME FOR THE MOU WOULD BE A ONE-YEAR DURATION WITH A CAVEAT THAT BOTH PARTIES COULD AGREE TO EXTEND THAT FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS OR SO IF WORK IS PROCEEDING WITH THAT. SO YES, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO WITHOUT THE MOU OR WITH PARTNERSHIP OF ALPINE X.

>> A PROJECT OF THIS M MAGNITUDE OBVIOUSLY WILL LIKELY HAVE SOME PLAN DEVELOPMENT ASPECTS TO IT WHICH DO HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED WITH THE PLAN. THE PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE WILL LIKELY HAVE FUNDING ASPECTS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT BUT THE ABSOLUTE DOLLARS AND HOW MUCH AND WHAT THE STATE PROVIDES VIA VARIOUS VEHICLES IS NOT KNOWN YET.

I THINK THE MOU IS I USE THE TERM AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED SIMPLY TO SAY THAT IF YOU DON'T SEE CARROLLTON EVER ENTRAINING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND NEVER KNOW MORE, YOU SHOULD VOTE NO.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE INTRIGUED, NOT CONVINCED BUT INTRIGUED, YOU SHOULD VOTE YES BECAUSE THERE'S NO SKIN OFF OUR GAME OTHER THAN ALLOCATING STAFF TIME TO IT.

IS THAT FAIR? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

IN FACT ALL THE STUDIES THAT WOULD BE CONDUCTED FOR THE SITE FOR DUE DILIGENCE PURPOSES, THE COST WOULD BE WON BY THE

DEVELOPER NOT BY THE CITY. >> IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT COMPANIES THAT USE MOUS USE IT TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND EXPLORE PARTNERSHIPS AND DEALS. SO IF YOU GO TO A BANK AND SAY I'M INTERESTED IN DOING BUSINESS IN CARROLLTON.

WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL OF THIS STUFF.

THEY'LL SAY DO YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT? IS THERE ANY UNDERSTANDING? A MOU PROVIDES SOMETHING IN WRITING. NOT A COMMITMENT IN THE CITY OR FROM THE OTHER PARTY BUT JUST THAT THEY HAVE A COMMITMENT TO EXPLORE MORE. YOU'RE BASICALLY ALLOWING THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN BE ABLE TO GO PUBLICLY AND TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE EXPLORING AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING TO SHOW THAT BEYOND A VERBAL AGREEMENT.

I THINK THAT'S A KEY POINT. YOU KNOW, NONE OF OUR DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT ARE INTENDED TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE FULSOME DISCUSSION WE HAD LAST WEEK WITH ALL THE DETAILS OF OUR POTENTIAL PARTNER, RIGHT. BUT AXBERG RAISES A KEY POINT.

THE MOU IS THE SOFTEST. THE NEXT MIGHT BE A LETTER OF INTENT WHICH COULD BE BINDING OR NONBINDING AND THEN A BINDING LETTER OF INTENT VERSUS THE NONBINDING OR A SOFTNESS THERE.

BUT A MOU IS PROBABLY THE LEAST, IT'S REALLY JUST THAT.

I WANT TO LEARN MORE. I HAVE A TON OF QUESTIONS.

YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS YET, SO LET'S CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE BEFORE WE ASK COUNCIL FOR THE NECK STEP OF AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED. YES.

>> THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS I HAD, AND STAFF WAS ABLE TO RESPOND TO IT. BUT THE ONE THAT STANDS OUT MOST WAS THAT ONE YEAR. AND IF WE NEEDED TO WALK AWAY, THEN WE CAN. MENT AND YOU MENTIONED ONE YEAR.

THAT WAS REASSURING TO ME. >> SO CAN THEY.

>> IF DURING THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS THEY FIND OUT THAT FOR ANY REASON THE SITE IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DEVELOP ON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT AWAY AS WELL.

>> I THINK THE PROCESS THAT WE LEARN MORE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BOTH DECIDE THAT WHAT WAS ENVISIONED IS NOT A VIABLE DEVELOPMENT THERE. BUT IN THIS PROCESS OVER THE NEXT YEAR, RIGHT, THROUGH A MOU WE WILL LEARN MORE OF WHAT POTENTIALLY IS POSSIBLE THERE. I THINK THIS IS AS MUCH ABOUT

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ELSE. >> IT ALSO BENEFITS THE DEVELOPER SO THEY CAN GO OUT THERE AND SEEK PARTNERS.

>> OR PARTNERS. >> VERY IMPORTANT FOR THIS

PROJECT. >> OKAY.

IT'S AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY. LIKE WE SAID LAST TIME NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM ANY OF THAT PRESENTATION BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CARROLLTON HAS NEVER DONE.

OTHER THINKS HAVE. WE HAVE NEVER DONE THIS TYPE OF THING. THIS IS FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION. I ALREADY GOT THIS MARKED SO WE'LL PULL THAT. NUMBER 18 THROUGH 21 AND 22 ARE ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS. 22 IS A SCRIPTED ITEM BECAUSE IT DEALS WITH THE TAX RATES, SO JASON CARPENTER AS OUR FINANCE CHAIR WILL LEAD THE MOTION. HE HAS THE SCRIPT TO FOLLOW.

AND DAISY AS OUR MAYOR PROTERM SECOND IT.

WHEN WE GET TO THAT ITEM AT THE DAIS FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION, JUST RECOGNIZE THAT'S WHO I WILL TAKE THE MOTION FROM AND THE SECOND. YOU CAN ALL OPINE AS YOU WILL, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE TAKE THE VOTE.

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KAREEM IF YOU'LL JUST GIVE US AN INTRO AT THE PODIUM.

>> THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND AUDIENCE.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION EVERY YEAR WE COME TO THIS POINT WHERE COUNCIL IS PREPARING THE BUDGET AND GOING THROUGH ALL THE EXERCISE OF WHAT IS BEING ALLOCATED IN DIFFERENT BUCKETS.

AT THE END OF THE YEARS IF COUNCIL SEE THERE IS SOME SURPLUS FUNDING LEFT FROM VARIOUS SOURCE, THEN THEY WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND CERTAIN CATEGORIES WHERE THEY FEEL THAT BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THEY HAD THAT THAT WOULD BE THE OPTIMAL USE OF FUNDS. SO IF THERE IS ANY OPPORTUNITY WHERE COUNCIL HAVE SURPLUS FUNDS, HERE IS THE ORDER OF PREFERENCE THAT CPAC WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.

FIRST. >> IS THAT PART OF YOUR BUDGET?

>> PAGE 151. >> I HAVE A COPY.

>> SORRY. WE DON'T HAVE THIS SIDE.

>> NO WORRIES. SO.

>> GIVE AUTOS PAGE NUMBER. >> PAGE 151.

>> 151 IN YOUR BOOK, GUYS. >> GO AHEAD.

YOU CAN START. >> SO FIRST PRIORITY IS AT LEAST WHAT I HEARD FROM THE STAFF AS WELL THAT HE IS NUMBER 1 COMPLAINTS HE GETS FROM THE CITIZENS THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES. THIS THE FIRST CATEGORY TO PROPOSE TO SPEND MONEY ON. THE SECOND IS A CORDIAL ENHANCEMENT. HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB OF DOING THAT BUT WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SEE MORE BEAUTIFICATION AND ENHANCEMENT PROJECTS AROUND THE CORRIDORS.

THE THIRD CATEGORY WOULD BE FACILITIES.

ALL THE YOUNG, OLD, MIDDLE AGE, EVERYBODY ENJOYED ALL THE FACILITIES WE HAD SO WE WOULD LIKE TO ENHANCE THAT.

YOU DID AN AMAZING JOB LAST YEAR AS WE HAD SIDEWALKS BUT HAVE LOWERED IT DOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB ON SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS. BUT WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE ON IT AS WELL. RESIDENTIAL STREET LIGHT WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF WHEN WE ARE DOING NEIGHBOURHOOD IMPROVEMENTS, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS BEING MINDFUL OF REPLACING STREET LIGHTS IN THE NEIGHBOURHOODS.

I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE PRIORITIES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND AND CONTINUE DOING.

AND LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST PUBLIC SAFETY IS A FAVOURITE OF ALL. WE HAVE BEEN VERY GENEROUS WITH PUBLIC SAFETY BUT THIS IS ANOTHER KEY COMPONENT WHERE CARROLLTON CITIZENS FEEL SAFE AND SECURE BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND AS HIGH PRIORITY AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE CATEGORIES WE JUST READ.

>> I THINK I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE COMMITTEE AS THEY LOOKED AT AND CAME UP WITH THIS CRITERIA HEALTHY, ENGAGING, ACTIVE,

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OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT UNDERNEATH EACH OF THOSE WORDS.

AND THEN OUR HOME GOALS HOSPITABLE, OPTIMAL, MOTIVATIONAL, AND ECONOMICAL. I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN KIND OF FUNDAMENTAL TO CPAC'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.

>> MAYOR YOU HIGHLIGHTED VERY RIGHTFULLY SO BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A COPY PASTE FROM LAST YEAR.

THERE ARE A FEW NEW MEMBERS WHO BRING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. DIFFERENT FEEDBACK AS WELL.

SO BASED ON THAT AND KEEPING VISION IN MIND ONCE THEY ARE SECURED I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND BEYOND THAT OF COURSE CORRIDORS AND FACILITIES ALL THAT BRINGS THE QUALITY OF LIFE TOGETHER FOR THE CITIZENS.

>> SO ANY RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THIS.

THIS IS PART OF OUR ANNUAL PLANNING PROCESS.

THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO THIS YEAR BUT ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO OFFER UP OUR THANKS.

THIS IS NOT EASY WORK. THIS COUPLED WITH A BOND COUPLED WITH COUPLED WITH. A LOT OF WORK.

SO WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK BY THE COMMITTEE IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING THIS GUIDANCE ESPECIALLY WITH OUR ONE-TIME DOLLARS THAT WE CAN AUGMENT BOND DOLLARS TO LEAN INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPITAL PROJECT INVESTMENTS AS YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED.

>> I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN GREAT IN SUPPORT OF CPAC. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL. THAT TAKES US TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM WHICH IS TO DISCUSS THE FISCAL YEAR 2017 PROPOSED BUDGET. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION HERE.

WE ARE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH THIS TONIGHT.

WE HAVE A TAX RATE VOTE THAT SET IT AT KIND OF THE HIGHEST RATE THAT IT POSSIBLY CAN BE WHICH WE WILL TAKE FROM THE DAIS.

I'LL REMIND YOU WE HAD A RETREAT WHERE WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE ATBS REALLY AND WILL BE DIVING INTO THE SPREAD SHEET NEXT MEETING NOT THIS MEETING. WE WILL ALSO BE DEALING WITH THE COMMUNITY FUNDING GRANT COME AND CONCIERGE COMMITTEE WITH RESPECT TO THEIR RECOMMENDATION NEXT MEETING AS WELL.

THIS JUST KICKING OFF THE FORMAL BUDGET PROCESS NOW THAT WE HAVE THEM DISTRIBUTED AND CERTIFIED ROLES.

>> MELISSA EVERETT. WE ARE PASS AROUND AN UPDATED PAGE OF 157. THERE IS A ROUNDING .00001 ON THIS PAGE AT THE VERY BOTTOM. THAT JUST SWITCHED BETWEEN DEBT AND BUT NO MAJOR IMPACT ON THE BUDGET.

WHAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT TODAY IS VARIOUS PARTS OF THIS BUDGET.

WE WILL DISCUSS A PROPOSED TAX RATE.

THAT IS OUR AXBERG ITEM TO COME OUT OF TONIGHT.

IT IS YOUR CEILING. BUT ONCE WE SET IT YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE THAT IN OUR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

WE'LL CONFIRM THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE AND THE VOTING DATE.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD NEXT WEEK WHERE AT THE TRADITIONALLY ALWAYS SPEND THAT SESSION PROGRAMMING WHAT IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU. SO JUST AS A REMINDER, HAD IS A CYCLICAL PROJECT AT THE END OF OUR YEAR END.

WE START THE BUDGET ROTE WHEN OUR YEAR IS FINISHED BACK IN MARCH. WE START THE PLANNING PROCESS.

BACK IN FEBRUARY AND DEVELOPED A BUDGET OVER SIX, SEVEN MONTHS.

SO THIS IS A LONG EFFORT FROM STAFF TONIGHT FOR YOU ARE GUYS.

SO THIS IS COMING UP OVER THE CALENDAR OVER THE NEXT UM CAN OF WEEKS. SO WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER WEEK AND WE ARE SCHEDULED TO ADOPT ON THE FIRST.

AS PART OF THIS BUDGET PROCESS WE MAKE SURE WE ARE MEETING THE FINANCIAL STANDARDS ACCOMPLISHED BY COUNCIL.

WE REVIEW THAT WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

WE STRATEGICALLY DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE NEED TO CHANGE BASED ON THREATS AND LEGISLATION THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE REVIEW.

AND WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES THIS YEAR WITH THIS BUDGET ON STUFF. SO YOUR MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT YOU HAVE THIS YEAR IS THE ADDITION OF FOUR NEW FUNDS RELATED TO THE STORMWATER. BECAUSE IT IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND, ALL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDED INTO YOUR BUDGET.

SO YOU HAVE THREE NEW ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

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YOU ALSO HAVE THE NEW CAPITAL FUND RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE FUNDED BY THE STORM WATER FUND. THOUGH GO SPECIFICALLY INTO THOSE FUNDS. THAT THE PHILOSOPHY TO GOVERNMENT. THAT NOT OUT IN THE REST OF THE WORLD. IT IS SO THAT WE CAN GUARANTEE DOES WE SHOWED OUR CITIZENS THAT WE ARE USING THAT MONEY SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PURPOSE ON STUFF.

THE OTHER MAJOR CHANGE THAT WE HAD IS A CHANGE IN ACCOUNTING ALLOCATION RELATED TO TAX REVENUE.

THIS IS THE PAGE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM LAST YEAR. IT ALSO IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE ON YOUR GENERAL FUND CHANGE WHICH HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHLIGHT. WE WILL GET INTO IT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL BUT WE STRATEGICALLY MADE THIS CHANGE TO TRY TO GET AHEAD OF MAYBE SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE THREATS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIPE TO WHERE OUR HANDS MAYBE AREN'T AS TIED TO WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH THE OTHER WAY WE WERE AT COUNTY FOR THE FUNDS BUT I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT DETAIL. SO YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDES 19 OPERATING FOR 10 FLEET AND 10 CAPITAL FUNDS.

I WANTED TO POINT OUT WHERE THOSE NEW FUNDS LIVE FOR YOU ON THOSE STORMWATER ONES HERE. THE TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE YEAR IS 356,103,213. THAT'S A 9% INCREASE BUT THAT IS LARGELY DRIVEN BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN ALLOCATION RELATED TO THE TAX ALLOCATIONS. SO IT IS JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF ACCOUNTING FOR IT. THE TOTAL BUDGET IS 116AL MANY.

IT'S DOWN A LITTLE BIT BUT PRIMARILY DRIVEN BECAUSE WE HAD ONE-TIME CONTRIBUTION FROM THE COUNTIES FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN. THE TRADITIONAL FUND IS THE LARGEST GOVERNMENTAL FUND. IT PAYS FOR OUR TRADITIONAL SERVICES LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY DEVELOPMENT CSISS.

THAT'S 70% OF OUR BUDGET. SO 70% OF OUR GENERAL FUND GOING DIRECTLY TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY WHICH INCLUDES POLICE, FIRE, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, DISPATCH, COURT AND ENVIRONMENTAL CTVS AND ANIMAL SERVICES. OUR RECURRING FUNDS YOU'LL SEE A PRETTY BIG INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES AND THAT SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE ARE ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THE REVENUE NOW INSIDE THE GENERAL FUND. WHAT WE CHANGED THIS YEAR IS WE WILL START TRANSFERRING THAT MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND INTO STREETS AND CAPITAL DEDICATED LIKE WE DID IN THE PAST. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE WAY WE FUND THOSE BUT JUST FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT.

WE USED TO SEND THAT MONEY DIRECTLY TO THE FUND AND NOW WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE GENERAL FUND FIRST AND THEN TRANSFERRING

IT OUT LATER. >> SO THIS SAYS PROPERTY TAX IS $91 MILLION GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND.

HOLD ONTO THAT NUMBER. >> HOLD ONTO THAT NUMBER.

WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT SHORTLY.

THIS NUMBER DOES DRIVE OUR TRUTH AND TAXATION.

IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME ITEMS THAT'S NOT GOING TO TIE TO YOUR PAGE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S INTERESTS, THERE'S CASES THAT SETTLE LATER ON A LITTLE BIT LATER AND WE DO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN OUR 91 MILLION YEAR.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK ONE PAGE? ONE MORE.

TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET 356. >> THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE YOUR OPERATING IS ACTUALLY EVERYTHING FROM THIS TO THE OTHER SIDE.

>> I WAS JUST THINKING THAT ONLY ADDED UP TO 160.

>> SO YOU HAVE OTHER OPERATING COSTS.

THOSE ARE ALL OPERATING FUNDS NOT CAPITAL.

THEY'RE ONE-YEAR BUDGETS. SO THE TOTAL OF ALL OF THESE FROM ONE TO THE SIDE IS THAT 356 MILLION.

THIS COLUMN HERE IS YOUR 116. DOES THAT ANSWER.

SO THE 116 MILLION IS YOUR TOTAL REVENUE OPERATING GOING INTO THE

REVENUE FUND. >> IS THIS ALONG THE FUNDS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN EXPECT FOR PROPERTY AND SALES TAX.

>> YES, MA'AM. THE SALES TAX IS WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED. WE HAVE SEEN OUR FRIENDS LIKE WE NORMALLY DO. ITS BASED ON THE 75-25 WITH THE 75% OF OUR RECURRING BASED ON FINANCIAL POLICIES.

IT DOES SHIFT A LITTLE BIT. IT APPEARS THAT YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE RELINT LIGHTNING ON PROPERTY TAXES IN YOUR GENERAL FUND BUT AGAIN IT'S BECAUSE OF OUR CHANGING METHOD IN ALLOCATION RELATED TO THE PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS.

>> BUT THERE'S PROPERTY TAX, PROPERTY VALUES CHANGE.

>> THIS NUMBER CHANGE. >> THIS NUMBER CHANGE.

>> CORRECT, YES. >> SO PLUS OR MINUS RIGHT DEPEND

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ADJUST ACCORDINGLY. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> WHAT WOULD BE THE CATEGORY UTILITY PILOT?

>> SO THAT IS TRANSFERRED FROM THE REVENUE FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND AND JUST THE UTILITY FUND PAYING TAXES FOR THE USE OF THE

LAND IN THE CITY. >> JUST CURIOUS WHAT WERE THE

CHANGES? >> EXPENDITURE CAPS.

WHEN WE PUT A CAP ON THE GENERAL FUND, WHAT IT IS SAYING IS YOU CAN'T SPEND ANYMORE. YOU USED TO HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER DIFFERENT TAX RATES IN THERE.

SO PART OF THE MONEY THAT'S RELATED TO TAXES WERE FUNDING STREETS AND ROADS. WE ARE PUTTING IT INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO HAVE A LONG-TERM ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS TO USE THOSE PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS IN A MORE STRATEGIC WAY DOWN THE ROAD. IF THE GOVERNOR AND THE LEGISLATOR IS GOING TO PUT A CAN A ON WHAT OUR GENERAL FUND CAN SPEND, WE WANT TO TRY TO GET AHEAD OF THAT, AND THE WAY WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF THAT IS PUTTING ALL THE MONEY IN HERE FIRST AND

THEN TRANSFERRING IT OUT LATER. >> SO MELISSA, DO YOU HAVE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE TAX RATE HAD MULTIPLE ITEMS AND WE USED TO TAKE VOTES ON MULTIPLE ITEMS. THE NOW WE'LL TAKE IT ON TWO.

DO YOU HAVE THE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON IN THIS DECK?

>> I DO NOT. I CAN BRING IT TO THE NEXT.

>> TO EXPLAIN THE. >> THIS IS ABOUT MAKING SURE THE CITY IS PREPARED FOR LEGISLATIVE THREATS THAT RELATE TO PROPERTY TAX. THERE USED TO BE A 8% CAP YEAR OVER YEAR ON PROPERTY TAX. LAST YEAR DURING THE SESSION THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS AND BILLS THAT WERE EVERYWHERE FROM TWO AND A HALF TO 1 AND A HALF, OKAY.

AND THERE WAS A CARVE OFF OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

I WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND SO YOU CAN AACQUIT THAT $91 MILLION OF PROPERTY TAX SOURCE VERSUS HOW MUCH IS SPENT ON PUBLIC SAFETY. I THINK WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS WE'RE TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT AND WE'RE ALIGNING OURSELVES PROACTIVELY WITH WHERE THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING.

>> I JUST DON'T WANT TO TIE OUR HANDS TOO QUICK.

WHAT CAN WE DO? BECAUSE WE SEE THE EFFECTS GO IN ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT OURSELVES INTO A BAD PLACE NEXT YEAR AND SAY WE ARE ALREADY BEHIND THE 8 BALL.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID.

>> IT'S ALSO VERY TRADITIONAL TO PUT IT AWAY THIS SAY.

WE ARE NOT OUT OF THE NORM BY DOING IT THIS WAY.

>> MAKES SENSE. >> SO HOW MUCH OF THE 37 MILLION SALES TAX HAVE WE PUT ASIDE WITH THE STATE DESTINATION,

ORIGINATION ISSUE THAT WE HAVE. >> 4 MILLION.

>> 4 MILLION. >> AND THAT'S IN YOUR BUDGET.

>> BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THAT.

>> THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. >> IT IS NOT.

WE TAKE A HAIR CUT ON THAT. BUT IT IS DOCUMENTED.

AND IF YEAR OVER YEAR OVER YEAR THAT DOESN'T OCCUR IT IS JUST

SWEPT INTO. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

IT BECOMES PART OF YOUR ONE-TIME AVAILABLE FUN FUNDING.

>> WE INTERRUPTED YOU SORRY. >> IT'S OKAY.

IT'S SCARY TO GET INTO DETAILS AROUND THE PROPERTY TAXES AND WHY THAT NUMBER IS 90 MILLION OR 91 MILLION.

WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF LAW.

IT IS A MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION.

IT IS IN THE BACK OF YOUR DOCUMENT.

I THINK IT'S 13 PAGE OF NUMBERS. IT INCLUDES YOUR DEBT SERVICE CALCULATION AND YOUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF TERMS THAT COME OUT OF IT.

ONE IS YOUR NO NEW REVENUE RATE. YOUR NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS LOOKING AT PROPERTIES YEAR OVER YEAR AND PRODUCING THE SAME AMOUNT OF LEVY. YOUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS THE 3 AND A HALF% GROWTH THAT THE MAYOR JUST SPOKE ABOUT.

YOUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CAN GROW BY 3AND A HALF PERCENT PER YEAR PLUS ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT COMES ON THIS

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SO WE START GETTING VALUES BACK IN APRIL, SO WE GET THEM ON APRIL 30TH. THAT'S DICTATED BY LAW.

IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY UPDATE AROUND BPP.

THOSE RENDITIONS ARE DUE TO THE COUNTIES ON APRIL 15TH.

AND THEN THEY COME IN. USUALLY GET THEM IN EARLY TO MID MAY. BUT THE VALUE WE START WITH FROM THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICTS IS THIS PRELIMINARY VALUE HERE.

SO WHEN WE GOT OUR NUMBERS IN APRIL, OUR VALUE SHOWED UP AT $26.3 BILLION. OVER THE NEXTING FEW MONTH IS WHEN RESIDENTS APPEAL AND YOU GET YOUR FINAL VALUE THAT COMES TO US ON JULY 25TH. THAT'S WHERE THIS $24 BILLION NUMBER COMES FROM SO THIS IS WHAT IT IS FOR THIS YEAR.

IT IS ACTUALLY DOWN BY THIS POINT LAST YEAR COMPARED TO LAST YEAR ON SECOND HALF STAFF. THERE WAS AN EXTREME NUMBER OF HIGH NUMBER. YOU CONTINUE TO SEE DECREES OF PROTESTS THAT COME IN. 35% OF OUR PROPERTIES WENT UNDER PROTEST. WHAT YOU SAW WAS THAT LOSS OF 7.92% OF OUR VALUE FROM LAST YEAR.

IN COLIN COUNTY WE LOST 7.8% OF OUR CERTIFIED VALUE FROM LAST YEAR. THE MARKET CHANGED PUT ARE APPEALING MORE SO YOU HAVE THAT STUFF.

WE ALSO HAD NEW EXEMPTIONS THAT COME IN SO I WILL GO TO IT BY TYPE. IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE BUT IT IS A PAGE IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK. IF THAT IS 157 THIS IS PAGE 159.

YOU CAN SEE HOW WE BREAK DOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

I HIGHLIGHTED THIS NUMBER HERE BECAUSE A NEW EXEMPTION WENT INTO MACE. THE AND WE LOST $326 MILLION IN TAXABLE ASSESS EVALUATION BECAUSE OF AN INCREASE THAT WENT TO 325,000. IT WENT FROM 2,500 TO 125,000 PER LOCATION PER PARCEL IN THE CITY.

SO THIS IS ABOUT $1.7 MILLION IN LEVY WE LOST.

THE OTHER CHANGE IT ALSO INCREASED A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT 326. THE BPP ALSO DEPRECIATES VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE DEPRECIATING OF YOUR ASSETS YOU HAVE IN YOUR REAL PROPERTY SO YOUR EQUIPMENT, THOSE TYPES OF ITEMS THEY HAVE. SO THAT DEPRECIATES.

AL WE ALSO LOST SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY ON THAT SIDE AS WELL.

>> AND THAT WAS LAST YEAR'S LEGISLATION.

>> THAT WAS LAST YEAR. >> AND THAT'S THE KEY IS THAT AGAIN OUR LEGISLATORS BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE THROWING OUT OUR ARBITRARY NOT CAPS AND EXEMPTIONS.

THE IT'S ALL GOOD. WE ALL WANT LOWER TAXES.

WE NEED TO HELP EDUCATE OUR LEGISLATORS AND WE WILL DO THAT.

THAT'S PART OF WHY WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE THIS YEAR TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE INFORMED AND WE INFORM THEM AS TO HOW SOME OF THESE IMPACTS AFFECT OUR LOCAL BUDGET AND OUR ABILITY.

WHILE THEY ARE THROWING OUT CAPS THAT ARE MORE PUNITIVE THAN

THAT. >> LAST YEAR BEING YOUR REFERENCE TO THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

>> YES, THANK YOU. >> IT SHIFTED A LOT TO OUR COMMERCIAL REAL OWNER OF PROPERTIES BECAUSE OF THE PROTEST. WE SAW THE HOME VALUE MARKETS CAME DOWN IN VALUE OF ITEMS. SO IN TOTAL THIS IS WHAT OUR ASSESSED EVALUATION CHANGE LOOKED LIKE FOR THE YEAR.

AGAIN, WE REDUCED 5.21% OF OUR TOTAL ASSESSED EVALUATION FOR THE YEAR. SO THAT INCLUDES NEW GROWTH.

I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PICTURE

OF EVERYTHING. >> SO MELISSA ON TYPICALLY THAT'S RARE. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT

HAPPENS THAT IT DECLINES. >> THE LAST TIME WE DECLINED.

>> 2009. >> 2009.

>> WHICH WOULD MAKE SEN FOR THAT, SURE.

>> WITH THE POPULATION GROWTH YOU WOULD THINK THAT'S HAPPENING EVERY SINGLE DAY. YOU WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD HAVE UPWARD PRESSURE ON APPRAISALS NOT DOWNWARD

PRESSURE. >> PERSONALLY I THINK DIDN'T IT

KIND OF OVERSHOOT APPRAISALS? >> I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT

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HAPPENED. >> AND THAT'S AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

>> SO THAT LIKELY SHOULD IF THEY GOT IT RIGHT THIS YEAR AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S HARD AT THIS LEVEL BUT IF THEY GOT IT RIGHT THIS SHOULD BE AN ANOMALY. WE SHOULDN'T SEE THIS NEXT YEAR

BUT WE SHOULD PLAN FOR THAT. >> WENT DOWN AND DOWN WHERE THEY'RE MORE AGGRESSIVE ON THEIR EVALUATIONS AND DALLAS COUNTY REALLY KEPT A STEADY NUMBER. THE SO OUR NET TAXABLE VALUE FOR THE CITY IS 23.7. THIS IS WHAT OUR BUDGET IS BUILT ON. IT IS ADJUSTED BECAUSE WE DO TAKE 65% OF THAT VALUE WHEN IT GOES INTO THAT FUND SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE INVESTMENTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND STUFF SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT FUND. THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED BUDGET THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU COMES IN ON A FLAT TAX RATE.

IT IS BELOW THE BATTER RATE, AND THE MNO PORTION OF THIS IS ACTUALLY BELOW THE TAX RATE. THE PROPOSED TAX RATE WE DO HAVE TO SET IT TONIGHT IN ORDER TO START THE ADVERTISING PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN ADOPT ON HE WANT IS 1ST.

>> YEAH. AND SO AGAIN 12 STRAIGHT YEARS OF TAX RATE DECREASE PUTS US IN A POSITION THAT WE'RE NOT SEVERELY HARMED BY THE MOVEMENT RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. >> WE'RE ACTUALLY IN A PRETTY GOOD SHAPE COMPARED TO SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING CITIES THAT ARE

FURLOUGHING AND OTHER THING. >> THESE ARE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE TAX CALCULATION IS A MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION.

IT'S JUST THE WAY THE MATH, WOULD.

WHEN THE TOTAL VALUE GOES DOWN, THE OTHER NUMBER GOES UP ON STUFF. SO THIS IS WHAT IS IN YOURIC

BOO. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR BATTER MEANS VOTER BASED TAX RATE. THAT THE RATE AT WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO CALL AN ELECTION TO EXCEED.

>> THAT IS YOUR 3 AND A HALF PERCENT VOTE F YOU WANT TO GO OVER THAT YOU HAVE TO CALL AN ELECTION.

>> CORRECT. >> WE ARE NOT CLOSE TO THAT THIS

YEAR. >> WE'RE GOOD.

>> YOUR MUNICIPAL COST OF SERVICE.

THIS IS OUR BENCHMARK ON HOW WE SEE EVERYTHING.

THIS IS NOT EVERYBODY ELSE. SO THE BUDGET TEAM IS CONTINUALLY REVIEWING AND WE WILL HAVE AN UPDATED ONE THAT HAS THE MOST UP TO DATE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AND WILL WILL BRING ONE AFTER EVERYBODY ADOPTS IN THE FALL.

BUT WE ARE STILL NUMBER 3 ON THAT RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LINE WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE.

WE'RE NOT OVERRELIANT ON PROPERTY TACKS.

WE ARE FALLING IN THERE. WE'RE ALSO NOT ADDISON.

THE RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE. THIS IS OUR SALES TAX BUDGET WHERE WE HAVE THAT 75-25 SPLIT ON ITEMS JUST BASED ON THE POLICY THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED. THISES A REESTIMATE ON $11 MILLION BECAUSE THE LAWSUIT HASN'T BEEN SETTLED FOR THIS YEAR BUT WE BRING THAT BACK DOWN WITH THE YEAR BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE ANOTHER FULL YEAR AND IF THAT CASE WAS TO SETTLE WE WANT

TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. >> AND MELISSA AS YOU REFERENCE WHETHER IT IS THE STATE VERSUS DESTINATION, CAPS WITH OR WITHOUT PUBLIC SAFETY DEPENDING WHAT HAPPENS WITH EXEMPTION RATES AND SO FORTH. THESE FUNDS ALLOW US TO GET AHEAD OF IT. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NEXT 24 MONTHS THIS GROUP AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE ALL EXISTING POLICIES.

WHETHER HAS OUR RESERVE POLICY, OUR PENSION POLICIES.

ALL THOSE THINGS. AND SOME OF THOSE POLICIES WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO US. THE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT IN A KNEE JERK BECAUSE IT AFFECTS YOUR BOND RATING.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THE POLICIES ARE DRIVEN AND ATHE DOD THROUGH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL IN REACTION TO WHATEVER THE LEGISLATURE DOES. YEAH.

>> >> SO I'M LOOKING AT THE WAY THE RECURRING HAS DROPPED AND GONE UP.

I GUESS THAT WAS COVID, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE NON-RECURLING GOT A LOT LARGER. THIS IS BASED ON ACTUALS NOT BUDGET. SO WHAT YOU SEE FROM HERE OVER IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED THAT YEAR AND WE ARE BUDGETING FOR

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SO WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE BUDGET CUTS OR BE THOSE CITIES YOU'RE SEEING ALL THE NEW STORIES WE ARE HAVING TO CUT AND FURLOUGH ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. WE ARE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE IN OUR PLAN SOMETHING WE DON'T GO THAT WAY.

THAT'S WHY YOU SEE 75-25 HERE. BUT WHENEVER WE FINISH, THERE IS GENERALLY EXTRA THAT'S COME IN BECAUSE WE HAVE BUDGETED CONSERVATIVELY AND ARE USING THAT MONEY TO FUND ONE-TIME

EXEMPTIONS OR THE STREETS -- >> SO THIS IS WHERE IT WENT.

>> SAY AGAIN. >> THIS IS WHERE THE MONEY WENT.

>> CORRECT. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE PLANNED.

I THINK THAT'S A KEY POINT. LOOK AT 22, 23.

HAD WE NOT HAD OUR BUDGETARY POLICIES.

AND NOT ALL CITIES FOLLOW THIS EXACT THING.

BUT IN 21, 22, 23 HAD WE BUDGETED AND EVERYTHING ON THAT GROWTH OF SALES TAX IN A BOOMING ECONOMIC YEAR.

LOOK AT THE PROBLEM WIVE WOULD HAVE IN 26, 27 AS THE ECONOMY WHETHER THAT BE INFLATION, WHETHER IT BE INFLATION IT SHRUNK THAT SALES TAX. THAT IS A TESTAMENT TO SECONDARY

POLICY. >> WE HAVE A SECONDARY POLICY AND SALES TAX POLICY THAT WE DON'T GROW BY MORE THAN 8% ON A RECURRING BASIS EACH YEAR JUST SO MAKE SURE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

DOESN'T HAPPEN TO US. >> SO ONE COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE ON THAT. 24 WE ACTUALLY LOST SALES TAX VALUE. AND THIS SALES TAX VALUE IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN WHAT IT WAS A DECADE AGO.

THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH GETTING ADDITIONAL THINGS IN THAT PROVIDED SALES TAX, BUT SALES TAX IS A VOLATILE SOURCE.

SO YOU CAN SEE 24 WE WERE ACTUALLY BELOW.

THAT'S WHY CARROLLTON HAS ALWAYS HAD CONSERVATIVE FISCAL POLICIES BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE CITY THAT HAS TO SUDDENLY LAY PEOPLE OFF OR CLOSE A BUNCH OF FACILITIES.

>> AND 26 ALSO LOOKS LIKE IT IS SHRINKING.

TIME WILL TELL. IT'S NOT DONE.

>> SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> OUR SALES TAX PER CAN A AT THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SO WE'RE NOT OVERRELIANT ON SALES TAX VERSUS NOT GETTING ANY AT ALL.

THAT IS THE GREAT WORK JENNY AND HER TEAM ARE DOING.

>> IF I CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT CHART OR THIS ONE, SALES TAX THERE ARE SOME COMPANIES LIKELY BEING A PERSON THAT FILES FOR A CORPORATION SALES TAX.

THE IT'S NOT INCONCEIVABLE THAT THERE ARE SOME PAYORS OF SALES TAX THAT HAVE ALREADY SHIFTED TO A DESTINATION VERSUS SOURCE FILING. WE ALREADY LOST SALES TAX IN THE SOURCING VERSUS DESTINATION LAWSUIT.

>> SO I'LL SWITCH OVER TO AUTOS. THAT WAS NOT ON REVENUE.

>> AND THIS IS ALL PROFORMA, RIGHT? SO THIS IS ON A LIKE FOR LIKE BAYIS.

THIS IS ON A PROFORMA BASIS. >> YES.

MENT SO RECURRING OPERATING USES.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SPENDING THE GENERAL FUND ON.

TWO DIFFERENT VIEWS HERE. OVER ON YOUR LEFT SIDE YOU CAN SEE WE SPEND 65% ON THIS TOTAL BUDGET ON PUBLIC SAFETY.

THAT'S ABOUT $98 MILLION A YEAR. RELATED TO POLICE, FIRE, 911

SERVICES, DISPATCH -- >> 87.

AND THAT NUMBER I ASKED TO PUT IN THEIR HEAD WAS 91.

SO WE HAVE SPENT $7 MILLION MORE THAN WE COLLECT IN PROPERTY TAX ON PUBLIC SAFETY. SO AGAIN OUTSIDE OF DEBT SERVICE WE CAN SAY 100% OF OUR PROPERTY TAX ON PUBLIC SAFETY.

>> YOU ALSO HAVE CULTURE AND LEISURE WHICH IS YOUR PARK AND REC AND YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

WHICH IS ENGINEERING ROBBIE'S GROUP.

THIS OTHER SIDE OVER HERE IS SEEING WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING IT

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IT IS RELATED TO SALARY BENEFITS.

OUR TWO BIGGEST DEPARTMENTS ARE POLICE AND FIRE WHICH IS A LARGE PORTION OF THAT PIECE OF THE PIE ON STUFF.

SO YOU HAVE ALLOCATIONS WHICH IS PART OF PAYING FOR THE FLEET REPLACEMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT'S GETTING TRANSFERRED TO THOSE OTHER OPERATIONAL FUNDS AS WELL.

SO FOR STAFFING AND COMPENSATION I JUST WANT TO KIND OF WHAT'S BUILT INTO THIS BUDGET. YOU DO HAVE A 2% INCREASE TO BASE SALARY FOR EMPLOYEES. THE ADDITIONAL CIVIL SERVICE STEPS THAT THEY GET BASED ON THEIR STEP PLANS ARE ALREADY INCLUDED. WE ALSO HAD SIGNIFICANT HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASES THIS YEAR. IT IS A SHARED FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. THE CITY COVERS 96%.

THAT'S THE TOTAL HEALTH INSURANCE ON THE BASE PLAN.

SO WE DID EXPERIENCE AN INCREASE ON THE HEALTH INSURANCE SIDE OF THE CITY. WE ARE ABSORBING $4,600 PER YEAR PER EMPLOYEE. THE THE EMPLOYEES ONLY GETTING $26 ANNUALLY ON STUFF SO THE CITY IS ABSORBING A LOT OF THAT.

>> WHAT IS THAT PERCENTAGE INCREASE?

>> IT WAS 27%. >> ALMOST 30% INCREASE IN HEALTHCARE COSTS WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY TIED TO OUR LARGEST

EXPENSE ITEM WHICH IS PAYROLL. >> YES.

WE ALSO HAD A NEW LAW GO INTO PLACE THAT REQUIRES THE CITY TO PROVIDE CRITICAL CARE FULFILLMENT OF HEALTH INSURANCE TO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. SO WE DID BUILD THAT IN AND THAT IS ABSORBED BY THE CITY AND THAT WAS ANOTHER $75,000 ANNUALLY THAT'S BUILT IN AS WELL. YOU DO HAVE DECISION POINTS THERE FOR NEXT YEAR THIS WEEK AND THAT'S A ONE-TIME COMPENSATION ADJUSTMENT TARGETED MARKET AJUSTMENTS FOR THE FIELD TECHNICIANS AND THEN IF THERE ARE SOME PENSION CUTS.

WE ALREADY DID BRING DOWN PENSIONS WITH A 1% OVERAGE BASED ON WHAT'S REQUIRED, SO THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THAT.

WE HAVE ALREADY REDUCED IT. >> SOS WHAT BEING CUT?

>> YOU REFER TO IT AS A PINCH AND CUT.

IS IT A? >> SO WE HAVE A REQUIRED AMOUNT THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO PAY PER YEAR FOR -- (INAUDIBLE).

>> WHEN WE GOT OUR RATE IN THIS YEAR, COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE TO US IS THE 1% OVERAGE. WE WERE OVER THAT SO WE CUT THE 1% BUT YOU ALWAYS GET THE DECISION POINT.

IF YOU WANT TO CUT IT MORE, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

>> WE ARE FINDING IN EXCESS OF STATE LAW.

>> CORRECT. >> THERE IS A LOT OF OTHER

CITIES. >> AND WE'RE FAR BETTER BECAUSE OF THAT, RIGHT. BUT IT IS.

>> THEY ARE IN ARREARS. SO WHENEVER THEY DO THE CALLS, THE NUMBER WE GET IS BASED ON DECEMBER 31ST OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO IT'S ALWAYS IN ARREARS.

SO US DOING AN EXTRA 1% IS HELPING US REALLY FUND WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING TODAY. SO THAT'S A DECISION POINT.

WHETHER YOU WANT TO COME DOWN OR SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN OR LEAVE IT

WHAT'S BUDGETED. >> IT'S JUST A DECISION POINT.

>> YEAH. >> SO TRANSFERRED OUT, THIS IS THAT CHANGE THAT WE'RE TIEING BACK TO AND THE STUFF COMING OUT. WE SEPARATED IT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S CHANGING BETWEEN WHAT IS THE OPERATING AND WHAT'S THE TRANSFERS OUT. SO BEFORE WHERE WE WERE TAKING THE CASH, THE TAX REVENUE THAT WE WERE GETTING, PUTTING IT DIRECTLY IN THE FUND, IT'S NOW GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND WE ARE TAKING THAT AND TRANSFERRING IT OUT.

SO THAT IS WHAT THIS CHART IS REPRESENTING.

YOU USED TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LINES SHOWING MONEY GOING INTO STREETS AND NEIGHBOURHOOD IMPROVEMENT.

AND NOW YOU SEE THEM IN THE GENERAL FUND AND IT'S A TRANSFER OUT ON AN ANNUAL BAYIS. SO THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE SEEING THERE'S $10 MILLION TO STREETS AND ROADS FROM STUFF.

I AM SEEING WHAT ARE YOU SPENDING MONEY ON YOUR GENERAL FUND ON. I THINK WE WERE KIND OF HAMSTRINGING OURSELVES BECAUSE HOW MUCH ARE YOU SPENDING ON STREETS AND ROADS? I THINK THEY ARE STARTING TO REALIZE TAX DOLLARS PAY FOR STREETS AND ROADS.

WHEN I SAY THAT OF THE GENERAL FUND, I COULDN'T REALLY GIVE A NUMBER OVERNIGHT SOME PERSONNEL COSTS FOR ENGINEERING BECAUSE OUR MONEY WAS GOING STRAIGHT TO THE CAPITAL FUND.

BUT THAT WASN'T WHAT THEY WERE ASKING OF US.

THEY WERE ASKING WHAT ARE YOU SPENDING IN THE GENERAL FUND AND NOW I CAN TELL THEM SPENDING $10 MILLION ON STREET AND ROADS.

I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER TOOL THAT WE HAVE IN OUR POCKET TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE THREATS THAT WE'RE FACING.

SO OUR TOTAL RECURRING TRANSFERS OUT IS $11.6 MILLION.

THAT ALSO INCLUDES A TECHNOLOGY REFRESH AND PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO.

WE PUT MONEY ASIDE EVERY SINGLE YEAR TO REFRESH PUBLIC SAFETY ROOST ON A RECURRING BASIS. AND THEN TECHNOLOGY GET FUNDING TO REPLACE COMPUTERS, NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE AND STUFF LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS INCLUDED

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SOME SOFTWARE INCREASES AND INFLATIONAL ON THE GENERAL FUND.

>> THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE POSTED TO OUR SHARED DRIVE, SOS

YOU ARE ALL DOING YOUR HOMEWORK. >> ALL OF THAT DETAIL IS IN THE NARRATIVE SECTION. THE EXPENDITURE BUDGET DOES GET BACK TO YOU AROUND UTILITY RATE DECREES.

A LARGE MORGUE OF OUR REYN IS IN THE LAST QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR. WE DON'T WANT TO ARTIFICIALLY INFLATE THE RATES TRYING TO MEET A FINANCIAL STANDARD WHEN WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET A LARGER PORTION OF OUR REVENUE.

WE WILL BE COMING TO YOU IN NOVEMBER WITH THEE RATES.

BUT WE EXPECT TO SEE SOME INCREASES DWU AND TRA BOTH ARE REGULAR THEIR RATES. THE STORM WATER FUND IS ADDED INTO YOUR BUDGET SO YOU HAVE AN OPERATING FUND.

IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2025. PARKS, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES.

WE HAVE ALL BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S MOVING, GETTING READY. IT IS DRIVEN AND PAID FOR BY THE FEE WHICH WILL GO AND BE IMPLEMENTED ON OCTOBER 1ST.

AND THIS IS HOW IT IN THE BUDGET.

>> I GOT A QUESTION. SO THIS STORM WATER FUND WAS THE

13 NEW POSITION? >> THERE WERE 13 NEW POSITIONS.

>> WHAT TYPE OF POSITIONS 12 IN PUBLIC WORKS SPECIFICALLY.

THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WAS SELECTED HAD A HIGHER LEVEL OF NEED THAN THE DRAINAGE CHANNELS. SAY IT AGAIN? STREET SWEEPING. THE DRAINAGE GUNNED AROUND HERE.

>> SO 13 NEW EMPLOYEES BUT A TOTAL OF 23.

>> WE DID TAKE SOME THAT WERE FROM BOTH PARKS AND MOVED THEM

TO THE SIMILAR FUND. >> WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON THAT. THERE IS A $1.28 MILLION ALLOCATION. CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT THAT COMPRISES OF? IT'S LIKE 1.2 AND.

>> OH, YOUR ALLOCATIONS. OKAY.

SO ALL OF YOUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, YOUR EMPLOYEE HEALTH, YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE FUND WHICH IS YOUR SHARED SERVICES IN THE CITY AND FLEET REPLACEMENT IN ALLOCATION FUNDS.

SO WE MOVE MONEY INTO THEM IN AN ALLOCATION-BASED NEED.

IT JUST A TRANSFER WE'RE DOING BETWEEN THE FUNDS.

>> HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT 1.28 MILLION?

>> SO OUR ADMINISTRATIVE FUND. SOP THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM FINANCE BUDGET TO SERVICES, CITY MANAGERS OFFICE, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. WE LOOK AT THOSE ONE BY ONE AND SAY WHAT DO YOU GET FROM EACH OF THOSE.

WORK FORSERVICES BASED ON A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.

THE SO IF YOUR DEPARTMENT AT ONE OF THESE KIND OF OUTSIDE FIELD SERVICES HAVE A LARGER NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LARGER PORTION OF WORK FORCE SERVICES.

BUDGET LIKE THAT ACCOUNTING UNIT IS BASED ON SIZE OF YOUR BUDGET SO YOU GET A LITTLE BIT MORE IF YOU HAVE A BIGGER BUDGET OR SMALLER BUDGET. SO IT JUST SPREADS OUT ON STUFF.

>> COULD YOU ANTICIPATE IN THE FUTURE ADJUSTING THAT?

>> WE EVALUATE IT ANNUALLY BASED ON THE DIFFERENT ALLOCATION METHODS. RISK IS ANOTHER WAY.

WE DO HAVE A PLANNED RISK STUDY BASED ON HOW MANY RISK CLAIMS

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>> BUT THE ACTUAL COST OF IT IS THROUGH COMPETITION.

SO IF YOU TAKE WORKFORCE SERVICES TO REDUCE THE COST OF PAYROLL, COULD WE DO THAT IN HOUSE AND LOWER COS AND GET THE RIGHT SIZE. AND THEN THE PART WE LOOK AT ANNUALLY IS HOW THEN DO WE ALLOCATE THAT COST VERSUS INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS. THE COST IS EVALUATED BY MANAGE

COMPETITION. >> ONE OF THE LARGER PIECES OF THE COST IS FLEET REPLACEMENT. SO YOU ARE ALWAYS PLANNING TO REPLACE THE FLEET THAT YOU HAVE, SO YOU NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT GOING FORWARD OR ELSE TOUGH COME UP WITH A BUNCH OF MONEY ALL AT

ONCE. >> THE STORM WATER?

I KNEW THAT. >> BUT THE ALLOCATION IS APPLIED CONSISTENTLILY METHODOLOGY WISE. AL BUT IT'S APPLIED CONSISTENTLY WHETHER IT'S HIGHER OR LOWER IS A FUNCTION OF THOSE ELEMENTS.

>> I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT MAJORITYIC DOLLAR WAS.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> THE INFORMATION IN THIS BUDGET EVALUATED IN NOVEMBER.

IT WILL CHANGE ON THE FIRST OF OCTOBER.

THERE ARE BUILT IN ESCALATORS OF THAT CONTRACT, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADJUST FOR HERE. IT'S 1.06 PER MONTH THAT WILL GO UP AND ADDITIONAL CARDS. IF YOU HAVE ONE ONLY IF YOU HAVE EXTRA CARTS THAT INCREASE IS GOING TO 38.

THAT IS STRICTLY A PASS THROUGH AND THAT THE CITY DOES NOT FUND ANY OTHER TYPE OF SERVICE OUT OF THE EXTRA CARDS.

JUST THE COST TO OPERATE THEM. AND THE STORMWATER COLLECTION RATES IS WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

YOU HAVE $116.4 MILLION IN CAPITAL FUNDING ON HERE.

THIS IS EVERYTHING FROM PEGO TO BOND ELECTION.

DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE ALL INSIDE OF YOUR CAPITAL FUND.

AND THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU HOW THAT MONEY IS SPLIT ACROSS THE CAPITAL PROJECTS HERE. THE DECISION POINTS TALK ABOUT IT NEXT WEEK. THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT'S IN

THAT LIST. >> NEXT MEETING WE WILL HAVE THE SPREAD SHEET UP AND GO THROUGH IT.

>> THAT'S THE NUMBERS THAT ARE ON HERE.

YOUR NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE TO SPEND ARE THE 432,000 AND YOUR 5.2 ON A NONRECURRING BASIS. YOUR NEXT PAGE WE WILL SEND IT OUT SO YOU HAVE IT AND THIS IS YOUR NEXT MEETINGS THAT ARE UPCOMING. DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE ONE ON THE 25TH BUT WE HAVE IT IN THERE JUST IN CASE WE DO NEED IT WITH ADOPTION ON THE FIRST. DISCUSSIONS ON IT AS WE GO THROUGH. BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE DECISION

POINT OF THE PROPOSED RATE. >> I THINK NANCY HAD A QUESTION.

>> ON PAGE 9 IT TALKS ABOUT ADDITIONAL FTE POSITIONS AND COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING HAD BROUGHT UP THE 13 FROM THE OPERATING FUND. CAN SOMEONE BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE OTHER THREE? ARE THEY ADDITIONAL OR.

>> THE OTHER ONE THAT'S GOING IN THE FUND IS AN ENGINEER FOR THE FUND SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT -- SORRY, I'M GOING TO.

>> IT THE CAPITAL PROJECTS MANAGER IS SOMEONE FROM.

>> THAT IS ON FACILITY PROJECTS THROUGH PARKS AND LIBRARY AND WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH THE CAPITAL FUND AS WELL.

>> SO ANDY USED TO DO THAT AND NOW WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER

SOMEBODY DOING IT? >> WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THE CIP SIDE OF THINGS ON STREETS AND ROADS BUT WE IDENTIFIED WHERE WE NEEDED SOME EXTRA MID RANGE PROJECTS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY BOND FUNDED PROJECTS BUT KIND OF IN BETWEEN THERE AND ASSIGNMENTS THAT ARE GETTING APPROVED THINGS

WE ARE -- >> WILL IT REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF OUTSOURCING BEING DONE? JUST CURIOUS.

>> JONATHAN, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.

WE WERE APPROACHED BY VARIOUS MID LEVEL FUNDS.

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MORE OF OUR SMALLER ONES. SO THEY ASKED US WHAT WOULD IT COST TO HAVE THESE MANAGED THIRD PARTIES AND IT'S A LOT MORE THAN THE PROJECTS COST. SO THIS HELPS US NOT HAVE TO

OUTSOURCE IT. >> ALL THOSE THINGS.

THIS IS KIND OF LIKE RECREATING THAT POSITION.

WE HISTORICALLY HAVEN'T MANAGED THAT WE'RE GOING TO STEP IN AND TRY TO HELP OUT OUR PARKS AND LEISURE STAFF TO MANAGE THOSE.

>> THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WERE TYPICALLY MANAGED IN HOUSE BY THE, PA AND LEISURE STAFF. SO THEY WILL BE MANAGED BY A

PROJECT MANAGER NOW. >> AND SENIOR DEVELOPER I THINK THAT'S MORE BUILDING EXPECTATION.

>> IT'S ACTUALLY TECHNOLOGY. THE IT IS INSIDE OF THE IT.

IT IS PRIMARILY BEING DRIVEN BY ADA COMPLIANCE.

>> AND JUST QUICK MANAGER. IS THAT AN ADDITIONAL FLEET

MANAGER. >> NO.

THAT'S THE ONE WE ALREADY HAD. TESTIFY ADDED IN THE MID YEAR SO WE ARE JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE DISCLOSE THAT IT WAS A CHANGE FROM LAST YEAR'S ADOPTED TO THIS YEAR'S ADOPTED.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

WE'LL DIVE MORE INTO THAT HE IS DETAILS NEXT NEXT WEEK.

BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MELISSA RIGHT NOW? COUNCIL, WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WE HAVE TO COVER. PRIOR TO GOING INTO MEETINGS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL OURSELVES INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE WILL PICK UP OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS AFTER. THE BALANCE OF THE WORK SESSIONS AND WILL HAVE A FOLLOW ON EXECUTIVE SESSION THERE.

SO WE WILL AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE WITH EXECUTIVE SESSION WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BETWEEN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND OUT AT THE DAIS. BUT WITH THAT I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL US IN. COUNCIL WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE FOR PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO PENDING ON CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION AND INCLUDING ALL MATTERS ON THIS AGENDA TO WHICH THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS A DUTY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT REGARDING CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION WITH CITY COUNCIL

SECTION 551.587 TO DISCUSS >> WELCOME, WELCOME TO THE

[INVOCATION - Mayor Pro Tem Daisy Palomo]

APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE FOR OUR AUGUST 11TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AS WE ALWAYS DO, WE WILL START WITH OUR INVOCATION BY -- LED BY MAYOR PRO TEM DAISY PALOMO AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

PLEASE RISE. >> LET US BOW OUR HEADS.

HEAVENLY FATHER WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH GRATEFUL HEARTS, THANKFUL FOR THE BLESSINGS YOU HAVE BESTOWED UPON OUR CITY, OUR NATION, AND OUR COMMUNITY. WE ASK FOR YOUR PRESENCE AND GUIDANCE AS WE GATHER TO CONDUCT THE IMPORTANT -- IMPORTANT BUSINESS OF SERVING OUR RESIDENTS LORD GRANT WISDOM, DISCERNMENT, AND HUMILITY TO OUR CITY COUNCIL, OUR CITY STAFF AND ALL WHO HAVE BEEN ENTRUSTED WITH LEADERSHIP.

HELP EVERY DECISION BE MADE TONIGHT WITH INTEGRITY, COMPASSION, AND A SINCERE DESIRE TO SERVE THE COMMON GOOD.

WE LIFT UP OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN, ESPECIALLY THOSE SERVING FAR FROM HOME, SURROUND THEM WITH YOUR PROTECTION, STRENGTH, AND COURAGE. COMFORT THEIR FAMILIES AND LOVED ONES WHO SEPARATE -- WHO SUPPORT THEM THROUGH SACRIFICE AND SEPARATION. WE PRAY FOR THEIR SAFE RETURN AND FOR PEACE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

WE ALSO PRAY FOR PRIVATE FIRST CLASS ISABELLA GONZALEZ AND HER FAMILY THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE COMFORT AT THIS TIME.

WE ALSO PRAY FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS INCLUDING OUR POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS, PARAMEDICS AND EMERGENCY PERSONNEL AND ALL WHO RUSH TOWARDS DANGER WHEN OTHERS SEEK SAFETY PROTECT THEM AS THEY PROTECT US GIVE THEM WISDOM IN DIFFICULT SITUATIONS, STRENGTH IN MOMENTS OF FATIGUE AND COMFORT AS THEY KEEP OUR CARROLLTON COMMUNITY SAFE.

ALSO AS A NEW SCHOOL YEAR BEGINS, WE ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON OUR STUDENTS, TEACHERS, ADMINISTRATORS, SCHOOL STAFF AND FAMILIES. FILL OUR CLASSROOMS WITH CURIOSITY, KINDNESS, PATIENCE AND OPPORTUNITY.

KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE AS THEY LEARN AND GROW.

INSPIRE OUR EDUCATORS AS THEY SHAPE THE MINDS AND FUTURES OF THE NEXT GENERATION. LORD, UNITE US AS NEIGHBORS AND CITIZENS. HELP US SHOW RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER, EVEN WHEN OPINIONS DIFFER.

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>> AMEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. TO HONOR OUR TEXAS FLAG, WE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE

INDIVISIBLE. >> ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL.

[CONSENT AGENDA ]

THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 9 THROUGH 17 TO DO SO BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION. I WILL NOTE THAT WE ARE TAKING ITEM NUMBER 17 FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION OUTSIDE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THAT SAID, WE STILL INVITE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM -- AGENDA ITEMS NINE THROUGH 17 TO DO SO. I HAVE GOT THREE CARDS FOR THESE ITEMS. MY FIRST SPEAKER IS SUSANNA.

IF YOU WILL PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, MR. MAYOR.

MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. REGARDING ITEM 17, THANK YOU FOR MOVING TO AN MOU PLAN TO PROPERLY AND WISELY ADDRESS CONCERNS AND BENEFITS ABOUT BUILDING IN A FLOODPLAIN WITH ALPINE X WITH OTHER BUSINESSES. MY CONCERNS ALL RELATE TO THE BUILDING IN A FLOODPLAIN. THROUGHOUT 2024, ANNETTE REESE AND I SPOKE WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU EXCEPT FOR COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTER WHO WAS NOT COUNCIL AT THE TIME ABOUT BEGINNING A SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF CARROLLTON AND ALSO INITIATING AN ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES BOARDS AND COMMISSION. ALL OF YOU WERE VERY FAVORABLE OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY PLAN TO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT.

YOU DID APPROVE HAVING A SUSTAINABILITY PLAN FOR OUR CITY, BUT YOU DECLINED TO HAVE A BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: MA'AM, THIS IS ITEM 17.

IF YOU COULD STICK TO THAT ITEM, THANK YOU.

OTHERWISE, I COULD HAVE YOU RETURN DURING THE PUBLIC FORUM PART, BUT YOU WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES.

>> YES, SIR. AS A TEXAS A AND M. AGRILIFE WATER SPECIALIST, I AM COMMITTED TO PROTECTING TEXAS WATER.

ITS EFFECTS ON PEOPLE AND WILDLIFE.

CHANGING HOW WATER FLOWS AND HOW IT SOAKS IS PARAMOUNT.

RAISING LAND IN A FLOODPLAIN CARRIES RISK AND BENEFITS.

MY OVERALL CONCERN IS HOW OUR CITY KEEPS POACHING OUR 244-ACRE NATURE PRESERVE NTC RISE AS A JUNK BANK TO CHOP TREES AND DIG OUT IMPORTANT SOIL. THIS IMPORTANT ECOSYSTEM HELPS KEEP CARROLLTON FROM EXTREME FLOODING.

THEREFORE, AS AN MOU, I ASK THAT YOU ONE, CONSULT THE COURT ENGINEERS FOR RISKS TO CARROLLTON FOR TAKING OUT SOIL IN TSE RISE AND DIGGING A GIANT HOLE FOR A WATER CATCHMENT.

AND NUMBER 2, WHAT WILL MAKING THAT GIANT HOLE INTO VALLEY STORAGE COST THE CITY? IT SEEMS RIDICULOUS TO DIG THE HOLE THEN PAY MILLIONS TO FIX THE HOLE.

AND THREE, AS YOU ERADICATE 70 ACRES PLUS OF TREES, WHY DOES THE CITY NOT HAVE TO HOLD ITSELF TO THE SAME STANDARDS AS CARROLLTON RESIDENTS DO WHEN IT COMES TO CHOPPING DOWN A TREE?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS SPEAKING ON

ITEM NUMBER 17 AS WELL. >> HELLO.

MY NAME IS KHAN LEE. I LIVE ON 1300 WEST BRANCH OLIVE. I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER THIS AGREEMENT. MY CONCERN IS THERE IS NO RECORD OF SUCCESS FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS IN THE UNITED STATES.

YES, THERE IS ONE IN DUBAI, BUT THEY HAVE INFINITE MONEY THAT THEY CAN KEEP POURING INTO IT. THERE IS SOME IN THE U.K., BUT SOME OF THEM ARE FACING FINANCIAL DIFFICULTY.

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AND THEN WE ALSO LOST THAT NATURE, FOR WHAT? FOR A FAILED BUSINESS. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY NEXT SPEAKER IS FOURMAC -- FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER ADAM

POULTER. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ADAM POULTER. 4180 CREEK HOLLOW DRIVE.

I WOULD LIKE TO READ FOR YOU THE EMAIL I SENT TO COUNCIL.

ESTEEMED COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR BABICK ON THE AGENDA WHICH -- ON THE MOU WHICH MOVES ALPINE X CLOSER TO BECOMING THE MASTER DEVELOPER FOR THE 35 ENTA SITE. THIS IS VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR COUNCIL AND AS TAXPAYERS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD RIGOROUSLY AVOID. LET'S BREAK IT DOWN.

ALPINE X. HAS ZERO PROVEN EXPERIENCE AS A MASTER DEVELOPER. ALPINE X. CEO JOHN EMERY SAID, AND I QUOTE, OUR CORE BUSINESS IS NOT DEVELOPMENT.

WHY WOULD YOU ASSIGN A COMPANY WHOSE CORE BUSINESS IS NOT DEVELOPMENT AS THE MASTER DEVELOPER.

ALPINE X. HAS BROKEN GROUND ON ZERO LARGE SCALE PROJECTS MUCH LESS COMPLETED OR SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED ANY FOR COUNCIL TO REFERENCE AND THUS MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION REGARDING ALPINE X. I'VE SEEN BABYSITTERS WITH BETTER REFERENCES. THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF MAKING GRANDIOSE PROMISES AND FAILING TO FOLLOW THROUGH SUCH AS THE SKI RESORT PROJECT IN FAIRFAX COUNTY, VIRGINIA, CITING ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL HURDLES SUCH AS HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND HIGHER ENTRY RATES. HOW POPULAR DO YOU THINK A SKI AREA WOULD BE TO THE RESIDENTS OF CARROLLTON.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A LOSER COMPARED TO MORE MAINSTREAM OPTIONS ESPECIALLY FOR THIS PARCEL.

FINANCIALLY, CARROLLTON'S RESIDENTS ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR A TRAIN STATION TO THE TUNE OF OVER $48 MILLION.

THAT IS MONEY THAT IS NOT GOING TO FUND NEW FIRE STATIONS, TO HIRE MORE FIREFIGHTERS TO ALLEVIATE THE UNSUSTAINABLE AMOUNT OF FORCED OVERTIME THEY ARE SUBJECTED TO AND THAT IS MONEY THAT THAT IS NOT GOING TO REPAIR OUR ROADS, ALLEYS AND SIDEWALKS. THE CITY CANNOT AFFORD TO INVEST MORE TAXPAYER DOLLARS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE NEGATIVE GROWTH PROJECTED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 AT ALARM REVENUES AND FISCAL RATES SHARED AT THE LAST STRATEGIC RETREAT AND ALSO AGAIN TONIGHT IN THE WORK SESSION.

FURTHER, THE CITY HAS NO BUSINESS INVESTING IN A PROJECT AT THE DISTRICT 35E AND TO SITE ESPECIALLY UNTIL ALL PHASES OF THE TRAIN STATION DEVELOPMENT ARE COMPLETED OF WHICH ONLY 10% IS COMPLETE. FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED.

CARROLLTON HAS A HISTORY OF LOOKING ENVIOUSLY AT AMENITIES AND DEVELOPMENTS IN NEIGHBORING CITIES AND ALIGN THAT ENVY TO FORM THE BASIS OF BAD DECISIONS WHEN IT COMES TO PROPOSED CITY OF CARROLLTON PROJECTS. EXAMPLES INCLUDE PIANOS ARBOR HILLS AND THE YEARS LONG PUSH TO TRY AND RECREATE THAT AMENITY ON THE T.C. RICE PARCEL, SOMETHING CPAC AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE REPEATEDLY SAID THEY DO NOT WANT.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT WAS CITED DURING THE LAST COUNCIL WORK SESSION RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DISTRICT 35ENTA SITE AND AGAIN TONIGHT IS THE 433-ACRE GRAND SCAPE DEVELOPMENT IN THE COLONY. WITH ONLY 70 ACRES OF THE 120 ACRES DISTRICT 35E PROJECT ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED, THERE IS FRANKLY NO BASIS FOR DEVELOPMENT.

LANDSCAPE AS SEVERAL LARGE ANCHORS IN NEBRASKA FURNITURE MART AND SHIELDS PLUS THEY ENJOY VERY GOOD ACCESS FROM STATE HIGHWAY 121. THE DISTRICT -- DISTICT 35 E, ESPECIALLY THE PROPOSAL OF ALPINE-X INCLUDES NO SUCH ANCHORS AND TERRIBLE ACCESS. EXCEPT FOR COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTER, YOU ALL SHOULD RECALL THE DISCUSSION LAST YEAR REGARDING COUNCIL'S DECISION TO NOT EXTEND CAPITAL PARKWAY TO DICKERSON THROUGH THE SOUTHWEST NURSERY PROPERTY YOU MAY ALSO RECALL THE DECISION TO NOT ENTERTAIN BUILDING A JACKSON ROAD BRIDGE OVER DISTICT 35 E TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO THIS PARCEL, GIVEN THE EXORBITANT COST AND IMPRACTICALITY OF SUCH AN UNDERTAKING. IN SUMMATION, THERE MAY BE A TIME FOR THE CITY TO INVEST IN OR SELL THE DISTRICT -- DISTICT 35 E NTTA PROPERTY HOWEVER WHEN THE STATION IS COMPLETE AND WHEN THE CITY REVENUE IS FLOODED WITH SEVERE SEVERAL MORE PRESSING NEEDS, NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO INVEST IN THIS PROPERTY.

REGARDLESS, ALPINE-X WITH THEIR LACK OF EXPERIENCE, EXPERTISE IN HISTORY WOULD MAKE A TERRIBLE PARTNER FOR THE CITY OF CARROLLTON. THINK ABOUT YOUR OWN BUSINESSES.

WOULD YOU ACTUALLY HIRE A COMPANY LIKE ALPINE-X WITH NO PROVEN RECORD TO MANAGE A PROJECT OF THIS SCOPE AND IMPORTANCE? THE ANSWER SHOULD BE A RESOUNDING NO, AND THAT'S HOW I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU VOTE ON THIS ITEM, JUST SAY NO TO SNOW.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, COUNCIL.

WITH THAT, I WILL MOVE TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS.

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MAYOR PRO TEM PALOMO. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NINE THROUGH 16.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: I'M SORRY, I SAID SEVEN.

NINE THROUGH 16. >> NINE THROUGH 16, THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: AND, BEAR WITH ME.

OH. SORRY, YOU WERE TAGGED UNDER THE OTHER. HOLD THAT THOUGHT, PLEASE.

LORI FOSTER SPEAKING ON ITEM NUMBER 10.

17 TO 22. YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR HEARING ME TONIGHT.

I WILL KEEP THIS SHORT. REGARDING CONSENT ITEM TEN, I'VE BEEN A HOME OWNER. MY NAME IS LORI FOSTER MY ADDRESS IS ON FIRE -- ON FILE. [INDISTINCT].

AS A HOMEOWNER IN CARROLLTON I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS. I FEEL LIKE THE CITY HAS NOT PRIORITIZED ITS SPENDING. I REALIZE AMENITIES ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THEY ARE NOT AS IMPORTANT AS INFRASTRUCTURE.

ROADS, DRAINAGE, THERE IS MANY INFRASTRUCTURE POINTS.

IN THAT, I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF SPENDING ANY MORE MONEY ON THE WOULD LIKE IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY IN FOR 3.5 MILLION I THINK. IT LOOKS VERY NICE, BUT WE HAVE SPENT ENOUGH MONEY ON THAT. WE HAVE OTHER PRIORITY ITEMS. SO MY REQUEST IS NOT TO APPROVE THEM.

REGARDING CONSENT ITEM 17, FOR THE MANY ITEMS THAT ADAM POULTER HAS JUST READ BACK TO YOU, I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THE CITY IS PURSUING ANYTHING REGARDING AN INDOOR SNOW SKIING OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE AS FAR AS I KNOW OF ALL THE CITY SURVEYS THAT YOU HAVE DONE ON ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, NO ONE HAS SAID THAT THEY WANTED AN INDOOR SNOW SKIING AMENITY AT ALL.

SO THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT WHY ALPINE-X IS NOT A VERY GOOD CHOICE, BUT I'M NOT EVEN SURE AS FAR AS AMENITIES WHY WE ARE CONSIDERING THAT ONE.

WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING OTHER AMENITIES, NOT SNOW SKIING.

AND REGARDING ITEM 22, SHOULD I WAIT TO SPEAK TO THAT?

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: ITEM NUMBER 22.

>> IT'S A PROPERTY TAX. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THAT WILL HAVE A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WE WILL -- OH,, YOU MAY SPEAK ON 22, YES.

>> REGARDING WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO CONSIDER FOR PROPERTY TAX RIGHTS, I KNOW YOU ARE BIG ON NOT RAISING RATES.

BUT I JUST WANT TO GET IT ON THE RECORD THAT ALL OF OUR DALLAS COUNTY APPRAISALS HAVE CONTINUED TO GO UP.

SO ANYTHING. I MEAN, MOST OF US, I MEAN, I'M OVER 65. I HAVE A HOME STATE EXEMPTION, I HAVE AN OVER 65 EXEMPTION BUT STILL WITH THE APPRAISALS GOING UP, MY SPECIFIC REQUEST IS CONSIDER NOT RAISING THE PROPERTY TAX RATES FOR THE ONCOMING YEAR.

I REQUEST THAT THEY BE NO HIGHER THAN IN 2025.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU. AND MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT READING THE CARD CORRECTLY. THAT'S ALL ON ME.

ALL RIGHT, SO COUNCIL, WITH THAT, I WILL REVERT TO OUR MOTION AND I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PALOMO TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NINE THROUGH 16.

I WILL ASK FOR THE MOVE IN TO REAFFIRM THAT MOTION, GIVEN THE

FINAL TESTIMONY WE JUST HEARD. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I WILL REAFFIRM THAT MOTION. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: AND MY NEXT SPEAKER -- OR, I HAVE A LIGHT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER

AXBERG. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION. TO REAFFIRM THE MOTION.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: I HAVE A MOTION FROM MAYOR PRO TEM PALOMO AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER AXBERG TO APPROVE -- CONSENT ITEM -- CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NINE THROUGH 16.

ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE, I WILL CALL THE VOTE. AND THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT, THAT TAKES US TO OUR HOLD ITEM NUMBER 17. THIS IS CONSIDERING A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH ALPINE-X FOR THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY FOR THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE AND 35E DISTRICT 35 FORMER NTT A SITE.

REMIND COUNCIL WE HAD A WORK SESSION ON THIS LAST MEETING AND WE HAD A NICE PRESENTATION FROM AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS HEADED BY A GROUP THAT HAS DONE THE GREAT WOLF LODGE MOST RECENTLY IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA AS A DEVELOPER.

I WOULD ALSO REMIND US THAT AS WE DISCUSSED DURING THE WORK SESSION, AS PART OF OUR VISION 2040 PLAN, WE POLLED OUR

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THAT THE A IS ACTIVE OPPORTUNITIES.

R IS REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND T IS THRIVING OPPORTUNITIES TO ENJOY AND ENTERTAINMENT WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT WAS EXPLICITLY

[*17. 7715 Consider A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Execute A Memorandum Of Understanding (MOU) With Alpine X For The Master Development Of The City-Owned Property At The Southwest Corner of President George Bush Turnpike and IH-35E - District 35E (Former NTTA Site).]

COUNCIL MEMBER CARPENTER. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE ON THIS THAT THIS IS NOT AN AGREEMENT TO CONSTRUCT ANYTHING, IT'S NOT AN AGREEMENT TO BUILD ANYTHING, IT'S NOT AN AGREEMENT TO COMMIT ANY FUNDS TO THIS ORGANIZATION. I THINK IT'S CLEAR WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TAX ROLLS EVEN TONIGHT AND WE SEE THAT WE HAVE HAD A DECREASE, WHICH IS UNUSUAL, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE AS A COMPANY -- SORRY, AS A CITY CONSIDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT A PRIMARY DRIVER OF HELPING TO INCREASE THAT AND SO AGAIN, WE ARE NOT COMMITTING ANY FUNDS WITH THIS AGREEMENT.

I SUPPORT CONTINUING TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES WITH THIS ORGANIZATION. I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS, MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN ASKED THIS EVENING AND THEY WILL BE REPEATED AND ASKED, I CAN ASSURE THEM OF THAT AS I PARTICIPATE IN THIS. BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO EXPLORING THIS TO UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT OUR OPPORTUNITIES ARE AND I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ITEM NUMBER 17.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: OKAY, COUNCIL.

IVAN -- A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARPENTER.

I HAVE A SECOND. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CARPENTER.

>> FORMER MAYOR PRO TEM. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR -- MAYOR PRO TEM AND A SECOND BY CARPENTER TO APPROVE 17. I LIKE THE POINT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER AND DEPUTY MAYOR CARPENTER ADVISED THAT THIS IS A NON-BINDING MOU. THIS IS BASICALLY A DECISION, AN AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED AND SAY WE HAVE QUESTIONS.

OUR PUBLIC HAS QUESTIONS. WE WANT TO LEARN MORE BEFORE WE JUST SAY NOT INTERESTED AT ALL. SO THAT'S REALLY THE DECISION FOR THE TABLE. COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING.

>> YES MR. MAYOR. IT LOOKS LIKE I MISSED THE LAST MEETING WHERE THE PRESENTATION WAS CONDUCTED, BUT I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE VIDEO EARLIER TODAY AND LIKE MR. CARPENTER SAID, I JUST NEED A BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THE PURPOSE, THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I HAVE HEARD OF ALPINE X.

SO I'M VERY INTERESTED IN KNOWING MORE BEFORE WE MOVE THEM FORWARD SO AS IT STANDS TONIGHT, WE ARE NOT MAKING ANY TYPE OF DETERMINATIONS ON YEA OR NAY, SO I AM OPEN TO RECEIVING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BUT I ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERNS.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU MAKE AN INFORMAL VOTE THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE EXECUTING AN MOU. NEGOTIATING AND EXECUTING.

AND SO A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WOULD BE A BYPRODUCT OF A NON-BINDING MOU THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT, RIGHT? BUT THERE IS AN ACTION ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE THE CITY NEGOTIATING AND ENTERING INTO AN MOU, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR.

OKAY, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTER.

>> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION TONIGHT.

I BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE WORK ON MORE THAN ONE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROSPECT AT A TIME BECAUSE AS NOTED, WE DID HAVE A SHORTFALL AND WE DO HAVE STATE LEGISLATION COMING AROUND THE CORNER THAT COULD SHORTFALL US MORE AND I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO MORE THINGS THAN FOCUS ON ONE THING LIKE TRINITY MILLS PROJECT FOR US TO MOVE ON.

SINCE IT'S AN MOU AND WE ARE NOT COMMITTING TO ANYTHING, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT TO LOOK AT.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER ROWENA WATTERS.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE HAVE RECEIVED A COMMUNICATION ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS. CAN WE HEAR THEM.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE NEED TO KNOW MORE.

SO THIS IS WHAT THE MOU IS FOR, FOR US TO LEARN MORE AS WE EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHETHER WE PROCEED OR NOT.

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>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: COUNCIL MEMBER CLINE.

>> NOT TO BE LEFT OUT. I TO CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.

I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS, WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES THE CITY MAY OWN AND DO THE BEST WE CAN TO PROTECT EVERYTHING BUT SEE IF THERE IS OPPORTUNITY -- THIS OPPORTUNITY IS SOMETHING THAT COULD WORK TO DRAW PEOPLE TO CARROLLTON AND HELP THEM KNOW MORE ABOUT US.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: OKAY. COUNCIL, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER LIGHTS. I DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE. SO WITH THAT, I WILL CALL THE VOTE. AND THE MOTION PASSES

[18. 7707 Hold A Public Hearing To Consider A Resolution Amending The Comprehensive Plan And The Future Land Use Map To Change An Approximately 8.36-Acre Site Located At 2415 East Trinity Mills Road From Low Intensity Office To Single-Family Residential. Case No. PLMA 2026-078 Kelly Cove (Comp Plan).]

ITEM NUMBER 18, WHICH IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO CHANGE AN APPROXIMATELY 8.36-ACRE SITE LOCATED AT 2415 EAST TRINITY MILLS ROAD FROM LOW INTENSITY OFFICE TO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. CASE NO. PLMA

2026-078 KELLY COVE (COMP PLAN) >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SHAPIRO, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: AND LET ME HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR 18 AND 19 JOINTLY. WE WILL HAVE TWO SEPARATE VOTES.

BUT IT'S ONE PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM NUMBER 19 IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING ON AN APPROXIMATELY 8.36-ACRE TRACT ZONED PD-44 FOR THE (HC) HEAVY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND LOCATED AT 2415 EAST TRINITY MILLS ROAD, TO AMEND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 44 TO CHANGE THE BASE ZONING TO THE (SF-5/12) SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO ESTABLISH CONCEPTUAL PLANS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS; AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ACCORDINGLY. CASE NO. PLZ 2026-079 KELLY COVE (ZONING).

SO THESE ARE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS HELD JOINTLY OR TWO VOTES.

>> SO YES, THIS IS THE FIRST 1I WILL GO OVER FIRST IS, LET'S JUST GO OVER WHERE THE PROPERTY IS FOR THESE TWO CASES.

THIS IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TRINITY MILLS JUST BARELY ADJACENT TO THE WEST SIDE OF KELLY BOULEVARD.

SO BEFORE ANY ZONING IS CONSIDERED FOR A PROPERTY, IF IT IS PROPOSING -- THE ZONING IS PROPOSING A DIFFERENT LANE USE THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY OUT THERE AND LANE USE IS REFERRING TO FUTURE LANE USE, WHAT THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS. AND SO RIGHT NOW, IT'S LOW INTENSITY OFFICE. AND WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CHANGE THAT TO IS TO MATCH THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE MORNINGSIDE SUBDIVISION TO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND THEY ARE REQUESTING THIS LAND USE CHANGE BECAUSE THE ACCOMPANYING ZONING REQUEST, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, IS TO CREATE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PROPERTY, AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THE ZONING, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BEFOREHAND. SO AGAIN, IT IS GOING FROM AN OFFICE DESIGNATION, LOW INTENSITY OFFICE, TO A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. CHLOE, IF YOU DON'T MIND TAKING THIS AWAY AND THEN PUTTING THE NEXT ONE UP, THE NEXT SLIDE FOR, WHAT IS THAT, 20? 19 AND 20.

OKAY, 19, SORRY. SO THIS IS THE ACCOMPANYING CASE, SAME PROPERTY SO NOW I'M GOING TO GET INTO THE ZONING.

WE ALREADY KNOW IT'S AN OFFICE DESIGNATION.

THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE TO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. SO THIS IS KIND OF A TRICKY SITE. IT'S NOT MORE THAN 230 FEET IN WIDTH FROM NORTH TO SOUTH THAT'S FROM TRINITY MILLS NORTH TO THE SINGLE FAMILY AND ALTHOUGH IT'S ALMOST 2000 FEET LONG, IT'S VERY NARROW. WE HAVE HAD ABOUT 14 PREDEVELOPMENT MEETINGS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS FOR THIS SITE. ANYTHING FROM TOWNHOMES TO SINGLE FAMILY TO SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES.

WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF REQUESTS IN HERE AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE HAS BEEN LAND USE COMPATIBILITY FOR IT BEING YOUR SINGLE USE FAMILY AND THEN TRYING TO CRAM A LOT OF PARCELS AND DENSITY THIS SIDE AND THIS IS A REMNANT TRACK THAT WAS CUT OFF WHEN THE GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE WAS CONSTRUCTED, SO IT'S ZONED FOR HEAVY COMMERCIAL AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SO AS A RESULT OF IT, IT IS CUT OFF FROM THE SOUTHERLY PARTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE JUST OFF OF THIS SCREENSHOT THIS IS ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL.

BUT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO IS TO CREATE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT

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THERE WOULD BE NO SHARED ACCESS OR STREET ACCESS TO THE MORNINGSIDE SUBDIVISION ADJACENT TO THE NORTH.

AS A RESULT OF THE DEPTH BEING CHALLENGING NORTH TO SOUTH, THEY'RE WANTING TO OBVIOUSLY HAVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SO THERE ARE LOTS ARE ONLY 73 FEET DEEP AND 45 FEET WIDE WHERE NORMALLY IN SINGLE FAMILY 512 WE TALK ABOUT A 5000 SQUARE FOOT PRODUCT IT'S OKAY DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT HERE AND A 90-FOOT DEEP HOME. WITH 50 FEET WIDE SO IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE FEET FOR THE DEPTH YOU HAVE TO FIT THE STREET IN THERE WHICH IS 45-FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET YOU HAVE MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WITH THE ONLY EXCEPTION BEING THOSE TWO TRACKS THAT ARE FURTHEST TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT IN THE CORNER. THOSE LOTS WOULD BE 83 FEET WIDE AND ONLY ABOUT 53 FEET DEEP TO ACCOMMODATE.

BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A TRICKY SHAPED LOT.

SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE FELT WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS THIS WAS A BETTER FIT TO PLACE IN THIS SMALL SPOT WITHOUT HAVING THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL ZONING WITHOUT HAVING TO CRAM A HIGHER DENSITY IN THERE SOME USES I SHOULD BRING UP THAT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT HEAVY COMMERCIALS INCLUDE AN AUTO PARTS STORES, AUTO REPAIR, CAR WASHES, SOME LIGHT MANUFACTURING, FREIGHT TRUCKING SERVICES AND EVEN ADULT USES.

AS A RESULT OF THAT WE WORKED PATIENTLY AND VERY DILIGENTLY AS I SAID 14 DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHO CAME IN TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING TO PUT ON THIS VACANT PARCEL AND SO THAT'S WHY STAFF WORKED WITH THEM TO PUT UP -- COME UP WITH A PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, WELL THEY DO VARY FROM THE TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A GOOD FIT, PROVIDING THE 61-FOOT LOTS. SOME OTHER CONCERNS WE HAD OF COURSE IS ADJACENCY. WE FEEL THAT OF COURSE BEING ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY IT FEELS LIKE A BETTER FIT OF COURSE THESE LOTS ARE NARROWER INCLUDING WHAT IS ADJACENT AND TO THE NORTH 16 OR 17-FOOT WIDE LOTS TO THE NORTH HOWEVER THERE IS NO CONNECTIVITY SO ALL THE ACCESS WOULD BE ALONG TRINITY MILLS AND ALONG A SERVICE ROAD AND THAT'S OF COURSE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL. BUT NEVERTHELESS, THE PLAN THEY PROVIDED PROVIDES LANDSCAPE BUFFERING ALONG TRINITY MILLS, AN 8-FOOT TALL MASONRY WALL THAT RUNS ALONG AND PARALLEL TO TRINITY MILLS BEHIND THE LANDSCAPING AND THEN ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY SINCE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALLEY ACCESS THEY WILL BE FRONT LOADED, THEY WILL HAVE A 6-FOOT TALL BOARD ON BOARD FENCE. THERE WAS DISCUSSION BY A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THE IDEA OF INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THAT FENCE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, OR POSSIBLY PUTTING SOME LANDSCAPING IN.

ULTIMATELY, THE COMMISSION WENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH IS A 6-FOOT WALL SOLELY ON THE PROPOSAL.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT THAT'S BASICALLY A SUMMARY OF WHAT OUR FINDINGS WERE ABOUT THE LAND USE PLAN FOR THE CHANGE PROPOSED AS WELL AS THE ZONING.

>> MR. SHAPIRO ON THE FIRST ENTRY TO THE RIGHT OF THE PAGE VERSUS THE LEFT WHICH IS THE EASTERNMOST IS THAT A DECELERATION LANE THAT I AM LOOKING AT.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> BUT THERE'S NOT A DECELERATION LANE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE SO WE WILL INVITE THEM TO MAKE A COMMENT. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER LIGHTS RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WISHES TO MAKE A STATEMENT, YOU MAY DO SO BY APPROACHING.

>> WE MAY HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I AM THE DIRECTOR OF ENTITLEMENT WITH RICH TOWER HOMES AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT.

>> MY NAME IS BOB AND I'M THE VP OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE APPLICANT AND I AM GOING TO STEP ASIDE. THEY ARE MORE THAN QUALIFIED TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION AND I MAY INTERJECT ONCE OR TWICE, BUT I

WILL STEP ASIDE. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR. SHAPIRO, THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.

MY PRESENTATION IS VERY SIMILAR, SO I WILL TRY AND GO ON IT QUICKLY. AS IT WAS MENTIONED, THAT THE SITE IS ABOUT 8.36 ACRES OF SITE IT IS A CHALLENGING SITE DUE TO

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OUR REQUEST IS APPROVAL OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

AND REZONING TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING SOME OTHER PROJECT DATA IS WE ARE PROPOSING ABOUT 61 HOMES ON THIS SITE FOR THE OPEN SPACE, WE ARE PROPOSING IS 17.5% WHICH IS MORE THAN THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE. THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS GOING TO BE ONE AND TWO STORY HOMES. THERE ARE GOING TO BE TWO PARKING SPACES, MEANING EVERY UNIT IS GOING TO HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE AS WELL AS THEY WILL HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES ON THE DRIVEWAY. THE REQUIRED DRIVEWAY THAT IS 1, BUT WE ARE AS PER STAFF STRICT WITH, WE ARE PROVIDING 20 FEET FROM BACK OF THE SIDEWALK TO THE GARAGE.

AND IN ADDITION, WE ARE ALSO PROVIDING FIVE DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES. WE HAVE MOST OF THE LOTS AS WELL AS WAS MENTIONED ARE 45-FOOT WIDE LOTS, SO 59 OF THEM ARE 45-FOOT WIDE LOT AND TWO OF THEM ARE 83-FOOT WIDE LOTS.

AND AS IT WAS MENTIONED, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND WE ALSO HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH THE MORNINGSIDE SUBDIVISION.

WE HAD ALSO LOOKED AT SOME PREVIOUS VIDEOS OF APPLICATION FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO AND ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS OF NEIGHBORS WAS POTENTIALLY HAVING TRAFFIC GOING IN FROM THIS COMMUNITY TO THEIR COMMUNITY. SO WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION FROM WHEN WE WERE DESIGNING THIS THAT WE ARE NOT SENDING TRAFFIC FROM THIS PROJECT TO THE MORNINGSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL, AND THAT IS WHY BOTH OF OUR ENTRANCES ARE ON TRINITY MILLS ROAD. AND EVEN AS PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE ARE MEETING ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG TRINITY MILLS ROAD WHICH IS ABOUT ON AN AVERAGE 15 FEET OF LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH 8-FOOT SCREENING MASONRY WALL BEHIND IT WHICH IS ALSO A SIDEWALK, ALL ALONG TRINITY MILLS ROAD AND AS ED MENTIONED, WE ARE EXCEEDING THE REQUIREMENT OF THE OPEN SPACE. AND, SOME OF THE FEATURES AND AMENITIES ARE WE WILL HAVE A KIDS PLAY AREA, OPEN GREEN SPACE AND A BOARD ON BOARD WOOD FENCE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE AND MASONRY SCREENING WALL ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE ALONG TRINITY MILLS ROAD.

REGARDING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR SF FIVE, WE ARE MEETING A MAJORITY OF THE STANDARDS. ONLY A PITY OR A VARIANCE WE ARE ASKING FOR IS IN THE SIZE OF THE LOT AGAIN DUE TO THE CONSTRAINT ON THE SIDE -- SITE ITSELF. AND YES, THIS WAS OUR BASICALLY PROCESS OF NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE LAST FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS. AND HERE ARE SOME IMAGERY FOR THE STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING AT THIS LOCATION HERE WE ARE SHOWING THREE DIFFERENT DISTINCT STYLES AND THEN OF COURSE THERE WOULD BE MORE COLOR VARIATIONS.

ONE IS FRENCH COUNTRY STYLE. THERE IS A MODERN PRAIRIE STYLE.

AND THERE IS GOING TO BE A TRANSITIONAL STYLE.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION AND INTEREST IN CARROLLTON. IT SEEMS LIKE A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF LIGHTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER WATTERS. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE CONSIDERED THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE PRIVACY CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS FROM MORNING STAR?

>> WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM.

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THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE PROPOSAL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS SINGLE FAMILY HOME

ON SINGLE FAMILY HOME, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> SORRY. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> I'M GOOD. >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM

CARPENTER. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THERE IS AN HOA THAT WILL BE ESTABLISHED WITH THIS

NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IS TRUE, YES? >> I'M SORRY?

>> AN HOA? >> THERE WILL BE, CORRECT.

>> AND THE FENCE THAT'S BEING DESCRIBED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WILL THAT BE OWNED BY THE HOA OR IS THAT OWNED BY THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS? THE BOARD ON BOARD FENCE.

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE INDIVIDUAL.

>> TYPICALLY, THOSE FENCES ARE OWNED BY THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER. BUT, THERE IS PRECEDENT WOULD -- MAINTENANCE OVER IT AND THAT COULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA

VERY EASILY. >> I'M NOT ASKING FOR IT, I'M JUST SEEKING CLARIFICATION. I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE FENCE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE AN HOA

PROPERTY. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTER.

>> I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THESE ARE 1200 FEET, THE HOUSES?

ARE THEY ALL 1200? >> I THINK THAT IS THE MINIMUM

SQUARE FOOTAGE. >> IT SAYS MINIMUM OF 1800.

>> SORRY, MINIMUM IS 1800. >> I THOUGHT I SAW 1200 UP

THERE. >> I THINK ORIGINALLY, BUT THE STIPULATION HAS PRESENTED 5B IS 1800.

>> OKAY. AND THEN YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU WOULD BE OKAY TO PUT THE 8-FOOT FENCE IN BETWEEN THE HOMES.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND IT LOOKS LIKE, I THOUGHT I SAW IT WAS 6-FOOT ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT THEN ALSO SAW SOME BRICK UNDER LAY AND THEN THE FENCE WAS ON TOP BASED ON THIS PICTURE IS THAT WHAT YOU ALL WERE PROPOSING? IF SO? NO? YOU SEE HOW THAT LOOKS LIKE YOURS?

>> THAT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE TO SHOW A BOARD ON BOARD FENCE NOT NECESSARILY HAVING A RETAINING WALL AT THE BOTTOM.

>> ARE YOU ALL SATISFIED WITH JUST PUTTING 6-FOOT BACK THERE WITH BETWEEN THE HIGH NEIGHBORHOOD OR WOULD YOU CONSIDER GOING 8-FOOT? I AM JUST ASKING.

>> I'M SORRY, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE FENCE ITSELF.

>> YES, ON THE NORTH SIDE. >> WE WERE SATISFIED WITH 6-FOOT AND SO WERE THE CITY STAFF, BUT AGAIN, WE WERE OPEN TO MAKING IT 8-FOOT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD SUGGEST.

>> I AM OKAY WHAT YOU ALL DECIDE.

>> IF YOU -- WOULD YOU MIND IF I ASK STAFF A QUESTION REAL FAST? THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO IT, DO THEY HAVE STIPULATIONS THAT REQUIRE AN 8-FOOT FENCE OR A 6-FOOT RECEPTACLE IN THAT

NEIGHBORHOOD? >> RIGHT NOW IT'S THE ACTUAL CONCEPT PLAN THAT SHOWS THE 6-FOOT FENCE ON THE REAR PART AND AN 8-FOOT WALL ALONG THE FENCE FOR TRAINING MILLS.

>> I UNDERSTAND. MY QUESTION IS ARE THERE STIPULATIONS IN THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE DIFFERENT

THAN 6-FOOT? >> NOT THAT I KNOW.

THEY JUST HAVE STANDARD PRIVACY FENCES.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU, YOU MAY HAVE A SEAT.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL INVITE ANYONE WISHING TO

SPEAK ON THIS. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: WE WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT ANY COMMENTS MADE. COUNCIL, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE? BUT IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION, YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW. IF YOU WOULD JUST GIVE US YOUR

NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MY NAME IS ZACH RAINBOW AND I LIVE AT 2244 BIG BEN -- BIG RAINBOW DRIVE WHICH IS ONE OF THE HOUSES DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. MY ALLEYWAY IS ABUTTING TO THAT OPEN LAND. THROUGH THE YEARS, MY WIFE AND I HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF THE PROJECTS HAVE COME AND FAILED ULTIMATELY THROUGH THERE. WE HAVE HEARD THE SCARE ABOUT AUTO PARTS STORES AND ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BETTER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN COME THROUGH THIS AREA. WE DO STILL HAVE A FEW CONCERNS.

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ON TOP OF THAT, THAT ALLEYWAY IS GOING TO BE PRETTY TIGHT AS SOON AS THEY PUT THAT FENCE AWAY IN AND THAT COULD CAUSE SOME ISSUES FOR CITY TRUCKS, SERVICES, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES THAT HAVE TO COME THROUGH THAT AREA SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD ASK YOU TO REALLY LOOK AT. ON TOP OF THAT, IF YOU EVER DRIVE THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION AT TRINITY MILLS AND KELLY, IT PROBABLY IS ONE OF THE SECOND MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS IN CARROLLTON AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

MY WIFE AND I HAVE CALLED TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE PAINT DOWN ON THEIR, BECAUSE PEOPLE COME WHIPPING THROUGH THAT AREA. SOME OF THE PREVIOUS CONCERNS ON SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDS THAT HAVE FAILED WAS THAT ENTRANCE ONTO GEORGE BUSH IN THAT AREA AND PEOPLE BACKTRACKING OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHEREVER THE EXITS ARE, TO TRY AND GET ONTO GEORGE BUSH. WE ALL KNOW TEXAS DRIVERS ARE A LITTLE CRAZY AROUND HERE, SO THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN OF MINE ESPECIALLY HAVING A 4-YEAR-OLD AND A 2-YEAR-OLD AT HOME WITH ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. ONE THING I DO LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PLAN IS THERE WILL BE A LITTLE PLAY AREA RIGHT THERE. HOPEFULLY IT IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE ADJOINING -- ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT WOULD BE WELCOMED. I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEING PAID FOR BY AN HOA OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, BUT THERE IS NO READILY AND EASILY ACCESSIBLE PARK TO OUR MORNINGSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE EITHER HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SCOTT MILL ACROSS THE TRAIN TRACKS, OR YOU HAVE TO GO ACROSS PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE AND FURTHER DOWN TO KELLY BEFORE YOU COULD HIT ANY OF THAT THAT ALL BEING SAID, MY WIFE AND I ARE TORN ON THIS ONE. WOULD WE LIKE FOR IT TO STAY A FIELD LIKE IT IS NOW AND I CAN GO FLY A KITE LIKE I DID BEFORE I CAME HERE TONIGHT WITH MY 4-YEAR-OLD BECAUSE HE WANTED TO? YES. DO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE ANTI-PROGRESS WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY AND THAT THE CITY IS BECOMING LANDLOCKED AND THERE IS NOT A WHOLE LOT LEFT TO DEVELOP? YEAH, WE GET THAT.

THINGS ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.

THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BETTER PLANS.

BUT I WOULD REALLY URGE YOU GUYS TO WORK WITH THE CITY PLANNERS AND WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS TO MAKE SURE ALL THE T'S AND I'S ARE CROSSED AND DOTTED BEFORE YOU APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU. I THINK I HAD ANOTHER REQUEST TO SPEAK IN THE BACK THERE. YES? JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU WOULD.

>> HELLO MY NAME IS HALEY AND I LIVE AT 1042 MAGNOLIA DRIVE.

I AM NOT OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME. BUT GROWING UP IN CARROLLTON, I AM USED TO OUR SHORT SEDGE GRASS PRAIRIES THAT WE USED TO HAVE AROUND HERE. WE USED TO HAVE A TON MORE BIRDS AND WILDLIFE AS WELL AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S ALSO AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF OUR CITY. IT IS SOMETHING THAT KEEPS US UNIQUE AND BEAUTIFUL AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE ANY LAND DEVELOPMENT IS DONE YOU TALK TO ANY I NATURALIST OR AN ECO COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOT ANY SPECIES OF PLANTS THAT ARE IN DANGER THAT WOULD BE MOWED OVER OR CONCRETED OVER AND ALSO I THINK THAT HAVING A PLAYGROUND FOR CHILDREN IS A VERY GOOD IDEA AND I ALSO THINK THAT JUST HAVING FREE GREENBELT SPACE IS ALSO A VERY WONDERFUL IDEA AS WELL, ESPECIALLY SINCE OUR PRAIRIES ARE ONE OF OUR MAIN CARBON SINKS IN TEXAS. SO I URGE YOU ALL TO PLEASE CONSIDER AT LEAST LOOKING AT THE SPECIES LOCATED WITHIN THIS FIELD, MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY INTERRUPTION OF ANY ENDANGERED PLANTS OR ANIMALS.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO WEIGH IN ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW. YES.

APPROACH THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME -- STATE YOUR NAME IF

YOU PLEASE, NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS [INDISTINCT].

I HAVE A PROPERTY AT 22 '02 [INDISTINCT].

AND LIKE THAT GENTLEMAN, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY AND IF WE COULD ADDRESS THOSE PRIVACY CONCERNS ESPECIALLY WITH THE TWO STORY HOMES, I'M 100% BEHIND THIS PROJECT.

>> THANK YOU. GOING ONCE GOING TWICE.

ALL RIGHT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.

I WILL GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT ANY OF THE COMMENTS MADE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WISH.

YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM AND DO SO IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS

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>> I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT REGARDING NATURE AND ENDANGERED SPECIES. AS A RULE OF THUMB, WE ALWAYS DO, BEFORE EVEN WE START ON ANY PROJECT, WE DO THE PHASE ONE'S ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AS WELL AS WHAT WE CALL [INDISTINCT] ENVIRONMENTAL, WHERE WE REASSESS ANY -- ENDANGERED SPECIES, THE WATERS OF THE USA, OR ANY ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCE POTENTIAL WHICH WE HAVE DONE ON THIS SIDE AND THERE IS NO CONCERN, THERE ARE NO ENDANGERED SPECIES THAT WE WOULD BE MOVING OR IMPACTING.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: VERY GOOD.

>> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC FORUM OR HEARING PART, WE HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT ALTERNATIVE USES AND FREE GREEN SPACE AND ALL THAT. THIS IS NOT CITY PROPERTY, WE DON'T OWN THIS PROPERTY TODAY? SO THE ALTERNATIVE USE THAT YOU IDENTIFIED IN THE BEGINNING WAS IF YOU COULD MAYBE REITERATE SOME OF THOSE HEAVY USE USES AND SINGLE FAMILY.

>> SO THERE IS AUTO PARTS STORE, THERE'S AUTO REPAIR, CAR WASH, SOME LIGHTNING ADVENTURING, FREIGHT TRUCKING AND THEN ADULT

USES. >> THAT LAND IS SUBJECT TO BE DEVELOPED BASED ON THAT ZONING AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF OR APPLICANT, OTHERWISE I WILL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION. COUNCIL MEMBER AXBERG.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS AS WELL AS YOUR COMMENT -- THE APPLICANT'S COMMENT EARLIER REGARDING THE 6-FOOT BOARDED WALL IN THE BACK. WOULD THERE BE AN AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO STIPULATE AND TO ENSURE THAT WALL IS SIX NOT 8-FOOT AND BE ABLE TO ADD THAT AS STIPULATED?

>> WE COULD ADD THAT AS A TEXT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THEM REVISE THE CONCEPT TO ACCOMMODATE IT.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SHAPIRO. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VIABLE.

I THINK THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE PRIVACY ISSUES AND I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT BEING OPEN TO THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. SHAPIRO. >> OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER CLINE. >> I WILL NEED HELP FIGURING OUT. WE ARE ON TWO ITEMS AT ONCE?

>> SO WE ARE TAKING ONE VOTE AT A TIME.

>> SO THEN I WOULD ONLY BE MAKING A MOTION.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: ON ITEM NUMBER 22 -- 18.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 18.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: OKAY PLEASE SAY AS STIPULATED.

>> WHAT IS STIPULATED? >> THIS IS ONLY THE ZONING

CHANGE. >> S.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY A STIPULATED.

BUT I HAVE A LIGHT FOR A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARPENTER.

>> BEFORE I SECOND THAT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT TO COUNCIL THAT I BELIEVE THAT DESIGNING FROM THE DAIS IS A BAD IDEA AND I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. I BELIEVE THAT GIVEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT, OR TO THE NORTH OF IT --

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: COUNCIL MEMBER IF YOU WANT TO OFFER UP A

SECOND. >> OKAY, I WILL OFFER UP A SECOND. MAY I PROCEED?

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: YES. >> I JUST WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT WE DON'T -- DESIGN FROM THE DAIS.

I BELIEVE STAFF HAVE DONE THEIR JOB AND WE SHOULD TAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION WHERE WE WOULD BE PUTTING AN OBLIGATION ON A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS NOT SIMILAR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO SO WHEN THAT COMES UP FOR CONSIDERATION ON THE NEXT ITEM THAT'S MY COMMENT THERE. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: COUNCIL MEMBER AXBERG.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

THE INTENTION HERE WAS NOT NECESSARILY TO DESIGN FROM THE DAIS. IT WAS REALLY JUST TO BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THE REQUEST I WAS KIND OF RESTATING FROM WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING. I AGREE WITH THE DEPUTY -- DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE REDESIGNING ANY OF THE PROPOSALS FOR THAT ASSESSMENT AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT I GREW UP ADJACENT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY FAMILY MOVED THERE IN 1982, AND THAT PLACE OF LAND I THINK FROM A U.S. STANDPOINT THAT WAS DESCRIBED AS FAR AS WHAT IS

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YOU BOTH, WE APPRECIATE YOU. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: COUNCIL, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLINE AND SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CARPENTER TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18 WHICH IS CASE NUMBER PLA20 -- RESIDENTIAL. CASE NO. PLMA 2026-078 KELLY COVE (COMP PLAN).

SEEING NO MORE LIGHTS, I WILL CALL THE VOTE.

[19. 7708 Hold A Public Hearing To Consider An Ordinance Amending The Zoning On An Approximately 8.36-Acre Tract Zoned PD-44 For The (HC) Heavy Commercial District And Located At 2415 East Trinity Mills Road, To Amend Planned Development 44 To Change The Base Zoning To The (SF-5/12) Single-Family Residential District To Establish Conceptual Plans And Development Standards; Amending The Official Zoning Map Accordingly. Case No. PLZ 2026-079 Kelly Cove (Zoning).]

WITH THAT COUNCIL, WE WILL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 19 WE WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION ON NUMBER 19 WHICH IS THE ZONING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY. COUNCIL MEMBER CLINE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 19 AS

PRESENTED. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: COUNCIL

MEMBER FLEMING. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT

MOTION. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BY CLINE AND SECONDED BY FLEMING TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 19 WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL. CASE NO. PLMA 2026-078 KELLY COVE (COMP PLAN). AND APPLAUD OUR DEPUTY MAYOR MAYOR PRO TEM ABOUT DESIGNING FROM THE DAIS.

AND I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE RELATIVE TO OUR ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOOD AND TIDAL RESTRICTIONS ON THIS ONE VERSUS THOSE, SO APPRECIATE THAT. THAT SAYS YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ON THE PNC CHAIR AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS?

COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING. >> NONE.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IF I LOOK AT THE TEXT HERE, IT ACTUALLY SAYS THE BASE ZONING TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ESTABLISHED CONCEPTUAL PLANS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM JASON CARPENTER BECAUSE I BELIEVE PRIVACY IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THIS CASE AS FAR AS THE WALL AND THE SIDES OF THE WALL AND MAYBE EVEN CONSIDERING HIGH WINDOWS IN THE SECOND FLOOR TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF PRIVACY FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT

ARE THERE. >> I THINK I WILL LET HIM SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, BUT HE WAS NOT SAYING IT'S NEVER DONE I THINK HE'S JUST SHARING BEST PRACTICES, BUT CERTAINLY COUNCIL IS ALWAYS OPEN TO PROVIDE STIPULATIONS ALL THEY WANT.

THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR HOWEVER WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS.

I HAVE NO OTHER LIGHTS TO SPEAK AND WITH THE MOTION AND A SECOND I WILL CALL TO VOTE. AND THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, CONGRATULATIONS. AND I KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL

[20. 7709 Hold A Public Hearing To Consider An Ordinance Amending The Zoning To Repeal SUP-523, A Special Use Permit Allowing “All Other Amusement And Recreation Uses And Activities” Located At 2661 Midway Road, Suite 110, And Zoned (LI) Light Industrial District; Amending The Official Zoning Map Accordingly. Case No. PLSUP 2026-097 Coded Lounge Café Repeal.]

THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER 20.

THIS IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING TO REPEAL SUP -- A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW ALL OTHER RECREATION USES AND ACTIVITIES LOCATED AT 2661 MIDWAY ROAD CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING TO REPEAL SUP-523, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ALLOWING “ALL -- OTHER AMUSEMENT AND RECREATION USES AND ACTIVITIES” LOCATED AT 2661 MIDWAY ROAD, SUITE 110, AND ZONED (LI) LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT; AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ACCORDINGLY. CASE NO. PLSUP 2026-097 CODED LOUNGE CAÉE REPEAL. MR. SHAPIRO.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS SUP IS ONE THAT IS CITY INITIATED.

AS YOU KNOW PERIODICALLY, WE DO REVIEW AND ASSESS SUPS.

MOSTLY WHEN THEY ARE INACTIVE. WHEN I GET RID OF SOME THAT ARE INACTIVE, THIS IS HOWEVER SINCE APPROVAL BACK IN NOVEMBER, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS, LET ME START BY GOING OVER A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL YOU COULD SEE THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO UTILIZE 2100 SQUARE FOOT SUITE, SUITE 110 SHOWN IN RED.

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HOWEVER, THEY DID INDICATE IN THAT LETTER THAT SHOULD THERE BE ANY SMOKING OR ALCOHOL OR ALCOHOL, THE SMOKING PART OF IT THEY WOULD COME IN AND REQUEST A SEPARATE SUP FOR SMOKING LOUNGE AND IT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR THIS USE THAT WAS APPROVED IS NOT THAT. SECONDLY, IF THERE WERE TO BE ALCOHOL ON THE PREMISES, THEY WOULD EITHER GO ACQUIRE A BYOB FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT AS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE, OR GET A TAXI LICENSE TO SELL ALCOHOL ON SITE.

-- GET A TABC TO SELL ALCOHOL ON SITE.

WITH THAT IN MIND THEY DID SEEK APPROVAL FOR ALL RECREATIONAL USES AND SPECIFICALLY, THE SUP STATED THERE WOULD BE NO SMOKING ALLOWED. THE APPLICANT ALSO REQUESTED THE HOURS OF OPERATION BE EXTENDED. ORIGINALLY, STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED THE HOURS TO CEASE AT 2:00 A.M.

HOWEVER, SINCE IT INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE SMOKING OR ALCOHOL ON PREMISE, THE COUNCIL WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO EXTEND THE HOURS ON FRIDAY TO SUNDAY 11 UNTIL FOUR AND THEN INTO THE 2:00 A.M. SO LET'S GO OVER VERY QUICKLY THE REGULATIONS BEFORE I GET INTO A TIMELINE WHAT HAPPENS THEN. ARTICLE 21 IS SPECIAL USE PERMITS REQUIRES APPLICANTS OF A SUP COMPLY WITH ALL CITY ORDINANCES AND CONDITIONS AS WELL AS STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS.

OTHER REGULATIONS TO POINT OUT WE HAVE IN THE CITY IS NO BUSINESS SHALL OPERATE WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ISSUED BY BUILDING INSPECTION AND THAT ANY ALCOHOL ON PREMISE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE EITHER AB OR B OR ANY SALES WOULD HAVE TO FIRST ACQUIRE A PERMIT THROUGH OUR TABC, TEXAS ALCOHOL AND BEVERAGE COMMISSION IN ORDER TO OPERATE. SO LET ME GET INTO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TIMELINE. BUILDING INSPECTION ALWAYS WORKS WITH BUSINESS OWNERS BEFORE THEY OPEN AND OPERATE IN A SUITE AND THIS WAS NO DIFFERENT. AND THEY ASSISTED THE APPLICANT BUT THEY OBSERVED THAT THE BUSINESS MAY HAVE BEEN OPERATING WITHOUT THE VALID C OH,, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

SO ON FEBRUARY 22ND OF THIS YEAR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES INSPECTED THE LOUNGE IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS AND THEY DOCUMENTED PATRONS ENTERING AND LEAVING THE PREMISES AND THEY DID NOT YET ACQUIRE THAT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WHICH AGAIN IS IN VIOLATION OF CITY CODE. SO IN RESPONSE, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES CONTACTED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY DID AN INSPECTION OF THE INTERIOR, BOTH ON FEBRUARY 25TH AND MARCH 15TH.

POLICE OFFICERS CONDUCTED THOSE INSPECTIONS AND WITH THEIR BODY CAMERA OBSERVED THAT INDEED THERE WAS NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ON PREMISES AND THAT THE -- CODED LOUNGE OPERATED ILLEGALLY AS THERE WAS ALCOHOL CONSUMED AND POSSIBLE SALES WITHOUT A TABC LICENSE NOR A BYOB FROM ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. AND FURTHERMORE, THEY WERE OBSERVED SMOKING WHICH WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE SUP.

AS A RESULT OF THAT, IT WENT TO MUNICIPAL COURT WHILE THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT DID PLEAD NO CONTEST, THE CHARGES ARE STILL ASSESSED AS WELL AS THE FINES FOR REPEATED VIOLATIONS.

AS A RESULT ON MAY 22ND, THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WAS REVOKED. THE APPLICANT DID NOT APPEAL THAT REVOCATION, AND IT FOLLOWED WITH STAFF FOLLOWING THE CITY INITIATED REQUEST FOR THIS SUP AND ON JULY SECOND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL REVOKING THE SUP BY A VOTE OF NINE TO ZERO.

SO FOR THAT REASON, STAFF IS BRINGING THIS ISSUE BEFORE THE COUNCIL AS A RESULT OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND THE NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS AND THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE SUP BE

REVOKED. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FROM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT IF ANYONE WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION, YOU MAY DO SO. PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS MY NAME IS CASEY. I AM THE APPLICANT AND THE OPERATOR OF OUR CODED LOUNGE. SITUATED AT IT'S ADDRESS.

AND I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE THE REPEAL OF THAT PE PERMIT. I UNDERSTAND THERE HAVE BEEN

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WE WERE DOING A P.R. MARKETING EVENT IN THIS SPACE IN PREPARATION FOR OUR GRAND OPENING WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WITHIN A WEEK. WE HAD OUR MARKETING FOLKS, WE HAD CAMERAS, PHOTOGRAPHERS, WE HAD SOME MODELS, TYPICAL P.R.

MARKETING STUFF. THE PATH TO OPENING WAS A TREACHEROUS PATH FOR US. AND NO BIG DEAL, WE GET FILED FOR THE MOST MINUTE LITTLE THINGS LIKE NOT HAVING A LABEL ON THE DOOR, A SIGNAGE ON THE DOOR OR REMOVING SOME WALL DECORATIONS THAT CONTINUED TO PUSH OUR OPENING DATE OUT BY SEVERAL WEEKS. ONE OF THE OCCASIONS THAT MR. SHAPIRO MENTIONED HERE IS THAT WE HAD PEOPLE IN THE VENUE, IT WAS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, IT WAS SIMPLY JUST PR PEOPLE AND MARKETING PEOPLE WHO WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE READY TO GET THE PLACE PROMOTED AND JUMPED OFF THE MOMENT WE GET THE PERMIT. NOW, I TAKE THIS VIOLATION VERY SERIOUSLY. I WENT INTO THE COURT AND WE PLEADED, I TALKED WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY.

WE PLED NO CONTEST BUT WE PLED THE CITATIONS THAT WE HAD CURED THOSE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HAD. AS WE SPEAK, THE SPACE REMAINS DORMANT. BECAUSE OF THE REPEAL WE'RE NOT ASKING TO SIMPLY -- I'M NOT ASKING TO OPPOSE THE REPEAL, BUT TO MAYBE CONSIDER A CONTINUATION TO ALLOW US EXPLORE OTHER VIABLE PATHS FOR US. A BIT OF HISTORY AND CONTEXT.

THE UNIT SUITE 110 WAS INITIALLY COMBINED WITH SUITE 109.

BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE SPACE, THE TWO UNITS WERE ONE BIG OPEN SPACE OF OVER 6000 SQUARE FEET. IT WAS A SPORTS BAR.

WE MOVED INTO THAT SPACE WITH THE CONFIDENCE THAT WE COULD PERPETUATE THEIR OPERATIONS. JUST TO LEARN THAT OH BASED ON THE CONFIGURATION WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE WITHOUT HAVING TO INSTALL A SPRINKLER SYSTEMS WHICH WAS VERY EXPENSIVE.

THAT INITIATED THE NEED TO BUILD A WALL, AND ADVISING WALL, THAT'S WHAT BIRTHED THE CONCEPT OF CODED LOUNGE.

AND WHILE WE OPERATED, WE HAVE HAD AMAZING, AMAZING EXPERIENCES IN THAT SPACE WE'VE HAD BIRTHDAY PARTIES, WE'VE HAD OPEN WORD POETRY NIGHTS, WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF OTHER EVENTS WITH ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE AND THE CATERING AT THOSE EVENTS CAME FROM NEXT DOOR, THE RESTAURANT THAT WE OPERATE IN KINGS CAVE.

OR, MY OTHER RESTAURANTS, SASHA, CAFE NUBIAN, SPATCHCOCK AND THE REST OF THEM. SO WHILE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE OCCASIONS WHERE SOME UNSCRUPULOUS PEOPLE WITHIN MY TEAM MAY HAVE ALLOWED CERTAIN ACTS OF -- CERTAIN BEHAVIORS THAT WERE NOT ACCEPTABLE, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A REASON TO PERMANENTLY REMOVE THE ENTITLEMENT THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US AS WE SPEAK TODAY WE ARE EXPLORING THE OPTION TO RECOMBINE THE TWO SPACES QUITE FRANKLY, THAT WAS THE VISION THAT WE HAD. I SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK ALREADY, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE MET WITH THE CHALLENGE OF WE CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 5000 SQUARE FEET THE OCCUPANCY WOULD BE TOO HIGH EVEN THOUGH THE PREVIOUS OCCUPANTS OF THE SPACE HAD ENJOYED SOME NONCONFORMING USE PRIVILEGES.

I WAS ON A CALL TODAY WITH SOMEONE FROM THE CITY WHO TOLD ME THAT EVEN IF I WERE TO PUT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN THE UNIT, I WOULD HAVE TO PUT THE SPRINKLER IN ALL OF THE UNITS ON THAT

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MY NEIGHBOR NEXT TO THE PIZZA PLACE HAS A SPRINKLER SYSTEM, WHY DIDN'T THEY HAVE TO DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF YOU GO AND DO IT, THAT'S WHAT YOU GO AND DO.

SO THERE ARE LOTS OF OBSTACLES THAT WE ARE FACING THAT HAS IMPACTED OUR ABILITY TO OPERATE IN THE FASHION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO OPERATE. ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT COUNCIL RESPECTFULLY, WE ARE EXPLORING THESE OTHER PATHS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD EFFECTIVELY COMBINE THE TWO SPACES AND GO BACK TO THE REGIONAL PLAN.

BUT WHILE WE DO THAT, LET'S NOT TAKE AWAY THE ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT THAT HAS BEEN GRANTED TO US.

LET'S PRESERVE IT, WE'VE ALREADY CURED THE ISSUES, WE'VE ALREADY CORRECTED THESE ISSUES THE VIOLATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED. WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE OTHER [INDISTINCT] WAYS FOR US TO CONTINUE OPERATING WITHIN CITY PERMITS AND LAWS.

I KNOW I HAVE RAISED TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE WHICH IS A MATTER OF TRYING TO COMBINE THIS SPACE VERSUS THE ISSUE OF JUST REPEALING THIS, BUT THERE ARE IN SOME SENSE INTERRELATED.

BECAUSE IF WE HAD NOT DIVIDED AND CREATED CODED LOUNGE, WHICH WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT STRATEGY, THAT WAS BORN OUT OF THE RESTRICTION TO USE THE SPACE AS THE PREVIOUS TENANT ENJOYED BEFORE WE MOVED IN, WE WOULD NOT BE IN THIS PREDICAMENT.

BUT NOW THAT WE ARE IN IT, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE CITY'S HELP AND ASSISTANCE TO GUIDE US THROUGH IT AND PERHAPS, EXTENSION OF THOSE NON-CONFORMING PRIVILEGES SO THAT WE TOO COULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE IN THE LARGEST SUITE WITHOUT HAVING TO INVEST $75,000 TO PUSH FOR A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN A PROPERTY THAT IS NOT MINE. THANK YOU,.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I INVITE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION TO APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW.

SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COUNCIL, WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THIS IS A STAFF INITIATED APPLICATION.

COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING. >> ACTUALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION

FOR MR. CASEY. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: WE

CAN'T QUESTION A MEMBER OF -- >> I'M SORRY, MR. SHAPIRO, WOULD YOU STEP UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? I THINK I HAVE ALREADY TALKED TO MR. CASEY.

I THINK THE CODED LOUNGE AS WELL AS CAFE NUBIA AND THEN KINGS CAVE. SO GREAT FOOD AND GREAT SERVICES. THIS PARTICULAR, YOU DISCUSSED THAT THERE WAS A VISIT TO THE CODED LOUNGE AND THERE WERE OCCUPANTS DRINKING AND SMOKING OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, BEFORE THE ISSUE WENT TO THE CO.

>> DID YOU GUYS SEEK CAMERAS? >> WE DID.

>> YOU SOUGHT CAMERAS? >> WE DID, WE HAD OUR CITY BODY

CAMERAS. >> DID YOU SEE PHOTOGRAPHERS

PLACE [INDISTINCT] CAMERAS? >> I WOULD HAVE TO GET SOMEONE

ELSE TO ANSWER THAT. >> GOT YOU.

>> ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DIRECTOR.

ON THE FIRST OBSERVATION, NO ENTRANCE WAS MADE.

IT WAS JUST THE GENERAL, WE ARE SEEING A BUSINESS THAT SHOULD NOT BE IN OPERATION OPERATING. THE KEY THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THESE VIOLATIONS WERE THEN SUBSEQUENTLY FOUND AT TWO

DIFFERENT VISITS. >> SO NO ONE ACTUALLY WENT INTO THE VENUE? I THOUGHT ON ONE OCCASION

SOMEONE DID. >> LET ME GET YOU THE EXACT DATES OF THOSE. THE FIRST INSPECTIONS -- SORRY, OBSERVATION WAS COMPLETED FEBRUARY 22ND TO FOLLOW UP INSPECTIONS WERE COMPLETED AND THIS WAS WITH INTERIOR ACCESS ON FEBRUARY 25TH AND AGAIN ON MARCH 15TH.

AND ALCOHOL AND [INDISTINCT] WAS BEING PROVIDED AT BOTH OF THOSE

INSPECTIONS. >> GOT YOU.

BUT NO CAMERAS WERE SEEN OR VIDEOS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON INSIDE IF YOU ARE AWARE, WAS THERE ANY NOTES?

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>> NOT THAT WE ARE AWARE OF, NO. >> GOT YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER AXBERG. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 19.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: AND COUNCIL MEMBER CLINE.

>> I HAD A DISCUSSION ITEM BUT I GUESS I COULD SECOND THE MOTION I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. ITEM NUMBER 20.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER AXBERG AND SECONDED BY CLINE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 20 WHICH IS PLSUP 2026-097 CODED LOUNGE CAÉE REPEAL.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. SHAPIRO.

PENDING THIS ITEM GETS APPROVED TO REVOKE THE SUP, IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE APPLICANT FROM RETURNING AND APPLYING FOR ONE

AGAIN, DOES IT? >> THEY WILL HAVE ONE YEAR IF IT

IS DENIED. >> OKAY.

THAT MEANS IT IS DENIED? >> IT'S LIKE A ZONING [INDISTINCT]. YOU COULD KIND OF EXPLAIN.

OKAY, I WILL GO AHEAD. I WILL TRY.

SO ANYWAY, IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE IS A SECTION IN THERE THAT IS SPECIFICALLY STATING THAT ANY ZONING REQUESTS THAT IS DESIGNED -- DENIED BY THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO WAIT ONE YEAR TO REAPPLY FOR A ZONING CHANGE.

>> FOR THE SAME. >> YES, FOR THE SAME KIND OF USE

OR LIKE USE. >> SO THIS IS VIEWED AS A

DENIAL? >> NO, THIS IS A SUP THAT IS CURRENTLY ACTIVE THAT YOU ALL HAD APPROVED LAST YEAR.

WHAT THIS IS A REASSESSMENT AND A RECOMMENDATION TO REVOKE THAT SUP THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR. APPROVING IT WOULD BE REVOKING

THE SUP. >> AND THAT'S A DENIAL UNDER THE

ZONING? >> UNDER THE ZONING CODE, A

REVOCATION, YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> SHE SECONDED IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER FLEMING.

>> MR. SHAPIRO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

SAY FOR INSTANCE IF MR. [INDISTINCT], THE CURRENT [INDISTINCT] NEXT DOOR KING'S CAVE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO CODED LOUNGE, COULD HE APPLY FOR -- COULD HE APPLY TO COMBINE BOTH OF THOSE UNITS, OR NO BECAUSE HE IS THE OWNER OF CODED LOUNGE? KIND OF CURIOUS HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

HE OWNS KING CAVE SO IF HE WANTED TO TAKE THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE AND COMBINE IT AS YOU DISCUSSED THAT MIGHT SEEM LIKE THAT'S THE BEST FOOT FORWARD FOR HIM.

>> THAT WOULD NOT BE A SUP SO HE WOULD NOT NEED A [INDISTINCT] TO PAY FOR THAT USE. THAT WOULD BE A REDEVELOPMENT POTENTIALLY OF THE PROPERTY, BUT NOT A SUP FOR OTHER AMUSEMENT WHICH IS WHAT IS BEING DENIED TONIGHT.

>> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR PRO TEM PALOMO.

>> THANK YOU. MY QUESTION I THINK IS FOR [INDISTINCT]. WHEN THE INITIAL OBSERVATION WAS MADE AND THE SECOND OBSERVATION WERE BOTH OF THESE POLICE CALLS?

>> NO, THE FIRST 1I CAN'T RECALL EXACTLY WHAT GENERATED THAT FIRST VISIT WAS THE MARCH 22ND VISIT WAS JUST AN EXTERIOR OPERATION WAS JUST SEEING A BUSINESS THAT APPEARED TO BE AN OPERATION OF CUSTOMERS COMING AND GOING.

THE TWO FOLLOW UP INSPECTIONS WERE DONE BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS AN INTERIOR INSPECTION WHERE THEY WALKED AROUND THE PREMISES AND FROM THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE THAT ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES RECEIVED AS WORN BY THOSE POLICE OFFICERS, THAT WAS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE FOR THE CITATIONS THAT WERE ADJUDICATED THROUGH THE MUNICIPAL COURT.

>> IS AT THE NORM FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO CONDUCT THESE TYPES

OF INVESTIGATIVE VISITS? >> I'M SORRY, I DID NOT QUITE CATCH THE FIRST PART OF THE QUESTION?

>> IS IT THE NORM FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO MAKE THESE TYPES OF INVESTIGATIVE VISITS TO BUSINESSES?

>> YES, IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARDS TO ALCOHOL IN A PLACE THAT'S NOT

APPROVED FOR IT. >> BASED ON THE INITIAL REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT WHEN WE FIRST APPROVED THIS LAST YEAR I NOTED THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN ALCOHOL FREE TYPE ESTABLISHMENT AND A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WHO DON'T DRINK AND GO AND STILL HAVE A GOOD TIME IN A LATE NIGHT SETTING.

FOR THAT REASON, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE REVOCATION. THANK YOU.

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>> THE BASIS OF THIS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S OPERATING WITH AT A VALID CO AND IN VIOLATION OF THE ZONING SUP STIPULATIONS AS PART OF WHICH WAS JUST ARTICULATED FROM MAYOR

PRO TEM. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING IS THAT THEY DID GET THEIR CO AND CONTINUE TO OPERATE ON THOSE TWO SEPARATE LAST DATES OF INSPECTION. THEY HAD RECEIVED THEIR CO AND THAT'S WHY THE CO WAS LATER REVOKED, THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS. THEY OPERATED BEFORE -- THEY WERE ALLEGED TO HAVE OPERATED BEFORE THEY HAD A CO FOR SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE SEEING AND THEN THEY WENT BACK ON INSPECTION AFTER THEY GOT THE CO AND THE SAME THINGS WERE SEEN BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THE TIMELINE, THEY DID HAVE A CO AND THEY WERE OPERATING AS HOOKAH AND SMOKING I BELIEVE YOU

SAID. >> THEY WERE NOT APPROVED FOR

EITHER. >> BUT THEY DID NOT HAVE A CZO

AT THAT TIME. >> FEBRUARY 22ND FOR THE WRITE UP, THEY WERE OPERATING WITHOUT A CO.

THAT WAS THE VIEW FROM ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES.

ON FEBRUARY 25TH AND 15TH,'S CO ISSUES.

THEY WERE VISITED BY THE POLICE AS FOLLOW UP INSPECTIONS AND THEY WERE IN VIOLATION OF THEIR ZONING STIPULATIONS FOR THE SUP.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, IN ADDITION TO OTHER CODE OF ORDINANCES,

YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER

FLEMING. >> YES, IS THAT NORMAL FOR POLICE TO DO FOLLOW UP VISITS TO AN ESTABLISHMENT IF THEY FEEL THAT THEY ARE NOT OPERATING PROPERLY? WHICH DEPARTMENT DOES THAT, IS IT THE POLICE OR ENVIRONMENTAL

SERVICES? >> IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE VIOLATIONS OR COMPLAINT IS THAT IS RECEIVED.

IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THERE WAS THE CONCERN OF ALCOHOL BEING CONSUMED, THAT IS TYPICALLY GOING TO BE A POLICE RESPONSE? HAVE AT TIMES CONDUCTED JOINT INSPECTIONS BOTH WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING INSPECTION.

IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION. >> I ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE [INDISTINCT] SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT AT A LATER DATE AND IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE BEING TARGETED FOR WHATEVER REASON, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: COUNCIL, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER LIGHTS. I DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

WITH THAT, I WILL CALL THE VOTE. >> AND THE MOTION TO REVOKE THE

[21. 7710 Hold A Public Hearing To Consider An Ordinance Amending The Zoning To Amend, Restate, And Replace Special Use Permit 508 To Allow Other Motor Vehicle Sales (Heavy Load Trucks) And To Revise Development Standards On An Approximately 8.79-Acre Tract Zoned (LI) Light Industrial District And Located At 1519 West Belt Line Road; Amending The Official Zoning Map Accordingly. Case No. PLSUP 2026-104 Romco.]

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER 21, TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING -- CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING TO AMEND, RESTATE, AND REPLACE SPECIAL USE PERMIT 508 TO ALLOW OTHER MOTOR VEHICLE SALES (HEAVY LOAD TRUCKS) AND TO REVISE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ON AN APPROXIMATELY 8.79-ACRE TRACT ZONED (LI) LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND LOCATED AT 1519 WEST BELT LINE ROAD; AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP ACCORDINGLY. CASE NO. PLSUP 2026-104 ROMCO. THIS WILL SOUND FAMILIAR TO

EVERYONE. >> YES, THIS SUP IS BEING REHEARD AGAIN, BUT THIS IS THE APPLICANT REQUESTING THIS MODIFICATION. BACK IN MARCH, YOU ALL APPROVED THIS SUP, AND ESSENTIALLY, IT'S FOR THE SAME USE, BUT THE CURRENT SUP, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR RESULTS SHEET, INDICATED OTHER MOTOR VEHICLE SALES HOWEVER CACKETTE INDICATED CONCRETE MIXING UNITS ONLY. AND AT THE TIME, WE THOUGHT ANY APPLICANT BELIEVED THAT THAT WAS ALL THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF HEAVY LOAD TRUCKS.

SINCE THAT TIME, THE APPLICANT WANTED TO ADD ADDITIONAL LARGE HEAVY LOAD TRUCKS WHICH ARE BASICALLY THOSE VEHICLES THAT ARE IN EXCESS OF 7500 POUNDS AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, WHAT STAFF IS -- WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO IS JUST TO HAVE MORE GENERAL TYPE OF THOSE TRUCKS RATHER THAN NARROWING IT DOWN TO JUST CONCRETE MIXING UNITS. THE PLAN ITSELF IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY EXPANSION.

THE AREA IS SHOWN IN RED ARE YOUR ONLY STORAGE AREAS IN WHICH THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THESE HEAVY LOAD TRUCKS.

SO THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. WHAT HAS CHANGED IS THAT THEY ARE JUST WANTING TO HAVE A GREATER VARIETY OF THOSE TYPES OF HEAVY LOAD TRUCKS WHERE THE CURRENT SUP LIMITS THEM TO ONLY VOLUMETRIC CONCRETE MIXING UNITS ONLY, THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM AS A GENERAL RULE, STILL OTHER MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, BUT IT SPECIFIES THAT IT IS HEAVY LOAD TRUCKS. SO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY OF

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SO AS A PLAN, THE PLAN I HAVE BACK HERE, IT DOES NOT CHANGE AT ALL. IT'S JUST ALLOWING THESE ADDITIONAL TYPES OF OTHER MOTOR VEHICLE SALES.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SEAT.

DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO MAKE A STATEMENT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT YOU ARE WELCOME TO.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M GERALDINE FREEMAN AND THE DIRECTOR OF LEGAL COMPLIANCE AND IS MANAGEMENT AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THIS AMENDMENT TO THE SUP. WHEN WE DID APPLY FOR THIS, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN DEED, WE WERE ONLY PLANNING ON OPERATING THE CEMENT TRUCKS FROM THIS LOCATION, HOWEVER IN 2024, WE PURCHASED A DEALERSHIP IN LEVITT, TEXAS WHICH OFFERED THE REMAINDER OF THESE, THE WATER TRUCKS.

WE WERE HAPPILY SELLING THEM THROUGH THAT DEALERSHIP.

THE DECISION WAS MADE JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO TO MERGE OPERATIONS OF THAT DEALERSHIP UNDER THE ROM CODE NAME.

AS SUCH, WE HAVE TO DO AWAY WITH THEIR GENERAL DEALER LICENSE AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT OUR GENERAL DEALER LICENSE IS APPROVED WITH THE STATE WITH BOTH THE WATER TRUCKS AND THE CEMENT TRUCKS. THIS IS NOT GOING TO RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN INVENTORY OR DISPLAY BECAUSE THESE ARE MAINLY GOING TO BE SPECIAL ORDER UNITS. SO THEY WILL BE SIMPLE, BROUGHT TO US, WE WILL GO AHEAD, COMMISSION THEM AND DELIVER THEM TO THE CUSTOMER. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: OKAY, VERY GOOD.

YOU COULD HAVE A SEAT. WE MAY CALL YOU BACK WITH SOME QUESTIONS, BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

FOR ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW. SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTER.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 21.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: COUNCIL MEMBER AXBERG.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE MOTION.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU.

I HAVE A MOTION BY SUTTER AND SECONDED BY AXBERG TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21, WHICH IS ACCORDINGLY. CASE NO. PLSUP 2026-104 ROMCO. SEEING NO OPPOSITION, THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. CONGRATULATIONS.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER 22. THIS IS A SCRIPTED MOTION AND AS SUCH, WE HAVE ASKED -- WE WILL MOVE JUST STRAIGHT TO MOTION.

I WILL COMMENT THAT DURING SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS, WE HAD QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO KEEP THIS TAX RATE THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST YEAR AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WILL HEAR IN THE MOTION.

SO THIS IS A SCRIPTED MOTION, SO I'LL ASK OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR COUNCIL MEMBER CARPENTER TO READ THE MOTION.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SET THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE FOR TAX YEAR 2026 AT 53.7 $0.05 PER $100 OF EVALUATION.

SETTING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPOSED TAX RATE IN THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET YEAR 2027 BUDGET ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDAS FOR 7 P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2026, AND -- PLACING CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND BUDGET ON CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA FOR 7 P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2026.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: OKAY. AND MAYOR PRO TEM PALOMO.

>> I SECOND IT. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: IT IS MOVED BY THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 22 SETTING THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE FOR THE PROPERTY TAX YEAR 2026 AND THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDAS COUNCIL MEETING AGENDAS FOR 7 FOR P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2026, AND PLACING CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED TAX -- RATE AND BUDGET ON CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA FOR 7 P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2026.

COUNCIL, AGAIN, AS WE DO EVERY YEAR, THIS IS THE CEILING THAT WE SET TONIGHT. SO WHEREVER WE GO WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS BETWEEN NOW AND THE FINAL ADOPTION, CANNOT

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SO I WILL CALL THE VOTE. AND THE MOTION PASSES

[PUBLIC FORUM]

I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE THIS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.

MY FIRST SPEAKER IS KENNETH [INDISTINCT].

IF YOU JUST WANT TO CORRECT MY PRONUNCIATION AT THE DAIS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT -- OR AT THE PODIUM.

>> MY NAME IS KENNETH AND I AM THE CHAIR OF A LIBERTARIAN PARTY. I LIVE IN PLANO.

FIRST OFF, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL AND STAFF FOR MAKING THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC.

IN FACT, IT WAS THROUGH THIS PORTAL THAT I WAS ABLE TO GO THROUGH AND FIND TWO ENTITIES THAT WERE QUITE OF INTEREST TO ME. ONE OF WHICH IS THE HARRIS COUNTY PRECINCT THREE COMMISSIONER.

THE OTHER IS THE FORT WORTH, TEXAS, CODE COMPLIANCE.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NEW TECHNOLOGY, WE'VE GOT NEW PROCESSES, WE HAVE JUST GOT A BRAND NEW PORTAL UP AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND SO MAYBE THERE IS SOME INSTANCES WHERE STAFF AND RESIDENTS ARE STILL LEARNING HOW TO INTERACT WITH SOME OF THIS. THERE'S PROBABLY SOME WHERE SOME POLICIES, TRAINING MATERIALS, DOCUMENTATION THAT ALSO PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED ON HOW TO GO THROUGH AND NAVIGATE SOME OF THIS. NOW HERE IS WHERE I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. I SUBMITTED TWO TEXAS PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT REQUESTS FOR THE AUDIT RECORDS BEHIND EACH ONE OF THOSE ENTITIES. HOW DID CARROLLTON POLICE DEPARTMENT GRANT THOSE TWO ENTITIES ACCESS? FOR ANYONE WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH IT PROCESS, HEALTH CARE, OTHERWISE SENSITIVE DATA, ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR ON MY TWO REQUESTS IS ACCESS CONTROL AUDIT TRAIL.

I'M LOOKING FOR THE REQUEST, THE AUTHORIZATION, PROVISIONING AND ACCESS. AND THIS IS FOR A SYSTEM THAT CONTAINS SENSITIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT INFORMATION.

I WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE IS SOME RECORD SOMEWHERE INDICATING HOW THESE ORGANIZATIONS GAINED ACCESS TO THE CARROLLTON POLICE DEPARTMENT [INDISTINCT] SYSTEM. WHERE I'M STUCK IS THE CITY HAS RETURNED MY REQUEST STATING THAT ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION IS NEEDED. ON THIS RETURN, THE CITY IS REQUESTING DATES, INDIVIDUALS, SEARCH TERMS, NAMES OF THE PEOPLE AND SPECIFIC DOCUMENTS THAT I AM REQUESTING.

THERE IS NO WAY FOR ME TO KNOW THIS.

I DON'T KNOW WHO GRANTED ACCESS, SO I CANNOT SAY II NEED TO SEE JOHN DOE'S ACCESS GRANTS. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE ACCESS WAS GRANTED. I CANNOT TELL YOU IT WAS BETWEEN THE LAST 90 DAYS. I HAVE TO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS TO EVEN ANSWER THE CITY'S QUESTION.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: I WILL GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS TO WRAP UP.

>> REAL QUICK. I WILL GO AHEAD AND TURN IN ALL OF THESE INTO RECORD SO THAT WAY YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND EASILY FIND THAT. THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND HUNT THEM DOWN OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT WE GO THROUGH AND FIGURE OUT WHY WE ARE STARTING TO RUN INTO THAT ALREADY WHEN WE JUST RELEASED THAT.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS MISS LORI FOSTER. AND AGAIN, YOU WILL HAVE

2 MINUTES. >> LORI FOSTER.

[INDISTINCT]. YOU KNOW I AM AN I.T. PERSON MYSELF. 45 YEARS.

I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS THAT OUR PUBLIC -- OUR PRIVATE INFORMATION IS BEING TRACKED.

THROUGH OUR PHONES, THROUGH OUR CREDIT CARD USE, THROUGH CAMERAS. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPANIES THAT USE CAMERAS FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS.

BUT IN THE CASE THAT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT WHICH IS FLOCK CAMERAS, NUMBER 1 WHEN THE CITY DECIDED TO USE FLOCK CAMERAS PEOPLE WERE REALLY NOT MADE AWARE OF IT THERE WAS NO PUBLIC INPUT AS FAR AS I'M AWARE WHAT THE CITIZENS FELT ABOUT THESE FLOCK CAMERAS. MY CONCERN IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE DATA BETWEEN THE DATA IS COLLECTED

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-- CARROLLTON USE OF FLOCK CAMERAS.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY NEXT SPEAKER IS LISA SPEAKING ON [INDISTINCT] THEY WILL HAVE .

>> THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LISA HOBART AND I AM THE MAYOR OF FALLEN FIRE MEMBER CAPTAIN HOBART.

HE PASSED AWAY IN OCTOBER OF 2020.

AND I HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH YOU MAYOR BABICK FOR QUITE A WHILE, OVER THREE YEARS. I'VE ASKED WE DO SOMETHING TO REMEMBER MY HUSBAND BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE WANTED TO DO IS JUST A STREET SIGN LIKE THE CITY OF SALINA DID FOR STEVE NORTHAM.

STEVE NORTHAM PASSED AWAY TWO YEARS AFTER MY HUSBAND.

SELENA QUICKLY JUMPED UP AND PUT A STREET SIGN THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO, I'M SORRY BUT I'VE BEEN GIVEN THE RUN AROUND AND PASSED FROM PERSON TO PERSON AND NOW REX [INDISTINCT] HAS BEEN CONTACTING ME ALTHOUGH IT'S BEEN SIX MONTHS NO ANSWERS FROM ANYONE I FEEL LIKE THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IF THAT'S THE CASE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT, ADDITIONALLY, I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR WIDOW'S BENEFITS BY MYSELF.

I REACHED OUT TO YOU CITY MANAGER YOU ARE ABLE TO HELP WITH WORKMAN'S COMP THE TIME LAPSE AND THE CASE HAS NOW CLOSED. I WAS FIGHTING FOR TMRS WHICH I AM NOW ON THE SECOND APPEAL ON MY OWN.

I DO HAVE LEGAL REPRESENTATION NOW.

MY HUSBAND WILL BE GONE SIX YEARS NEXT MONTH.

THIS IS AN ATROCITY. THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO FIGHT. I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND ASK YOU TO DO WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE.

I'M ASKING YOU, MAYOR BABICK, TO REMEMBER MY HUSBAND.

I WANT THE CITIZENS OF CARROLLTON TO SEE A STREET SIGN AND I WANT THEM TO STOP AND SAY, WHO WAS LEE HOLBERG?

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU MY NEXT SPEAKER IS ANTHONY [INDISTINCT].

THAT IS FINE ANTHONY, YOU WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. I'M ANTHONY I'M HERE AS A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN AND AS A FATHER AND ONE OF THE OVER 1 MILLION CARS THAT FLOCK HAS IDENTIFIED IN CARROLLTON.

I'M HERE TO VOICE MY DISSENT TOWARDS THE CONTRACT OF CARROLLTON AND FLOCK AND ANY OTHER LICENSE PLATE READING COMPANY WE MIGHT FUTURE HAVE CONTRACTS WITH.

I, MY FAMILY, MY NEIGHBORS, AND MY COMMUNITY HAVE ALL BEEN TRACKED BY THESE CAMERAS, AND IT'S AT THE COST OF OUR OWN TAX DOLLARS. THIS DOES NOT MAKE ME FEEL SAFER, FAR FROM IT. I FEEL THE ABILITY FOR BAD ACTORS TO SURVEIL ME COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF OFFICIAL LEGAL POLICE PROCEEDINGS. THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL -- EXCUSE ME. THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL OPERATED BY FLOCK TAKES GREAT CARE TO MENTION THAT THEY DON'T RECORD INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE THEIR RACE AND IT ONLY TRACKS VEHICLES AND THAT ACCESS IS AUDITED AND FURTHER, THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO SUCCESSFUL HACKS ON FLOCK.

I BELIEVE ALL OF THESE CLAIMS ARE A LOT MORE FRAGILE THAN THEY LET ON. THE VIDEOS THAT ARE RECORDED DO CONTAIN PEOPLE WITHIN THEM AND EVEN IF THINGS LIKE THEIR RACE ARE NOT BEING DELIBERATELY RECORDED, IT COULD STILL BE USED

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CAN EVEN IF POLICY TODAY DISALLOWS FREE FORM SEARCHES, THE VIDEO EXISTING AT ALL ALLOWS FOR THAT POLICY TO CHANGE AND FOR OTHER POLICIES LIKE IT TO FURTHER STRIP OUR RIGHTS BASED OFF OF THE VIDEO ALREADY BEING COLLECTED AND EVEN IF.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: I WILL GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS TO WRAP IT

UP. >> EVEN IF THE POLICY WERE SET IN STONE, THE VIDEO DOES ALSO ALLOW FOR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OUR LIVES EN MASSE, BECAUSE EVEN IF FLOCK HAS NOT FORMALLY RECOGNIZED ANY HACKS, THERE IS DOCUMENTED UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS THAT YOU COULD LOOK UP AND EVEN IF THERE WERE NOT, THAT CAN CHANGE AT ANY MOMENT. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECTLY UNHACKABLE SYSTEM, THE ONLY WAY TO PREVENT THAT RISK IS TO FULLY SAY NO FOR LPRS LIKE FLOCK.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU.

MY NEXT SPEAKER IS [INDISTINCT] LEE.

YOU WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES. >> SORRY.

THANK YOU MAYOR BABICK AND [INDISTINCT] REGARDING THE [INDISTINCT] PROGRAM AND HOW WE ARE USING THAT MONEY FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. IN THE FUTURE, IT WILL BE NICE TO SEE THAT WE ARE NOT JUST SCRAMBLING TO FIND PROJECTS TO FIT THAT SQUARE HOLE. AND FIND SOMETHING REALLY COOL TO DO WITH THAT MONEY THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ABOUT $24 MILLION.

FURTHERMORE, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND COUNCIL, THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH DART STIPULATES THAT THE CITY THAT THE CITY DO WHAT THEY CAN SECURE STATE LEVEL FUNDING TO PLUG THAT GAP THAT WILL BE CREATED IN THAT OPERATION'S BUDGET WHICH WILL BE $316 MILLION OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS IF THERE'S NOTHING TO FILL THAT GAP BY LATE 2027 THERE'S GOING TO BE SERVICE DISRUPTIONS THERE WILL BE SCHEDULED SHORTENINGS, WHATEVER THAT DART CAN DO IN ORDER TO KEEP OPERATIONS GOING. I THINK THAT THIS IS IMPERATIVE TO KEEP SERVICE GOING. THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW IF NOT EXPANDING IT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK THE CITY HAS A COMBINATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT AND THE TRANSIT SERVICES WITH THE NEW SILVER LINE COMING IN THAT IT'S JUST PUTTING THE COMBINATION OF THE THREE THAT WOULD TAKE US TO GREATER HEIGHTS WITHIN THE CITY AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT BEING NIPPED IN THE BUD BECAUSE OF THIS BUDGET SHORTFALL.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NEXT SPEAKER IS HALEY [INDISTINCT]. HALEY? VERY GOOD. IF I'VE MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME,

I APOLOGIZE. >> NOBODY GETS IT RIGHT, IT'S OKAY. MY NAME IS HALEY PEGGY.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE USE OF FLOCK CAMERAS LIKE SEVERAL OF MY OTHER ATTENDEES TONIGHT. ALSO THE USE OF THE CARROLLTON CITY'S USE OF DRONES. I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE DRONES THAT HAVE CAMERAS ARE BEING FLOWN OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE CAN SEE A FLIGHT PATH OF THEM.

ON YOUR WEBSITE. A LOT OF OUR HOUSES HERE IN CARROLLTON, ESPECIALLY THE OLDER ONES HAVE SKYLIGHTS.

HOW ARE WE TO KNOW AS RESIDENTS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A CITY DRONE LOOKING THROUGH OUR SKYLIGHTS INTO OUR HOUSES AT US? THAT IS A HUGE INFRACTION ON OUR PRIVACY.

WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO COVER OUR SKYLIGHTS.

THEY ARE, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, A REASON TO BUY A HOME.

SO THE IDEA OF HAVING TO COVER A SKYLIGHT SO THAT I CAN FEEL PRIVACY AND PEACE IN MY OWN HOME IS GROSS TO SAY THE LEAST.

SAME WITH FLOCK CAMERAS. HAVING FLOCK CAMERAS POINTED AT CHILDREN PLAYGROUNDS. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THERE ARE POLICE OFFICERS WHO HAVE BEEN ARRESTED FOR MISUSE OF FLOCK CAMERAS USING THEM TO WATCH CHILDREN.

OR TO STALK WOMEN. THAT IS NOT OKAY.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THE CITY OF CARROLLTON WOULD STAND BEHIND. I DON'T THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE.

I THINK WE HAVE A VERY LOVELY COMMUNITY.

I DON'T THINK THAT SPYING ON OUR NEIGHBORS, WHETHER THEY HAVE STUFF TO HIDE OR NOT, IS THE WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS.

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ADDING CAMERAS THAT TRACK PEOPLE THAT ARE HACKABLE AND THAT ALREADY HAVE A LEGACY OF VIOLENCE, STALKING, AND CHILD ASSAULT IS NOT THE ANSWER. AND I IMPLORE YOU TO PLEASE RECONSIDER THE USAGE OF FLOCK CAMERAS AND CITY DRONES BEING FLOWN OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: THANK YOU.

MY LAST CARD IS NISHA MOOREHEAD. GOING ONCE, ANISHA MOOREHEAD.

ON TARPLEY ROAD. GOING ONCE GOING TWICE.

ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS TO SPEAK.

IF ANYONE WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON ITEMS YOU MAY DO SO BY APPROACHING THE PODIUM NOW. YES.

>> APOLOGIES [INDISTINCT] >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: NO

WORRIES. >> THE LAST TIME I CAME HERE WAS WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING GEORGE BUSH.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: WELCOME BACK.

YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES. >> THANK YOU.

I HAVE SEVERAL PROPERTIES IN THE CITY OF CARROLLTON.

AND EVERY TIME A TENANT LEAVES, I HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING THE WATER SYSTEM TO GO BACK ON THE HOUSE WITHOUT PROVING THAT I OWN THE PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH THE CITY SENDS ME A REMINDER THAT I HAVE TO PAY $50 BECAUSE I OWN THE PROPERTY EVERY YEAR.

SO, I ALSO HAVE A PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF COLONY PARK AND EVERY TIME A TENANT LEAVES, THEY AUTOMATICALLY PUT THE BILL BACK ON ME WHICH I WOULD LIKE THE CITY OF CARROLLTON TO DO THE SAME. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHO TO TELL THAT TO.

>> IF YOU SEND THAT HERE WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY GETS BACK IN TOUCH WITH YOU. THANK YOU.

IF YOU JUST GIVE US THE NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES.

>> MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN HERNANDEZ.

I AM AT 2223 DANIEL WAY JUST DOWN THE STREET.

I'M HERE TO ASK THAT COUNCIL CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AS IT PERTAINS TO THE CITY'S PERSISTING FLOC ALPR CONTRACTS.

IT SEEMS THAT THROUGH LINE OF THE RESIDENTS TAKING THE TIME TO BE HERE IS THE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY.

TO QUOTE A MAYOR PRO TEM, PRIVACY IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD. AND I AGREE WITH HER THAT IT SHOULD BE. AND WE SHOULD CONSIDER THE -- THE LEVEL OF PRIVACY BEING VIOLATED WITH EVERY NEW CAMERA BEING PAID FOR SHOULD GET INPUT ON HOW CREEPY IT IS TO HAVE SOMEONE WATCHING YOUR EVERY MOVE AS YOU GO ABOUT YOUR DAY, AND SHOULD BE DILIGENT WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING ENDLESS AND NEEDLESS RISKS FOR LITIGATION AT EVERY CORNER OF OUR CITY.

WE DESERVE BETTER THAN CREEPY CAMERAS TO KEEP US SAFE AND -- REGRETTABLY NEITHER A 6-FOOT OR 8-FOOT WALL WOULD MAINTAIN OUR PRIVACY I WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNCIL RECOMMIT TO A CITY THAT IS SAFE AND WELCOMING BY ANY OF THESE CONTRACTS.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: ALL RIGHT. IF ANYONE WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL YOU MAY DO SO BY APPROACHING COUNCIL PODIUM NOW.

IN DOING SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.

AND IN DOING THAT COUNCIL, WE WILL ADJOURN AT 8:58 P.M.

WE WILL GO BACK INTO SESSION, OPEN SESSION FOLLOWED

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: ALL RIGHT COUNCIL WE WILL RECONVENE IN OUR OPEN SESSION TO FINISH UP OUR WORK ITEMS. THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 6. DISCUSS THE DALLAS COUNTY

SHERIFF MAGISTRATE CHALLENGES. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL KATIE BAUER DIRECTOR OF CUSTOMER SERVICE WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT SOME CHANGES WITH THE DALLAS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE REGARDING THE PROCESS.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW HIGH LEVEL FOR CONTEXT AS WE GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION OF WHAT HAPPENS FROM ARREST TO ARRAIGNMENT. THE FIRST STEP IS THAT A CARROLLTON OFFICER MAKES AN ARREST AN OFFICIAL IS BOOKED INTO A THEN WE HAVE ARREST WARRANT THAT'S OBTAINED AND WHAT WE HAVE IS THAT THE JUDGE SIGNING OFF THAT THAT WAS A LAWFUL ARREST THAT OCCURRED KIND OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES FOR THE PD AND [INDISTINCT]. AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE TRYING TO VERIFY WHAT LOCATION THAT OFFENSE HAPPENED IN AND WHAT ARE THE CHARGES THAT IS PARTICULARLY WITH REGARDS TO THEIR ARREST FROM THERE IF IT'S A COUNTY CHARGE THEY GET MOVED TO A COUNTY JAIL THEY ARE TRANSPORTED BY THE CARROLLTON JAIL OPERATIONS TO THE COUNTY JAIL. AND THEN THE COUNTY MAGISTRATES

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IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND. SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE 20TH OF APRIL THE DALLAS COUNTY SHERIFF NOTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT THEY WERE MAKING SOME CHANGES IN JAIL COME OCTOBER FIRST AND WITH THAT THEY WOULD NO LONGER ACCEPT ANYONE THAT HAD BEEN ARRAIGNED THE CITY HAS NOW HAD TO ADD -- HAD TO MAGISTRATE ALL THOSE INDIVIDUALS BEFORE THEY MAKE IT TO THE DALLAS COUNTY JAIL SPECIFICALLY.

THE SOLUTION THAT THEY PROVIDED TO US WE CAN CONTRACT WITH THEM BUT THE ARRAIGNMENTS WOULD COST [INDISTINCT].

SO NOW I WILL ASK JUDGE LYON TO GET A BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT THE REGISTRATION PROCESS HERE IN CARROLLTON.

>> GOOD EVENING, MEREDITH LYON PRESIDING MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT CARROLLTON AT LEAST IS A 15 YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN HERE AND MY FORMER -- MY COURT ADMINISTRATOR HAS BEEN HERE. WE HAVE NEVER MAGISTRATE DALLAS COUNTY INMATES SO AGAIN WE HAVE NEVER MAGISTRATE DALLAS COUNTY INMATES AND THAT WAS A DECISION THAT DALLAS COUNTY MADE BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, THEY BECAME UNHAPPY WITH THE BONDS THAT WERE BEING SET BY THEN CARROLLTON MAGISTRATE SO DALLAS COUNTY WAS THE ONE WHO CAME AND SAID NO WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THIS ANYMORE.

SO HAVE NOT BEEN DOING DALLAS COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME.

WE DID AT ONE POINT HANDLE ARRAIGNMENTS FOR [INDISTINCT] COUNTY OFFENSES AND [INDISTINCT] OFFENSES.

BACK IN 2019, A BILL WAS PASSED TO OVERHAUL THE BAIL SYSTEM HERE IN TEXAS. AS OF 2021, WE NOTIFIED THE TWO COUNTIES THAT WE WOULD NO LONGER BE PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES BECAUSE OF THESE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT THAT SENATE BILL SIX PLACED ON THE ARRAIGNING MAGISTRATES.

AND WE WILL USE THE TERMS OF ARRAIGNMENTS AND MAGISTRATES KIND OF INTERCHANGEABLY IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING, IT'S A PROCESS BY WHICH A DEFENDANT WAS BROUGHT IN FRONT OF A MAGISTRATE AND BOND IS SET. SO SENATE BILL SIX BASICALLY REQUIRED JUDGES TO DO MORE OF A DEEP DIVE INTO A DEFENDANT'S CRIMINAL BACKGROUND. IT ALSO, THE POINT OF ARRAIGNMENT ALSO TRIGGERS CONTINUING JURISDICTION FOR THE MAGISTRATE AND THE COURT THAT DOES THE ARRAIGNMENT.

SO LET ME KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENS.

LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A DEFENDANT WHO GETS ARRESTED ON A DWI SECOND CHARGE OR AN ASSAULT FAMILY VIOLENCE CHARGE.

THEIR SPECIFIC BOND CONDITIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR THOSE CHARGES.

THE CASE ITSELF TAKES ABOUT A YEAR SOMETIMES MORE TO ACTUALLY GET FILED WITH THE COUNTIES FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

DURING THAT TIME, THE MAGISTRATE AT THE COURT WHO SET THAT BOND MAINTAINS JURISDICTION OVER ANY CHANGES TO THE BOND CONDITIONS, ANYTHING PRETRIAL, AND THAT CREATES A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE COURT OPERATIONS FOR THOSE COURTS TO HANDLE THOSE CASES.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE IMPACTS ON JUDICIAL STAFFING. AND I WILL LET CHIEF HUMPHREY TALK TO THE IMPACTS ON THE CARROLLTON HOLDING FACILITY.

BUT THE POINT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HERE IS THAT THESE ARE COUNTY CASES. THEY'RE ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE FILED IN COUNTY COURTS, PROSECUTED BY COUNTY ATTORNEYS, HEARD IN FRONT OF COUNTY JUDGES. SOME MUNICIPALITIES PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE HEARING THESE THINGS, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT SOME DON'T, THERE ARE MANY MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THAT DO HEAR IT OR DO DO MAGISTRATE, IT'S JUST KIND OF DEPENDENT ON THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES SO THAT'S THAT.

SO THE NEXT ONE, THE SOLUTION WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO IS TO MAKE THIS WORK BECAUSE WE CANNOT ABSORB THESE DUTIES THAT DALLAS COUNTY IS ASKING US TO ABSORB WITH CURRENT STAFFING.

AS YOU KNOW, I'M THE ONLY FULL TIME JUDGE.

I'VE GOT TWO PART TIME JUDGES WHO WORK FOR ME AND WE HAVE CONTRACTS ON CONTRACT MAGISTRATES THAT WORK ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS. TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN TO MAKE THIS

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AT THIS POINT I WOULD TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF HUMPHREY.

>> I HAVE QUESTIONS. >> I AM SORRY.

>> DOESN'T THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WORK FOR DALLAS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, WAS THIS A DIRECTOR FROM DALLAS COUNTY'S MOTION OF COURT OR IT

DID NOT. >> THIS IS THE SHERIFF LET US GET THROUGH THIS AND THEN WE WILL KIND OF GIVE SOME COMMENTS WE ARE JUST BRIEFING YOU ON WHAT THE SHERIFF HAS EFFECTIVELY

INSTRUCTED. >> I HAVE THE WRONG PERSON THE DALLAS SHERIFF HAS DIRECTED A CHANGE AND THE CHANGE WILL BE A FEE PER ARRANGEMENT THE FEE PER ARRANGEMENT IF WE CONTINUE TO TAKE THEM DOWN AND THAT IS FOR HOWEVER MANY WE CONTINUE TO -- PER MONTH -- PER MONTH THAT THEY WOULD BE BILLING US FOR.

OR, WE DO IT AT THEIR REQUEST AND THAT'S THE OPTION FOR IT.

>> CAN I ASK A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT WE WILL HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ABOUT THIS AND WE COULD REALLY ANSWER SOME MORE QUESTIONS AROUND LEGAL STRATEGIES RIGHT NOW WE ARE JUST

BRIEFING ON THE DIRECTIVE. >> ONE QUESTION.

SO WHEN YOU SAY WE MAGISTRATE AND HAVE TO CONTROL IS THAT ONLY UNTIL THE GRAND JURY OR IS IT PAST THE GRAND JURY WHO MAY CHANGE THAT FROM A FELONY TO A MISDEMEANOR AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT ARE WE PUTTING IT ALL THE WAY TO SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN

CHANGED. >> WE WILL CARRY IT ALL THE WAY TILL THE ACTUAL CASES FILED AND ACCEPTED WITH THE COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND SO FILING THE CASES IS ONE THING. HAVING THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ACCEPT IT FOR PROSECUTION IS A WHOLE NOTHER THING SO IT'S AT THAT POINT WHEN THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ACCEPTS THE CHARGE THAT WE WOULD REMAIN ON THE HOOK FOR ANYTHING, BOND CONDITIONS,

THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO WE WOULD BE HOLDING THE M8 UNTIL THEN?

>> NO. -- HOLDING THE INMATE UNTIL

THEN? >> NO.

I WOULD LET CHIEF HUMPHRIES SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THE INTENT IS NOT TO TURN US INTO A HOUSING FACILITY.

THE JAIL IS ONLY A HOLDING FACILITY.

>> COULD YOU GIVE US A PERSPECTIVE OF HOW MANY OF THESE CASES YOU GET [INDISTINCT] STAND ALONE?

>> I WILL LET CHIEF HUMPHREY ADDRESS THAT.

>> GOOD EVENING, CHIEF HUMPHREY ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE ARE LOOKING ON AVERAGE 1500 PRISONERS ARE TRANSFERRED IN DALLAS COUNTY.

WE LOOK AT ABOUT 750 IN [INDISTINCT] COUNTY AND LOW

DOUBLE DIGITS FOR [INDISTINCT]. >> OKAY.

750 A YEAR. >> I CAME WITH -- CAME UP WITH IF WE DO 1500 TRANSFER TO DALLAS COUNTY --

>> HE'S GIVEN THE MATH, GO AHEAD.

>> 567 IS A HUNDRED AND $50,000. NOW, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN CLARIFICATION UNLESS OUR JUDGE HAS IF THAT ADMINISTRATION FEE IS PER DEFENDANT, OR PER CHARGE. AS YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE CHARGE PEOPLE WHERE THERE COULD BE TWO OR THREE CHARGES PER PERSON IF WE WERE TO SPITBALL AT THE 1800 MAGISTRATE BECAUSE THE CHARGES

WE LOOK AT. >> $1 MILLION FOR DALLAS AND IF THE OTHERS FOLLOW SUIT IT'S ABOUT HALF THAT FOR DENTON COUNTY AND MAYBE A QUARTER OF THAT FOR [INDISTINCT]

>> VERY, VERY LITTLE FOR [INDISTINCT]

>> I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE WOULD DALLAS COUNTY APPROVE ANY

OF THE BUDGET? >> AGAIN, THIS IS NEW.

THIS IS NOT LAW THIS IS A SHERIFF THAT HAS MADE THIS DECISION. THAT HAS NOT BEEN LEGISLATED BY THE DALLAS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT HAS NOT BEEN LEGISLATED BY THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE. THIS IS THE INSTRUCTION THAT THEY ARE GOING THEY HAVE GIVEN TO OUR CITIES.

BRIEFING COUNSEL FOR THAT EXPOSURE, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME THINGS AND THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WE WILL SPEAK TO.

>> LET'S KEEP GOING WITH THIS ONE.

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>> MOVING ON TO WHAT IS THIS IMPACT GOING TO HAVE ON THE DETENTION CENTER. SO ONE OF THE THINGS, AND IT WAS KIND OF BROUGHT UP EARLIER THAT WE NEED TO CLARIFY FOR SURE.

WE ARE ONLY A HOLDING FACILITY. A TEMPORARY HOLDING FACILITY.

SO OUR TIME LIMIT IS 49 HOURS. WE ARE NOT A CERTIFIED JAIL THAT CAN HOUSE PEOPLE. THERE IS A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WE'D HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED IN IN ORDER TO DO THAT AND WE ARE HOLDING FACILITY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE EVER BEEN A CERTIFIED JAIL.

DALLAS COUNTY DALLAS COUNTY ARE BOTH CERTIFIED JAILS AND THEY ARE BOTH REQUIREMENTS. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO SOLUTIONS HERE. ONE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SECURE THE OTHER ONE'S A BIT MORE SPEEDY IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH THE COORDINATION, THE FIRST OPTION A BIT MORE SECURE IS A MATTER OF SIX PART TIME DETENTION OFFICERS.

YOU COULD SEE WHAT THAT WOULD COST JUST UNDER 190,000 ANNUAL AND ADDITIONAL TRANSPORT VAN. TO GO THROUGH JUST A BIT OF LOGISTICS ON THIS FOR DALLAS COUNTY AND DENTON COUNTY.

AFTER WE MAKE ARRESTS, THEY NEED TO BE TRANSPORTED TO THE DALLAS COUNTY AND DENTON COUNTY WITHIN 48 HOURS.

SO THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS THAT WE ARE TAKING PEOPLE. 81 IS AT THE PERIPHERY OF DENTON COUNTY. THE PERIPHERY OF COLLIN COUNTY AND DALLAS COUNTY. SO WE ARE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF ALL THREE. WE ARE NOT REALLY CLOSE TO THESE FACILITIES. TRANSPORT TAKES TIME IT'S A COORDINATED PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF.

WITH THIS, WE WOULD ALSO BE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL JL VAN.

WE HAVE ONE TRANSPORT VAN RIGHT NOW FOR DETENTION.

IT TOOK US A WHILE TO GET THAT AND WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF IT AND IT IS VERY, VERY USEFUL. IF WE ARE NOT CAREFUL WITH OUR SCHEDULING, WE NEED A SECOND VAN.

WANT TO GO TO DALLAS COUNTY ONE TO GO TO DENTON COUNTY.

THE OBVIOUS QUESTION IS WHY CAN'T YOU DO DALLAS COUNTY AND THEN DO DENTON COUNTY WITH THE SAME VAN.

WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE TIME.

WE DO OUR TRANSPORTS DURING THE DAY DURING THE DAYLIGHT HOURS FOR SOME SAFETY REASONS AND ALSO LOGISTICAL REASONS.

AND IF WE DON'T GET MOVING TO DALLAS COUNTY WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, WE GET STUCK BEHIND SOME OTHER CHAIN GANGS FROM OTHER CITIES AND IT COULD PUSH OUR DETENTION STAFF TO DO A TRANSFER IF WE DON'T GET FOR -- THERE BEFORE EARLY NOON ONE OR 2:00 THAT'S AN EXTREME CASE BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE SEEN.

SO WE HAVE TO PLAY THE TIMING VERY CAREFULLY.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE SAFEST OPTION MOVING TO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS EXPENSIVE WOULD BE TO HIRE JUST TWO FULL TIME DETENTION OFFICERS, ONE FOR EACH OF OUR DAY SHIFTS. BUT WHY THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE RISKY IS BECAUSE OF THAT COORDINATION PICK WE'LL BE ASKING FOR A MUNICIPAL JUDGE OR REPRESENTATIVES TO COME IN AND SIGN DENTON COUNTY WARRANTS ARE CHARGING INSTRUMENTS AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE IN THE MORNING BETWEEN SIX AND 7:00 A.M. SO WE COULD GET THAT TRANSPORT VAN GOING TO DENTON BY THE TIME HE GETS BACK FROM DENTON THE MAGISTRATE PROCESS IS COMPLETED FOR THE DALLAS COUNTY PRISONERS THEN THEY COULD TAKE THE VAN TO DALLAS COUNTY AS YOU COULD TELL THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT COULD COME UP IN THIS PLAN BUT WITH COORDINATION WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT PLAN -- THAT HAPPEN AND THAT'S FOR THE [INDISTINCT] USING ONLY ONE VAN. CURRENTLY, DENTON COUNTY DOES NOT COME TO PICK UP PRISONERS AND SOME MAY QUESTION WHAT ABOUT THE COUNTIES COMING TO PICK UP PRISONERS FOR US? DENTON COUNTY DOES NOT COME TO CARROLLTON TO PICK UP PRISONERS.

COLLIN COUNTY IS VERY RARE, BUT THEY WILL COME.

BUT AGAIN, THEY ARE THE LEAST IMPACT.

DALLAS COUNTY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO COME PICK UP THE PRISONERS, BUT THEY DO NOT REGULARLY DO IT. WHILE THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY UP TO CARROLLTON THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY FILLED UP THEIR VAN TO STOP BY TO PICK UP PRISONERS THE FACT IS IT IS VERY SPOTTY THAT PUTS US IN POSITION IF WE TRY AND MAKE THIS COORDINATED EFFORT, THE UNPREDICTABILITY IS THAT TRANSPORT VAN IS NOT GOING TO COME THAT'S THE IMPACT ON US FOR OUR DETENTION I THINK THAT'S THE END OF MY PART OF THE PRESENTATION.

>> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: ARE THERE ANY OTHER SLIDES FROM

ANYONE ELSE? >> IT'LL BE A QUICK ONE FOR YOU TO SEE OPTIONS AND BE SIDE BY SIDE HERE SO NOTHING REALLY TO

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OTHER WITH COSTS. >> AND THAT INCLUDES MAGISTRATE

COSTS. >> YES, WHICH DOESN'T CHANGE FROM OPTION A TO B, IT'S ONLY JAIL OPERATIONS.

>> AGAIN, THIS CHANGE THAT EDICT BY THE SHERIFF POTENTIALLY INCREASES OUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR AND BEYOND WHETHER THOSE VALUES WE ARE NOT MAKING DECISIONS ON THIS TONIGHT SO THIS IS JUST A BRIEFING OF WHAT IS COMMUNICATED FROM THE

SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. >> NANCY?

>> I'M NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A SEVEN DAY

A WEEK PROCESS AT 5:00 A.M.? >> YES, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE DAY POLICE OFFICERS ARE OUT THERE 24 HOURS A DAY FOR THE VENDORS MAKING ARREST FOR 365 DAYS A YEAR FOR A TEMPORARY HOLDING FACILITY IS OPEN EVERY DAY EVERY MINUTE.

>> AND IS THERE CAPACITY? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WE DO HAVE CAPACITY. BUT WE ARE NOT WANTING TO EVEN LEANING TOWARDS HOLDING PEOPLE TOWARDS WHAT THE LAW SAID SO 48 HOURS IS A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND FOR AN ARREST E.

AND WE DO TRANSPORT TO THE APPROPRIATE COUNTY.

>> I WOULD KIND OF ADD ON TO THAT.

I THINK WITH OUR CURRENT PROCESS WE ARE PROBABLY GETTING PEOPLE OUT A LOT SOONER THAN 48 HOURS WITH HOW WE ARE OPERATING OUT -- NOW. IS USUALLY WITHIN 24, MAYBE 30.

>> BUT OUR CAPACITY WAS NOT DESIGNED TO BE HOLDING LONGER THAN 48 HOURS. WHEN WE DO OUR CAPACITY PLANNING WHAT WE HAVE OVER THERE IT WAS BASED IN THE CURRENT RULES.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THE FULL TIME DETENTION OFFICERS, DOES THAT AMOUNT INCLUDE THE BENEFITS, HAVE YOU

CALCULATED THOSE? >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW? NO DECISION TONIGHT.

AGAIN, WHEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION IT WILL COME TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL DECISION. THIS IS AN OPTION A, OPTION B AND OF COURSE AN OPTION C IS THE MILLION DOLLAR OPTION TWO POTENTIALLY EXPOSE US WITH THE SHERIFF BUILDINGS.

>> YOU SAID WOULD WE TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION,

IS THAT TONIGHT? >> YES, IT IS.

>> AND AGAIN, WE WILL BE ADDRESSING LEGAL STRATEGY QUESTIONS. SO IF YOU HAVE AN INFORMATIVE

QUESTION YOU MAY WANT TO. >> I GUESS THE POINT IN ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS IS THOSE ARE RECURRING COSTS THOSE ARE NOT

ONE TIME COSTS. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. >> WHETHER IT'S A MILLION, WHETHER IT'S A 500, OR THE 364, ALL OF THEM.

>> [INDISTINCT] >> ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL WITH THAT

-- >> WOULD YOU WANT TO DO

INFORMATION SHARING? >> I WILL DO IT RIGHT NOW.

I'LL MOVE IT RIGHT NOW. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM SEVEN, INFORMATION SHARING. I WILL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER

FLEMING. >> [INDISTINCT].

I DON'T HAVE MUCH. I WILL SAY I WOULD GO BACK TO THE LAST WEEKEND IN JUNE BECAUSE I MISSED A MEETING I HAD THE PLEASURE OF ATTENDING NORTHSIDE BAPTIST CHURCH THE PASTOR AND HIS WIFE WERE CELEBRATING 40 YEARS AND THE MINISTER.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT JOB THE PASTOR'S SON GOT UP AND TALKED ABOUT HIS FATHER AND HIS YEARS OF SERVICE WHICH WAS TOUCHING. 40 YEARS.

MY BIOLOGICAL FATHER IS A PASTOR AND HE JUST CELEBRATED 47 YEARS AND SO I CONNECTED WITH THAT. BUT REAL NICE TO SEE THE CHURCH COMING TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE. ALSO, HEARING THE ASSOCIATE PASTOR THAT WAS THERE HE REALLY TALKED CANDIDLY ABOUT HOW THE PASTOR WAS VERY STRONG IN HIS LIFE AND HIS EARLY MINISTERING.

SO FOR ME, IT WAS 1986 AND I WAS JUST GRADUATING GOING OFF TO COLLEGE. SO WE HAD 40 YEARS AFTER I CELEBRATE MY 40 YEAR HIGH SCHOOL REUNION THIS YEAR SO IT ALL KIND OF COINCIDED. THIS LAST WEEKEND, I ATTENDED, LAST WEEK I ATTENDED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SUMMIT THAT

WAS OVER AT. >> MARRIOTT.

>> MARRIOTT AND FOR DEVELOPMENT, I THOUGHT THEY ALL DID A GREAT JOB, IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I

HAVE THERE. >> VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER AXBERG.

>> NOTHING FROM ME, MAYOR. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: COUNCIL

MEMBER CLINE. >> I ENJOYED THE SUMMIT.

I MISSED THE FIRST PART WELL, EXCUSES.

BUT THE BACK TO SCHOOL EVENTS WERE VERY INTERESTING.

I HAD NOT BEEN WITH THE LIC1 BEFORE AND IT WAS INCREDIBLY

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BUT LAST FRIDAY, I SPOKE TO THE DALLAS REGIONAL MOBILITY COALITION AND TALKED TO US ABOUT WHAT HE SEES COMING UP WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND THE MAIN POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT FIVE OUT OF THE NINE SENATORS ON THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE ARE FROM NORTH TEXAS. WHAT WE CONTINUE TO SEE IS MONEY FOR TRANSPORTATION ALL GOING TO AUSTIN SAN ANTONIO AND HOUSTON WHEREAS DALLAS HAS A LOT OF EFFORT PUTTING IN TOLLED ROADS AND WE GET THAT GENERATION BACK AND THAT'S HOW 35 IS BEING PAID FOR. WE DON'T PRIORITIZE WITH THE STATE, SO WE ARE TRYING TO RAISE OUR VOICE AND NORTHWEST POINT IS NOW IS THE TIME. SO BRANT [INDISTINCT], NATHAN JOHNSON, TAN PARKER. -- TAN IS THE CHAIR AND [INDISTINCT] IS THE CO-CHAIR AND HE SAID WE CANNOT MISS THIS

OPPORTUNITY. >> GOOD REMINDER, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. OF COURSE THE CHAIR OF THE [INDISTINCT] REGIONAL MOBILITY COALITION SO APPRECIATE THAT INSIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTER.

>> I WENT TO THE CFB ISC SCHOOL SUPPLIES KICK OFF.

AND IT WAS WELL ATTENDED. EVERYTHING WAS PACKED.

I THINK THEY GAVE SHOTS OUT AND A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED.

IT WAS MY FIRST ONE. OF COURSE, GOING TO A PRIVATE FIRST CLASS GONZALES MEMORIAL, I THINK MOST OF US WERE THERE.

BETH KICK OFF FOR HER JOB FAIR. THEY BOAST OF 270 COMPANIES AND 60,000 POTENTIAL JOB HIRES SO THAT WAS PRETTY NEAT.

AND THEN THE AMERICAN PAKISTAN RECEPTION FOR NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT IT WAS NOT ALL NEWLY ELECTED, BUT THEN I DID A PNC WORKSHOP CLASS FRIDAY TO LEARN AGAIN ABOUT PNC -- LEARN AGAIN ABOUT PNZ AND THEN THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL FOR MY GREAT GRANDDAUGHTER AND THAT WAS AMAZING.

IT WENT WELL. >> MAYOR STEVE BABICK: EXCELLENT. COUNCIL MEMBER WATTERS.

>> THE BACK TO SCHOOLS ARE FABULOUS.

ALL OF THEM. WE NEED MORE OF THEM BECAUSE THERE IS A NEED FOR IT. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE ECONOMIC FORUM BECAUSE IT'S VERY RELEVANT FOR THE CITIES TO COME AND LEARN WHAT IS HAPPENING, SPECIFICALLY NOW. AND INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED AND I SAW THE FLIER HERE, IT'S IRRELEVANT AND HOW USEFUL THE INFORMATION IS. THAT'S IT.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AND [INDISTINCT]

>> CARPENTER. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

LAST NIGHT, I ATTENDED THE LIC BOARD MEETING WHERE THEY HONORED PRIVATE FIRST CLASS ISABELLA GONZALEZ THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB HERE OF COURSE SHE ATTENDED ABRAHAM HIGH SCHOOL HERE IN CARROLLTON. THE ISD DID A FANTASTIC JOB AND I APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DID AND SAID FOR THE FAMILY.

AND ALSO, THEIR SCHOOLS START WEDNESDAY, IS THAT TOMORROW? I'VE LOST TRACK. SO SCHOOL ZONES ARE IN FULL

FORCE ALL ACROSS THE CITY. >> I WAS THERE TODAY.

>> IF YOU'RE OUT DRIVING YOU WILL SEE THAT.

THEN I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY MENTION THE WOOD LAKE LAKE RIBBON CUTTING WAS FANTASTIC.

IT WAS TOASTY. BUT IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THE KAYAKERS OUT THERE ON WOOD LAKE LAKE AND IT'S EXCITING TO SEE AN AMENITY LIKE THAT COMING INTO OUR CITY.

>> VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM PALOMO.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WAS LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR AND WE MET THREE WEEKS AGO, SO IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE WHILE.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MAKE UP FOR IT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

BUT SINCE THEN, WE HAD A GREAT COUNCIL TREAT.

I WOULD SAY WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION, SO THANK YOU FOR STAFF FOR PUTTING ALL THAT TOGETHER AND FOR THE GREAT PRESENTATIONS, FOR US TO THANK ON.

AND THEN I WAS ALSO ABLE TO GO TO THE MAKE IT COUNT KICKS FOR KIDS LUNCHEON WHICH WAS ALSO WONDERFUL TO SEE THE KIDS EARN THEIR FAVORITE PAIR OF BACK TO SCHOOL SHOES, SO IT'S ALWAYS REALLY GOOD. IT'S A NICE EVENT.

AND I WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TO ANY OF THE BACK TO SCHOOL EVENTS. I WAS A LITTLE OVERWHELMED AND OVERTAKEN BY THE SERVICES FOR PRIVATE FIRST CLASS ISABELLA GONZALEZ AND GETTING TO KNOW HER FAMILY, THEY BECAME MY FAMILY.

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WITH THAT, I ALSO ATTENDED THE JOB FAIR.

I DID NOT GET TO SEE ANYONE ELSE THERE, BUT I SAW TONS OF JOB APPLICANTS AND LOTS OF ACTIVITY. I SAW SOME OF OUR VERY OWN FROM FIVE STAR FORD AND ALSO FROM THE CITY OF CARROLLTON WE HAD SEVERAL TABLES FOR THE CITY OF CARROLLTON THERE AND OF COURSE OUR PD. I THINK IT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS.

I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF VISIBILITY AND A LOT OF EXPOSURE FOR PEOPLE LOOKING FOR JOBS. I ALSO GOT TO THE WOODLAKE RIBBON CUTTING WHICH WAS TOASTY AS OTHERS HAVE SAID.

BUT IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL EVENT AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO TRYING TO -- TRYING A KAYAK OUT MAYBE. I DON'T FLIP OVER IN THE WATER.

>> WE STILL HAVE DEEP WATER RESCUE OPERATIONS.

[LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> GOOD JOB. >> GREAT UPDATE.

SO I THINK MOST EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SAID.

A FEW THAT HAVE NOT. WE HAD FIRST OFF THE THREE OF US MET WITH [INDISTINCT] AS WE MEET ANNUALLY TO SEE WHAT HIS PLANS ARE AND HE'S LOOKING TO CONTINUE TO DO SOME INVESTMENTS IN CARROLLTON. HE'S GOT A PRO DEALERSHIP THAT HE'S LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING WITH.

WHETHER IT'S HERE OR IN THE GENERAL VICINITY, THAT'S TO BE

DETERMINED. >> WHAT DEALERSHIP?

>> A DEALERSHIP IT'S ONE OF A VERY SELECT GROUP AND HE IS LOOKING TO OPEN UP A FORD PRO PRO DEALERSHIP.

SO IT'S A HIGH END. >> NICE.

>> YES. IT MAY NOT END UP BEING HERE JUST BASED ON A GAIN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT FOOTPRINT OF LAND ANYWAY, BUT HE SHARES HIS IDEA.

HE SHARES WITH US WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH HIM AND WE SHARE WITH HIM WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH US.

[INDISTINCT] WOMEN IN BUSINESS SO THE CHAMBER AND METRO CREST SERVICES HELD A WOMEN IN BUSINESS SERVICES SESSION THAT WAS NOT MENTIONED. A LOT OF BACK TO SCHOOL ACTIVITIES LIKE YOU ALL HAVE MENTIONED.

AND THEN OF COURSE, OUR CELEBRATION OR MEMORIALS FOR PRIVATE ISABELLA ON SO MANY DIFFERENT FRONTS.

SO I ECHO THE COMMENTS MADE FOR ALL OF THOSE AND IN PARTICULAR, THE AMERICAN LEGION FOR BEING THERE TO DATE AND THEN BEING THERE AS WE LOOK FORWARD FOR THE WEEKS AND MONTHS TO COME.

FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, ANYTHING FROM YOUR END, CHLOE?

HOW ABOUT YOURSELF? >> I WILL POINT OUT WE HAVE A FESTIVAL ON THE [INDISTINCT]. IF YOU WANT TO COME IN AND SHARE THAT WITH US. COME ON IN HERE.

>> THE POSTER HERE. >> TELL US ABOUT IT.

>> MARKETING DIRECTOR. WE THOUGHT I WOULD SWITCH OUR POSTERS UP. IT WAS ANNOUNCED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IT WILL OPEN NOVEMBER SEVENTH, SATURDAY.

THE FIRST SATURDAY IN NOVEMBER AND TOAD THE WET SPROCKET, EVE SIX AND WHEATUS AND THE ENTIRE LINEUP ALL DAY OF BANDS.

YOU CAN CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE AND GET ALL THE DETAILS.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL WITH THAT, THAT WILL CLOSE OUT OUR NORMAL AGENDA. WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO I WILL READ US IN. COUNCIL WILL CONVENE FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION IN TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE [INDISTINCT] FOR PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT DEPENDING ON CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION AND INCLUDING ALL MATTERS ON THIS AGENDA TO WHICH THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS A DUTY TO THE GOVERNMENT BODY AND TO THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT REGARDING CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL SECTION

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